2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end. (2 Viewers)

[Deamon]

@The Noid 3 way tie with @need2know and @jon007 ?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I Howie!!!!

What a tremendous draft! Fly, Eagles, Fly!

 

[travdogg]

I know I should give Howie Roseman credit, but honestly, both picks were no brainers, as was the trade up 1 spot. Props to you Eagles, you don't have a dumb GM. The rich got richer.

I got a real, "are we really letting Kyle Hamilton fall to Baltimore?" feeling with Carter making it to Philly, and Nolan Smith was the best value in all of round 1 in my eyes. I thought maybe Branch could have been the 30 pick, but Nolan was the right call, BPA all day.

Bravo!

 

[Insein]

Has there ever been a dynamic where an entire unit has all played at a high level in college together let alone won titles? At any position? I can't remember any group having 3 players from the same school let alone the same years they were all there.

 

[SoBeDad]

Has there ever been a dynamic where an entire unit has all played at a high level in college together let alone won titles? At any position? I can't remember any group having 3 players from the same school let alone the same years they were all there.

WRs at Ohio State: Wilson, Olave JSN, Harrison.

WRs at UM: Moss, Wayne, Johnson.

 

[Insein]

Has there ever been a dynamic where an entire unit has all played at a high level in college together let alone won titles? At any position? I can't remember any group having 3 players from the same school let alone the same years they were all there.

WRs at Ohio State: Wilson, Olave JSN, Harrison.

WRs at UM: Moss, Wayne, Johnson.

I mean where they all meet up in the NFL again on the same team.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I am super pumped about the Eagles 1st round. Is it too much to ask for Branch to drop to them at 62?

 

[need2know]

Might as well take that cb from georgia

 

[unckeyherb]

With Detroit taking Gibbs, what are the chances the birds take a look at hometown guy Deandre Swift?

 

[need2know]

my remaining wish list. in no particular order

cb, safety, rb, OT

 

[Tom Hagen]

Now I want Howie to trade a 7th for D'Andre Swift.

Lions General Manager Brad Holmes sounded on Thursday night like he’d be open to trading Swift.

“He’s still on our roster,” Holmes said of Swift. “He’s still part of our team. He’s still under contract with us. He’s a dynamic football player. It hasn’t really changed the math there yet, but it’s early.”

 

[need2know]

Now I want Howie to trade a 7th for D'Andre Swift.

Lions General Manager Brad Holmes sounded on Thursday night like he’d be open to trading Swift.

“He’s still on our roster,” Holmes said of Swift. “He’s still part of our team. He’s still under contract with us. He’s a dynamic football player. It hasn’t really changed the math there yet, but it’s early.”

there are a bunch of vet rbs that could be got in a trade for lesser picks

 

[Terpman22]

I am usually very excited for draft day and excited to see what the Cowboys do. However, the bigger over riding feeling this year is dread thinking about you guys adding pieces.

My only hope you guys reach for something or just miss (you’ve had a few over the last 15 years)

I’m hoping for a Jalen Reagor esque type evening

My condolences.

 

[Ilov80s]

Eagles are about to suck, they are building a college defense.

- jealous lions fan

 

[Terpman22]

Can't really believed all that happened. My favorite thing I saw other than the draft picks themselves was Micah Parsons' reaction when we drafted Carter. He almost walked off the set just kept saying "I'm sick to my stomach right now"

Howie moving up to 9 for just a 2024 4th is comedy. What a great start to the draft!!

 

[need2know]

Eagles are about to suck, they are building a college defense.

- jealous lions fan

The lions picks were hard to understand

 

[Snotbubbles]

Can't really believed all that happened. My favorite thing I saw other than the draft picks themselves was Micah Parsons' reaction when we drafted Carter. He almost walked off the set just kept saying "I'm sick to my stomach right now"

Howie moving up to 9 for just a 2024 4th is comedy. What a great start to the draft!!

In my best Agent Smith from the Matrix voice: "You hear that Mr. Parsons?...The sound of inevitability...It is the sound of the death of the Cowboy's Superbowl chances...Goodbye Mr. Parsons"

 

[Lehigh98]

Great day, I thought we had no shot at him without the Saints getting us higher...

