fred_1_15301
Footballguy
We have a pretty good body of work to judge Mitch on. We have like 2 games in the NFL to judge Pickett on? Your last few posts in this thread have been asinine lol.
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2023 Pittsburgh Steelers. Banged up team loses to Buffalo. Looking ahead to 2024 now (2 Viewers)
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karl.Racki
Footballguy
The idea that some of you want to put Pickett in the Hall of Fame already is asinine, He has two games and has thrown 4 picks, and could have had 2 other balls picked off. I am already saying the guy isn't it.
Sorry we disagree, but that is just the way I feel.'
I will add, I don't get how we have a body of work on Mitch when he has played 3 games. I would have rode him all season tbh.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Who in here is putting him in the Hall of Fame? I seriously have no idea what you're even talking about. Mitch has been in the NFL for years - we have a much larger overall body of work on what to expect of him than we do of Pickett.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Dulac hasn't been right about anything in a long time. I find it hard to believe Tomlin would bench Mitch and not DJ over something like this. Pickett got put in because Mitch wasn't moving the ball.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
There not benching DJ, especially after the contract they just gave him..LOL
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
There is a 0% chance that Mitch was benched due to this. Heck, even though he is no longer the starter on the depth chart, he is still a team captain,
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am not sure where you are getting this from. Pickett's arm strength is fine.
apalmer
Footballguy
Yeah, no. Pickett to practice tomorrow and may play Sunday.
Kenny Pickett to Fully Practice Wednesday, Could Play
Kenny Pickett is scheduled to practice fully on Wednesday, according to Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin. The announcement from Tomlin comes days after Kenny Pickett suffered a concussion against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
A few things:
Based on Tomlin's answer he basically confirmed an altercation took place between Trubisky and Diontae. Is that what led to Trubisky's benching is another matter but again Tomlin could have denied it, he didn't.
As most have seen by now Tomlin has already said Pickett will start if cleared and to my surprise it sounds like Friermuth is expected to be cleared and play this week as well.
Got to thinking about something yesterday. When Trubisky was the starter I thought he played scared. Was so concerned with not making mistakes to point his lack of aggressiveness was his major problem. Pickett comes in off the bench against the Jets and every pass he throws is caught by someone, a sign he was very aggressive. But in his two starts he seemed to not have the same aggressive nature. Then Trubisky comes in off the bench and is playing like he has nothing to lose and it's the best he's looked. I'm sure everyone knows where I'm going with this but it just makes me think it's the coaching putting to much emphasis in the weekly game planning with the starting QB to not make mistakes. This is something I hope they examine, the need to come out more aggressive with whoever is the starting QB, and for the record I hope Pickett is cleared to be that guy this weekend.
Based on Tomlin's answer he basically confirmed an altercation took place between Trubisky and Diontae. Is that what led to Trubisky's benching is another matter but again Tomlin could have denied it, he didn't.
As most have seen by now Tomlin has already said Pickett will start if cleared and to my surprise it sounds like Friermuth is expected to be cleared and play this week as well.
Got to thinking about something yesterday. When Trubisky was the starter I thought he played scared. Was so concerned with not making mistakes to point his lack of aggressiveness was his major problem. Pickett comes in off the bench against the Jets and every pass he throws is caught by someone, a sign he was very aggressive. But in his two starts he seemed to not have the same aggressive nature. Then Trubisky comes in off the bench and is playing like he has nothing to lose and it's the best he's looked. I'm sure everyone knows where I'm going with this but it just makes me think it's the coaching putting to much emphasis in the weekly game planning with the starting QB to not make mistakes. This is something I hope they examine, the need to come out more aggressive with whoever is the starting QB, and for the record I hope Pickett is cleared to be that guy this weekend.
Grid71
Footballguy
Brady had an altercation with his OL during the game Sunday. It’s a waste of time to correlate Trubisky getting benched for it. He was benched because he wasn’t producing on the field. Tomlin tried to inject a spark turning to Pickett.
