He is no better than Mason, which is to say a reasonable backup, but a terrible starting optionGetting heavier and heavier "Tyrod Taylor" vibes for our heroes with each passing day, I'm afraid.
Actually, all Taylor schtick aside, in looking over the available "mediocre vet presence" types out there at QB, I think I've deduced who the "vet" they bring is is gonna be (Disclaimer: Not politicking for this. Just playing "Carnak", cuz WTF not?):
Jacoby Brissett.
Why him? Three things:
1. Prolly wind up being pretty cheap, comparatively speaking
2. Prolly won't make a ton of waves if/when a rookie they draft is inserted into the lineup in front of him, and would be a pretty good #2 in the event the rookie beat him out to start outright.
3. Guess who was his OC his two best years in college after he transferred to play for the Wolf Pack?
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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (3 Viewers)
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
No. Inside.
Even at 31 he'd instantly be their best run defender at ILB. Doesn't matter though, because they're not going to sign him.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Current rumors are Dallas, then Philly, then Baltimore. Hopefully he doesn't go to Baltimore, that would be one of those Vet signings they do that terrorize us for ~3 years, like Calais Campbell, Dumervil, Weddell, etc.
Wentz was traded to Washington so I guess the Colts could draft a QB now.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027095-carson-wentz-reportedly-traded-from-colts-to-commanders-for-2-3rd-round-picks
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027095-carson-wentz-reportedly-traded-from-colts-to-commanders-for-2-3rd-round-picks
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steelers1080
Footballguy
And Jimmy G rumored to Colts, hope it comes true to take 2 expensive but mediocre QBs off the market for the Steelers.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
geneyus
Footballguy
Steelers will role with the QB's they have on the roster and whomever they draft, which will likely be a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
If memory serves they'll only have 2 guys at QB under contract once the league calendar flips (pretty sure Dobbs only signed a one year deal), so they'll almost certainly be bringing in a couple guys via the draft/FA because they'll go to camp with 4 arms (they always do). Even if it's just some stiff like Dobbs again, they'll want someone there for camp reps if nothing else.
I expect it's going to be someone at least a little more than that, just because there has been way too much smoke from them and seemingly any draftable/tradable/signable quarterback ever since before the season even ended.
I know they're saying all the typical crap about Rudolph (and Haskins, I guess), but they've put out some pretty clear signals that they aren't necessarily satisfied going status quo. I hope it all winds up just noise and prefer they punt QB completely until 2023, but I don't think they share that preference.
Tyrod, bay-bee!! Book it!
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steelers1080
Footballguy
At this point I'm almost certain it will be Rudolph and a Rookie having the camp battle with 1 or 2 camp arms, probably rookie in the 1st round. The Steelers don't seem to have any sense of guile or covertness, they just make it plain obvious who they are interested in, and everyone mocks them that player come end of April. Right now it's all QBs all the time, so I'm pretty sure that's who it will be. One of Willis/Corral/Picket/Ridder/Howell. I don't like it, but that's what I think happens.
Rumor mill is trying to push Watson to the Steelers if his hearing goes well on Friday, but Gerry Dulac called that a bunch of BS.
Rumor mill is trying to push Watson to the Steelers if his hearing goes well on Friday, but Gerry Dulac called that a bunch of BS.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Also, Big Al retired today. F that guy. Makes backhanded comments about the Steelers right after he signs with their rivals. I'm glad we didn't re-sign him, and I'm glad he played like crap for the Ravens last year.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Lastly, read a rumor that Steelers might trade for Tremaine Edmunds, ILB, Buffalo Bills. Not sure if there's any fact behind it, but it would be interesting if they let one brother walk while trading for another.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
As it was for Rodgers, Wilson and Wentz. These reporters are just making up stories because they have nothing else.
I agree that it is going to be Rudolph, Haskins and a cap friendly veteran. I am hoping they don't draft a QB #1 but I have kind of resigned myself to the idea.
Just please don't trade up to get one.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Heard an interview with Shaun King about his announcement that the Steelers would be interested in Watson pending the grand jury Friday. It sounded like he has a source and isn't just blowing smoke, but that's not to say that his source is rock solid, who knows. Also, "pending the grand jury" is a huge asterisk. There's obviously significant character concerns, suspension concerns, and possibility of jail time.