I think we can go bpa in the draft. But if I had to pick. Secondary would be nice. can't go wrong with more good oline or dline.
Don't need a qb for sure!
Sitting pretty.

Hopefully Saints keep losing...

So, Jalen Carter lifted Jayden Daniels with one arm and threw up the No. 1

 

[Amused to Death]

Eagles are about to suck, they are building a college defense.

- jealous lions fan

That's to go along with their college offense.

 

[modogg]

Eagles should trade a pick next year for Tyler Algier if they think they need a RB to add to their depth. Honestly so many RBs potentially available, i'm curious to see if they add any bodies. might just wait for cutdown days

As for tonight, i wouldn't mind seeing them add some CB depth and OL depth

 

[renesauz]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

 

[renesauz]

Overall very very happy with last night. Was a little worried about Carter a few weeks ago but seemed like he did well with interviews and discussions privately and this team should be able to handle him.
Wasn't particularly happy to move up though. Everyone thinks a 4 isn't a lot to move....but it was ONE PICK up. The cost to move up in the first round of the NFL draft is prohibitively ridiculous in general. But it was for a great player and it wasn't as much as other teams seem to pay for just a spot or 2 in the first

 

[Terpman22]

Overall very very happy with last night. Was a little worried about Carter a few weeks ago but seemed like he did well with interviews and discussions privately and this team should be able to handle him.
Wasn't particularly happy to move up though. Everyone thinks a 4 isn't a lot to move....but it was ONE PICK up. The cost to move up in the first round of the NFL draft is prohibitively ridiculous in general. But it was for a great player and it wasn't as much as other teams seem to pay for just a spot or 2 in the first

They wanted to make sure they got him. I'm sure we weren't the only team inquiring about moving up, but it appears the Bears also didn't want to risk missing out on the guy they wanted too, so I think it was a fair deal. Projected to be 10 picks in 2024 now, down from 12 with this trade and the AZ/Gannon settlement giving them a 5th next year. I'm ecstatic and I think the reverse of this if we somehow let another team trade in front of us to get Carter, we'd all be like "I can't believe Howie wouldn't give up a 2024 4th rounder to make sure we get Carter"

Georgia North Defense is gonna be sick!

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

The Eagles spend ~5M per year on the RB position. That's total. Not just for one guy.

 

[Terpman22]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

The Eagles spend ~5M per year on the RB position. That's total. Not just for one guy.

Yeah I think at this point we can safely say we aren't going to be adding to the RB room. Maybe maybe we draft Charbonnet? I just don't see it though. Really really REALLY want to get Branch somehow, maybe trade for Budda Baker? Gonna beat that drum until it's locked in that we are NOT getting him. Cody Mauch is a guy I got my eye on. Hyatt or Mims as the slot guy in maybe round 3?

 

[BobbyLayne]

With Detroit taking Gibbs, what are the chances the birds take a look at hometown guy Deandre Swift?

go on....

 

[renesauz]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

The Eagles spend ~5M per year on the RB position. That's total. Not just for one guy.

Sigh. So 5 or 6 million 3 years from now is a significant raise from this 5 or 6 million total now?

Look....I was hesitant on using pick 10 on him (honestly had some hope we might move back 5 picks or so and pick up value and still get him)...I totally get that RB values in general are lower then they were even just 10 years ago let alone 25-30 years ago. But talking about 6 million being too much for a RB while accepting paying another guy 50 million is crazy to me. Bijan looks like a terrific young player, and yes the difference between a stud like (what he projects to be) and JAG playing the position is absolutely worth a half a percentage point of the cap. I'm flabbergasted that folks worry about spending 2 or 3 million extra of the cap at the position.

In the end we didn't overpay for a RB, and I think Carter was absoultely the right pick.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

The Eagles spend ~5M per year on the RB position. That's total. Not just for one guy.

Yeah I think at this point we can safely say we aren't going to be adding to the RB room. Maybe maybe we draft Charbonnet? I just don't see it though. Really really REALLY want to get Branch somehow, maybe trade for Budda Baker? Gonna beat that drum until it's locked in that we are NOT getting him. Cody Mauch is a guy I got my eye on. Hyatt or Mims as the slot guy in maybe round 3?

