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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (5 Viewers)

I look at last season and ask myself “would the Steelers have beaten the Chiefs in the wildcard game last year if Rodgers was the quarterback” and the answer I come back with is “not a chance”.

Because if that I don’t see any point paying a kings ransom in draft picks and cap space to get him.

This is a very bad idea

 
I look at last season and ask myself “would the Steelers have beaten the Chiefs in the wildcard game last year if Rodgers was the quarterback” and the answer I come back with is “not a chance”.

Because if that I don’t see any point paying a kings ransom in draft picks and cap space to get him.

This is a very bad idea
Yeah, if they get him they would not likely be able to add much else to the team.

 
I look at last season and ask myself “would the Steelers have beaten the Chiefs in the wildcard game last year if Rodgers was the quarterback” and the answer I come back with is “not a chance”.

Because if that I don’t see any point paying a kings ransom in draft picks and cap space to get him.

This is a very bad idea
Not saying they should add him, but this is a false premise IMO- they likely wouldn't have been playing the Chiefs in the wildcard game last year if Rodgers was the quarterback.

 
Not saying they should add him, but this is a false premise IMO- they likely wouldn't have been playing the Chiefs in the wildcard game last year if Rodgers was the quarterback.


Maybe but they weren't going to beat the Bengals for the division so they would have been a wildcard team regardless and would have had to play the highest seeded team.   The point is that putting Rodgers on the 2021 Steelers team wouldn't have gotten them to the Super Bowl.

The Steelers need to drastically improve the offensive line, fix the run defense and get additional help in the secondary.   Do that in 2022 and take your lumps with Rudolph, Haskins and whatever veteran QB you can get at a reasonable price.   Next season they will likely be drafting higher and have much more room under the cap to fill in the remaining holes.

On the other hand if you trade a couple #1s and blow cap space on Rodgers you have a great but aging diva QB behind a crappy offensive line with no running game and no one to throw the ball to plus a defense that can't stop the run and has a bad secondary.

 
Maybe but they weren't going to beat the Bengals for the division so they would have been a wildcard team regardless and would have had to play the highest seeded team.   The point is that putting Rodgers on the 2021 Steelers team wouldn't have gotten them to the Super Bowl.

The Steelers need to drastically improve the offensive line, fix the run defense and get additional help in the secondary.   Do that in 2022 and take your lumps with Rudolph, Haskins and whatever veteran QB you can get at a reasonable price.   Next season they will likely be drafting higher and have much more room under the cap to fill in the remaining holes.

On the other hand if you trade a couple #1s and blow cap space on Rodgers you have a great but aging diva QB behind a crappy offensive line with no running game and no one to throw the ball to plus a defense that can't stop the run and has a bad secondary.
The run D could be fixed by injury recovery. The secondary could lose Edmunds and Haden and be a disaster. 

 
Maybe but they weren't going to beat the Bengals for the division so they would have been a wildcard team regardless and would have had to play the highest seeded team.   The point is that putting Rodgers on the 2021 Steelers team wouldn't have gotten them to the Super Bowl.

The Steelers need to drastically improve the offensive line, fix the run defense and get additional help in the secondary.   Do that in 2022 and take your lumps with Rudolph, Haskins and whatever veteran QB you can get at a reasonable price.   Next season they will likely be drafting higher and have much more room under the cap to fill in the remaining holes.

On the other hand if you trade a couple #1s and blow cap space on Rodgers you have a great but aging diva QB behind a crappy offensive line with no running game and no one to throw the ball to plus a defense that can't stop the run and has a bad secondary.
You don’t think Rodgers is a one game improvement over Ben? 

 
The run D could be fixed by injury recovery. The secondary could lose Edmunds and Haden and be a disaster. 


It would definitely help if Alualu comes back healthy although he is getting long in the tooth.   The situation with Tuitt sounds like it is still up in the air and even if he returns you have to wonder how effective he will be and let's face it, he wasn't Mr. Reliable even before last season.  I really think they need to draft or sign someone to clog the middle.

