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2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (42 Viewers)

What's the team's need then?
Shooting????

Lol. Obviously but you made it sound like the solution was simple but a couple months ago you were saying they didn't need to make a change because they had KCP and Black was going to be starting soon. Guard is the only place they have to really improve there.

They can't really upgrade shooting at center because a center that is both a prolific shooter and an accurate one hardly exists - Of the top 150 players in threes taken, there are 10 "real" centers (plus some guys that might be able to play part time like PJ Washington or Chris Boucher but those guys are not what Orlando would possibly be looking for). That list includes guys that 100% would not be traded - Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Jokic plus a few more that are worth more to their current team than anybody else so they wouldn't be traded (Reid, Lopez, Horford, Porzingis). That leaves two centers that shoot a lot of threes that could have been available - Turner and Vucevic. Turner would have been a great pick up if he was available, which there were rumblings about but I never believed after the Pacers starting winning this year. So Vucevic was the only option but he's a terrible defender.

So, if you couldn't upgrade at center and you thought improving at the starting guard spot was a bad idea, where were they going to improve?
Is Lopez really that unobtainable? I don't follow either Orlando or Milwaukee closely, but they appear to be natural trading partners, where Lopez could be just what Orlando needs; and maybe Orlando can send some youth back to Milwaukee.
 
After the Thunder & Nuggets, are the Lakers the next best team entering the playoffs?
Total homer pick, but I'd add the Warriors. Moving up the standings, "30" has help now, Jimmy has money now, DayDay is gelling well with Jimmy, and Kuminga still hasn't played yet. Yes, I know they haven't played top-notch talent for these last 7 games after acquiring Jimmy, but they're winning games that they're supposed to now, where in the past they would've found a way to lose them. They've added a new component to their team that has breathed life and good vibes into this team. They won't make the top 4, but hopefully will be top 6.
 
Luka just makes life so much easier for LeBron. He’s had to carry so much of the offensive load for the Lakers over the years, it’s awesome to see him so energized down the stretch of games. LeBron just took over down the stretch tonight. It also frees him up to give more energy on the defensive end.
If Davis would have played last night, I think Dallas would have won. The Lakers really struggled to beat a team that's missing significant players.
 
What's the team's need then?
Shooting????

Lol. Obviously but you made it sound like the solution was simple but a couple months ago you were saying they didn't need to make a change because they had KCP and Black was going to be starting soon. Guard is the only place they have to really improve there.

They can't really upgrade shooting at center because a center that is both a prolific shooter and an accurate one hardly exists - Of the top 150 players in threes taken, there are 10 "real" centers (plus some guys that might be able to play part time like PJ Washington or Chris Boucher but those guys are not what Orlando would possibly be looking for). That list includes guys that 100% would not be traded - Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Jokic plus a few more that are worth more to their current team than anybody else so they wouldn't be traded (Reid, Lopez, Horford, Porzingis). That leaves two centers that shoot a lot of threes that could have been available - Turner and Vucevic. Turner would have been a great pick up if he was available, which there were rumblings about but I never believed after the Pacers starting winning this year. So Vucevic was the only option but he's a terrible defender.

So, if you couldn't upgrade at center and you thought improving at the starting guard spot was a bad idea, where were they going to improve?
Is Lopez really that unobtainable? I don't follow either Orlando or Milwaukee closely, but they appear to be natural trading partners, where Lopez could be just what Orlando needs; and maybe Orlando can send some youth back to Milwaukee.
I don't think he is/was untouchable, I just don't think that there could be a common ground found to make a trade. The Bucks are still gunning for playoff relevance and don't have another decent center so they would need enough to either backfill that position without sacrificing their playoff outlook or get so much that they were willing to punt on the season - for a 36 year old Lopez or whatever he is on an expiring contract, that wouldn't happen. If Wendell Carter Jr would have been trade eligible, I think there could have been something there, but he was ineligible to be traded.
 
I wonder if you combined the rosters of Washington, Charlotte, New Orleans and Utah and put them in a 7 game series vs any playoff contender if they'd manage to win one game.
Not enough top end talent, but the roster would be incredible deep.

12 man roster

PG - Lamelo Ball, Dejounte Murray, Malcolm Brogdon,
SG - CJ McCollum, Jordan Poole
SF - Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Brandon Miller
PF - Lauri Markannen, Zion Williamson
C - Walker Kessler, Mark Williams
 
I wonder if you combined the rosters of Washington, Charlotte, New Orleans and Utah and put them in a 7 game series vs any playoff contender if they'd manage to win one game.
Not enough top end talent, but the roster would be incredible deep.

