2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (18 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Playoffs?

35 wins is probably enough in the East.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Playoffs?

35 wins is probably enough in the East.

Perhaps for the 10-seed. There seems to be a pretty strong top 8 in the Celtics, 76ers, Bucks, Knicks, Pacers, Heat, Magic, and Cavs. But I guess there are surprises every year.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Hey guys, looks line Lebron did take less to help the Lakers! $2.7mm less than the max …. And year 2 is a player option so he has a defacto no-trade clause apparently.

That small amount gets them under the second apron, not insignificant.

What a sacrifice.

Lmao man you are a real hater. Why would Lebron James, one of the best basketball players ever, take less than the max.

Because he is 40 years old and a billionaire and his team sucks? And he got his son an extra $8mm.

 

[the moops]

Hey guys, looks line Lebron did take less to help the Lakers! $2.7mm less than the max …. And year 2 is a player option so he has a defacto no-trade clause apparently.

That small amount gets them under the second apron, not insignificant.

What a sacrifice.

Lmao man you are a real hater. Why would Lebron James, one of the best basketball players ever, take less than the max.

Because he is 40 years old and a billionaire and his team sucks? And he got his son an extra $8mm.

Yep, real hater

 

[Capella]

Hey guys, looks line Lebron did take less to help the Lakers! $2.7mm less than the max …. And year 2 is a player option so he has a defacto no-trade clause apparently.

That small amount gets them under the second apron, not insignificant.

What a sacrifice.

Lmao man you are a real hater. Why would Lebron James, one of the best basketball players ever, take less than the max.

Because he is 40 years old and a billionaire and his team sucks? And he got his son an extra $8mm.

Ok?

He earned that billion.

What’s that gotta do with his money?

And Bron also earned that too lmao

 

[the moops]

Now, if Ainge would back down the asking price for Markannen to two FRPs (and change),

No chance. Mikal Bridges just went for a billion first round picks. Markannen is a better player than Bridges. He is unrestricted after this season, so that will hurt his value a bit, but there are like 25 teams who could use someone like Markannen in their starting 5

 

[Frostillicus]

Michael Jordan would have signed for the minimum.

 

[thecatch]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Michael Jordan would have signed for the minimum.

What did he make on the wizards?

I am only half serious but come on.

 

[Desert_Power]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Are they trying to make the playoffs? Seems like that only would happen if Lamelo Ball and Mark Williams stay healthy (and don't suck).

 

[msudaisy26]

Michael Jordan would have signed for the minimum.

What did he make on the wizards?

I am only half serious but come on.

Are you serious the Wizards? He came back to draw crowds and players to that team.

In 1998 Jordan made 33.8 million and the Bulls entire payroll was 61.3. He literally made more than the rest of the team combined.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

 

[msudaisy26]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

That was if they got him help and they didn't, plus the union had some say in the matter.

 

[thecatch]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

As with most things Lebron related, it’s the messaging that is eyeroll worthy, not the underlying action itself.

 

[Jayrod]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

Guy was getting MVP talk 2 years ago.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

Guy was getting MVP talk 2 years ago.

Would be interested in some kind of bet around how many 3s per game derozan shoots.

I agree with the side that says this doesn’t really do much for the Kings. It doesn’t make them worse and might make them a little better but I doubt it will be in a way that is meaningful. I guess it doesn’t hurt to have a guy who can really get his shot when it gets down to nut cutting time, but it’s hard to see this raising their ceiling that much. And not for the cost of an unprotected 2031 pick swap. Of course we will all probably be dead by then.

 

[the moops]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

How many other players out there eligible for the max took less?

 

[the moops]

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

He's a career 29% three point shooter. I hope to **** they don't ask him to sit in the corner and shoot threes

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

How many other players out there eligible for the max took less?

Plenty probably are eligible that weren’t offered their max.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

San Antonio has quite a diversified portfolio of future picks with upside:

3 Atlanta picks
Minnesota 2030 top 1 protected
Dallas 2030
Sacramento 2031
Boston 2028 top 1 protected
Chicago protected top 10 and 8 for the next 3 years

Plus at least 14 extra seconds from 2025-2030

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Are they trying to make the playoffs? Seems like that only would happen if Lamelo Ball and Mark Williams stay healthy (and don't suck).