The secondary is definitely a concern.  Signing Witherspoon would help but they still need to fill the holes left by Edmunds and Haden.

 
Sure but even if that was the case and the Steelers won the division do you think they could have beaten the Bengals, Chiefs or Bills?  I sure don't.
I really don’t know. If you had asked in December I wouldn’t have expected the bengals to beat the chiefs. 

 
The Steelers have met with a ton of OL and Secondary players at the Combine, it will be very interesting to see how the pre-draft visits/pro-days work out. They also met with Linderbaum, which some people wrote off because of the support they have shown for Green. 

My early hope of Sauce Gardner feels like a pipe dream now, but they did meet with him at the combine. 

Also, with Jordan Davis' 40 yard dash I think there's no way he lasts until 20. I don't think the 40 is as important for D-linemen, but it just shows his freak athleticism. 

 
I really don’t know. If you had asked in December I wouldn’t have expected the bengals to beat the chiefs. 
I agree although when you look at the two games the Steelers played the Chiefs and the two against the Bengals it is tough seeing them win regardless of QB.

 
Maybe but they weren't going to beat the Bengals for the division so they would have been a wildcard team regardless and would have had to play the highest seeded team.   The point is that putting Rodgers on the 2021 Steelers team wouldn't have gotten them to the Super Bowl.

The Steelers need to drastically improve the offensive line, fix the run defense and get additional help in the secondary.   Do that in 2022 and take your lumps with Rudolph, Haskins and whatever veteran QB you can get at a reasonable price.   Next season they will likely be drafting higher and have much more room under the cap to fill in the remaining holes.

On the other hand if you trade a couple #1s and blow cap space on Rodgers you have a great but aging diva QB behind a crappy offensive line with no running game and no one to throw the ball to plus a defense that can't stop the run and has a bad secondary.
How can you say that with any certainty when they finished 1/2 game behind the Bengals for the division? Heck, if you take Rodgers off of GB and put him on the Steelers it's likely that game has a different outcome right there. I know, Cincy didn't really try to win their last game, but it's not like they finished 5 games behind. Likewise, you can't say they wouldn't have made the Super Bowl when pretty much no one expected the Bengals to get there either. Anything can happen when you get to the post season.

I know they have lots of holes and it's a legit argument whether bringing Rodgers in would be the smart move, I was just pointing out that things would have been different if he had been in Pitt so you can't say "they wouldn't have won the wildcard game even with him". It doesn't work that way, that's faulty logic.

 
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How can you say that with any certainty when they finished 1/2 game behind the Bengals for the division? Heck, if you take Rodgers off of GB and put him on the Steelers it's likely that game has a different outcome right there. I know, Cincy didn't really try to win their last game, but it's not like they finished 5 games behind. Likewise, you can't say they wouldn't have made the Super Bowl when pretty much no one expected the Bengals to get there either. Anything can happen when you get to the post season.

I know they have lots of holes and it's a legit argument whether bringing Rodgers in would be the smart move, I was just pointing out that things would have been different if he had been in Pitt so you can't say "they wouldn't have won the wildcard game even with him". It doesn't work that way, that's faulty logic.


All legit points except the Steelers defense proved in 4 games it was unable to stop the Bengals or Chiefs offense.   As great as Rodgers is he wasn't going to make up for that and the lack of a decent offensive line and a WR corps that was average at best. 

I find it very unlikely the 2021 Steelers with Aaron Rodgers would have been in the Super Bowl especially after Rodgers failed to beat the 49ers with a much better Green Bay Packers team at home.

Obviously the Steelers would be a better team in 2022 with Aaron Rodgers than any other QB they have on the roster, could pick up as an UFA or draft but anything less than a Super Bowl victory would make trading for him a bad decision IMO.

