2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end. (4 Viewers)

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Don't really care about the Eagles one way or the other, but I like Jalen and root for his success. Really great vindication for him, and it looks like a solid deal for the team as well.
Some teams have great staff who really work creative magic on these kinds of contracts so everyone can win. Philadelphia clearly has a staff like that. Then, you have the Browns.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

No offense rock, but your take is pretty bad. Like, it feels like trolling bad. If you legit believe all the stuff you posted- good on you.

But, man, it’s not even worth point/counterpoint arguing about it- your take is just bad.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Great deal for the Eagles and for Hurts.

I love rooting for Hurts- nobody believed in him coming out of college. Everyone doubted him after that first year. He just put in work, relentlessly, and improved his game to the point he was in the conversation for MVP until he got injured. Then came out and had a monster performance on the biggest stage in the Super Bowl.

All the talent he has, and his intangibles: the humility, the leadership, the commitment to excellence. He’s just an easy dude to root for. Glad he is the face of the franchise.

Even more glad that Howie, Hurts and his agent had the foresight to out together a win/win for wveryone with this contract.

Fly, Eagles, Fly!

 

[need2know]

J. Herbert
J. Allen
P. Mahomes
J. Burrow
D. Prescott
A. Rodgers
L. Jackson
T. Lawrence
D. Watson
K. Cousins
K. Murray

Don't forget, the top twelve comment is off of the top of my head. I'm not looking for you to bite my ankles all night about it.

By the way, so many mocks have Bijan to Dallas. Enjoy it.

Your opinion.
Only players on that list I take over hurts for sure are mahomes,burrow, maybe lamar but his situation is crazy

Watson, Prescott, Rodgers, and cousins are washed up and never winning anything.

Allen is great but hasn't had any success in posts season. I'm starting to think he never will.

Herbert is great and had no success in post season or in big games. Until he does I'm not putting him ahead of hurts.

Murray isn't even a top 15 qb.

 

[need2know]

If you'd rather Dak/Murray/Cousins/Watson/Lawrence on your team over Hurts then I guess that's on you but you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would

Not really. He just signed his contract and those guys' salaries rival his or surpass it, which is all you need to know. The NFL talks in dollars, and Hurts's contract is team-friendly. Watson's is for way more than his. Prescott's will be. Book it. Murray is close if not ahead. Lawrence would fetch way more than Hurts. Right now. Immediately.

There's no way this guy is in the Herbert/Rodgers/Jackson realm. Two are MVPs of the league. The other very well could be. Hurts never will be.

Lol he would have won it this year if he didn't miss 2 games

 

[need2know]

Just listened to meshawn giving his top 5. Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrow, Hurts, Jackson

 

[The Noid]

What a win win on this deal

Hurts cap numbers

2023: $6.15 million
2024: $13.56 million
2025: $21.77 million
2026: $31.77 million

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1648101167619100683?s=46&t=RJfiYufOPM5611362cLZGg

Even without knowing yet the cap hits in the 4th and 5th years (and maybe beyond with void years that help spread the signing bonus out), just HAVING those years to push a bunch of the spend into when the cap will be about $150-$180M more than it is in 2023 is a major win.

The more I looked at it, assuming there's 2 void years, the cap hits for 2027/2028 have to be ~$79M each, to fit with those 2023-2026 numbers. Big? Sure. But barring another COVID situation between now and then where the cap stalls or goes down, the projected cap those years would be large enough that those hits would still only be 22-25% of the team's total cap in those years.

A good description of what the Eagles did here: it's a proactively restructured contract. Instead of going the usual route of signing a player to a big long term deal and then a couple years in pushing money to later years in a restructure to free up cap space in the current year (e.g. Lane's annual restructures), they are just structuring the contract that way, from the start.

The risk is that he gets seriously injured early in the contract or catches the Carson Wentz virus and turns into a pumpkin. The benefit of waiting to do the restructures is you know the player is still performing at a high level and will be contributing (and on the roster) in those upcoming years with the big money hits. So the Eagles are taking a gamble, but the benefit with having Hurts cost controlled through 2026 they can focus, right now, on building a SB contender the next 3-4 years.

 

[Terpman22]

Those cap hits are outright insanity. I want to see the last two years and a full breakdown of the contract structure but it’s just incredible that you sign a guy for 5/$255M and only have cap hits totaling less than $70M in the first three years of the extension. And that’s not even counting the tiny hit for the upcoming season.

Absurd.