Running backs are a dime a dozen. If you really want to add another guy to the room, see if Detroit will give you D'Andre Swift for one of your 7th rounders.

 

[JetMaxx]

Achane @ 62 or 66 would be a dream come true. He would be insane behind this OL

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Running backs are a dime a dozen. If you really want to add another guy to the room, see if Detroit will give you D'Andre Swift for one of your 7th rounders.

And honestly, there's a good chance the guy we pick can be better than him anyway. It's fairly obvious Detroit hates him and what does he bring to the table? Just draft a RB and see who else is hanging around looking for a cheap deal in FA but I wouldnt part with anything for a RB at this time

 

[The Noid]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

The Eagles spend ~5M per year on the RB position. That's total. Not just for one guy.

Sigh. So 5 or 6 million 3 years from now is a significant raise from this 5 or 6 million total now?

Look....I was hesitant on using pick 10 on him (honestly had some hope we might move back 5 picks or so and pick up value and still get him)...I totally get that RB values in general are lower then they were even just 10 years ago let alone 25-30 years ago. But talking about 6 million being too much for a RB while accepting paying another guy 50 million is crazy to me. Bijan looks like a terrific young player, and yes the difference between a stud like (what he projects to be) and JAG playing the position is absolutely worth a half a percentage point of the cap. I'm flabbergasted that folks worry about spending 2 or 3 million extra of the cap at the position.

In the end we didn't overpay for a RB, and I think Carter was absoultely the right pick.

I think a key factor being overlooked in this discussion is the 2nd contract. That’s when a high-profile RB becomes expensive and usually cost prohibitive or crippling. So they are very unlikely to get one with the team that drafted them , and if they do, that team usually regrets it.

Whereas, if you use that draft pick resource on a position you will gladly re-sign to another contract (or even a 3rd one down the line) and pay market price for, it’s measurably a more valuable use of resources.

 

[The Noid]

The outcome of last night’s First Round was pretty much the ONLY scenario with us not getting Bijan that could still unite all of Philadelphia to be satisfied today.

Anything else, and we would still be wasting time and energy on lamenting the loss of Bijan.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The outcome of last night’s First Round was pretty much the ONLY scenario with us not getting Bijan that could still unite all of Philadelphia to be satisfied today.

Anything else, and we would still be wasting time and energy on lamenting the loss of Bijan.

I think the Falcons taking him before our pick relieved us of that issue. As much as people wanted him I dont think they wanted to trade up and get him.

What happened last night is a reason why I stopped even looking at mocks. If someone had that they'd be ridiculed beyond belief lol

 

[Snotbubbles]

The outcome of last night’s First Round was pretty much the ONLY scenario with us not getting Bijan that could still unite all of Philadelphia to be satisfied today.

Anything else, and we would still be wasting time and energy on lamenting the loss of Bijan.

I think the Falcons taking him before our pick relieved us of that issue. As much as people wanted him I dont think they wanted to trade up and get him.

What happened last night is a reason why I stopped even looking at mocks. If someone had that they'd be ridiculed beyond belief lol

trapdogg was all over Bijan to the Falcons in his mock.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I am super pumped about the Eagles 1st round. Is it too much to ask for Branch to drop to them at 62?

That would be downright filthy. Pipe dream, but it is a nice one.

I'll be happy with any one of these guys still available: Branch, Kelee Ringo, Drew Sanders LB Arkansas, Dawand Jones RT tOSU, Antonio Johnson S Texas A&M.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

yes the difference between a stud like (what he projects to be) and JAG playing the position is absolutely worth a half a percentage point of the cap

Agree

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Has there ever been a dynamic where an entire unit has all played at a high level in college together let alone won titles? At any position? I can't remember any group having 3 players from the same school let alone the same years they were all there.

Closest thing I can think of was Kendricks & Barr to Minnesota from UCLA in back to back years. Both were phenoms as Bruins and as Vikes. But not three players, which by the way is 4 players with Dean.

Speaking of UCLA, Charbonnet would be a great fit here as a better version of Jordan Howard paired with Penny/Gainwell. He'd easily take over those goal line carries from Hurts with confidence. If he gets into the third round, it's value+++. I still don't understand how Sermon would fit into the room, so if he's slated for a role then probably no RB drafted at all. But one can hope.

