2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (43 Viewers)

[Moe.]

The ironic thing for Dallas is that this trade is likely to be a strong motivator for Luka to get fit and take the job seriously 365. I’m sure the Mavs understand that on some level so it makes it all the more interesting. I hope more info comes out sooner rather than later.

 

[Moe.]

I bet LeBron is excited to play with Luka. They aren’t setup to win this year but the idea you couldn’t build a winning team around those two is bonkers to me.

 

[Uncle Leo]

It’s odd to think about the full circle of things. The Lakers make a trade where they trade bit pieces of their future (ingram, Randle, Lonzo,..etc)—to get Davis. The trade gets massively scrutinized even though Davis helps bring the Lakers a ring—and now—Davis gets traded away for a player that is most likely going to be the future of the Lakers for a while.

Is there a chance Luka signs elsewhere when he becomes a FA?

 

[SayWhat?]

Just saw Stephen A's thoughts and he made a really interesting point that Luka is now the Laker's primary focus. Their future.

LeBron is the past/present (for however long that is), so he really is a secondary thought now. How does he react to that shifting dynamic?

Honestly, who really cares what LeBron thinks at this point? The Lakers went from immaterial title hopes near-term and no assets/irrelevance (just cap space) two years from now to being gifted another decade of relevance. Their front office is doing cartwheels right now. LeBron is, and should be, a secondary thought at this point. They should be shopping him, if he’s willing to be dealt, and look to add future assets and start building whatever they can around Luka.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

It’s odd to think about the full circle of things. The Lakers make a trade where they trade bit pieces of their future (ingram, Randle, Lonzo,..etc)—to get Davis. The trade gets massively scrutinized even though Davis helps bring the Lakers a ring—and now—Davis gets traded away for a player that is most likely going to be the future of the Lakers for a while.

Is there a chance Luka signs elsewhere when he becomes a FA?

Certainly. Anything is possible. With that said its in the Lakers hands to “sell” Luka on staying and I think they are capable of that.

 

[Stoneworker]

Just saw Stephen A's thoughts and he made a really interesting point that Luka is now the Laker's primary focus. Their future.

LeBron is the past/present (for however long that is), so he really is a secondary thought now. How does he react to that shifting dynamic?

Honestly, who really cares what LeBron thinks at this point? The Lakers went from immaterial title hopes near-term and no assets/irrelevance (just cap space) two years from now to being gifted another decade of relevance. Their front office is doing cartwheels right now. LeBron is, and should be, a secondary thought at this point. They should be shopping him, if he’s willing to be dealt, and look to add future assets and start building whatever they can around Luka.

I suppose. But the Lakers sure looked like a championship caliber team yesterday when they dismantled the Knicks on their home floor. And they did primarily with a suffocating and relentless defense. Not seeing anything close to that style of play with Luka on the court. Plus now Austin Reaves is basically irrelevant.

 

[SayWhat?]

Just saw Stephen A's thoughts and he made a really interesting point that Luka is now the Laker's primary focus. Their future.

LeBron is the past/present (for however long that is), so he really is a secondary thought now. How does he react to that shifting dynamic?

Honestly, who really cares what LeBron thinks at this point? The Lakers went from immaterial title hopes near-term and no assets/irrelevance (just cap space) two years from now to being gifted another decade of relevance. Their front office is doing cartwheels right now. LeBron is, and should be, a secondary thought at this point. They should be shopping him, if he’s willing to be dealt, and look to add future assets and start building whatever they can around Luka.

I suppose. But the Lakers sure looked like a championship caliber team yesterday when they dismantled the Knicks on their home floor. And they did primarily with a suffocating and relentless defense. Not seeing anything close to that style of play with Luka on the court. Plus now Austin Reaves is basically irrelevant.

