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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (2 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
This seems to be a well rounded mock. Note that Willis was available at #20 here, and Linderbaum went at #19. So perhaps the PFF site isn't up to date quite yet on player's values.
20. Bernhard Raimann - T, Central Michigan
52. Jalen Pitre - CB/S, Baylor
84. Leo Chemal - ILB, Wisconsin
138. Dontario Drummond - WR, Ole Miss
207. Otito Ogbonnia - NT, UCLA
221. Harry Miller - G, Ohio State
237. Eric Gray - RB, Oklahoma
20. Bernhard Raimann - T, Central Michigan
52. Jalen Pitre - CB/S, Baylor
84. Leo Chemal - ILB, Wisconsin
138. Dontario Drummond - WR, Ole Miss
207. Otito Ogbonnia - NT, UCLA
221. Harry Miller - G, Ohio State
237. Eric Gray - RB, Oklahoma
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
OK, last one until after the combine!
20. Devonte Wyatt - DL, Georgia
52. Carson Strong - QB, Nevada
84. Kellen Diesch - OT, ASU
138. Aaron Hansford - ILB, Texas A&M
207. Danny Gray - WR, SMU
221. Tycen Anderson - CB, Toledo
237. Luke Fortner - C/G, UK
20. Devonte Wyatt - DL, Georgia
52. Carson Strong - QB, Nevada
84. Kellen Diesch - OT, ASU
138. Aaron Hansford - ILB, Texas A&M
207. Danny Gray - WR, SMU
221. Tycen Anderson - CB, Toledo
237. Luke Fortner - C/G, UK
steelers1080
Footballguy
The Flores hire was interesting, apparently he called Tomlin for advice and ended up hired ~24 hours later. That explains why the news wasn't leaked before it happened, because there was only 2 guys in the loop until Tomlin went to the rest of the team staff.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Steelers projected to get a 4th round compensatory pick for Dupree
Also read a story speculating that the 49ers would trade Garoppolo to the Steelers for a fourth-round pick this year and a conditional pick that could become as high as a second-rounder next year.
Although he would be an improvement over Rudolph I don't like the trade. Garoppolo is a little better than average and he becomes a UFA in 2023.
Also read a story speculating that the 49ers would trade Garoppolo to the Steelers for a fourth-round pick this year and a conditional pick that could become as high as a second-rounder next year.
Although he would be an improvement over Rudolph I don't like the trade. Garoppolo is a little better than average and he becomes a UFA in 2023.
steelers1080
Footballguy
That's at least better than the article saying the Steelers should trade two 1st round picks for Derek Carr, also on the final year of his contract. I'm not saying a trade for Jimmy or Derek definitely won't happen, but I do think that teams trading for players in their final year is a bit dumb. You're going to have to pay that player a crap ton of money or risk trading picks for a one year rental. Those players have you over a barrel, see Brown in KC. They traded a 1st for him, they have to franchise him or sign him to whatever contract he wants basically for it not to be a terrible trade.
Our team is ready to compete for a playoff spot, that much is obvious because we made the playoffs this year with a QB who was shot and some terrible position groups. But this team is not a contender for a title. Trading for Jimmy G or Derek Carr might net the Steelers 1-2 more wins than starting Mason Rudolph, but they will cost precious picks and most of our current FA budget.
Also, Jimmy G has a big contract with very little dead money, the 49ers are probably going to cut him if he doesn't get traded. Just wait for him to get cut and offer $10 million instead of his current $25 million. He's been injured for most of his current contract, trading for him is asking for trouble.
All these articles hammering QB trades or QB in the 1st round are wearing me down. At this point I'm like "Give Mason a Chance!" even though I think he stinks.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sign Trubiski and have a 3-way battle. Colbert said they will have 4 QBs in camp -- not sure if that means Dobbs? Then if Mason loses, I think you have to cut him.
Boone22
Footballguy
I like this but I’d go a step further and try to sign both Trubiski and Marriota. Let the two of them battle it out with Rudolph and Haskins… Then cut Rudolph
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Godsbrother
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steelers1080
Footballguy
They had Duck Hodges in camp with Ben, Mason, and Dobbs. I'd bet that #4 is going to be a scrub and that they're really focused on who #1 is going to be. When actually listening to Colbert and Tomlin it makes me less sure they're going to waste the #1 pick on a 2nd round QB talent, but that could just be me holding out hope. Colbert stressed that they're looking for accurate QBs which does not describe Willis, the current favorite.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Jimmy G just does not seem like a Pittsburgh guy. I don't think he would necessarily stay if he had a big year.