 

[Bankerguy]

Nice work fellas. You must all be pleased.

 

[Insein]

62 and 66 today. Expect Howie to move one or both of those to get some extra picks for tomorrow.

 

[Terpman22]

62 and 66 today. Expect Howie to move one or both of those to get some extra picks for tomorrow.

Budda! Budda! BUDDA! Lets get it dooooooone Howieeeeeeee

pardon my excitement

 

[Insein]

62 and 66 today. Expect Howie to move one or both of those to get some extra picks for tomorrow.

Budda! Budda! BUDDA! Lets get it dooooooone Howieeeeeeee

pardon my excitement

Im thinking Budda might cost them a 2024 2nd at this point.

 

[Terpman22]

62 and 66 today. Expect Howie to move one or both of those to get some extra picks for tomorrow.

Budda! Budda! BUDDA! Lets get it dooooooone Howieeeeeeee

pardon my excitement

Im thinking Budda might cost them a 2024 2nd at this point.

I'd see no reason to not make it happen. Maybe a 3rd and Derek Barnett??? New contract would also be a hurdle, but I think we all see this team as a "Win Now" roster so might as well swing I say.

 

[Insein]

62 and 66 today. Expect Howie to move one or both of those to get some extra picks for tomorrow.

Budda! Budda! BUDDA! Lets get it dooooooone Howieeeeeeee

pardon my excitement

Im thinking Budda might cost them a 2024 2nd at this point.

I'd see no reason to not make it happen. Maybe a 3rd and Derek Barnett??? New contract would also be a hurdle, but I think we all see this team as a "Win Now" roster so might as well swing I say.

Absolutely. Cardinals are building for the future so it would make sense for them as well.

 

[Deamon]

Do we have a new BDN on our team now?

https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1651735077598928897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1651735077598928897%7Ctwgr%5E551a54f66af6747edbde6e3cd7240cf3c968bb4c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https://dailysnark.com/2023/04/27/nfl-network-draft-reporter-accidentally-says-jalen-carter-has-a-big-dck-live-on-air/&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

 

[babydemon90]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

The Eagles spend ~5M per year on the RB position. That's total. Not just for one guy.

Yeah I think at this point we can safely say we aren't going to be adding to the RB room. Maybe maybe we draft Charbonnet? I just don't see it though. Really really REALLY want to get Branch somehow, maybe trade for Budda Baker? Gonna beat that drum until it's locked in that we are NOT getting him. Cody Mauch is a guy I got my eye on. Hyatt or Mims as the slot guy in maybe round 3?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they draft a RB in the midrounds.

 

[Amused to Death]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they draft a RB in the midrounds.

It wouldn't surprise me either, but I'd rather see some DBs and OTs added. Go bargain hunting for RBs after the draft with UDFAs or cut veterans.

 

[DJackson10]

Now I want Howie to trade a 7th for D'Andre Swift.

Lions General Manager Brad Holmes sounded on Thursday night like he’d be open to trading Swift.

“He’s still on our roster,” Holmes said of Swift. “He’s still part of our team. He’s still under contract with us. He’s a dynamic football player. It hasn’t really changed the math there yet, but it’s early.”

Bring Swift home. He and Zaccheus were teammates at The prep

 

[Insein]

And where did Swift go to college?

 

[DJackson10]

I honestly think people are overrating this guy a ton. I'm not saying he's not a good player but people are acting like he's a once in a lifetime talent. I've seen this take too many times in the NBA draft only for mist of those players never live up to that potential. He's also coming from the Big12 conference which IMHO is like an arena football league or backyard forrtball conference. Its not known for it's defense. If this guy came from the SEC or B1G conference or even the ACC I'd give a lot more thought to it. We also don't do well drafting players skill wise from the Big12. Hurts is an SEC player more so then a Big12 guy.

People are also forgetting ATL needs an RB. Yes people are mocking OL to them but in typical ATL fashion they usually go in the opposite of what people think. I could see them taking Robinson at 7 honestly.

And I just saw something on CSN Chicago that a Redditor who broke the DJ Moore CHI trade is now saying they've heard CHI is likely to take Bijan.