Yeah, guys like me say "Howie will figure it out" time and time again and with the most crucial salary cap balancing act to accomplish, he comes out better than anyone had hoped for. RIvals and rival fans get upset about it b/c they have their guys like Daniel Jones and Dak Prescott on deals where either the structure is bad or they, ya know, Franchised the guy "just to see if he can do it again" only to bite them in the *** and have to pay for a higher market rate than had they signed him early like the Eagles did here with Hurts. Of course Jalen got to the Super Bowl and these guys can't get past the divisional round, so the hate and jealousy makes sense. Now all of a sudden you got guys ranking lol Kirk Cousins and Kyler Murray coming off a bum ACL above Hurts just to get reactions. I enjoy that side of this place though. Its a different reality.

 

[The Noid]

The more I looked at it, assuming there's 2 void years, the cap hits for 2027/2028 have to be ~$79M each, to fit with those 2023-2026 numbers. Big? Sure. But barring another COVID situation between now and then where the cap stalls or goes down, the projected cap those years would be large enough that those hits would still only be 22-25% of the team's total cap in those years.

A good description of what the Eagles did here: it's a proactively restructured contract. Instead of going the usual route of signing a player to a big long term deal and then a couple years in pushing money to later years in a restructure to free up cap space in the current year (e.g. Lane's annual restructures), they are just structuring the contract that way, from the start.

The risk is that he gets seriously injured early in the contract or catches the Carson Wentz virus and turns into a pumpkin. The benefit of waiting to do the restructures is you know the player is still performing at a high level and will be contributing (and on the roster) in those upcoming years with the big money hits. So the Eagles are taking a gamble, but the benefit with having Hurts cost controlled through 2026 they can focus, right now, on building a SB contender the next 3-4 years.

Btw, not saying there was any Howie magic or cap wizardry going on here (I've seen some outrageous hyperbole acting like Howie just conquered cold fusion.) The "triple option bonus" structure, void years, backloading, etc. isn't new or unique. Just an outside the box application of the usual restructuring that happens with big contracts for key franchise players by doing it that way from the start. It's playing the odds while trying to predict the future and accepting the risk it will bring if it doesn't work out. Highly doubt GMs or Cap Gurus haven't thought of it before, but they more likely just didn't see the risk/benefit being worth trying it.

 

[rockaction]

The "triple option bonus" structure, void years, backloading, etc. isn't new or unique. Just an outside the box application of the usual restructuring that happens with big contracts for key franchise players by doing it that way from the start. It's playing the odds while trying to predict the future and accepting the risk it will bring if it doesn't work out. Highly doubt GMs or Cap Gurus haven't thought of it before, but they more likely just didn't see the risk/benefit being worth trying it.

Despite Hurts not being the greatest quarterback that ever walked on water, this really was a great signing and job by the Eagles.

 

[DJackson10]

5yr, $51M per year extension for Hurts ($255M total, $179M guaranteed), with a no trade clause (first time the Eagles have done that.)

Cap implications TBD, but at first glance this is more favorable to the team. QB market resets every year or two and those last few years (2026-2028) at $51M might be 75% what top QBs are getting then. But because he's so young, he'll still just be turning 30 then and could still cash in again.

Good for him but there's no way he should be the highest paid QB AAV salary. Like I said I think he's a good system QB and I don't know many teams and have a hard time naming a team he would've been as successful with this past season elsewhere. That's not a bad thing but I think fans need to know what type of QB he is rather then this fantasy world. He reminds me of Russ Wilson with Early SEA days. Looked good with guys around him talent wise. It looks like the contract is back loaded big time and they may have added two fake void yrs so it looks more like a 3 yrs deal. Not sure if true but speculating.

I just worry he just had his best season of his career and he'll be chasing numbers. No one is really scared of Hurts arm as much as his mobility. And we've seen what happened to Russ when he lost that mobility. Doesn't look anywhere near the guy he was even 6 yrs ago. I'm confused by the no trade clause though.

 

[DJackson10]

Good move for the Eagles and great move for Hurts. Unless Hurts is nothing like we think he is as a player/human being....this will make the Eagles Super Bowl contenders for the next 5 years. If he COMPLETELy poops the bed....it's only 5 years.

I do get the need for prudence and thinking of the future now..... but I still do want them to load up for bear this draft and get Bijan. Maybe not with 10....but if they can trade back into the 12-16 range; get some more picks and Bijan....that O will completely roll for the next 5 years.

If Ekler or Cook get released I'd rather take them then Bijan personally.