On the field, he's a top 5 QB in the league and he's only 26, so football-wise it would be incredible to add him. It's not like trading for Rodgers, 38, or Wilson, 33, where the window is 2-6 years, or trading for Jimmy G/Wentz who are mediocre. Watson probably has 10+ years of football left (assuming he doesn't go to jail or get suspended indefinitely).
What would the trade actually look like that's doable? Maybe 2022 1st, 2023 1st, 2022 3rd, 2023 3rd, Chase Claypool, and one other player. Similar to the Wilson trade but slightly cheaper due to legal issues/Watson having trade veto power.
*Probably not going to happen, but crazier things have happened in the NFL
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes I saw that too although Dulac has emphasized that it will not happen.
While I would love to have the player I would not like cheering for that guy.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Gerry has had some hard takes in the past that turned out to be wrong, but I would assume he's more tied in to the Steelers than Shaun King. Though King might have more contacts that know Watson.
nightmare
Footballguy
I think The Steeler's best option is Mariota.
Jimmy G would wilt under that line.
Fitzpatrick would last maybe 2 games.
People forget how awful Trubisky was and I don't think Pitt
could redeem him.(maybe someone else could)
Someone mentioned T Taylor-does not throw into NFL windows nor does
he throw WR's open.
If I mentioned A Dalton, Steelers fans would revolt.
Jimmy G would wilt under that line.
Fitzpatrick would last maybe 2 games.
People forget how awful Trubisky was and I don't think Pitt
could redeem him.(maybe someone else could)
Someone mentioned T Taylor-does not throw into NFL windows nor does
he throw WR's open.
If I mentioned A Dalton, Steelers fans would revolt.
Watson has a fully guaranteed 2022 salary of $35M. In 2023 his $20M salary and a $17M bonus become fully guaranteed the first week of the 2023 NFL year ( March 5th usually). The $$ cost and the draft picks cost would hamstring the Steelers for years.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Looking better and better for the Steelers to get a top flight Rookie QB in the upcoming Draft, they could even package 20-52 and move up a few spots into the upper teens if they think they need to. I would try and sit tight at No 20, see what falls.
Corral, Howell, Malik Willis, Ridder, and yes Pickett has to be in the conversation, some of us think he can be coached up some more.
Corral, Howell, Malik Willis, Ridder, and yes Pickett has to be in the conversation, some of us think he can be coached up some more.
belljr
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
His contract averages to $37.7 million over the next 4 years. That is a lot of money, but after Rodgers and Wilson sign their extensions he'll be ~#7 for average money, when Burrow and Jackson re-sign they'll probably be above Watson too. Also, the cap is expected to increase a lot over the next few years and we have a ton of cap space starting next year (over $100 million next year and $140 million in 2 years if Cap doesn't increase). His contract is large, but for his ability and experience, his contract is a relative good value because he was the first of the young QBs to re-sign (before .moondawg said:
The $$ and draft picks would hurt, but then our franchise QB is secured (assuming no Jail...). We also would still have lots of $$ to sign targeted free agents starting next year and beyond. At this point I'm guessing it would be 2 1sts and other picks from 2023 and 2022, but that means that Watson would be 28 and still have 2 more years under contract when we get back to all our picks. And he's only 26, so he's projected to have at least 10 more years left in his career, so missing out on 2 1sts would be rough, but a short term issue.
Remember that even if we pick a QB in the first round every year for the next 20 years it's possible that we wouldn't get another Ben or Watson, just look at the Browns who have floundered for years and years.