 
It would definitely help if Alualu comes back healthy although he is getting long in the tooth.   The situation with Tuitt sounds like it is still up in the air and even if he returns you have to wonder how effective he will be and let's face it, he wasn't Mr. Reliable even before last season.  I really think they need to draft or sign someone to clog the middle.

The secondary is definitely a concern.  Signing Witherspoon would help but they still need to fill the holes left by Edmunds and Haden.
I would like to see them sign a NT. I think if the draft someone on the DL it us likely to be a project. The guys I can see going high did too well at the combine.

 
Mike Clay's positional rankings, note the grades of each team's QB position.

LINK to chart 📊

According to Clay, Pittsburgh has the 3rd lowest QB grade.

The good news is that Mason Rudolph as a 'winning' record as a starter, 5-4.

The bad news is that in all-five wins he needed the defense to keep the opponent at 13 or less points.

I'm pretty certain that QB will be addressed and that it will come in the form of a 1st round pick or significant FA dollars because IMHO, they can't hold steady with the QBs they have and expect to win.

 
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Mike Clay's positional rankings, note the grades of each team's QB position.

LINK to chart 📊

According to Clay, Pittsburgh has the 3rd lowest QB grade.

The good news is that Mason Rudolph as a 'winning' record as a starter, 5-4.

The bad news is that in all-five wins he needed the defense to keep the opponent at 13 or less points.

I'm pretty certain that QB will be addressed and that it will come in the form of a 1st round pick or significant FA dollars because IMHO, they can't hold steady with the QBs they have and expect to win.


Mason isn't the answer, unless there is something about the way the offense was set up holding him back.  Haskins has all of the arm talent -- maybe the year off and in the system helps him.  I think we need to bring in a FA for sure -- not sure about spending a 1st on any QB though, but if one of the "names" slips to us in the 2nd take a shot.  And let's see what shakes out.  

 
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They are saying Trubiski could be $10MM/year?
Similar contract to what Foles, Dalton, Fitzpatrick got last year. Makes sense but I'd be hesitant. It's still way cheaper than real starter QB money like Jimmy G ($25+) or Carson Wentz ($28+). 

 
If Mitch is seriously getting 10+ million per, I guess I'll be the first to welcome Malik Willis and Tyrod Taylor to the 2022 Steelers. 

Far more likely that this front office does something like that in my opinion.  Takes their shot on  whichever rookie they think has the highest potential( which I assume for them is Willis) and bring in some veteran retread to "be the third qb"...who probably ends up beating out all of the incumbents to start at the beginning of the year while they let the new dude develop for a season.

 
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Has anyone seen a complete list of players the Steelers actually interviewed over the weekend? I've seen a handful of names mentioned on Twitter but I'm quite certain it wasn't a complete list.

 
People are still pushing the Aaron to the Steelers rumors, but it seems like any media personnel with actual team sources are all saying that's a bunch of BS. 

 
Lots of OL, Secondary, WRs, and QBs. Almost exactly in-line with what we should expect. A bit surprised that no d-linemen are listed. Not sure if this means they're not interested or if they think some combo of Heyward/Tuitt/Alualu/Wormley/Adams/Loudermilk is enough. Personally, I'd think having one of the worst run D's in the NFL would warrant adding new pieces there, but maybe not. Tuitt is also in the final year of his contract, he's been injured for a decent portion of it, I would be shocked if they extend him. But if we get through the draft and no d-linemen are added, I would then be surprised if they didn't extend him. 

 
If Mitch is seriously getting 10+ million per, I guess I'll be the first to welcome Malik Willis and Tyrod Taylor to the 2022 Steelers. 

Far more likely that this front office does something like that in my opinion.  Takes their shot on  whichever rookie they think has the highest potential( which I assume for them is Willis) and bring in some veteran retread to "be the third qb"...who probably ends up beating out all of the incumbents to start at the beginning of the year while they let the new dude develop for a season.
I just don't understand the Willis talk. No chance he is there at 20.