 

[DJackson10]

So, I don't understand. Does this deal hit the cap down the road or does only $73M out of $255M hit the cap? I always assumed every dollar you pay a player is on the cap one year or another. Is that not how it works?

Yes, you eventually have to pay the piper at some point if the player plays out all the years. But, if there's roster bonuses that don't kick in until certain years, there's no "cap hit" until those triggers occur. I would guess since Schefter only tweeted out the first 3 year of the 5 year extensions, those are the only "guaranteed" years. The last 2 may essentially be guaranteed but not officially for cap purposes, as of yet. The Mahomes deal had a lot of that.

Sounds like 27 and 28 are void yrs where he's guaranteed huge money roster bonus. So essentially I think after 26 they are renegotiating or moving on depending on his play/wants

 

[DJackson10]

Will Djax officially find a new team? Or do we have 5 more years of "what a bad contract" lol

I'd appreciate if you kept my name out of your post. You sound like an absolute disgruntled baby crying about me. It's pretty sad and pathetic. I only took you off ignore to reply to you because I got several emails in the last 24 hours from posters telling me about you again. Its really annoying when I'm at work and getting emails about some grown man on a message board acting like a child. You honestly look pathetic.

 

[DJackson10]

Now just gotta hope Hurts isn't a 1-year wonder. He was really good last year, top-5 in NFL for sure, but it was still just 1 year. This was what got them in trouble with Wentz. Even risking having to pay more later, I think I would have waited until after this season to extend Hurts.

Not saying Hurts is going to go the way Wentz did, or that this is a bad deal, just saying I have more concerns with Hurts than I do other "franchise" QBs.

He was 14th in TDs and 1Oth in passing yards. in terms of passing numbers counting that's 12th overall in the league. What made him more of a threat was his mobility and able to run for yards and TDs

Just to put this in perspective those numbers are behind DAK Prescott in passing who missed part of last year and led the league in INTs.

 

[DJackson10]

Cap implications TBD, but at first glance this is more favorable to the team.

Just the fact that he is the first of the extension eligible QB's to sign is a big win for the team. He could go from highest paid QB to the 3rd or 4th within the next week.

agreed i think this is a win for the Eagles. Definitely puts the Bengals and Chargers in a tough spot now, will be interesting how much they have to give up to keep Burrow and Herbert

Not really both QBs should get more than Hurts. Overall they are more well polished passers then Hurts and also don't have a durability concern in terms of playing style either. They are both different types of QBs then Hurts. Burrow is more of stone legs similar to a Brady/Manning. Herbert can move around a bit has good size similar to a Big Ben or Rodgers. If he has to he can use his legs to move around in the pocket to create space and can take off once in awhile where Burrow can move around the pocket enough to create more time but will more likely look down field.

 

[Deamon]

Will Djax officially find a new team? Or do we have 5 more years of "what a bad contract" lol

I'd appreciate if you kept my name out of your post. You sound like an absolute disgruntled baby crying about me. It's pretty sad and pathetic. I only took you off ignore to reply to you because I got several emails in the last 24 hours from posters telling me about you again. Its really annoying when I'm at work and getting emails about some grown man on a message board acting like a child. You honestly look pathetic.

Ya... I'M the one that looks pathetic in the Hurts convo.

 

[rockaction]

Will Djax officially find a new team? Or do we have 5 more years of "what a bad contract" lol

I'd appreciate if you kept my name out of your post. You sound like an absolute disgruntled baby crying about me. It's pretty sad and pathetic. I only took you off ignore to reply to you because I got several emails in the last 24 hours from posters telling me about you again. Its really annoying when I'm at work and getting emails about some grown man on a message board acting like a child. You honestly look pathetic.

Ya... I'M the one that looks pathetic in the Hurts convo.

 

[DJackson10]

The ONLY thing worrying me about the '23 Eagles (so far) is the Super Bowl hangover. I think its real, and not just for NFL. The Eagles need only to look across Pattison Ave. at the slow start the Phillies have gotten off to. If the Eagles start slow next season, everyone will point to Jalen's new contract and call him overrated.

We are certainly going to have a down year in terms of wins so next year is going to look worse when you had a team who went undefeated for more then half a season and went to the SB. it really depends on how the schedule pans out too. I'm more concerned if our 2nd half struggles continue or they fix that.

 

[Deamon]

He was 14th in TDs and 1Oth in passing yards. in terms of passing numbers counting that's 12th overall in the league. What made him more of a threat was his mobility and able to run for yards and TDs

This "Take away one of his biggest strengths and he's not as good" argument continues to amaze me. Like its a downside that he is productive by running. He could run less/pass more and have way higher passing numbers and we'd have less wins. In what world is that better?

