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2023 NFL MVP race (3 Viewers)

Lamar is winning because of his defense and his stats aren't that great. The same argument kept Brady out of mvp.

hurts was the clear number one and still has an 11-3 record but they lost 3 in a row. His stats are arguably the best - 35 total touchdowns leads the NFL.

Purdy is surrounded by so much talent that people questioned whether it was him or them. He was starting to get credit then had the 4 turnover game vs Baltimore

dak looked to be roaring back into the race after beating hurts and the eagles then they lost back to back games against Miami and Buffalo

tyreek looked like he had a chance to break 2000 yards but he'd need a gimmick like that to win mvp over a quarterback.

McCaffrey deserves a ton of credit for how he's played but he suffersfrom the so much talent argument had Purdy does

With so many contenders having late season swoons, I don't think the voters have cast a single early ballot among them. They will wait and see.

One name i haven't seen much is Goff. They're tied for first in the nfc. They play Dallas this week with a chance to move into first. They finish with the commanders which should be an easy win and a chance to pad his stats.

He's third in passing yards with 3984. First is tua with 4200, second is Brock with 4050. He only has 10 interceptions, better than Purdy (11) but worse than dak (7). He's tied for third in passing touchdowns with 27. Dak has 30, Purdy has 29. Allen and Jordan love also have 27 and mahomes 26. Hurts has 20 but it's the 15 rushing touchdowns that put him up top.

If Goff wins this week it would be a signature late season win for a team that announced its presence by beating the chiefs on the NFL opener and would be going into the playoffs on a 4 game win streak.

The 49ers finish the season vs the red hot Rams and division games can easily go sideways.

Meanwhile if the Ravens lose to the dolphins this week or the steelers next week, they'd be tied with the lions for record.

Goff is currently +15000 on fanduel sports book. It's basically a 4 game parlay where you get 150x your money if the lions beat the cowboys and commanders, the Rams beat the 49ers and the dolphins beat the Ravens. I Might put one unit on Goff and 3 on hurts and bet the money lines on the Ravens beating the dolphins and the cowboys beating the lions as a hedge. If they both lose then the 49ers Rams game could give Purdy or McCaffrey the lead so I'd consider hedging that too I guess.

But 150x odds... that's got to be worth a look right? And 40x for hurts?
Josh Allen leads the nfl in total touchdowns with 40, not hurts with 35.

Hurts also has 11 tush push touchdowns, I think that definitely should play a factor.

To Lamar, he's not top 5 in any advanced metrics I've seen. Epa qbr etc

His candidacy is based on his team's record which is silly.
I stand corrected. The bills are 9-6 and have a chance to get to 10 wins and a playoff berth. They should do it this week but they play the Patriots and bills to finish the season and the Patriots already beat them once. If the bills miss the playoffs it will be because they lost to a lot of bad teams. But maybe Allen has done enough to get mvp
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
 
It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.

guess that's what happens when you force feed the award to a non-deserving position (this season, anyways).
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
 
scrambling to justify which qb "desevres" and award they have no business winning, when guys like tyreek, CMC, myles G etc are sitting there and very deserving

i dunno man, is it so hard for the league to just do the CORRECT thing?
It's 50 national media members.

And they get all worked up over the word 'valuable' which can always be a QB, so Tyreek or CMC are longshots.

They should call it Most Outstanding Player or something, so these dweebs can stop making votes based on semantics arguments.
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
Even though the 49ers had the turnovers and gave the ravens some very short fields (not including all the penalties as well) the 49ers and Purdy still had more offense than the Ravens as well
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
We really gonna act like the Ravens didn’t take their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter skewing the final stats? Baltimore threw 2 passes in the 4th and gained 25 total yards since they were in complete control. They had 318 yards of offense in 3 quarters. Outgained the Niners 318-260 to the point they went up 3 scores late in the 3rd and then it was 169-25 for the Niners after that. This is kind of my point about Lamar’s total stats- the Ravens offense has similarly shut it down several times this year. He was spectacular for most of the game, easily the best player on the field but his final stats won’t reflect his level of dominance.
 
After reading every post and every word on this thread I can sum it up for those not wanting to take the time. The Chase for the MVP award is wide open. You have 7 guys that can be at least kinda in the discussion. I have a really short memory, but I can't remember a time where the award was this wide open.
 
After reading every post and every word on this thread I can sum it up for those not wanting to take the time. The Chase for the MVP award is wide open. You have 7 guys that can be at least kinda in the discussion. I have a really short memory, but I can't remember a time where the award was this wide open.