12 man roster

PG - Lamelo Ball, Dejounte Murray, Malcolm Brogdon,
SG - CJ McCollum, Jordan Poole
SF - Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Brandon Miller
PF - Lauri Markannen, Zion Williamson
C - Walker Kessler, Mark Williams
No need to combine rosters. The Lakers just lost to Utah and Charlotte on either end of the all star break.
 
Luka just makes life so much easier for LeBron. He’s had to carry so much of the offensive load for the Lakers over the years, it’s awesome to see him so energized down the stretch of games. LeBron just took over down the stretch tonight. It also frees him up to give more energy on the defensive end.
If Davis would have played last night, I think Dallas would have won. The Lakers really struggled to beat a team that's missing significant players.
"If Davis would have played last night" :wink: He's glossed Street Clothes for a reason.

The Brow's fit last night was hysterical too. Looked like his stylist turned the knob to 11 for that one. Hopefully it's the same stylist that recommended his "that's all folks!" tshirt when he postured his way out of New Orleans.

Did enjoy JJ Redick touting LeBron James' defense though. Uh, okay. He's smart to do so though. The night Luka is getting ALL the attention and people are seriously talking today about LeBron's great defense of late. Chef's kiss to JJ, he gets it.

I love James' game and he's obviously a freak to be doing what he's doing at 40. Let's hold off on how good his defense is though, especially after he just faced the Mavs interior without AD, Derek Lively, and Daniel Gafford. It's not like the Lakeshow slowed down Kyrie or Klay much.
 
"NBA Centel" appears to have been given the heave-ho from Twitter.

When news first broke of the Luka/Davis trade, I was certain that the account had gotten its hook (once again) into the mainstream.
 
After the Thunder & Nuggets, are the Lakers the next best team entering the playoffs?
Total homer pick, but I'd add the Warriors. Moving up the standings, "30" has help now, Jimmy has money now, DayDay is gelling well with Jimmy, and Kuminga still hasn't played yet. Yes, I know they haven't played top-notch talent for these last 7 games after acquiring Jimmy, but they're winning games that they're supposed to now, where in the past they would've found a way to lose them. They've added a new component to their team that has breathed life and good vibes into this team. They won't make the top 4, but hopefully will be top 6.

Agreed. The Warriors are definitely the team I don't want the Rockets playing in the 1st round
 
Luka just makes life so much easier for LeBron. He’s had to carry so much of the offensive load for the Lakers over the years, it’s awesome to see him so energized down the stretch of games. LeBron just took over down the stretch tonight. It also frees him up to give more energy on the defensive end.
If Davis would have played last night, I think Dallas would have won. The Lakers really struggled to beat a team that's missing significant players.
"If Davis would have played last night" :wink: He's glossed Street Clothes for a reason.

The Brow's fit last night was hysterical too. Looked like his stylist turned the knob to 11 for that one. Hopefully it's the same stylist that recommended his "that's all folks!" tshirt when he postured his way out of New Orleans.

Did enjoy JJ Redick touting LeBron James' defense though. Uh, okay. He's smart to do so though. The night Luka is getting ALL the attention and people are seriously talking today about LeBron's great defense of late. Chef's kiss to JJ, he gets it.

I love James' game and he's obviously a freak to be doing what he's doing at 40. Let's hold off on how good his defense is though, especially after he just faced the Mavs interior without AD, Derek Lively, and Daniel Gafford. It's not like the Lakeshow slowed down Kyrie or Klay much.
Get ready for years of "the Mavs would have won this trade had AD stayed healthy" excuses when one of the 39 reasons this trade was beyond stupid was that you essentially traded Luka for a guy in his 30s who has a history of being hurt.
 
Well, they’re certainly doing their best to tank against the Bulls tonight.
I didn't see the game.

Who was guarding Giddey?

The Bulls were up by 40 at one point and scored 142. I don't think the 76ers guarded anyone.
They were actually up by 50 at one point!
136-86 with five and half minutes to go
It was so bad that they made guerschon go blind
My favorite “highlight” was when one Sixer airballed a three pointer so bad it bounced off the forehead of a would-be offensive rebounder directly out of bounds.
Show some respect. The sixer who airballed it was David Roddy and the man who got almost knocked out was Adem Bona.
 
I wonder if you combined the rosters of Washington, Charlotte, New Orleans and Utah and put them in a 7 game series vs any playoff contender if they'd manage to win one game.
Not enough top end talent, but the roster would be incredible deep.

12 man roster

PG - Lamelo Ball, Dejounte Murray, Malcolm Brogdon,
SG - CJ McCollum, Jordan Poole
SF - Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Brandon Miller
PF - Lauri Markannen, Zion Williamson
C - Walker Kessler, Mark Williams
Feel like you'd have to have Smart in that backcourt rotation for the defense.

Overall, too many players who are really good at one end and poor at the other. Particularly on the wings although I'm pretty confident that Miller will develop into that long term.