Next big move should be to fire Canada. Team has play makers at the skill positions. One WR TD through 6 weeks is inexcusable with healthy DJ, Claypool, Pickens and company. TE Muuuuth can be elite. Quit being scared lambs out there and attack the D already. Pathetic
Next big move should be to fire Canada. Team has play makers at the skill positions. One WR TD through 6 weeks is inexcusable with healthy DJ, Claypool, Pickens and company. TE Muuuuth can be elite. Quit being scared lambs out there and attack the D already. Pathetic
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. The offensive line is not good but has been playing better. The Problem on offense has been a lack of aggressiveness
steelers1080
Footballguy
Kenny will start again when he's able, you don't put toothpaste back in the tube. Starting then benching your 1st round QB is a big no-no unless you plan to draft another QB the next year. Also, Mitch had 4 games to show what he has, just because he and Claypool had their best game in the past 1 1/4 seasons doesn't mean they're all of a sudden great players.
steelers1080
Footballguy
More rumors about trading Claypool and Rudolph, but I don't see it happening. Maybe if Calvin Austin was up to speed and hadn't missed tons of time, but I doubt Tomlin wants to go from Claypool to Boykin/Sims/Gunner. Also, Pickett just got hurt, typically not when you want to trade a backup QB, when another QB is unavailable.
I believe Tomlin is still 1000% in win-now mode, because he always is. If a trade happens, then I think Khan has more power than I thought.
I believe Tomlin is still 1000% in win-now mode, because he always is. If a trade happens, then I think Khan has more power than I thought.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. Trading Claypool doesn't make much sense unless you're going to get someone that can help you win this year. It sounds like Pickett will be back sooner than later so I could see trading Rudolph. I just don't think there is a huge market for him.
Boone22
Footballguy
There might be in Washington at this point.
steelers1080
Footballguy
More unconfirmed reports about Claypool to Green Bay.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
And one tweet Claypool received from a former coach that said “go bears!”
I dont think he is getting traded though.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Injury report looking MUCH better this week.
Pickett, Friermuth and Levi Wallace have cleared concussion protocol.
Minkah, Sutton, Witherspoon all turned in full practices yesterday
Pickett, Friermuth and Levi Wallace have cleared concussion protocol.
Minkah, Sutton, Witherspoon all turned in full practices yesterday
steelers1080
Footballguy
An article said that an "NFL Exec" said that the potential price for Claypool would be similar to McCaffrey (2, 2, 3, 5). As a Steelers fan I would take that in the blink of an eye. Also as a Steelers fan, that's never going to happen. Some of these stories by "sources" are just insane. The Steelers would probably get a 3rd at best, more likely a 4th or 5th, thus why it probably won't happen.
Also, if Claypool just goes nuts the next 2 games for like 120 yards and 2 TDs each game, to increase his value, we'd probably just keep him...
Also, if Claypool just goes nuts the next 2 games for like 120 yards and 2 TDs each game, to increase his value, we'd probably just keep him...
rockaction
Footballguy
It's the NFL wide receiver market for guys that play on the outside (I know Claypool has been playing slot this year, but he can and should play outside), and it blew up this offseason.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The Packers just lost to the Commanders, wonder if they will have more interest in trading for a WR. I still think Claypool plays out his contract in Pittsburgh unless it's a vast overpay because WR contracts are nuts and he's a decent WR3/WR4.
Also, the Bucs just got dominated by the Panthers, makes our win last week feel a bit less shiny.
Also, the Bucs just got dominated by the Panthers, makes our win last week feel a bit less shiny.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
We basically run a high school offense compared to these teams with offensive minds at hc or forward thinking OCs.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Najee last year and Pickett this year. Future not looking good.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Pickett isn’t terrible, but I wish they traded down and got more picks still — or better yet, went oline and got a top tier qb prospect in the 2023 draft and let Rudolph and Mitch just cover the gap year. Which apparently was the plan before haskins died.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Last night was a tale of interceptions. Tua made some bad throws and was lucky the Steelers DBs had hands of stone. PIckett made a few bad throws and the MIami DBs made him pay. The bad part was that Pickett had the first down + more if he would have run the ball. We would have been inside the 20 with plenty of times for another 4 or 5 plays.
I wasn't a fan of taking Pickett in the first round. My thoughts were to solidify the offensive line and improve the run defense, take your lumps with Trubisky & Rudolph and if the season goes sour you draft your franchise quarterback in 2023. I was somewhat relieved that at least they didn't trade up to get Pickett or one of the other QBs.