 

[Deamon]

Will Djax officially find a new team? Or do we have 5 more years of "what a bad contract" lol

I'd appreciate if you kept my name out of your post. You sound like an absolute disgruntled baby crying about me. It's pretty sad and pathetic. I only took you off ignore to reply to you because I got several emails in the last 24 hours from posters telling me about you again. Its really annoying when I'm at work and getting emails about some grown man on a message board acting like a child. You honestly look pathetic.

Ya... I'M the one that looks pathetic in the Hurts convo.

You literally admitted to adjusting your rankings due to "being annoyed by strangers on a message board".

You're trolling and have been called out on it by multiple posters. Enjoy the Jets.

 

[Deamon]

No offense rock, but your take is pretty bad. Like, it feels like trolling bad. If you legit believe all the stuff you posted- good on you.

But, man, it’s not even worth point/counterpoint arguing about it- your take is just bad.

 

[The Noid]

Sounds like 27 and 28 are void yrs where he's guaranteed huge money roster bonus. So essentially I think after 26 they are renegotiating or moving on depending on his play/wants

The void years would have to be beyond the 5 year term of the extension (or lese it would only be a 3 year extension), so those years are real (and will be huge hits), but definitely still be the window for an additional extension/restructuring.

 

[Amused to Death]

We are certainly going to have a down year in terms of wins so next year is going to look worse when you had a team who went undefeated for more then half a season and went to the SB. it really depends on how the schedule pans out too. I'm more concerned if our 2nd half struggles continue or they fix that.

Yeah I certainly don't expect another 14 win season. As to the bolded, doesn't bother me at all - the Eagles were the second highest scoring team in the NFL last year behind only KC. I don't care when the points are scored.

 

[rockaction]

You literally admitted to adjusting your rankings due to "being annoyed by strangers on a message board".

Barely adjusted. I really believe he's barely top ten. You bite ankles. All the time. DJAX has you on ignore. Think about that.

 

[Deamon]

Barely adjusted. I really believe he's barely top ten. You bite ankles. All the time. DJAX has you on ignore. Think about that.

Djax pretends to. Unless you're one of the ones "emailing him whenever he's mentioned" lollllll

 

[The Noid]

He was 14th in TDs and 1Oth in passing yards. in terms of passing numbers counting that's 12th overall in the league. What made him more of a threat was his mobility and able to run for yards and TDs

Can't overlook the context of the Eagles playing with 2nd half leads in 10 of the 15 games Hurts played in. Better to look at the performance and efficiency stats from when he did pass (and placed him near the top in most), than passing totals accumulated.

 

[DJackson10]

J. Herbert
J. Allen
P. Mahomes
J. Burrow
D. Prescott
A. Rodgers
L. Jackson
T. Lawrence
D. Watson
K. Cousins
K. Murray

Don't forget, the top twelve comment is off of the top of my head. I'm not looking for you to bite my ankles all night about it.

By the way, so many mocks have Bijan to Dallas. Enjoy it.

I'm by no means a Hurts fan but Lamar is seriously overrated and the dude is a clown personally who held out when his teammates needed him the most as he was more concern with $$$ then helping his guys win. As players they will support him getting paid but in the back of their mind guys who are team first won't want a QB who's suppose to be defactor leader #1 in the locker room quitting on them

Same with Murray and he just blew his knee. Also when you need to put mandatory film study in a contract I wouldn't want you on my team to begin with. You are getting released straight away or traded.

Watson looked awful last year too and wasn't great prior to his injury plus he shouldn't even be playing an NFL down let alone football unless he wants to go up North to Canada.

Cousins is an OK QB. he'll give you numbers but can't win a big one.

Prescott is what he is. I'd say he's top 12 but outside top 1O. I'd put Derrick Carr before both of them honestly and I think people underrate Jimmy G. I'd put Tua ahead of all three though. I wouldn't put Pickett in there yet but I've been pretty high on him before his SR yr at Pitt. I'm with Kyle Brandt in buying Keeny P stock right now. I'd also still have Stafford in there as well as I hate too say it Jared Goff who could've won comeback player last year so my list would look like

J. Herbert
J. Allen
P. Mahomes
J. Burrow
A. Rodgers
Tua
Carr
Stafford
Jimmy G
Goff
Hurts

Right now Hurts just sneaks into top 12 @ 11 but only because of how avg some guys are, others are still unknown and we don't know yet what the rookies did. Another good year from him and depending how others do he could sneak into that Top conversation of 1O guys. I do honestly think people are underestimating what Carr can do this year. Stafford had a lot of injuries last year but showed year before he can be a QB the year before. A lot of people though are quick to react on decisions based on 1 year.