I wouldn't lump Carr in with Jimmy G, or call him just a 1-2 win upgrade from Rudolph. If the price was the 20 pick, and like a 2023 2nd rounder, I'd be 100% on board. I'd very much argue the difference between Carr and 2021 Roethlisberger is bigger than the difference between Stafford and Goff was.
Carr is a good QB, he's done a lot with less than what he'd have in Pittsburgh. Carr's used to a bad OL, and had had worse weapons his entire career, other than maybe just 2015 and even that's debatable. He'd likely be a huge boon to Claypool(probably Freiermuth too) especially as he throws a solid deep ball, and has been doing it the last couple of years to guys like Zay Jones and Nelson Agholor, in addition to Henry Ruggs.
Carr is a good QB, he's done a lot with less than what he'd have in Pittsburgh. Carr's used to a bad OL, and had had worse weapons his entire career, other than maybe just 2015 and even that's debatable. He'd likely be a huge boon to Claypool(probably Freiermuth too) especially as he throws a solid deep ball, and has been doing it the last couple of years to guys like Zay Jones and Nelson Agholor, in addition to Henry Ruggs.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Way too much to give up for 1 year and I'm not sure I would want to pay the guaranteed cash he would want to extend.travdogg said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I think a trade for Jimmy G or Carr would only be made if they felt they were able to reach an agreement to extend before the 2022 season starts.Leeroy Jenkins said:
steelers1080
Footballguy
The mock drafts are already not interesting anymore. Every mock draft except for maybe 5% has the Steelers taking whatever QB is left whether that's Willis or Corral (most often), or Howell/Ridder/Strong even though there's a pretty big consensus that H/R/S should go very end of the 1st, if not 2nd or 3rd round.
This feels like Deja Freakin Vu, it's the 2018 draft all over again. Mock drafts had the Steelers taking Mason Rudolph in the 1st round even though he wasn't being given a 1st round grade. The Steelers had needs at Safety and WR which they tried to fix in the 1st and 2nd rounds (Edmunds and Washington). It could easily be true that the Steelers take Safety and WR again this year, but most people don't project Safety to be good value in the 1st (even though it wasn't in 2018).
I would not be shocked at all if we went Defense in round 1, WR in round 2 or 4, Carson Strong/Ridder in round 3, and CB/S in round 2 or 4.
This feels like Deja Freakin Vu, it's the 2018 draft all over again. Mock drafts had the Steelers taking Mason Rudolph in the 1st round even though he wasn't being given a 1st round grade. The Steelers had needs at Safety and WR which they tried to fix in the 1st and 2nd rounds (Edmunds and Washington). It could easily be true that the Steelers take Safety and WR again this year, but most people don't project Safety to be good value in the 1st (even though it wasn't in 2018).
I would not be shocked at all if we went Defense in round 1, WR in round 2 or 4, Carson Strong/Ridder in round 3, and CB/S in round 2 or 4.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
TBH, I would probably prefer that to them selecting a QB in the first at this point, and CERTAINLY would prefer it if it required them needing to trade up to select Pickett/Willis/et al.
If they went that route though, they absolutely must address the OL aggressively via FA.
In the long run, I don't think any of the available QBs are likely worth a top 20 pick, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. I'm ready to just get this nonsense out of the way so we can assess the aftermath.
steelers1080
Footballguy
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Yep, pretty much.
They've got the money to spend for the first time in forever, and while it's easy to forget since it's been so long they have shown the proclivity in the past to go after FAs on the OL when they needed them (Wolford, Gandy, Hartings, et al).
Obviously, there have to be players available worth courting, but this year's free-agent OL crop has some possibilities so I'm at least a bit hopeful that they'll consider going that route. (So does DB, which I also kind of hope they turn some of their FA resources toward, since they're clearly bloody awful at drafting them early).
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steelers1080
Footballguy
JC Jackson, Connor Williams, Tyrann Mathieu, most of the FA money spent. Then draft a OT, DT, WR, and ILB.
geneyus
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steelers1080
Footballguy
They're already under contract, and we have a crap ton of cap space starting in 2023. We're currently projected to have at least $126 million in cap space in 2023 if the salary cap stays at $208 million. We would need to sign additional players (19 under contract for 2023), so that actual figure is lower, but you get the general idea.
Also, Minkah is on his 5th year option, his cap hit could actually go down depending on how they structure his extension.