Seriously, who cares how they looked in one game?! They weren’t winning a title with Bron/AD, and aren’t with Bron/Luka. But they just added 8+ years of the prime of a top 5 player in the League for what amounts to a mid/late 1st four years from now. AD is great, when he plays, but this was grand larceny. Even if Luka continues to eat hot dogs and plays at 260. If he gets serious and stays in shape? My Lord.

 

[Yo Mama]

Just saw Stephen A's thoughts and he made a really interesting point that Luka is now the Laker's primary focus. Their future.

LeBron is the past/present (for however long that is), so he really is a secondary thought now. How does he react to that shifting dynamic?

Honestly, who really cares what LeBron thinks at this point? The Lakers went from immaterial title hopes near-term and no assets/irrelevance (just cap space) two years from now to being gifted another decade of relevance. Their front office is doing cartwheels right now. LeBron is, and should be, a secondary thought at this point. They should be shopping him, if he’s willing to be dealt, and look to add future assets and start building whatever they can around Luka.

I suppose. But the Lakers sure looked like a championship caliber team yesterday when they dismantled the Knicks on their home floor. And they did primarily with a suffocating and relentless defense. Not seeing anything close to that style of play with Luka on the court. Plus now Austin Reaves is basically irrelevant.

I don’t think Reaves will be irrelevant. He functions better as a secondary creator and he was a bit miscast as their primary ballhandler this year (although he’s been doing pretty well in that role recently).

 

[msudaisy26]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

Who said his contract is toxic? Quit making **** up.

 

[Instinctive]

"I believe that defense wins championships," Mavs general manager Nico Harrison told ESPN's Dave McMenamin regarding his motivation to trade Doncic for Davis. "I believe that getting an All-Defensive center and an All-NBA player with a defensive mindset gives us a better chance. We're built to win now and in the future."

AD doesn’t want to play Center though…

Which is fine because Dallas has two very good defensive centers. I think this trade is bonkers, but an AD and Lively/Gafford front court is incredible defensively.

Also - this trade is ****ing incredible. No trade like this, superstar for superstar ever happens!

Yeah, it will be incredible on the defensive end. Might be tough on the offensive end as AD's weak 3pt shooting makes spacing hard.

I wonder if one of Lively/Gafford/PJ gets moved for another wing.

Mavs won’t want to move Lively or PJ. Gafford won’t bring much in return. Probably means PJ moves on.

Jesus Christ moving Washington would be the dumbest thing I'd heard of if they hadn't just moved Luka. It would be the next dumbest thing I could think to do.

I honestly don't know if I want to be a fan anymore. That's how ****ing dumb this is.

 

[Instinctive]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

Reportedly smart guy good at his job does remarkably dumb thing. Thing apparently maybe was necessary, but somehow was still executed in an incredibly stupid manner.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Total random connection - just figured out my wife went to high school with Nico and although he was a year younger she knew him. And it's highly likely I played against him at some point back then as I grew up one suburb over, but I don't remember him.

I just told her who it was that traded Luka and she just said, "Way to go, Nico!"

 

[jvdesigns2002]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

Who said his contract is toxic? Quit making **** up.

Are you okay? You seem to be argumentative and confrontational for no reason. My initial take on Davis was in response to the notion that he was a “past his prime veteran with a horrible contract”. Its all there for you to read and reference.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

At the press conference, Jason Kidd looks absolutely miserable.

 

[msudaisy26]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

Who said his contract is toxic? Quit making **** up.

Are you okay? You seem to be argumentative and confrontational for no reason. My initial take on Davis was in response to the notion that he was a “past his prime veteran with a horrible contract”. Its all there for you to read and reference.

Are you trolling? Because I have said Davis is a very good player, but he isn't the top 5ish player you make him out to be. It is all right there for you to read, but you keep trying to move the goal posts.

 

[msudaisy26]

At the press conference, Jason Kidd looks absolutely miserable.

Good. He is a scumbag.

 

[Major]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

Joe Burrow for Matt Stafford and a future 1st.