I don't think this will happen, but trading for a sure thing (talent-wise, not off the field) sometimes makes sense. It makes more sense to trade for Watson who is already locked down than it did to trade for Rodgers/Wentz/Jimmy G.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The cap space for 2023 and 2024 is currently so high because only 18 players are under contract for 2023 and only 13 players are under contract for 2024. After filling out those rosters they should still have a larger amount of $$ left than they are used to having but not as much as it currently seems for 2023/2024.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Howell, Corral and Ridder arent in the convo at 20. Maybe if they trade back into the end of rd 1 one of them are. There should be a beast of an OL or DL at 20, they could use more than they need a QB.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Very true, the team is most likely going to be 3-5 very expensive players (QB, Watt, Minkah, maybe Heyward depending on how long he plays), some mid tier cost players (Maybe Diontae, Bush, Highsmith, and new FAs), and then lots of rookies and players on relatively cheap contracts. It's going to be just like how the Bills/Chiefs/Rams are, where you have some stars and some cheap players and you need to hit on the cheap players.
Losing the picks will hurt our chances the next 2 years, but honestly I think we'd have a better shot with Watson minus two 1st round picks, than we would with Willis + 1 first round pick...
Godsbrother
Footballguy
He could be suspended or even jailed, we just don't know. Until his legal troubles are over and there is a clear indication of what the league is going to do I would be extremely cautious about pursuing Watson.
All 3 are better prospects than Pickett. The Steelers are almost certainly ranking Ridder over Pickett. They clearly want a mobile guy. Pickett isn't a statue, but he isn't going yo be running options.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I don't know that they necessarily want/need a guy who is going to "run options." They just want a guy who can move the pocket to extend plays downfield (or at least that what it sounds like Tomlin wants, anyway).
They just don't want a guy so immobile that they have to run the whole offense out of the shotgun so the C doesn't step on his feet.
They just don't want a guy so immobile that they have to run the whole offense out of the shotgun so the C doesn't step on his feet.
I would be happy to be rid of Canada, but he wants to be an RPO guyI don't know that they necessarily want/need a guy who is going to "run options." They just want a guy who can move the pocket to extend plays downfield (or at least that what it sounds like Tomlin wants, anyway).
They just don't want a guy so immobile that they have to run the whole offense out of the shotgun so the C doesn't step on his feet.
I have not heard much about bringing Turner back. I think this would be a good move.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
'Rumors' but these FA would hit ALL major holes in the roster.
Wagner would be a HUGE signing.
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Steelers Takeaways @PittsburghSport
So sources have #Steelers interested in CB Carlton Davis, C Ryan Jensen and LB Bobby Wagner and are interested in re-signing Edmunds. I'd take that - if they landed all four that's a slobbernocker of pre-draft activity.
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Steelers Takeaways @PittsburghSport
They are $30 mil under before any restructures and a likely release of Schobert
Wagner would be a HUGE signing.
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Steelers Takeaways @PittsburghSport
So sources have #Steelers interested in CB Carlton Davis, C Ryan Jensen and LB Bobby Wagner and are interested in re-signing Edmunds. I'd take that - if they landed all four that's a slobbernocker of pre-draft activity.
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Steelers Takeaways @PittsburghSport
They are $30 mil under before any restructures and a likely release of Schobert
steelers1080
Footballguy
Also rumored that if they don't re-sign Edmunds they'll go after Whitehead, attempting to pair 2 Bucs together. It can be a great move to bring in players who've won a Super Bowl, in the early 2000's I think that helped the Steelers, having players with a "Super Bowl mentality".
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Davis will be very expensive, no? Why not Witherspoon for something cheaper?
And we still need a QB . . . .
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steelcityman
Footballguy
steelers arent running options. I like Ridder. Dont like the other 2 elves. I like Pickett too. And willis.
Rumors have the steelers with 9 QBs, 16 iLBs and an extra $200M to spend.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Because Davis has been proving he can cover #1 wrs for a couple years? He will be pricey, yes...and worth it.
Wagner might be my favorite non-Steeler, so I cannot even pretend to be objective about them signing him.
I will just say that it would be awesome, and leave it at that. Have to assume that he wants to go to a Super Bowl Contender though, so I'm tempering my enthusiasm.NGL, if they could land only Davis and one of Wagner/a legit C or OT, that would probably make it an A+ free agency period regardless of what they did/didnt do at QB. Davis alone would be a massive get.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Steelers re-sign S Miles Killebrew (2 yr, $4 million) and tender QB Dwyane Haskins an original round contract ($2.5 million).
steelers1080
Footballguy
Both are good moves. Killebrew is a great special teamer and an ok backup safety. Haskins at $2.5 million is a solid deal for a backup QB. He's definitely not the best backup, but he's one of the cheapest. Also, if someone signs him away from us we get a 1st round pick! (lol)
belljr
Footballguy
Haskins still has potential if he ever puts it together. I don't have hope but I'll take him on the cheap
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Not happy to be "right", but totally expected it....