Charlotte owes San Antonio a lottery protected first for next year which will go to 2 seconds if it doesn’t convey, so would be fairly insane to try to make the playoffs and with a first year coach and new ownership, seems almost impossible that they will try for that

 

[the moops]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

How many other players out there eligible for the max took less?

Plenty probably are eligible that weren’t offered their max.

Should have been more specific. I am talking eligible for supermax. All the guys who have signed their 35% max deals, did any of them take a pay cut to save their owners some luxurty tax payments?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Demar derozan played with Anthony Carter in 2011 and now will play with his son, Devin

 

[Jayrod]

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

He's a career 29% three point shooter. I hope to **** they don't ask him to sit in the corner and shoot threes

He shot 33.6% over the past 3 years. Not great, but that number is far more relevant than your career number.

Brook Lopez was 3/31 (9.7%) from 3 over his first 8 seasons. Now he is called "Splash Mountain".

 

[Snotbubbles]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

Guy was getting MVP talk 2 years ago.

That's the problem though, he would try and do it but he has a career 29.6% 3PA. Shooting 3s is not his game.

 

[the moops]

He shot 33.6% over the past 3 years. Not great, but that number is far more relevant than your career number.

OK let's go with 33.6. That is terrible.

 

[Snotbubbles]

He shot 33.6% over the past 3 years. Not great, but that number is far more relevant than your career number.

OK let's go with 33.6. That is terrible.

Kings GM: We need a 3&D guy to play off Fox and Sabonis. I know, lets get an ISO guy who doesn't shoot 3s or play D.

 

[Moe.]

France destroyed Germany a couple days ago in a warm-up. Germans weren't at full strength (no Wagners or Theis plus a couple others) but Wemby looks gross. At 3:22 the German commentator just starts chuckling after a step-back 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tco895w9RhQ

 

[Juxtatarot]

San Antonio has quite a diversified portfolio of future picks with upside:

3 Atlanta picks
Minnesota 2030 top 1 protected
Dallas 2030
Sacramento 2031
Boston 2028 top 1 protected
Chicago protected top 10 and 8 for the next 3 years

Plus at least 14 extra seconds from 2025-2030

Hawks are screwed if Risacher doesn't pan out.

 

[Jayrod]

He shot 33.6% over the past 3 years. Not great, but that number is far more relevant than your career number.

OK let's go with 33.6. That is terrible.

It's 3% below league average and 0.4% below Fox's avg over the last 3 years.

Not great, but far from terrible.

Then again, you think any player that doesn't make the all-NBA defensive team is a "terrible" defender as well.

 

[thecatch]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

Guy was getting MVP talk 2 years ago.

Would be interested in some kind of bet around how many 3s per game derozan shoots.

I agree with the side that says this doesn’t really do much for the Kings. It doesn’t make them worse and might make them a little better but I doubt it will be in a way that is meaningful. I guess it doesn’t hurt to have a guy who can really get his shot when it gets down to nut cutting time, but it’s hard to see this raising their ceiling that much. And not for the cost of an unprotected 2031 pick swap. Of course we will all probably be dead by then.

Define “meaningful”. Matt Moore’s model has the move adding 4-5 wins. That’s the difference between being a real competitive 4th seed and out of the playoffs. Even a couple wins could be the difference to escape the play in. Sacramento is not exactly a town focused on titles or bust.

 

[Mister CIA]

Now, if Ainge would back down the asking price for Markannen to two FRPs (and change),

No chance. Mikal Bridges just went for a billion first round picks. Markannen is a better player than Bridges. He is unrestricted after this season, so that will hurt his value a bit, but there are like 25 teams who could use someone like Markannen in their starting 5

I suspect Ainge's asking price is in the ridiculous zone at the moment and Markannen won't be dealt this off-season (trade deadline on the other hand...). Regardless, if I'm the Spurs I'm content to let Ainge do all the heavy lifting negotiating with the 25 other teams, and then he can give the Spurs an opportunity to top the best offer. Easy peasy.