Not even that. I'd argue unless the pick is high lottery, a late NBA 1st is something like a 3rd round NFL pick.

 

[msudaisy26]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

As a Nuggets fan I'd much rather see a Lakers team with Luka vs. AD in the playoffs. AD has always matched up well with Jokic but now the Joker should have free rein to do as he pleases.

Why because of the one game the Lakers have won against the Nuggets the last two times they have met in the playoffs with AD?

 

[General Malaise]

Expecting the Blazers' phones to be ring-ring-ringing right now.

 

[MAC_32]

50 burger 1st quarter, maybe Luka wasn't the problem on D

 

[msudaisy26]

50 burger 1st quarter, maybe Luka wasn't the problem on D

The Mavs don't even look like they want to be here.

 

[Uncle Leo]

If nothing else folks are actually talking about the NBA. We have a family text group and no one ever talks about the NBA until playoffs. The topic was UF vs. Tenn and even WWE until the Luka news broke.

 

[Stoneworker]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

As a Nuggets fan I'd much rather see a Lakers team with Luka vs. AD in the playoffs. AD has always matched up well with Jokic but now the Joker should have free rein to do as he pleases.

Why because of the one game the Lakers have won against the Nuggets the last two times they have met in the playoffs with AD?

That's quite the simpleton analysis you did there.

 

[msudaisy26]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

As a Nuggets fan I'd much rather see a Lakers team with Luka vs. AD in the playoffs. AD has always matched up well with Jokic but now the Joker should have free rein to do as he pleases.

Why because of the one game the Lakers have won against the Nuggets the last two times they have met in the playoffs with AD?

That's quite the simpleton analysis you did there.

Just wanted to make sure you could understand it. You know with your great take about rather facing Luka, a guy that has led a team to a finals recently vs the team the Nuggets have owned the last couple of years with AD.

 

[Stoneworker]

As a Nuggets fan I'd much rather see a Lakers team with Luka vs. AD in the playoffs. AD has always matched up well with Jokic but now the Joker should have free rein to do as he pleases.

Why because of the one game the Lakers have won against the Nuggets the last two times they have met in the playoffs with AD?

That's quite the simpleton analysis you did there.

Just wanted to make sure you could understand it. You know with your great take about rather facing Luka, a guy that has led a team to a finals recently vs the team the Nuggets have owned the last couple of years with AD.

If you knew anything about how AD has matched up with Jokic going back even to the Pelicans days you would know what I'm talking about. But you don't. So you wouldn't

 

[jvdesigns2002]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

Who said his contract is toxic? Quit making **** up.

Are you okay? You seem to be argumentative and confrontational for no reason. My initial take on Davis was in response to the notion that he was a “past his prime veteran with a horrible contract”. Its all there for you to read and reference.

Are you trolling? Because I have said Davis is a very good player, but he isn't the top 5ish player you make him out to be. It is all right there for you to read, but you keep trying to move the goal posts.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I responded to a post that called Davis a “past his prime player with a horrible contract”. I said that he’s a guy that is arguably playing some of the best basketball in his career. You asked if I saw him play on the Hornets—where I said “yes”—and what made him elite on the hornets was that he was a force on both ends of the court. I then went on to say that he’s still an elite player on both sides of the court—and that if he dropped off—it’s not by much—and that he’s still elite. I never changed the goal posts and I’ve been consistent through this entire discussion. Other members have chimed in saying that the advanced metrics seem to also indicate that Davis is having a wonderful season—which supports that there hasn’t been much of a dropoff.

Are you familiar with what a spin cycle is? It’s a slang word for when you say or argue something—and before you know it—you get soo caught up in arguing that you forget what the discussion or argument is about. With all due respect, it just seems like you are in a spin cycle and just seem to want to be argumentative and contradictory. if you think Davis dropped off big time—you are entitled to your opinion—but that’s all that it is. I’m entitled to mine, I’ve supported it with my justification, and I have not changed my opinion or moved the goal posts during the discussion at all. Let’s not derail this thread any further and let’s give other members a chance to chime in on their opinions if they choose to do so.