 

[Deamon]

You literally admitted to adjusting your rankings due to "being annoyed by strangers on a message board".

Barely adjusted. I really believe he's barely top ten. You bite ankles. All the time. DJAX has you on ignore. Think about that.

Barely adjusted is still adjusted. You literally adjusted rankings because of annoyance of fans. None of your rankings can be taken seriously if you adjust because of that.

Heck, you even said he was good enough to win a superbowl, then got all upset/argumentative and decided to say he will NEVER WIN MVP! and went on a tear trying to argue that he's not that great.

 

[rockaction]

Barely adjusted is still adjusted. You literally adjusted rankings because of annoyance of fans. None of your rankings can be taken seriously if you adjust because of that.

Heck, you even said he was good enough to win a superbowl, then got all upset/argumentative and decided to say he will NEVER WIN MVP! and went on a tear trying to argue that he's not that great.

Your trolling is off the charts. Good day.

 

[Deamon]

He was 14th in TDs and 1Oth in passing yards. in terms of passing numbers counting that's 12th overall in the league. What made him more of a threat was his mobility and able to run for yards and TDs

Can't overlook the context of the Eagles playing with 2nd half leads in 10 of the 15 games Hurts played in. Better to look at the performance and efficiency stats from when he did pass (and placed him near the top in most), than passing totals accumulated.

Exactly. People cherry pick stats. If he didn't miss those two games and didn't have such a big 2nd half lead, etc he could have been way higher.
QBR seems to take into consideration more than just 1 part of his game and he was 4th, which is around where I have him ranked. I don't think he's a "walk on water next tom brady" or even a top 3 qb in the NFL.

 

[Amused to Death]

He was 14th in TDs and 1Oth in passing yards. in terms of passing numbers counting that's 12th overall in the league. What made him more of a threat was his mobility and able to run for yards and TDs

Can't overlook the context of the Eagles playing with 2nd half leads in 10 of the 15 games Hurts played in. Better to look at the performance and efficiency stats from when he did pass (and placed him near the top in most), than passing totals accumulated.

Exactly. As I just posted, the Eagles were 2nd in scoring last year with the majority of their points coming in the first half. Pass to get the lead in the first half, run out the clock in the 2nd.

 

[Deamon]

Barely adjusted is still adjusted. You literally adjusted rankings because of annoyance of fans. None of your rankings can be taken seriously if you adjust because of that.

Heck, you even said he was good enough to win a superbowl, then got all upset/argumentative and decided to say he will NEVER WIN MVP! and went on a tear trying to argue that he's not that great.

Your trolling is off the charts. Good day.

You're calling someone a troll when you admitted to adjusting rankings because you were annoyed with fans lol.

 

[Deamon]

I would take a random guess and say that 75% of unbiased analysts/fans would put Hurts in the QB3-QB8 range in the league. Some have him higher, some lower.

Is it really a big deal if the dude is the 4th or 8th best QB in the league? lol. My god.

 

[rockaction]

You're calling someone a troll when you admitted to adjusting rankings because you were annoyed with fans lol.

I embellished because you won't let a general point stand. Top twelve was a colloquial statement and I knew you would do this.

You waste my time on this board. Enough of you.

 

[DJackson10]

No offense rock, but your take is pretty bad. Like, it feels like trolling bad. If you legit believe all the stuff you posted- good on you.

But, man, it’s not even worth point/counterpoint arguing about it- your take is just bad.

I'd have no problem with his take if he didn't include Lamar as a top 4 QB or even Murray. I feel a lot of people overrate those guys. I think many people mix what makes good fantasy and what real life is. No Question in a Fantasy football league your top options for points is mobile QBs if you aren't getting a Burrow/Herbert/Mahomes etc. And RBs are crucial. But in real world guys like Lamar have a short NFL self life and when they act out like Lamar and immature like Murray I don't want them on my team. RB wise real life you don't take RBs early.

People need to stop entwining the two together.

 

[Deamon]

You're calling someone a troll when you admitted to adjusting rankings because you were annoyed with fans lol.

I embellished because you won't let a general point stand. Top twelve was a colloquial statement and I knew you would do this.

You waste my time on this board. Enough of you.