Hopefully keeping Markannen around does not conflict with Jazz '25 tank plans.

 

[msudaisy26]

Now, if Ainge would back down the asking price for Markannen to two FRPs (and change),

No chance. Mikal Bridges just went for a billion first round picks. Markannen is a better player than Bridges. He is unrestricted after this season, so that will hurt his value a bit, but there are like 25 teams who could use someone like Markannen in their starting 5

I suspect Ainge's asking price is in the ridiculous zone at the moment and Markannen won't be dealt this off-season (trade deadline on the other hand...). Regardless, if I'm the Spurs I'm content to let Ainge do all the heavy lifting negotiating with the 25 other teams, and then he can give the Spurs an opportunity to top the best offer. Easy peasy.

Hopefully keeping Markannen around does not conflict with Jazz '25 tank plans.

The Jazz are good at a lot of things, tanking isn't one of them. They should take notes from the Pistons the last decade, the 76ers before Embiid or the 76ers in the playoffs since Embiid.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

Guy was getting MVP talk 2 years ago.

Would be interested in some kind of bet around how many 3s per game derozan shoots.

I agree with the side that says this doesn’t really do much for the Kings. It doesn’t make them worse and might make them a little better but I doubt it will be in a way that is meaningful. I guess it doesn’t hurt to have a guy who can really get his shot when it gets down to nut cutting time, but it’s hard to see this raising their ceiling that much. And not for the cost of an unprotected 2031 pick swap. Of course we will all probably be dead by then.

Define “meaningful”. Matt Moore’s model has the move adding 4-5 wins. That’s the difference between being a real competitive 4th seed and out of the playoffs. Even a couple wins could be the difference to escape the play in. Sacramento is not exactly a town focused on titles or bust.

I’m not sure that I but 4-5 wins.

But even if it did, how much will it help them in a first round series against okc, Denver, Dallas or Minnesota? Let alone any of the other west contenders. I guess that’s what I mean by meaningful. Maybe it will help them get out of the first round, but that’s about. The meaningfulness of meaningful can be meaningfully different depending on your expected mean… but I don’t think it really moves the needle on Sacramento’s place in the league big picture. Which again does not mean they shouldn’t have done it.

 

[Mister CIA]

San Antonio has quite a diversified portfolio of future picks with upside:

3 Atlanta picks
Minnesota 2030 top 1 protected
Dallas 2030
Sacramento 2031
Boston 2028 top 1 protected
Chicago protected top 10 and 8 for the next 3 years

Plus at least 14 extra seconds from 2025-2030

The picks, 26 ATL, 28 BOS, MIN 30 , and DAL 30 are all swaps, which are nice assets. Worth mentioning mainly to reflect that the Spurs onl)y have one first round pick in each of these seasons. They also have MIN 2031 1st rounder outright.

I'm using realgm.com for authority. Can't speak to their accuracy, but their formatting is better than a couple of other sites I tried.

NBA Future Drafts Detailed - RealGM

Complete information on future NBA draft pick obligations and credits on RealGM.com

basketball.realgm.com

 

[Long Ball Larry]

San Antonio has quite a diversified portfolio of future picks with upside:

3 Atlanta picks
Minnesota 2030 top 1 protected
Dallas 2030
Sacramento 2031
Boston 2028 top 1 protected
Chicago protected top 10 and 8 for the next 3 years

Plus at least 14 extra seconds from 2025-2030

The picks, 26 ATL, 28 BOS, MIN 30 , and DAL 30 are all swaps, which are nice assets. Worth mentioning mainly to reflect that the Spurs onl)y have one first round pick in each of these seasons. They also have MIN 2031 1st rounder outright.

I'm using realgm.com for authority. Can't speak to their accuracy, but their formatting is better than a couple of other sites I tried.