This team has a couple elder statesmen, but it's about to become one of the youngest teams in the NFL depending on who we sign in FA. This team is projected to go into 2022 with 4 players over 30 (Heyward, Alualu, Boswell, and John Simon), and Simon could get cut. A few players on the team are close to 30 and could get second contracts, like Wormley and Maulet, but other older players are expected to be let go like Ebron, Haden, Schobert, and possibly Tuitt.
The core of this team (outside Heyward and Bos) is 27 or younger which is excellent. Watt 27, Sutton 27, Witherspoon 26 (hopefully re-signed), Diontae 25, Fitzpatrick 25, and the rest on rookie deals.
For the first time in a long time this team is young and has a lot of cap space to spend, whoever is named the GM is going to have a blank slate to leave their impression, hopefully they craft this team well.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Everything that I have read and heard says the Steelers want Green at center and will not be moving him to Guard
steelers1080
Footballguy
Yeah, I think that they'll most likely add a OG and OT and keep Green/Dotson/Moore as starters.
steelers1080
Footballguy
This is the NFL rumor season, so what we're hearing is probably a bunch of bs, but recent rumors have popular pundits saying "I wouldn't be surprised if they went top 5 or fell to late 1st round" about both Kayvon Thibodeaux and Derek Stingley Jr.
If they fell to 20, are we running to the podium even though pass rusher isn't necessarily a need? CB is a need, but it's also concerning that he basically hardly played the last 2 years.
If they fell to 20, are we running to the podium even though pass rusher isn't necessarily a need? CB is a need, but it's also concerning that he basically hardly played the last 2 years.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Brent Sobleski@brentsobleskisteelers1080 said:
"Word right now is Pittsburgh is targeting Malik Willis ... I do know they like him an awful lot. As far as free agents, I am told they are targeting three signal-callers: Mitch Trubisky, Teddy Bridgewater, and Jameis Winston." #Steelers
steelers1080
Footballguy
I think this was first posted by Tony Pauline, and he didn't seem to have any sources. It was essentially another "Steelers have bad QB, need more QB" post.
Other people on twitter are saying Trubisky, but again, nobody saying they're hearing it from any sources. This all just seems to be speculation based on Mason isn't good, so they need to sign every mediocre free agent available.
I don't get the Trubisky hype at all. I feel like we just saw this movie. "A top-5 overall pick, who has made a good few plays amongst several bad plays, had a bad HC as a fall guy, but is ready to finally live up to expectations on a new team."
Trubisky=Darnold
Trubisky=Darnold
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I like Trubisky but at this point all of this talk is pure speculation. Things will get interesting in a couple of weeks though
Boone22
Footballguy
I get your take and agree with you but we could just as easily say…
Trubisky=Tannehill
I believe that’s why there’s optimism.
Tannehill's best was a ton better in Miami than Trubisky's was in Chicago. I will agree the lows were equally low, but Trubisky was pretty consistently bad, where as Tannehill was up and down.
If I'm the Steelers(or any QB needy team this offseason) I'm either swinging for the fences on a Rodgers/Watson/Wilson, settling for a Cousins/Carr, or just getting a rookie. I wouldn't be interested in trying to make the likes of Wentz, Winston, Teddy or Jimmy G work, let alone guys like Trubisky or Mariota.
Full disclosure, I wasn't a fan of the Tannehill move when it happened(not because of faith in Mariota either) and now I'm seemingly his biggest fan, but I very much believe he's the exception that proves the rule in this scenario.
steelers1080
Footballguy
My hype for Trubisky is that he got paid $2.5 million last year. If we can sign another QB for $4 million or less, which is possible if we give him a shot to compete for a starting position (I think), I support that because it's better than the alternatives.travdogg said:
I'm of the opinion that all the current options stink or are unrealistic, so I'd rather us go with the option that doesn't cost draft picks and is cheap. Instead of trading for Wentz or Garoppolo with expensive deals, or trading for Minshew (another meh QB), or signing Bridgewater/Winston who cost more this past year.
I don't think Trubisky is good, I just think he's cheap.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Mock Draft based on several rankings lists/7-round mocks of who could be available:
- Devin Lloyd, ILB, Utah - Strong, fast linebacker to pair with Bush and allow us to cut Schobert. Also, if we need to move on from Bush next year we have some stability. I think Bush still has a shot if we improve our D-line, but Lloyd would be a plug and play ILB.
- Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn St. - Great WR with solid open field ability. Our WR corps is very thin and we'll need to make additions.
- Martin Emerson, CB/S, Miss St - He's listed at CB, but could be more ideally suited to be a safety. We need additions in our secondary with the free agents headed out.
- Travis Jones, DT, UCONN - We need run stuffers and Travis Jones showed at the senior bowl that he's capable of going up some great O-line talent and winning consistently. He might go before the 4th, but NTs typically go lower than their talent indicates.