Embellishing rankings based on personal feelings towards a fan. Yet 'not trolling' lol

 

[rockaction]

Embellishing rankings based on personal feelings towards a fan. Yet 'not trolling' lol

No. Not at all. Wanted an annoyance to leave me alone. Because you bring almost nothing to this board but **** like this.

It's tiresome, and you're tiresome. Last statement from me. Go away.

 

[rockaction]

Welcome to ignore again, and I almost never use it. Ever. I think you're the only one in the past four years that I've done that with. And now you go back on it.

 

[DJackson10]

What a win win on this deal

Hurts cap numbers

2023: $6.15 million
2024: $13.56 million
2025: $21.77 million
2026: $31.77 million

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1648101167619100683?s=46&t=RJfiYufOPM5611362cLZGg

Even without knowing yet the cap hits in the 4th and 5th years (and maybe beyond with void years that help spread the signing bonus out), just HAVING those years to push a bunch of the spend into when the cap will be about $150-$180M more than it is in 2023 is a major win.

The more I looked at it, assuming there's 2 void years, the cap hits for 2027/2028 have to be ~$79M each, to fit with those 2023-2026 numbers. Big? Sure. But barring another COVID situation between now and then where the cap stalls or goes down, the projected cap those years would be large enough that those hits would still only be 22-25% of the team's total cap in those years.

A good description of what the Eagles did here: it's a proactively restructured contract. Instead of going the usual route of signing a player to a big long term deal and then a couple years in pushing money to later years in a restructure to free up cap space in the current year (e.g. Lane's annual restructures), they are just structuring the contract that way, from the start.

The risk is that he gets seriously injured early in the contract or catches the Carson Wentz virus and turns into a pumpkin. The benefit of waiting to do the restructures is you know the player is still performing at a high level and will be contributing (and on the roster) in those upcoming years with the big money hits. So the Eagles are taking a gamble, but the benefit with having Hurts cost controlled through 2026 they can focus, right now, on building a SB contender the next 3-4 years.

This is true and I don't get the no trade clause either. Is this him protecting himself after what he saw happen with Carson or just insurance on his part here? Don't get why a team would agree to a no trade clause unless we are talking baseball with no cap and you have guys like a Bryce Harper who wants his next contract to be his last and spend the rest of his career in one place. This seems like a short little 3- maybe 4 yr deal and kicking the can down the line to a future contract. No way we are paying $80M or more final 2 yrs.

 

[Deamon]

Embellishing rankings based on personal feelings towards a fan. Yet 'not trolling' lol

No. Not at all. Wanted an annoyance to leave me alone. Because you bring almost nothing to this board but **** like this.

It's tiresome, and you're tiresome. Last statement from me. Go away.

So you wanted an annoyance to stop replying to your posts, so you dropped Hurts in your rankings in order to accomplish this. Wild, okay.

 

[DJackson10]

We are certainly going to have a down year in terms of wins so next year is going to look worse when you had a team who went undefeated for more then half a season and went to the SB. it really depends on how the schedule pans out too. I'm more concerned if our 2nd half struggles continue or they fix that.

Yeah I certainly don't expect another 14 win season. As to the bolded, doesn't bother me at all - the Eagles were the second highest scoring team in the NFL last year behind only KC. I don't care when the points are scored.

I care more about being consistent through 4 QTRs I don't think we'll be up as big in 2nd half this year as we were last year. I get it though highest scoring offense and it's just easier to people to say the defense sucked in some games and the SB. But I'm more so looking at the overall picture. It's fine if you want to harp on the highest scoring offense but I'm looking at it as a whole. I get some people don't want to debate the topic and not saying you personally but it's just easier I see for people to put out the defense was bad and we were up bigmost games. That won't happen this year iMHO. So we need to score more effectively in the 2nd half.

 

[Amused to Death]

I care more about being consistent through 4 QTRs I don't think we'll be up as big in 2nd half this year as we were last year. I get it though highest scoring offense and it's just easier to people to say the defense sucked in some games and the SB. But I'm more so looking at the overall picture. It's fine if you want to harp on the highest scoring offense but I'm looking at it as a whole. I get some people don't want to debate the topic and not saying you personally but it's just easier I see for people to put out the defense was bad and we were up bigmost games. That won't happen this year iMHO. So we need to score more effectively in the 2nd half.

I care about wins. The team put up more points than any other team save one. They don't break it down by quarters in standings.

Would it make you feel better if they scored less in the first half and more in the 2nd to balance it out? Second highest is 2nd highest no matter when they're scored.