NBA Future Drafts Detailed - RealGM

Complete information on future NBA draft pick obligations and credits on RealGM.com

basketball.realgm.com

Yeah, I know they are swaps, should have clarified, but was essentially just trying to point out the upside they have, presuming that Wemby can stay healthy. Good point about the min 2031, since neither min picks were on realgm and I was going off memory for that. Just glad the spurs franchise might finally have some success.

 

[the moops]

Then again, you think any player that doesn't make the all-NBA defensive team is a "terrible" defender as well.

Say what now?

 

[Yo Mama]

No comments yet about Bronny load managing his second game of summer league? You guys and gals are slipping.

 

[Desert_Power]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Are they trying to make the playoffs? Seems like that only would happen if Lamelo Ball and Mark Williams stay healthy (and don't suck).

Charlotte owes San Antonio a lottery protected first for next year which will go to 2 seconds if it doesn’t convey, so would be fairly insane to try to make the playoffs and with a first year coach and new ownership, seems almost impossible that they will try for that

Which deal is that from?

And, yeah, my sense has not been they are trying to make the playoffs. More focused on getting younger.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

No comments yet about Bronny load managing his second game of summer league? You guys and gals are slipping.

I used up all my hate credits for the day already.

 

[msudaisy26]

No comments yet about Bronny load managing his second game of summer league? You guys and gals are slipping.

It is summer league, no one cares. I am saving my hate up for when Lebron and Bronny take the same load management day.

The rumors that will fly that day will be epic.

 

[SayWhat?]

Then again, you think any player that doesn't make the all-NBA defensive team is a "terrible" defender as well.

Say what now?

Here! What’s up?

 

[Capella]

No comments yet about Bronny load managing his second game of summer league? You guys and gals are slipping.

I hope he never actually plays a game in the nba but still gets a second contract bc of Lebron. I love how it winds people up.

 

[thecatch]

DeRozan led the league in minutes played last year. He also still had a PER of 19.7 and WS/48 of .147. He's still a highly capable player, not some has been like Westbrook. He's walking in as easily their 3rd best player and arguments can be made that he's better overall than Fox. His window is closing but if you get 85-90% of what he's done the last 2 years, he makes Sacramento a much better team.

I don't think he does. He's makes them different, not necessarily better. He's a ball stopping, black hole, ISO guy. His style fit with the Bulls who were a slow pace (96.3 - 28th in the league), half-court team, that didn't take many 3s (32.1/gm) and didn't have much on offense. Now he's going to a team where the PG is the #1 scorer (has a 31% usage), the team plays a faster pace (98.8 - 14th in the league), takes more 3s (39.3/gm). It's just a different offensive style. Plus, DeRozan is a negative on defense. I really just don't see DeRozans fit with this group. To be honest, Alex Caruso would have been a much better fit for the Kings. I think his best usage would be as a 6th man, being the #1 option on the second unit.

Agree on all points here and well put overall. Particularly the Caruso part

League sees he's an Iso / ball stopping guy. Why there's never been a huge desire around the league for him over the past several years.

Barnes wasn't putting Sac over the top either so it's pretty much a "Why not try it?" transaction to me. Particularly not having to move Huerter in the deal (can spin elsewhere if desired). After his complete disappearing act in the playoffs vs. Golden State a season ago, I was rather shocked they even resigned Barnes. Let alone paying him what he got long term. I'd have definitely went for Ingram/Lauri. Maybe they still will somehow. I just see Derozan as a 6th man here even if they're obviously likely to start.

Bulls' got everything and more out of Derozan individually. It just wasn't a winning or fun brand of basketball to watch with his Iso-ball. Great for what he provided. Can't say sad to see go. Was long time for a divorce.

in spending an absurd amount of time learning about Derozan this morning, I learned he was actually a much better defender than Barnes last year. If Ellis continues to start the Kings starting five will actually be an above average defense next year. I think Derozan is a smart enough player to function without the ball in his hands all the time but that’s the big question mark.

I think DeRozan will function in whatever capacity the coach asks him to. He's been a great team player his entire career and if they think the best use of him is to sit in the corner to shoot 3s and attack hard closeouts off the dribble, he would do it.

Guy was getting MVP talk 2 years ago.