 
Lots of OL, Secondary, WRs, and QBs. Almost exactly in-line with what we should expect. A bit surprised that no d-linemen are listed. Not sure if this means they're not interested or if they think some combo of Heyward/Tuitt/Alualu/Wormley/Adams/Loudermilk is enough. Personally, I'd think having one of the worst run D's in the NFL would warrant adding new pieces there, but maybe not. Tuitt is also in the final year of his contract, he's been injured for a decent portion of it, I would be shocked if they extend him. But if we get through the draft and no d-linemen are added, I would then be surprised if they didn't extend him. 
I was interested in seeing DL in the draft, but I have come around on this. If there is a steal available, then sure, but otherwise there are bigger needs. 

 
I just don't understand the Willis talk. No chance he is there at 20.
Probably not, so feel free to fill in the blank with whomever you think a) will be there, and b) they're "excited" enough about to burn a first on.   (There is always a chance they could go "full retahd" and trade up if they're totally ga-ga over a guy.)

Them taking an angle of "we are dead set on going QB early, as well as bringing in a middling vet via FA" seems more like something they'd do than "Okay, fine. We're going to get into a bidding war to pay Mitch Trubisky 11-12 million a season." or "Hey, let's trade 4 years worth of picks for Aaron Rodgers."  That was my bigger point.

 

 
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Also wanted to re-iterate....I'm am not politicking for them to do any of those things. 

I personally still hope they just punt on QB totally in this draft, go ahead and explore some middling option to press/challenge Rudolph via FA, and just take your kicks to the nads for a year while you build up the lines/depth for '23.

So much smoke about quarterback with them though, plus the way they're talking they are clearly not going to just accept a "lost season", I cannot feel good about the chances they aren't blowing a high pick on one until after we get past their first selection in a couple of months. :)

 
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Probably not, so feel free to fill in the blank with whomever you think a) will be there, and b) they're "excited" enough about to burn a first on.   (There is always a chance they could go "full retahd" and trade up if they're totally ga-ga over a guy.)

Them taking an angle of "we are dead set on going QB early, as well as bringing in a middling vet via FA" seems more like something they'd do than "Okay, fine. We're going to get into a bidding war to pay Mitch Trubisky 11-12 million a season." or "Hey, let's trade 4 years worth of picks for Aaron Rodgers."  That was my bigger point.

 
I hope it is Ridder.

 
Also wanted to re-iterate....I'm am not politicking for them to do any of those things. 

I personally still hope they just punt on QB totally in this draft, go ahead and explore some middling option to press/challenge Rudolph via FA, and just take your kicks to the nads for a year while you build up the lines/depth for '23.

So much smoke about quarterback with them though, plus the way they're talking they are clearly not going to just accept a "lost season", I cannot feel good about the chances they aren't blowing a high pick on one until after we get past their first selection in a couple of months. :)
This was originally my stance, but I have come around to the idea they need to draft a QB. Any team that doesn't have a franchise QB needs to take as many shots at getting one as possible until they succeed. 

 
I hope it is Ridder.
I hope they shoot the hostage. :)

I am becoming more convinced by the week theyre going QB in the first though, no matter what it takes (trading, reaching, whatever).  Not their typical M.O., but Colbert is on the way out so who knows.

This was originally my stance, but I have come around to the idea they need to draft a QB. Any team that doesn't have a franchise QB needs to take as many shots at getting one as possible until they succeed. 
I can totally understand that line of thinking, but I also kind of feel like that is potentially "throwing good picks after bad" for several years for the likes of someone who may only amount to something more akin to "servicable short/mid term starter" rather than "franchise QB."   2nd or later on those guys?  Sure.  Firsts?  Ehhhh.....

Next year's class looks so much better, I would hate for them to take a guy super early this year and then feel obligated to pass on a better option in '23 because "we just burnt a first on Player X last year."