 

[Instinctive]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

As a Nuggets fan I'd much rather see a Lakers team with Luka vs. AD in the playoffs. AD has always matched up well with Jokic but now the Joker should have free rein to do as he pleases.

Why because of the one game the Lakers have won against the Nuggets the last two times they have met in the playoffs with AD?

That's quite the simpleton analysis you did there.

I have that poster on ignore because you have no idea how right you are lol. Take it from me, thread is a lot cleaner.

 

[msudaisy26]

As a Nuggets fan I'd much rather see a Lakers team with Luka vs. AD in the playoffs. AD has always matched up well with Jokic but now the Joker should have free rein to do as he pleases.

Why because of the one game the Lakers have won against the Nuggets the last two times they have met in the playoffs with AD?

That's quite the simpleton analysis you did there.

Just wanted to make sure you could understand it. You know with your great take about rather facing Luka, a guy that has led a team to a finals recently vs the team the Nuggets have owned the last couple of years with AD.

If you knew anything about how AD has matched up with Jokic going back even to the Pelicans days you would know what I'm talking about. But you don't. So you wouldn't

Okay. You see AD is tall and good at defense so I don't want him facing Jokic and the fact is Jokic has owned him for the better part of 5 years now and rhe Nuggets dominate the Lakers since the covid years. What AD did in New Orleans 6 to 8 years ago against Jokic means nothing. Neither player is the same from that time period. Hope this helps.

 

[Deamon]

Seems like Dallas is protesting the trade today lol

 

[NewlyRetired]

what the hell happened to this thread all of sudden? It has been running relatively clean for a couple of months or more...

 

[Instinctive]

what the hell happened to this thread all of sudden? It has been running relatively clean for a couple of months or more...

An NBA GM did something remarkably dumb and it brought out a lot of the playoffs-only hot takesters and the less basketball literate crowd.

Then there's a reaction to that, and a back and forth, yadda yadda.

People just need to utilize ignore. Has made this season in both FFA and SP way better for me at least.

 

[msudaisy26]

All these horrible past their prime NBA contracts - gotta wonder when teams finally give up on getting the over 30 year olds that are on the decline. Bad max and supermax deals are not helping teams win championships. It may for a year or tow, but eventually the luxury tax takes its toll on owners. BOS likely to be in the same boat in 3 years. Not sure why anyone would sign Butler to a deal. He's lucky if he has another year of quality left.

What are these horrible past their prime contracts you are talking about in regards to this trade?

It's not a reference to the trade . Nor did I say it was. Just in general. But Anthony Davis contract is right there. Middleton, Beals, Lavine, Leonard, Simmons (like $40m and I'm not even sure he has played ball in 5 years). The concept of paying players as a reward for what they were is stupid

One can easily argue that Davis is not on the decline. He’s always been an injury risk—but there doesn’t seem to be much of a dropoff in his production on the court up to this point. I think some can argue that Davis and Lavine are playing some of the best basketball of their careers right now. I think the other guys you have on that list are pretty on point though.

Have you not watched Davis? Davis with the Pelicans was a no doubt top 5 player in the league.

I have watched Davis. He was probably a top 5 player back then—and where do you put him now—top 7-9–and that’s with an influx of really great young talent entering the league since then—and with him being the second option on the Lakers for a few years? I would bet that if Davis was the primary player on a team right now—he easily could go back to being considered a top 5ish talent.

He isn't. He is on the decline. He is still very good, but his best days are behind him. Probably a top 15ish player and on the way down.

We can agree to disagree. Even now in Davis’s career—factoring in both sides of the floor—offensive and defensive impact—I think most people would have a hard time naming 5-7 players in the league that are better than him right now. I certainly don’t think anybody could name 10 players that have the impact he has on the floor offensively and defensively at this moment.