I don't hate the Lloyd pick, but really the need is a run stuffer, which hey can get much later. He would more be a replacement for Bush than a compliment. Taking a LB in the isn't is a luxury you can't afford with needs at QB, T, and CB
Dotson will not be there when the Steelers pick in the 2nd. I wouldn't hate picking him in the first.
Emerson would be a good 3rd round pick if available.
Jones has no shot to make it to the 4th. In the 4th Mathis could be there as an interior defender.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Nailed it IMO. Good quarterbacks are hard to find. Trubisky is almost like a draft pick at this point. He is still young…there is a chance Nagy held him back….and there is a chance that learning under Allen and the Bills staff that he progressed. He will want to go to a good organization and Pitt fills that. He would be a reasonable contract and either he ends up the “progressed” version or he is what he was in Chicago and you end up with a good pick.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
According to a passle of talking heads/pundits yapping on Twitter, "So far at the combine, teams are talking about Trubisky more than the '22 qb class."
Sooo, Mitch may well wind up costing more than one might think (which ive brought up for consideration prior. I still think he is a better target for "just money" over burning a 1st on any of these rookies though).
Sooo, Mitch may well wind up costing more than one might think (which ive brought up for consideration prior. I still think he is a better target for "just money" over burning a 1st on any of these rookies though).
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Apparently Malik Willis cannot remember all of the teams he has spoken to, and says the Steelers are good guys but he has no clue if he would be a good fit in the system. Pass.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I also want to pass, but it sounded like he was just being coy and not trying to reveal who all he talked to. He said he couldn't remember if he talked to the Steelers, but also said the coaches were good guys. And as far as being a good fit, he just said he wouldn't know because he doesn't know their scheme. That seems fair since none of us know the scheme since it's been altered to fit Ben as opposed to a mobile QB.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Watched the OL stuff at the combine today, which lead to me digging up senior bowl clips too. Trevor Penning is just an animal. Athletic, big, and has an enormous chip on his shoulder. He was putting ##### soundly into the dirt in Mobile, then showed pretty well in the footwork drills in Indy today.
His would not be a bad look in b&g.
Athletic, big, and has an enormous chip on his shoulder. He was putting ##### soundly into the dirt in Mobile, then showed pretty well in the footwork drills in Indy today.His would not be a bad look in b&g.
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I think he would be a great fit. He would be one of my potential targets if I were running he team. I am not sure he makes it to 20 at this point though.5-ish Finkle said:Watched the OL stuff at the combine today, which lead to me digging up senior bowl clips too. Trevor Penning is just an animal.
His would not be a bad look in b&g.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Ive liked him a little for a while, but took more of a shine when I heard the talking heads report that, when asked about playing at NI, he said "I was undersized, underrecruited, and underestimated. That was a mistake."
He may need a little work to be a top end guy on the left, but he looks like a guy you could put in ink as a starter at RT for the next decade and forget about it. Massive, can move, and works his ### off? Yes, please.
I don't think he is a LT, but the Steelers don't need a LT. I will also say that is a good reason not to draft a tackle in the first though.Ive liked him a little for a while, but took more of a shine when I heard the talking heads report that, when asked about playing at NI, he said "I was undersized, underrecruited, and underestimated. That was a mistake."
He may need a little work to be a top end guy on the left, but he looks like a guy you could put in ink as a starter at RT for the next decade and forget about it. Massive, can move, and works his ### off? Yes, please.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I am not convinced that Moore is a long term answer on the left yet, myself.
I don't think he is a star, but a competent LT is really valuable and I think he will clear that bar
Boone22
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
For a guy who is going to threaten to retire every year (possibly this year) and who is in the final year of his contract. I guess teams are trading for the 1 season and the hope that they can re-sign the guy, but trading for a player on the final year of their deal seems risky to me.
Look at Witherspoon, he was in the final year of his contract when we traded for him and now he might be a 1-year rental.
If it's a choice between this and trading up this year for Willis or Pickett, I'll go with Rodgers and hopefully have him for 3-4 years. I would think any team trading for him would sign him to a new deal.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If those are the only two choices, then yeah, you have to choose Rodgers.
I hope they do neither, honestly. Only way they get proper ROI on a trade like that is winning the SB in year one. Rodgers is essentially "year to year" at this point, plus there's all the narcissim/Twitter junk he drags with him. If anyone thought Ben was a drama queen (and he certainly could be one, esp early in the career) Aaron Rodgers sez "hold my beer."
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