 
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If the guy they like (Willis, Pickett, Corral) is there at #20 then I'll be okay with it, I just don't want them trading up. 

Even better would be waiting a bit to take Ridder, Strong or Howell but my preference is to avoid drafting a QB at all this year.  

 
If the guy they like (Willis, Pickett, Corral) is there at #20 then I'll be okay with it, I just don't want them trading up. 

Even better would be waiting a bit to take Ridder, Strong or Howell but my preference is to avoid drafting a QB at all this year.  
I think at least 1 of the top 6 QBs falls to our pick in the 3rd round and that we should just wait and take whoever is left (if they're dead set on taking a QB). 

 
I hope they shoot the hostage. :)

I am becoming more convinced by the week theyre going QB in the first though, no matter what it takes (trading, reaching, whatever).  Not their typical M.O., but Colbert is on the way out so who knows.

I can totally understand that line of thinking, but I also kind of feel like that is potentially "throwing good picks after bad" for several years for the likes of someone who may only amount to something more akin to "servicable short/mid term starter" rather than "franchise QB."   2nd or later on those guys?  Sure.  Firsts?  Ehhhh.....

Next year's class looks so much better, I would hate for them to take a guy super early this year and then feel obligated to pass on a better option in '23 because "we just burnt a first on Player X last year."
Unless you see something really good out of your pick, you keep drafting QBs. 

Next year will have some good high end guys, but the Steelers will likely be drafting too late again to have a shot.

 
I think at least 1 of the top 6 QBs falls to our pick in the 3rd round and that we should just wait and take whoever is left (if they're dead set on taking a QB). 
There is a huge drop between 5 and 6. Strong is not a good choice. He is Mason with bad knees. I would be shocked if any of the top 5 are available with the Steelers 2nd pick.

 
If the guy they like (Willis, Pickett, Corral) is there at #20 then I'll be okay with it, I just don't want them trading up. 

Even better would be waiting a bit to take Ridder, Strong or Howell but my preference is to avoid drafting a QB at all this year.  
Howell and Ridder are both better than Corral and Pickett. 

 
There is a huge drop between 5 and 6. Strong is not a good choice. He is Mason with bad knees. I would be shocked if any of the top 5 are available with the Steelers 2nd pick.
That's fair, but as someone with a really low opinion of this draft class I currently view picking a QB as a wasted pick. So I'd rather waste a 3rd than a 1st. These QBs are not great, they're ok to solid. People are talking themselves into them because QBs are pundits' favorite topic, but again, in an average year these QBs would be 2nd rounders at best. 

I think that the Steelers probably take a QB in the 1st, and I will root for them to be much better than I think they are, but to me it's Edmunds/Burns all over again. Picking a position instead of a player. We have a top 20 pick so we should pick a top 20 talent, not reach because of a need. Every team needs a franchise QB to sustain success, but you put a QB in a much better position to succeed if you surround them with talent instead of plopping them behind a bad O-line with a defense that can't stop the run. 

The top 20 players include some combo of: Evan Neal, Aiden Hutchinson, Ickey Ekwonu, Kyle Hamilton, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley Jr., George Karlaftis, Charles Cross, Devin Lloyd, Tyler Linderbaum, Garrett Wilson, Andrew Booth Jr., Jordan Davis, Travon Walker, Jermaine Johnson, Jameson Williams, David Ojabo, Trevor Penning, Zion Johnson (opinions on this top 20 vary). There are a lot of pass rushers which aren't an impending need with Highsmith playing well, but the more pass rushers that go ahead of us the better. I still want Jordan Davis, but at this point I'd be surprised if he made it past the Ravens, and if he goes to the Ravens he'll be owning the center of our line for years to come. 

 
Well it looks like Rodgers was blowing smoke up everyone's butt to try to crate pressure on the Packers to complete a deal.

Glad for the Packers but especially glad he won't be a Steeler.