Not only is it wide open - outside of CMC and HIll - it's quite clear (when you aren't listening to the homers) that no one else really deserves it
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
We really gonna act like the Ravens didn’t take their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter skewing the final stats? Baltimore threw 2 passes in the 4th and gained 25 total yards since they were in complete control. They had 318 yards of offense in 3 quarters. Outgained the Niners 318-260 to the point they went up 3 scores late in the 3rd and then it was 169-25 for the Niners after that. This is kind of my point about Lamar’s total stats- the Ravens offense has similarly shut it down several times this year. He was spectacular for most of the game, easily the best player on the field but his final stats won’t reflect his level of dominance.
I have a hard time saying someone was the best player on the field in a game where he ran backwards into the end zone on a play from his own 20 and then got flagged for grounding resulting in a safety for the other team. Great quarterbacks know that you don't do that.
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
We really gonna act like the Ravens didn’t take their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter skewing the final stats? Baltimore threw 2 passes in the 4th and gained 25 total yards since they were in complete control. They had 318 yards of offense in 3 quarters. Outgained the Niners 318-260 to the point they went up 3 scores late in the 3rd and then it was 169-25 for the Niners after that. This is kind of my point about Lamar’s total stats- the Ravens offense has similarly shut it down several times this year. He was spectacular for most of the game, easily the best player on the field but his final stats won’t reflect his level of dominance.
I have a hard time saying someone was the best player on the field in a game where he ran backwards into the end zone on a play from his own 20 and then got flagged for grounding resulting in a safety for the other team. Great quarterbacks know that you don't do that.
Lol ok. To each their own I guess.
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
We really gonna act like the Ravens didn’t take their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter skewing the final stats? Baltimore threw 2 passes in the 4th and gained 25 total yards since they were in complete control. They had 318 yards of offense in 3 quarters. Outgained the Niners 318-260 to the point they went up 3 scores late in the 3rd and then it was 169-25 for the Niners after that. This is kind of my point about Lamar’s total stats- the Ravens offense has similarly shut it down several times this year. He was spectacular for most of the game, easily the best player on the field but his final stats won’t reflect his level of dominance.
You don't think the 49ers have been shutting it down?

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Massive number of blowouts.
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
We really gonna act like the Ravens didn’t take their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter skewing the final stats? Baltimore threw 2 passes in the 4th and gained 25 total yards since they were in complete control. They had 318 yards of offense in 3 quarters. Outgained the Niners 318-260 to the point they went up 3 scores late in the 3rd and then it was 169-25 for the Niners after that. This is kind of my point about Lamar’s total stats- the Ravens offense has similarly shut it down several times this year. He was spectacular for most of the game, easily the best player on the field but his final stats won’t reflect his level of dominance.
You don't think the 49ers have been shutting it down?

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Massive number of blowouts.
I’d expect many blowouts as the team with the best point differential in football, I’ve never argued otherwise and was speaking only on Lamar since I watch the Ravens every week. However, these are their splits by half:

1st half Lamar- 181/265 2115 11 td 4 int
2nd half Lamar- 107/164 1235 8 td 3 int

1st half Purdy- 162/235 1983 13 td 5 int
2nd half Purdy- 124/181 2067 16 td 7 int

Make of that what you will. It’s pretty drastic compared to Purdy at least. Glancing at the other top qbs it seems most of them have more first half production as well but not quite as stark as Lamar.
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
Everyone has had a bad week or 2. Allen was awful against the Jets in week 1, and bad in the Broncos game that got Dorsey fired. I'd argue he's been at least solid in every other game, with several elite performances. He's the best player in the NFL in my opinion. I could go into detail about the week to weeks of other candidates, but I'm confident all of them have fewer great games than Allen, and at least a game where they weren't good. In Allen's case they were both Monday Night games, so I wonder if that has skewed his perception as everyone saw those.

Tyreek Hill may be the exception, as he's been elite other than the KC game, but no WR has won the award, and if 1987 or 1995 Jerry Rice didn't, I don't see Tyreek, even if he might deserve it.
 
Tyreek Hill may be the exception, as he's been elite other than the KC game, but no WR has won the award, and if 1987 or 1995 Jerry Rice didn't, I don't see Tyreek, even if he might deserve it.
Agreed. It's a shame he got hurt and now may not be able to break records he's was pacing. In a year where no QBs are throwing up eye-popping numbers, he could've become the 1st WR to win it.
 
Tyreek Hill may be the exception, as he's been elite other than the KC game, but no WR has won the award, and if 1987 or 1995 Jerry Rice didn't, I don't see Tyreek, even if he might deserve it.
Agreed. It's a shame he got hurt and now may not be able to break records he's was pacing. In a year where no QBs are throwing up eye-popping numbers, he could've become the 1st WR to win it.

Conceptually though he still probably deserves it because his numbers, in a year of mediocre performances, are still pretty eye popping
 
Tyreek Hill may be the exception, as he's been elite other than the KC game, but no WR has won the award, and if 1987 or 1995 Jerry Rice didn't, I don't see Tyreek, even if he might deserve it.
Agreed. It's a shame he got hurt and now may not be able to break records he's was pacing. In a year where no QBs are throwing up eye-popping numbers, he could've become the 1st WR to win it.

Conceptually though he still probably deserves it because his numbers, in a year of mediocre performances, are still pretty eye popping
Agreed, but it gives the voters an(other) excuse to pick a QB.
 