 

[The Noid]

I'm by no means a Hurts fan

Genuinely curious: As an Eagles fan, how do you reconcile this? The guy just had one of the best seasons in franchise history, set team records, NFL records, delivered the league's best record, took them to the Super Bowl and, outside of one mistake, played great and was a key reason they came close to winning it. He has the earned reputation as a fantastic leader and dedicated, hard-working person extremely focused on doing everything necessary to make himself better. And he just signed a team-friendly deal to put the Eagles in the best position possible to build a competitive team for the next few years,

If he had a domestic assault history, a massage therapist scandal, or got caught stealing money from a kids charity, I could understand being conflicted about the player or outright not wanting to root for him or enjoy his success. If you were signing his paycheck, I could see being upset with the money he's getting paid.

If his play falls off a cliff and he never looks like a legitimate starting NFL QB again, ok, then you could crow all day about the reservations you had and me and a million other Eagles fans would be right there with you in not being a Hurts fan. But, in the here and now, he's checking off every single box a fan would want from their team's star player. There isn't some part of you that can at least allow yourself to embrace him for doing that and enjoy the ride, instead of not liking him for something you think he may become or how he performed in college?

Maybe it's a personality thing or it's just how you're wired and since I'm not wired that way (I know you've been open about your diagnosis), it's just hard for me to grasp. But if that's just how you are, in all things, then you do you. Maybe you hear a great song from a new band or performer but don't let yourself enjoy it in case they wind up being a one-hit wonder or have a bad follow-up album. Or, you have a great steak dinner but because it was cooked sous vide instead of reverse-seared (in your opinion, the "right" way to cook a steak), you have to knock the Yelp review down 2 stars. But, I hope there are plenty of other things you're able to be less rigid about and occasionally get opened to new or different joys that are out there, too. And, maybe one day, Jalen Hurts will be one of them for you

 

[Terpman22]

I'm by no means a Hurts fan

Genuinely curious: As an Eagles fan, how do you reconcile this? The guy just had one of the best seasons in franchise history, set team records, NFL records, delivered the league's best record, took them to the Super Bowl and, outside of one mistake, played great and was a key reason they came close to winning it. He has the earned reputation as a fantastic leader and dedicated, hard-working person extremely focused on doing everything necessary to make himself better. And he just signed a team-friendly deal to put the Eagles in the best position possible to build a competitive team for the next few years,

If he had a domestic assault history, a massage therapist scandal, or got caught stealing money from a kids charity, I could understand being conflicted about the player or outright not wanting to root for him or enjoy his success. If you were signing his paycheck, I could see being upset with the money he's getting paid.

If his play falls off a cliff and he never looks like a legitimate starting NFL QB again, ok, then you could crow all day about the reservations you had and me and a million other Eagles fans would be right there with you in not being a Hurts fan. But, in the here and now, he's checking off every single box a fan would want from their team's star player. There isn't some part of you that can at least allow yourself to embrace him for doing that and enjoy the ride, instead of not liking him for something you think he may become or how he performed in college?

Maybe it's a personality thing or it's just how you're wired and since I'm not wired that way (I know you've been open about your diagnosis), it's just hard for me to grasp. But if that's just how you are, in all things, then you do you. Maybe you hear a great song from a new band or performer but don't let yourself enjoy it in case they wind up being a one-hit wonder or have a bad follow-up album. Or, you have a great steak dinner but because it was cooked sous vide instead of reverse-seared (in your opinion, the "right" way to cook a steak), you have to knock the Yelp review down 2 stars. But, I hope there are plenty of other things you're able to be less rigid about and occasionally get opened to new or different joys that are out there, too. And, maybe one day, Jalen Hurts will be one of them for you

Great post I'd be curious to hear the "why" as well. All I can think is people, like Chris Simms, put out their initial thoughts and when all the facts smack em in the face, they double down and refuse "to be proven incorrect" and just hold onto stuff, like, obviously forever.

 

[rockaction]

or got caught stealing money from a kids charity,

Who did that besides the politician we dare not name in the SP?

 

[Amused to Death]

I'm by no means a Hurts fan

Genuinely curious: As an Eagles fan, how do you reconcile this? The guy just had one of the best seasons in franchise history, set team records, NFL records, delivered the league's best record, took them to the Super Bowl and, outside of one mistake, played great and was a key reason they came close to winning it. He has the earned reputation as a fantastic leader and dedicated, hard-working person extremely focused on doing everything necessary to make himself better. And he just signed a team-friendly deal to put the Eagles in the best position possible to build a competitive team for the next few years,

If he had a domestic assault history, a massage therapist scandal, or got caught stealing money from a kids charity, I could understand being conflicted about the player or outright not wanting to root for him or enjoy his success. If you were signing his paycheck, I could see being upset with the money he's getting paid.