Luka, Tatum, Jokic, SGA, Ant, Giannis, Durant, Steph, Wemby. Just off the top.of my head.

I completely disagree with you about Durant and Steph being better and more impactful players on both ends of the court right now. I love steph but his offense has fallen off this season and his impact on the court defensively does not touch that of Davis. Davis and KD have similar impacts on the game offensively right now—but Davis completely overshadows KD on the defensive end. In any case, maybe you have him top 10-15ish—but it’s beyond reasonable to have him top 7ish.

You are just trying win the argument with the both ends of the court. The advantage those guys I listed far exceed the narrative you are trying to pigeon hole AD into.

Not at all. I just don’t agree with the notion that at this point in time that Davis is a player whose contract is toxic because he’s in some sort of major decline. He’s like a top 5-6 player in regard to what he averages scoring right now, he’s shooting over 50% from the field, and he’s clearly a top 5ish defensive player in the league. It seems to me that you are just picking players that you would “take” on your franchise ahead of Davis—as opposed to understanding the point that I’m making. Davis was an elite player in his prime and he’s still an elite player now. If there has been a dropoff from what you call his “peak”—it’s nominal or small at best.

Who said his contract is toxic? Quit making **** up.

Are you okay? You seem to be argumentative and confrontational for no reason. My initial take on Davis was in response to the notion that he was a “past his prime veteran with a horrible contract”. Its all there for you to read and reference.

Are you trolling? Because I have said Davis is a very good player, but he isn't the top 5ish player you make him out to be. It is all right there for you to read, but you keep trying to move the goal posts.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I responded to a post that called Davis a “past his prime player with a horrible contract”. I said that he’s a guy that is arguably playing some of the best basketball in his career. You asked if I saw him play on the Hornets—where I said “yes”—and what made him elite on the hornets was that he was a force on both ends of the court. I then went on to say that he’s still an elite player on both sides of the court—and that if he dropped off—it’s not by much—and that he’s still elite. I never changed the goal posts and I’ve been consistent through this entire discussion. Other members have chimed in saying that the advanced metrics seem to also indicate that Davis is having a wonderful season—which supports that there hasn’t been much of a dropoff.

Are you familiar with what a spin cycle is? It’s a slang word for when you say or argue something—and before you know it—you get soo caught up in arguing that you forget what the discussion or argument is about. With all due respect, it just seems like you are in a spin cycle and just seem to want to be argumentative and contradictory. if you think Davis dropped off big time—you are entitled to your opinion—but that’s all that it is. I’m entitled to mine, I’ve supported it with my justification, and I have not changed my opinion or moved the goal posts during the discussion at all. Let’s not derail this thread any further and let’s give other members a chance to chime in on their opinions if they choose to do so.

You quoted me and I never said AD was bad or had a bad contract. He just isn't top 5 good. I never said he played for the Hornets, since he hasn't. He is having a good season, but that doesn't mean he is a top 5 player. By that logic Zach Lavine is a top 25 player too and he isn't. I said he is a top 15ish player on the decline because you know this guy father time is kind of undefeated.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

Destiny’s Child just traded Beyoncé to TLC for Chilli

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Just saw Stephen A's thoughts and he made a really interesting point that Luka is now the Laker's primary focus. Their future.

LeBron is the past/present (for however long that is), so he really is a secondary thought now. How does he react to that shifting dynamic?

Honestly, who really cares what LeBron thinks at this point? The Lakers went from immaterial title hopes near-term and no assets/irrelevance (just cap space) two years from now to being gifted another decade of relevance. Their front office is doing cartwheels right now. LeBron is, and should be, a secondary thought at this point. They should be shopping him, if he’s willing to be dealt, and look to add future assets and start building whatever they can around Luka.

I suppose. But the Lakers sure looked like a championship caliber team yesterday when they dismantled the Knicks on their home floor. And they did primarily with a suffocating and relentless defense. Not seeing anything close to that style of play with Luka on the court. Plus now Austin Reaves is basically irrelevant.