That said it is wayyyy too early to make any kind of judgement on Pickett. Last night's picks were something you expect from a rookie. If he's still making these kinds of mistakes next year then maybe we can put the bust label on him.
To me the biggest problems on this team are: 1) Matt Canada's play calling -- he needs to go NOW -and- 2) No TJ Watt. This team could easily be 5-2 with a better OC and a healthy TJ.
Oh well, next week is going to be brutal.
I wasn't a fan of taking Pickett in the first round. My thoughts were to solidify the offensive line and improve the run defense, take your lumps with Trubisky & Rudolph and if the season goes sour you draft your franchise quarterback in 2023. I was somewhat relieved that at least they didn't trade up to get Pickett or one of the other QBs.
That said it is wayyyy too early to make any kind of judgement on Pickett. Last night's picks were something you expect from a rookie. If he's still making these kinds of mistakes next year then maybe we can put the bust label on him.
To me the biggest problems on this team are: 1) Matt Canada's play calling -- he needs to go NOW -and- 2) No TJ Watt. This team could easily be 5-2 with a better OC and a healthy TJ.
Oh well, next week is going to be brutal.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Outsiders perspective: Pickett is going to be fine. You can see his maturation is real time.
If I see any problems at the moment, they are spelled Dionte Johnson.
If I see any problems at the moment, they are spelled Dionte Johnson.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
4/4 47 & a TD on their only successful drive (his first 4 targets of the game)
didn't see another ball until the 4th Q
maybe Pickett makes some amazing Y2 leap, a lot of QB look like dog poo early but develop after the game slows down
rn he looks like at best a Andy Dalton career arc - somewhat competent when surrounded by talent but doesn't elevate his teammates
still early, have to wait n see
Pickett is 1 of 4 "viable" QBs available in my league. I'm considering dropping RW ... my #1 QB is Geno who just lost his best weapon. Russell does have a favorable schedule after his bye. The other QBs available are Mac (waiver pickup for sure), Heinicke, Fields, Walker.
Pickett has good receiving weapons and has faced some good defenses (NYJ, BUF, TB, MIA?). I think he'll be decent in fantasy after his week 9 bye ... if they let him cook with Pickens.
steelers1080
Footballguy
The 4 INT drops were demoralizing. If I was the DC I'd start requiring time on the jugs machine every practice for everyone in the secondary except Minkah.
They need to fire Matt Canada, I'm hoping that it happens at least before the bye so they have 2 weeks for Sullivan to try and add his spin to the offense. My biggest fear is they keep Canada til the end of the season, fire him, then promote Sullivan from within for "continuity" and then he also sucks. At least we already know Canada sucks and Sullivan could get his tryout over the 2nd half of the season.
Some asked why Pickens didn't get more targets, it's because Canada had him against Howard all game after the first drive, and Pickett appeared to be told not to target Howard's side. Every snap Pickett wouldn't even look towards Howard's coverage. They kept Diontae and Claypool away from Howard, I guess to set them up for success which didn't really work.
Pickett has shown some of the traits of a great leader and solid QB, but I think everyone agrees that he's probably not a superstar in the making, he just doesn't have the raw athleticism/arm for that. I don't think the Steelers go QB in the upcoming draft pretty much no matter what happens the rest of the season. At this point I think the pick is OL, EDGE, or DL in the 1st. I don't trust our team to take a good CB.
We had a shot to win that game purely because our defense turned things around 100% after that first Miami drive, even without Watt. Our DC/Tomlin has been figuring out ways to adapt and that should be recognized. Similarly, Canada and the WRs (minus Pickens) should be criticized. It appears that Pickett and his WRs are still not on the same page. Claypool curled around behind a linebacker instead of stopping in the gap, and on the final throw it appears that Pickett thought Diontae was going to do a comeback at the corner of the endzone. After he let go of the ball NBC showed a slow-mo of Pickett and he immediately looked like "C'mon" and motioned with his hand that Diontae should have curled towards the sideline, not away. Hopefully things like this improve with time, but if Pickens and Pickett are already on the same page, it's very stupid of Canada to put Pickett on the Howard island. They should have had him running free on the left side and had Diontae on the right.