 
Well now looks like Russell Wilson won't be a Steelers as well as he is being traded to Broncos.  Yeah for all these people who thought they had nothing to worry about these last 4 hours have been brutal.    Now we are on the Jimmy G and Jordan Love train 🤔

 
Broncos has agreed to trade quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, defensive lineman Shelby Harris, two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a fifth-round pick to the Seahawks for Wilson and a fourth-round pick, sources said.

Glad we stayed out of the bidding.  That is a lot.

 
Well now looks like Russell Wilson won't be a Steelers as well as he is being traded to Broncos.  Yeah for all these people who thought they had nothing to worry about these last 4 hours have been brutal.    Now we are on the Jimmy G and Jordan Love train 🤔
The Steelers were never trading for Wilson or Rodgers.  Not really.  They don't have the draft capital required.

Can't imagine they'll touch Garoppolo since he can't throw a football for the next 16 weeks.

If they really want Jordan Love (they probably shouldn't), if they wait a couple days they can prolly have him for a warm IC Light and a half-eaten #2 from Primanti's (no fried egg though). :)

 

 
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Getting heavier and heavier "Tyrod Taylor" vibes for our heroes with each passing day, I'm afraid. :)

Actually, all Taylor schtick aside, in looking over the available "mediocre vet presence" types out there at QB, I think I've deduced who the "vet" they bring is is gonna be (Disclaimer: Not politicking for this. Just playing "Carnak", cuz WTF not?): 

Jacoby Brissett.   

Why him?  Three things: 

1.  Prolly wind up being pretty cheap, comparatively speaking 

2. Prolly won't make a ton of waves if/when a rookie they draft is inserted into the lineup in front of him, and would be a pretty good #2 in the event the rookie beat him out to start outright.

3.  Guess who was his OC his two best years in college after he transferred to play for the Wolf Pack?

 
Our opponents in 2022 are:

  • Home: Ravens, Bengals, Browns, Raiders, Pats, Jets, Saints, Bucs
  • Away: Ravens, Bengals, Browns, Falcons, Bills, Panthers, Colts, Dolphins, Eagles
At this point, I feel like I've been so beaten down by everyone saying that the Steelers need a QB that I just want the Steelers to give Mason a shot. I don't think he's the long term answer, but he went 5-3 as a starter in 2019 when Ben went down, and I think he gives us a similar shot to all these scrubs that people are saying the Steelers should trade for or sign. Also, he costs us 0 additional money or picks that we could use to repair the offensive line, WR corps, and defense. 

Our schedule is nowhere near as difficult this upcoming year as it was last year. With Brady and Payton retiring, our games against the Bucs and Saints just got way easier. The Panthers, Colts, Jets, and Dolphins all have QB questions. I think the toughest games outside our division are definitely the Raiders and Bills, with the Pats as probably the 3rd hardest. Based on our record over the past 3 years, who we have on defense, and our coaching staff, I don't think it's crazy for Mason to get 10 wins next year. 

Draft BPA, Sign OL and Secondary, go hard after a QB in 2023. 

 
Bobby Wagner released by Seattle, are we interested? He's 31, but was still a significant playmaker for their team and the leader of the defense. Seems like a good player to pair with Bush. Not quite the same as Farrior who signed with the Steelers a bit younger, but could create the kind of atmosphere we want on Defense. Perhaps a 3-4 year contract. 

 
Bobby Wagner released by Seattle, are we interested? He's 31, but was still a significant playmaker for their team and the leader of the defense. Seems like a good player to pair with Bush. Not quite the same as Farrior who signed with the Steelers a bit younger, but could create the kind of atmosphere we want on Defense. Perhaps a 3-4 year contract. 
Not sure what he's got left in the tank but isn't Wagner an outside LB?

And as far as your Mason Rudolph take I agree although I also don't have a problem bringing in another vet to compete as long as the price is low.    I mean they are going to need to more arms for camp.

 

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