If his play falls off a cliff and he never looks like a legitimate starting NFL QB again, ok, then you could crow all day about the reservations you had and me and a million other Eagles fans would be right there with you in not being a Hurts fan. But, in the here and now, he's checking off every single box a fan would want from their team's star player. There isn't some part of you that can at least allow yourself to embrace him for doing that and enjoy the ride, instead of not liking him for something you think he may become or how he performed in college?

Maybe it's a personality thing or it's just how you're wired and since I'm not wired that way (I know you've been open about your diagnosis), it's just hard for me to grasp. But if that's just how you are, in all things, then you do you. Maybe you hear a great song from a new band or performer but don't let yourself enjoy it in case they wind up being a one-hit wonder or have a bad follow-up album. Or, you have a great steak dinner but because it was cooked sous vide instead of reverse-seared (in your opinion, the "right" way to cook a steak), you have to knock the Yelp review down 2 stars. But, I hope there are plenty of other things you're able to be less rigid about and occasionally get opened to new or different joys that are out there, too. And, maybe one day, Jalen Hurts will be one of them for you

Great post I'd be curious to hear the "why" as well. All I can think is people, like Chris Simms, put out their initial thoughts and when all the facts smack em in the face, they double down and refuse "to be proven incorrect" and just hold onto stuff, like, obviously forever.

Remember when Chris Simms said Hurts wasn't even top-40 in the NFL? Even he's admitted to being wrong and now thinks Hurts is close to top-5.

Chris Simms on Jalen Hurts: 'I was wrong'​

A few years ago, Simms was seen as one of the best evaluators of young quarterbacks coming into the league that worked in media. Some of his comments about Hurts -- while always focused on his play, not the person -- have been proven wrong, and therefore hurt his reputation.

And so after the Philadelphia Eagles punched their ticket to the Super Bowl Sunday, Simms took a step back and acknowledged that his projections of what Hurts would become have been proven incorrect.
"Hey, I was wrong ... yeah, I questioned how good he was. Crap, he's definitely a top 10 quarterback in football [with] what he's doing," Simms said on PFT Live Monday.

"He's one of the greatest leaders in the sport," Simms continued. "You could tell right there [in his postgame press conference], he doesn't even seem happy that he won the NFC Championship Game. He seems like he's still chippy and like 'I'm gonna prove you wrong still more.' I love that about him. I do.

"And again, he's done a great job as far as leading the team ... making big plays ... running the football. And the way they are playing is formulated around his skill-set now, to where they got something special going here yesterday."

<snip>

As Simms said, Hurts is unquestionably one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the sport right now, and he may very well be closer to five than 10.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

If you'd rather Dak/Murray/Cousins/Watson/Lawrence on your team over Hurts then I guess that's on you but you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would

Not really. He just signed his contract and those guys' salaries rival his or surpass it, which is all you need to know. The NFL talks in dollars, and Hurts's contract is team-friendly. Watson's is for way more than his. Prescott's will be. Book it. Murray is close if not ahead. Lawrence would fetch way more than Hurts. Right now. Immediately.

There's no way this guy is in the Herbert/Rodgers/Jackson realm. Two are MVPs of the league. The other very well could be. Hurts never will be.

Lol he would have won it this year if he didn't miss 2 games

Wentz would’ve won it his big year too. Hasn’t done a thing since

Will Djax officially find a new team? Or do we have 5 more years of "what a bad contract" lol

I'd appreciate if you kept my name out of your post. You sound like an absolute disgruntled baby crying about me. It's pretty sad and pathetic. I only took you off ignore to reply to you because I got several emails in the last 24 hours from posters telling me about you again. Its really annoying when I'm at work and getting emails about some grown man on a message board acting like a child. You honestly look pathetic.

Ya... I'M the one that looks pathetic in the Hurts convo.

 

[babydemon90]

I just worry he just had his best season of his career and he'll be chasing numbers. No one is really scared of Hurts arm as much as his mobility. And we've seen what happened to Russ when he lost that mobility. Doesn't look anywhere near the guy he was even 6 yrs ago. I'm confused by the no trade clause though.

Him losing his mobility when he hits 30 has no bearing when discussing this deal.

 

[babydemon90]

or got caught stealing money from a kids charity,

Who did that besides the politician we dare not name in the SP?

isnt that a Favre reference?