I don’t think Reaves will be irrelevant. He functions better as a secondary creator and he was a bit miscast as their primary ballhandler this year (although he’s been doing pretty well in that role recently).

He’s certainly not irrelevant. He is a multi-faceted player that has high energy and solid basketball IQ. Secondly—worse case scenario—Reeves is a helluva basketball asset. The Lakers were smart to lock him in and his contract is exceptionally favorable. If the Lakers needed to make some more moves and felt like Reaves is more “expendable”—-he commands a lot of value on the trade market. That in and of itself guarantees that he won’t be irrelevant.

 

[Desert_Power]

I think AD has been very good against Jokic but doesn't have the stamina to really do it for multiple games in a row (like in a series).

 

[MAC_32]

Maybe the Mavs are trying to lose by 77 as an homage to Luka

 

[Instinctive]

Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.

 

[SFBayDuck]

Maybe the Mavs are trying to lose by 77 as an homage to Luka

Is giving up 91 points in a half bad?

 

[popeye]

but I also read in a couple places that Luka is up to 270 pounds.

Oh come on

ESPN article did say high 260s

Future NBA trades should require each team takes on the same weight

 

[Jayrod]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

Destiny’s Child just traded Beyoncé to TLC for Chilli

This is hilarious.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They are saying nobody knew it was happening, including AD, Luka, and Lebron, but then why didn’t AD play last night?

He hasn’t played since getting injured vs the Sixers a week ago. His last act in a lakers uniform was getting dunked on by Yabusele

 

[TheAristocrat]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

Destiny’s Child just traded Beyoncé to TLC for Chilli

Holy ****

 

[Jayrod]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

Destiny’s Child just traded Beyoncé to TLC for Chilli

Holy ****

That makes the Lakers TLB.

 

[Capella]

Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.

Honestly don’t know how Mavs fans rebound from this. I think giving up on them is a legit option.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Maybe I just become a traitor and a Spurs fan. I worked there, so I already have a ton of gear. I love the culture. They don't typically do idiotic things in the front office. I liked how they handled the Kawhi thing all in all.

Idk. Maybe I cancel our season tickets for next season. On the other hand, I just sold our April Lakers tickets for 5.5x face value LOL.

Maybe I'm wrong and a starting five of Gafford/Davis/PJ/Klay/Kyrie with Naji, Grimes, and Lively off the bench is gonna make the finals and make me look like an idiot. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I just love my team, the team I grew up rooting for, and it's not up to me I'm just stuck with them forever. Maybe fan brain will kick in next week and I'll just be like "Luka sucked he was fat and annoying easy trade" and I can successfully lie to myself forever more.

Maybe Luka never plays more than 40 games a season and doesn't make it out of the first round ever again.

Honestly don’t know how Mavs fans rebound from this. I think giving up on them is a legit option.

If anyone needs help I’m available to talk. I have recent experience from losing Saquon. At least you got something in return and Luka did not go to your arch rival. That and now we get to watch him play in the Super Bowl.

 

[mr. furley]

Watch KD and Beal’s reaction to the Luka trade 😭 | Streamable

Watch "KD and Beal’s reaction to the Luka trade 😭" on Streamable.

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the Suns bench reacts to the Luka trade in real time

 

[mr. furley]

and the Blazers

Watch reactionblazersbench | Streamable

Watch "reactionblazersbench" on Streamable.

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[Long Ball Larry]

Explain this trade to a guy that hasn't paid attention to the NBA since Jordan. My phone seems to think I need this information.