Josh Allen should in no way be the MVP. The MVP is for the entire season and Josh Allen sucked balls for a lot of games. It's so ridiculous that each and every last game played by each candidate keeps making such strong changes to the MVP favorites list and odds.
That is the odd thing about Jackson all of a sudden being the clear favorite. He wasn't even a top contender for most of the season, but now that the Ravens beat the 49ers in a game where Purdy was terrible and the Ravens offense was good but not great (343 total yards, which was below their season average), Jackson is suddenly the big favorite. It makes zero sense.
We really gonna act like the Ravens didn’t take their foot off the gas in the 4th quarter skewing the final stats? Baltimore threw 2 passes in the 4th and gained 25 total yards since they were in complete control. They had 318 yards of offense in 3 quarters. Outgained the Niners 318-260 to the point they went up 3 scores late in the 3rd and then it was 169-25 for the Niners after that. This is kind of my point about Lamar’s total stats- the Ravens offense has similarly shut it down several times this year. He was spectacular for most of the game, easily the best player on the field but his final stats won’t reflect his level of dominance.
I have a hard time saying someone was the best player on the field in a game where he ran backwards into the end zone on a play from his own 20 and then got flagged for grounding resulting in a safety for the other team. Great quarterbacks know that you don't do that.
In his defense, he was tackled by the referee.
 
scrambling to justify which qb "desevres" and award they have no business winning, when guys like tyreek, CMC, myles G etc are sitting there and very deserving

i dunno man, is it so hard for the league to just do the CORRECT thing?
Wait - Myles Garrett?
Garrett would currently be my pick for DPOY, but its especially unlikely to be a pass rusher as very little separates Garrett from Nick Bosa, or Micah Parsons, or even Maxx Crosby/TJ Watt who likely aren't on playoff teams.

In Hill's case at least, he's the clear cut #1 WR, CMC is the clear cut #1 RB, but its hard to see it not going to a QB unless there are absolutely no worthy players. I'd argue Allen and Dak are worthy, and there's a case for Lamar, and those are 3 guys where you don't also have other players competing for the award (sorry Lamb) but a lot can change in 2 weeks.

I do find the Trent Williams arguments odd. He's having his worst season as a 49er this year, which to be fair is an extremely high bar. He wouldn't be my pick of OTs, that'd be Sewell.
 
I do find the Trent Williams arguments odd. He's having his worst season as a 49er this year, which to be fair is an extremely high bar.
All four 49er loses were games where Trent got hurt and couldnt finish the game, or didn't play at all. I'd say he's one of the most valuable 49ers. I'm not saying he should be MVP or get any votes, but I get why people mention him in the MVP conversation.
 
I do find the Trent Williams arguments odd. He's having his worst season as a 49er this year, which to be fair is an extremely high bar.
All four 49er loses were games where Trent got hurt and couldnt finish the game, or didn't play at all. I'd say he's one of the most valuable 49ers. I'm not saying he should be MVP or get any votes, but I get why people mention him in the MVP conversation.
I get that, but for 3 of those losses you could make the same argument for Deebo Samuel.

Just on the 49ers, I think its Purdy, Bosa, CMC as the top-3. Probably could make a case for Warner too, as I think he's having his best season to date.
 
I do find the Trent Williams arguments odd. He's having his worst season as a 49er this year, which to be fair is an extremely high bar.
All four 49er loses were games where Trent got hurt and couldnt finish the game, or didn't play at all. I'd say he's one of the most valuable 49ers. I'm not saying he should be MVP or get any votes, but I get why people mention him in the MVP conversation.
I get that, but for 3 of those losses you could make the same argument for Deebo Samuel.

Just on the 49ers, I think its Purdy, Bosa, CMC as the top-3. Probably could make a case for Warner too, as I think he's having his best season to date.
Purdy won in Seattle last season without Deebo, but he's never won without Trent.

The Niners are just crazy stacked, it's hard to name a team MVP.
 
300 yard game. Made the big plays when he needed them. Beat a team that was 11-4. Nice win for Dak and uptick to possiblity for MVP. It's so wide open but this doesn't hurt his chances.
 

The more I think about it the more i think I would vote either cmc or Allen. No other player carries his team like Allen. It's like he wills them into wins
While I agree, even if they land the 2 seed (which they can if they win today, Balt beats Miami, and then the Bills win at Miami next week), the jughead voters will holds his turnovers against him. Lamar Jackson being 12th or whatever in TD passes is apparently irrelevant, but Allen's INTs will matter.
 
If the Niners wanted to, CMC could have 300 total yards today, maybe by half time vs Washington. I'd like to see him go off and get the MVP.
 
There’s your MVP. I tried to tell everyone.
I don't think there's any way he doesn't win it now, no matter what happens in week 17.

Clicks all the boxes. Pretty good numbers, QB of the #1 seed.

Maybe it's because I follow the NFC more closely, but Balt/Lamar seem to be the least talked about 1 seed in a while... they seem to have just relatively slid under the radar
 
It’s his lock it up. His stats are fine as I mentioned he hasn’t had the opportunity to accumulate them despite playing fantastic ball all year. He’s the most valuable player on the *best team in football and one of the best rated teams since all these advanced stats starting rating teams. I still think even if the Dolphins do find a way to come back here Lamar has done enough to hold off Tua unless he does all last game Purdy here in the second half.

*Assuming the Ravens do finish this out. Which isn’t a given considering what happened last year and the secondary is similarly banged up.
 

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