Either way my point is a lot of this Bijan talk could be all moot by our Pick tomorrow night

I don't see the point of taking him, but I won't be upset if the Eagles do.

The point of taking him is that we would immediately be the best offense in the league. He would be BPA where we draft. And he fills a need. Anyone feeling like Penny can make up the 275-300 carries we got from Miles is fooling themselves.

Eagles will use a RBBC approach to the carries. Gainwell barely got any carries in the regular season and then in the playoffs was splitting carries 50/50 with Sanders. My best guess is the Eagles will use the same approach this season. Gainwell will get increased production from 53 carries in 2022 to ~175-200 carries in 2023. They're probably hoping Penny can stay healthy give them maybe ~125-150 carries. Boston Scott will eat up the rest.

It makes much more sense to get a defensive player and use a later pick on a RB than use the #10 pick on a RB and blow up your cap space budget on the position at RB going forward. Like I said, I don't see the point of doing that, but I won't be upset.

Why would you blow up your cap space?

Because if you draft Robinson at 10 you're paying $4M, $5M, $6M, and then $7M for the running back position. They are usually around the $3-5M range for RB spending. So they're blowing (and in years 3 and 4 going over) their entire budget on one guy.

Looking at future years, they're going to have some rather substantial dead money hits for older guys they kicked the can on coming up during this rookie contract (Cox, Slay, Kelce, etc.). It's prudent to draft positions that the NFL values more at the top of the draft (QB, DL, OL) than a position that is undervalued in the NFL. If you feel strongly that you need a #1 RB type, they are available every offseason for cheap. Miles Sanders cap hit for 2023 will be $2.5M and the Eagles balked.

6 million is NOT blowing up any budget, regardless of position. I find that thought odd and confusing. It's ok to spend 50 million on one guy, but 5 or 6 million on another stud is too much?

The RB pendulum has swung far far too far. He's well worth a first. Is he worth the 10 pick? Maybe....I certainly wouldn't be upset.

There's really no evidence a RB makes a difference on a SB team. The only one for his drafted team since 05 to have made a direct impact on his team getting there is Todd Gurley. You could argue Sony Michel in the same SB but he wasn't even the starting RB on his team that year.

Think of it like a fantasy draft. Would you draft a QB (Mahomes) in the first round because he's the best or wait till round 6 or 7 because they're the 5-10th best and will still get you decent scoring while you can fill out your roster with better players at other positions?

Emmitt Smith might disagree. Trends are trends until they aren't trends anymore. Our current RB's are Penny, who is always hurt, Scott who is not a bellcow guy, and Gainwell, who, despite having the best offensive line in football, has averaged 4.3 and 4.5 YPC the past 2 years. There's plenty evidence out there for teams that have 2 great WR's a really good tight end and a really good RB that the offense is VERY hard to stop. Think about the Marshall Faulk Rams and the Edgerrin James Colts

Emmitt Smith played in a non-salary cap era. Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.

Also, to those who don't think going over your budget by $6M isn't a big deal...It's the difference between having Reed Blankenship at S or CJGJ.

good grief....6 million isn't even going over the (NON EXISTENT) budget by 6 million. What's the budget for a decent starting RB? ZERO?

We didn't go there anyway, but I say again the pendulum has swung a ridiculously long way in the "RBs don't matter" direction

They matter they just aren't bell cows anymore. The avg career of an NFL RB is barely 3 yrs. Meanwhile you can get a OL or DL or WR or QB high and could be there for the next decade. So how would you want to use your economical resources? Let me ask you this. Are DAL and NYG any better then they were before taking Zeke and Saquan because my answer would be about the same or worse now that all that money is loaded up on that position.

 

[DJackson10]

Overall very very happy with last night. Was a little worried about Carter a few weeks ago but seemed like he did well with interviews and discussions privately and this team should be able to handle him.
Wasn't particularly happy to move up though. Everyone thinks a 4 isn't a lot to move....but it was ONE PICK up. The cost to move up in the first round of the NFL draft is prohibitively ridiculous in general. But it was for a great player and it wasn't as much as other teams seem to pay for just a spot or 2 in the first

They got a ton of picks next year plus more comp picks coming in 24. I'm just glad we gave up nothing from this year.