I think you have understand the money. I don't claim to understand NBA finance but have read this trade moves the Mavs from being millions over the luxury tax to now being under it, due in part to AD waiving his trade bonus. The luxury tax can cost a team over $150m per season, depending on payroll, and is only going up each year. The Adelsons bought control of the team about one year ago, paying about $2.5Bln, are now facing a $350m fully guaranteed commitment to one player and decided against that. People will say they could have negotiated better and gotten more out of the deal, and I've no idea about that, but I'm not sure how many teams are in a position to take on this player right now. For me, from the Lakers' perspective, it’s not about what Luka is worth but what they would give up to get him now rather than waiting six months or eighteen depending on circumstances. It seems to me success in the modern NBA comes from great management, some luck, and above all having an owner willing to spend crazy money to take a shot. As more teams are sold to financial buyers and investment funds, we could possibly see more of this where the investors do some math and decide they don't want to fund a plan that requires a massive guaranteed commitment to one player and hundreds of millions in luxury tax.

It is true that the tax has become more punitive in the new cba, but in no way would Lukas 35% max contract lock them into to hundreds of millions in luxury tax. They only had 32 million on the books guaranteed for 2026 (39 if you want to assume they would pick up livelys option) against a 170 million cap. Even with Luka’s 59.5 they would have had a lot of space to work with. They would have had plenty of ways to work around the luxury tax as well and you can be a little bit over without getting hosed that badly. Giving up a hall of fame-track player at 26 seems like one of the worst ways to try to deal with that.

I guess if they had their minds made up that Luka had peaked and it was all downhill from here, then it makes sense, but I just have a hard time believing that is the case (obviously acknowledging they have way more information than I do).

Minor detail in all this, I have no clue why AD gave up his trade kicker. What does he care?

 

[mr. furley]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ig4m6x/ben_golliver_2423_the_long_term_plan_here_is/

Ben Golliver 2/4/23: "The long term plan here is steal Luka from Dallas, make him the next face of the Lakers. The best possible way the Lakers can do that right now is to coax Kyrie into Dallas, have that thing blow up. You have to wait a couple years until it all plays out. That's how you get #77"

I have a better Lakers plan for how they should approach this Kyrie situation. Honestly I think it's a much better plan. It's more devious, much more long term focused. Much more shrewd. Honestly, probably completely unrealistic. But this is what the Lakers should do.

They need to treat Kyrie Irving like a Trojan horse. They need to do whatever they can possibly do to talk up his value, their interest in him, his ability to be a part of a Championship core. They need to pull out all the Klutch stops. To build up Kyrie Irving as this dramatic franchise-changing asset.

They need to get the Dallas Mavericks to bite. If there's another team as desperate as the Lakers, or close to as desperate, for a superstar level addition, it is the Dallas Mavericks. Nico Harrison's first thing on the job was losing Jalen Brunson, a near All-Star level player. That's like his first welcome to the NBA moment. Congratulations, welcome from Nike, there goes your talent, stolen from underneath you. Mark Cuban's facing questions on whether he's lost his fast ball as an owner. It's been an awful long time since they've been in the mix for big stars. Porzingis thing blows up. Brunson leaves. Reputation in tatters. The Luka conversation is already bubbling, and he just signed his extension.

So what I'm saying is, Trojan horse. There is no better way to blow up the Dallas Mavericks culture from the inside, than dropping Kyrie Irving on a team with Luka Doncic, and having that thing go completely crazy. If Kyrie can't make it work in Brooklyn, how the hell is he going to live in Texas on a regular basis.

The long term plan here is steal Luka from the Dallas Mavericks, make him the next face of the Los Angeles Lakers. And the best possible way the Lakers can do that right now is to coax Kyrie Irving into Dallas, have that thing blow up. You have to wait a couple years until it all plays out. That's how you get #77 into Forum Blue and Gold. You don't bring Kyrie yourself. You kick him into Dallas, and watch the whole thing ignite.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The ironic thing for Dallas is that this trade is likely to be a strong motivator for Luka to get fit and take the job seriously 365. I’m sure the Mavs understand that on some level so it makes it all the more interesting. I hope more info comes out sooner rather than later.

And then maybe the mavs will sign him when he becomes a free agent. 4-d chess