In summary, agreed, fire Canada ASAP. It might be mostly the same plays, but playcalling matters.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I agree with every letter typed here.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I don't think he is amazing or anything, but I don't think it is him holding the offense back. Those picks sucked, but the Claypool fall killed us too.
steelers1080
Footballguy
It's good to have your guy's back, especially if outside sources are piling on. But if you have a friend who gets in 20 car wrecks in 25 days, then maybe your friend really is a terrible driver.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Biggest issue with Pickett, aside from his INT's, is the 6.1 yds/attempt. How much of that is on the OC remains to be seen. All I see is Pickett not having the arm strength in tight windows on longer passes to the sidelines. He is good hitting the middle of the field, and 5 yard passes. Many passes look like they float, and lack the zip needed.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I can't tell if that is true or not on the arm strength. He certainly is not a can't miss type prospect.
But it is the OC who is killing the team. They are not scheming anything it seems. No taking advantage of matchups, not adjusting etc. All of the pre-snap motion that we do is not fooling anyone. Looks like High School stuff. Jet sweeps and faking them doesn't do much when we run it so often. Take some freaking shots down field and use the middle of the field more. This is play-calling and scheming.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Greetings Pittsburgh Nation,
Apologies for not posting before the game Sunday Night.
Lot of respect for how Pittsburgh operates and like to keep tabs on what they are doing.
I want to discuss Tua as t might help with Pickens. Tua does not throw very well on passes down the field up the sidelines but he is very effective as you all saw last night when he throws straight ahead up the middle of the field or between the hashes. That's because he doesn't have a big arm and can get the ball further down the field when he doesn't have to account for horizontal yds on top of the vertical. You saw that throughout the night, when Miami had success throwing the ball it was typically across the middle fo the field and Tua could step up into the pocket because he absolutely is toast if you get any kind of pressure on him, he does not operate with defenders around him as he is trying to throw. You say to me, a lot of QBs are like that MoP...yes but let's think Big Ben and Marino, two of the best at hanging in the pocket even with lineman draped around them they were going to launch that football at some point. Tua not so much, pickett looks similar to me and they need to get him throwing the ball a lot more between the hashes in the middle of the field with Freiermuth operates and they can run WRs on crossing routes and post patterns should also work well.
Just some feedback from my notes, wouldn't close the book on Pickett just yet and the likelihood you would take another QB in the draft next year? Maybe they would but I doubt it. Depends on the end of the season, schedule softens up some in a couple weeks and Pickett will show improvement is my guess.
Would you all deal Claypool already, you're killing me in redrafts as I have been scooping him up on the hopes of a trade. I'm starting to doubt they deal him as each day passes, the Packers were/are desperate and that should be an easy fleece for Pittsburgh
Apologies for not posting before the game Sunday Night.
Lot of respect for how Pittsburgh operates and like to keep tabs on what they are doing.
I want to discuss Tua as t might help with Pickens. Tua does not throw very well on passes down the field up the sidelines but he is very effective as you all saw last night when he throws straight ahead up the middle of the field or between the hashes. That's because he doesn't have a big arm and can get the ball further down the field when he doesn't have to account for horizontal yds on top of the vertical. You saw that throughout the night, when Miami had success throwing the ball it was typically across the middle fo the field and Tua could step up into the pocket because he absolutely is toast if you get any kind of pressure on him, he does not operate with defenders around him as he is trying to throw. You say to me, a lot of QBs are like that MoP...yes but let's think Big Ben and Marino, two of the best at hanging in the pocket even with lineman draped around them they were going to launch that football at some point. Tua not so much, pickett looks similar to me and they need to get him throwing the ball a lot more between the hashes in the middle of the field with Freiermuth operates and they can run WRs on crossing routes and post patterns should also work well.
Just some feedback from my notes, wouldn't close the book on Pickett just yet and the likelihood you would take another QB in the draft next year? Maybe they would but I doubt it. Depends on the end of the season, schedule softens up some in a couple weeks and Pickett will show improvement is my guess.
Would you all deal Claypool already, you're killing me in redrafts as I have been scooping him up on the hopes of a trade. I'm starting to doubt they deal him as each day passes, the Packers were/are desperate and that should be an easy fleece for Pittsburgh
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belljr
Footballguy
I have never like him - and I hated what they paid him.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I always thought Dalton was his upside. However you can't really learn much in this terrible offense.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Steelers win that game if Mitch is QB though
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I dunno about that. Did you watch the games Mitch started? I don't recall him having much success putting the ball in endzone with this offense either.