Would be interested in some kind of bet around how many 3s per game derozan shoots.

I agree with the side that says this doesn’t really do much for the Kings. It doesn’t make them worse and might make them a little better but I doubt it will be in a way that is meaningful. I guess it doesn’t hurt to have a guy who can really get his shot when it gets down to nut cutting time, but it’s hard to see this raising their ceiling that much. And not for the cost of an unprotected 2031 pick swap. Of course we will all probably be dead by then.

Define “meaningful”. Matt Moore’s model has the move adding 4-5 wins. That’s the difference between being a real competitive 4th seed and out of the playoffs. Even a couple wins could be the difference to escape the play in. Sacramento is not exactly a town focused on titles or bust.

I’m not sure that I but 4-5 wins.

But even if it did, how much will it help them in a first round series against okc, Denver, Dallas or Minnesota? Let alone any of the other west contenders. I guess that’s what I mean by meaningful. Maybe it will help them get out of the first round, but that’s about. The meaningfulness of meaningful can be meaningfully different depending on your expected mean… but I don’t think it really moves the needle on Sacramento’s place in the league big picture. Which again does not mean they shouldn’t have done it.

We’re not talking about a team moving from fringe contention to title favorites; this is a team that narrowly missed the playoffs and is trying to get in the playoffs. I think Derozan makes them more likely to make it than they were last week, which I’d consider meaningful.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Are they trying to make the playoffs? Seems like that only would happen if Lamelo Ball and Mark Williams stay healthy (and don't suck).

Charlotte owes San Antonio a lottery protected first for next year which will go to 2 seconds if it doesn’t convey, so would be fairly insane to try to make the playoffs and with a first year coach and new ownership, seems almost impossible that they will try for that

Which deal is that from?

And, yeah, my sense has not been they are trying to make the playoffs. More focused on getting younger.

I think that this is the pick traded for Kai jones which has now ended up with San Antonio

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Charlotte was bidding against who exactly for the right to pay Bridges 3/75??

Not sure but a bargain at that price. 21/7/3 and solid on defense for $25M/yr? That'll be what like 15% of the cap, less by the end of the deal?

Distressed assets are how you find advantages in a capped league. Someone will trade for him by end of that deal for at least a first.

That was my thought too. Definitely going to be traded at some point

Why do you think this?

It's a contract that will be attractive to a contender in a year or two as the cap increases and his legal problems fade (assuming he doesn't do it again).

I'm not sure why you would trade 21/7/3 in the first place if you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in ages.

Are they trying to make the playoffs? Seems like that only would happen if Lamelo Ball and Mark Williams stay healthy (and don't suck).

Charlotte owes San Antonio a lottery protected first for next year which will go to 2 seconds if it doesn’t convey, so would be fairly insane to try to make the playoffs and with a first year coach and new ownership, seems almost impossible that they will try for that

Which deal is that from?

And, yeah, my sense has not been they are trying to make the playoffs. More focused on getting younger.

I think that this is the pick traded for Kai jones which has now ended up with San Antonio

Hawks got it in the reddish deal and then Atlanta put it in the Dejounte deal, but it hasn’t conveyed yet

 

[the moops]

I think Derozan makes them more likely to make it than they were last week, which I’d consider meaningful.

I can get behind this. I like Derozan and wish him and your Kings the best

 

[Frostillicus]

[Smith] End of an era: The Orlando Magic have renounced the draft rights of 2005 1st-round pick Fran Vazquez.

@Capella

 

[BassNBrew]

Michael Jordan would have signed for the minimum.

Micheal Jordan would have lead a team of minimum contract players to the title so he wouldn't need to give back salary for buy help to win a title.

 

[BassNBrew]

Everyone was making this huge deal that Lebron was going to take less and he took a $2.7mm haircut.

How many other players out there eligible for the max took less?

Plenty probably are eligible that weren’t offered their max.

Should have been more specific. I am talking eligible for supermax. All the guys who have signed their 35% max deals, did any of them take a pay cut to save their owners some luxurty tax payments?

Only the ones that convinced their owner to draft their kid.