Dulac: "Steelers considering Brissett"
Apparently he has previous coaching connections to more than just Canada. Two of the other offensive assistants were on that Wolfpack staff when he was at NC State (and of course there's Flores now, too).
Dulac: "Steelers considering Brissett"
Apparently he has previous coaching connections to more than just Canada. Two of the other offensive assistants were on that Wolfpack staff when he was at NC State (and of course there's Flores now, too).
pghrob
Footballguy
Agree better to trade back rather than trade up if they are eyeing a qb from that grouping. Cannot afford to give up draft capital to move up on any of these prospects.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
With Rudolph signed and the Haskins tender if they go the Brissett route then would they still use the #1 on a QB?
Not that any of these guys are any good but you can carry only so many quarterbacks. I really don’t think Brissett is any better than what they have already
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I think they would still do it IF whoever the guy they really wanted from this crop was still there. But it may at least eliminate the chance they'd do something silly like trading up.
I don't know that he isn't "better" than Rudolph...because I think Rudolph is pretty lousy, but I assume they may feel Brissett is "better" in the sense that he's actually been a starter in the NFL for a full season, and has at least some mobility (which they have prioritized). I am not politicking for him at all, but he'd make a pretty good #2 behind a good starter.
I think it's a safe bet that they won't carry more than 4 QBs in camp, but Dobbs is essentially a non-factor IMO. IIRC, they brought him back mostly because he had a good working relationship with Ben and, supposedly, has a pretty high football IQ that they like having in the QB room. Great. Make him a coach.
I could see a scenario where they'd bring in a veteran FA(whoever it is) with the intent to draft a rookie anyway, have the new vet compete with Rudolph and Haskins for the top two spots with the loser getting walking papers, while the rook is slated to be the third QB for a year.
What is more likely, and this is just total reading between lines and tea leaves here, is that the front office really has very, very little confidence in either Rudolph OR Haskins regardless of what's being said openly. Occam's Razor, yeah? They're heavily linked to just about any free agent QB/draftable with a pulse. If I were Rudolph or Haskins, I wouldn't be purchasing any long-term real estate in Western PA right now.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
I'm pretty convinced someone like Dobbs is the 4th QB that Colbert referred to when he said that the Steelers will have 4 camp QBs. Someone who is an arm and who can help provide analysis on opposing defenses. If they sign another QB or trade for 1, I would assume they don't go QB in the 1st. They could still go QB in the 2nd or 3rd if some QB they like is still there, but it would just be dumb to bring in Brisset, Rudolph, and Haskins, and a rookie QB. No one will get enough reps to functionally prepare for the season. Cowher once said that a QB competition can only sustain 2 QBs because otherwise they won't get enough reps. I agree, even if they try to have 3 QBs getting equal reps, that will dilute their ability to prepare.Godsbrother said:
If they take a 1st round QB I would assume that they and Rudolph will get 90% of 1st team reps and that Haskins is the odd man out.
Watson cleared legally, JLC reporting that the Steelers are not interested. I think that definitely could be true, but JLC is often wrong about the Steelers (though he was one of the first on the Minkah trade).
I think they should make a move to trade for La'el Collins.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Would be interesting if they traded for Collins and signed Connor Williams, they're not 2 of the best O-linemen the Cowboys have, but they're better than what we had by a lot. Though, Collins' contract is pretty high, is there a chance the Cowboys cut him and we could just sign him in FA?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Well, Brady coming back helps us in the QB landscape, but all those tampa free agents might be off the board now.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Jensen Signed back with Tampa for 3/$39 million
he was the one I really wanted.
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
There are reportedly 6 teams interested in Collins so most likely will get traded to one of them.
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