The problem is with the OC
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
The OC is the biggest problem, but the picks aren't great either
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Part of that is coaching though too. Guys making the wrong reads.
That illegal shift penalty was coaching as well -- no need for that pre-snap motion just to create more opportunities for mistakes. That stuff isn't fooling anyone.
It's a mess, but they have to admit that the season is essentially over and the only thing that really matters now is figuring out if Pickett can be the QB of the future. They absolutely have to open up the offense, this pop gun approach not only isn't working but it isn't answering that question. There's a very real possibility that they'll be in position to take a QB near the top of the draft next year, they absolutely must figure out if they should. If they aren't sure and pass on a QB and Pickett flops, it could set them back a long, long time.
Open things up and sink or swim with him the rest of the way.
Open things up and sink or swim with him the rest of the way.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I was at the game last night The stats and score don't tell the story of how bad Pickett was.
I know that the play-calling is bad and the line is bad. I know the WRs are inconsistent and Pickens is underutilized.
But Pickett missed a TON of opportunities by not throwing on time or to the right guy, and he had a lot of chances to run that he passed on. This one example... on the ball late in the game down the seam that he tried to fit in behind the linebacker to Freirmuth, he had Pickens wide open 10 to 12 yards downfield on an out route on the same side of the field. On the last interception, I screamed "run" at the top of my lungs before he threw it because he had an easy path to run for at least 15 yards and get out of bounds. That would've given them 3 or 4 shots from around the 10 or 15 yard line. Just a total lack of awareness.
There were a LOT of plays like that and everyone I was with saw them. I'd love to believe that he's going to improve and I really hope he does, but his arm talent looks average at best and his decision making has sucked. He's as much to blame for the offensive struggles as Canada is. For a QB taken in the first round, I expect him to at least have the talent to make all of the throws even if it takes him some time to develop enough to do it.
I was never a fan of the Pickett pick and I'm even less impressed by him now than I was beforehand. I don't think Trubisky would be the long term solution, but I believe he should've had a longer leash before turning the season over to Pickett.
I know that the play-calling is bad and the line is bad. I know the WRs are inconsistent and Pickens is underutilized.
But Pickett missed a TON of opportunities by not throwing on time or to the right guy, and he had a lot of chances to run that he passed on. This one example... on the ball late in the game down the seam that he tried to fit in behind the linebacker to Freirmuth, he had Pickens wide open 10 to 12 yards downfield on an out route on the same side of the field. On the last interception, I screamed "run" at the top of my lungs before he threw it because he had an easy path to run for at least 15 yards and get out of bounds. That would've given them 3 or 4 shots from around the 10 or 15 yard line. Just a total lack of awareness.
There were a LOT of plays like that and everyone I was with saw them. I'd love to believe that he's going to improve and I really hope he does, but his arm talent looks average at best and his decision making has sucked. He's as much to blame for the offensive struggles as Canada is. For a QB taken in the first round, I expect him to at least have the talent to make all of the throws even if it takes him some time to develop enough to do it.
I was never a fan of the Pickett pick and I'm even less impressed by him now than I was beforehand. I don't think Trubisky would be the long term solution, but I believe he should've had a longer leash before turning the season over to Pickett.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
They actually don't do nearly enough presnap motion
Blick
Footballguy
I’d guess there’s little to no chance they draft another QB this year. For better or worse, it’s Pickett until the end of his contract.
higgins
Footballguy
What's the situation with Diontae? TIA -- asking as a dynasty owner.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The guy has not even played a handful of games. We don’t know enough to say whether or not he’s going to be any good.
The right thing to do is to get a new OC, improve the offensive line and fill holes on defense. In other words, make the team better.
If we do that and Pickett is struggling a year from now then we can think about drafting another QB.
"We" don't know enough, but the coaching staff has seen him a heck of a lot more of him than we have.
I think it's a mistake to completely rule out drafting a QB this year though. It's the most important position on the field, if they feel Pickett isn't going to be the guy and they pass on an opportunity to get their guy this draft you never know when the next one will come along. That's kind of how they ended up in this spot, they got stuck desperately needing a QB in a terrible QB draft. I'm in no way saying they should make that call now, but they have to be open to it if things continue like this. He was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in the draft.
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