I think a good coach could make it work though.
 
What's the team's need then?
Shooting????

Lol. Obviously but you made it sound like the solution was simple but a couple months ago you were saying they didn't need to make a change because they had KCP and Black was going to be starting soon. Guard is the only place they have to really improve there.

They can't really upgrade shooting at center because a center that is both a prolific shooter and an accurate one hardly exists - Of the top 150 players in threes taken, there are 10 "real" centers (plus some guys that might be able to play part time like PJ Washington or Chris Boucher but those guys are not what Orlando would possibly be looking for). That list includes guys that 100% would not be traded - Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Jokic plus a few more that are worth more to their current team than anybody else so they wouldn't be traded (Reid, Lopez, Horford, Porzingis). That leaves two centers that shoot a lot of threes that could have been available - Turner and Vucevic. Turner would have been a great pick up if he was available, which there were rumblings about but I never believed after the Pacers starting winning this year. So Vucevic was the only option but he's a terrible defender.

So, if you couldn't upgrade at center and you thought improving at the starting guard spot was a bad idea, where were they going to improve?
The reality of the situation is that Orlando is not near Boston or Cleveland, hell probably not NYK even.

Couple that with the horrible injury luck this season and I have ZERO complaints about not making a move at the deadline.

I think Orlando has finished 4 games with Suggs, Franz, and Paolo this season. Those 3 are the core for sure. I'd suggest that all 3 will shoot better than they currently are when they are all healthy and playing together for some time.

Then you have C position, which you noted. Myles Turner is UFA. I am never positive about NBA contract and what not, but I assume Orlando could work a sign and trade if he wanted to come. (WCJ+KCP+ Anthony is $45ish).

Finally you have PG and I tend to agree with Cappy. Anthony Black is the guy. He certainly isn't shooting well and he will need to improve but he is already on the team and fits what Orlando does and likes.

AB
Suggs
Franz
Paolo
Turner

Isaac
Bitadze
Wagner
Harris 🤮
Howard
TDS

I would hope they throw money at 1-2 shooters for hire with their MLE or whatever.

I am hugely disappointed that Orlando seems to have taken a step back this season as far as success. I had high hopes but they had some bad luck and frankly Cleveland and NYK got really good. Clock is ticking on the FO, they need to surround Franz and Paolo with the right guys.
 
What's the team's need then?
Shooting????

Lol. Obviously but you made it sound like the solution was simple but a couple months ago you were saying they didn't need to make a change because they had KCP and Black was going to be starting soon. Guard is the only place they have to really improve there.

They can't really upgrade shooting at center because a center that is both a prolific shooter and an accurate one hardly exists - Of the top 150 players in threes taken, there are 10 "real" centers (plus some guys that might be able to play part time like PJ Washington or Chris Boucher but those guys are not what Orlando would possibly be looking for). That list includes guys that 100% would not be traded - Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Jokic plus a few more that are worth more to their current team than anybody else so they wouldn't be traded (Reid, Lopez, Horford, Porzingis). That leaves two centers that shoot a lot of threes that could have been available - Turner and Vucevic. Turner would have been a great pick up if he was available, which there were rumblings about but I never believed after the Pacers starting winning this year. So Vucevic was the only option but he's a terrible defender.

So, if you couldn't upgrade at center and you thought improving at the starting guard spot was a bad idea, where were they going to improve?
The reality of the situation is that Orlando is not near Boston or Cleveland, hell probably not NYK even.

Couple that with the horrible injury luck this season and I have ZERO complaints about not making a move at the deadline.

I think Orlando has finished 4 games with Suggs, Franz, and Paolo this season. Those 3 are the core for sure. I'd suggest that all 3 will shoot better than they currently are when they are all healthy and playing together for some time.

Then you have C position, which you noted. Myles Turner is UFA. I am never positive about NBA contract and what not, but I assume Orlando could work a sign and trade if he wanted to come. (WCJ+KCP+ Anthony is $45ish).

Finally you have PG and I tend to agree with Cappy. Anthony Black is the guy. He certainly isn't shooting well and he will need to improve but he is already on the team and fits what Orlando does and likes.

AB
Suggs
Franz
Paolo
Turner

Isaac
Bitadze
Wagner
Harris 🤮
Howard
TDS

I would hope they throw money at 1-2 shooters for hire with their MLE or whatever.

I am hugely disappointed that Orlando seems to have taken a step back this season as far as success. I had high hopes but they had some bad luck and frankly Cleveland and NYK got really good. Clock is ticking on the FO, they need to surround Franz and Paolo with the right guys.

I'm not sure they should have made a move either, unless it was going to come cheap. That said, I still think Simons is a great fit next to their starters and would have both helped now but is generally on the same timeline as the rest of the team so would have been a long term solution as well.

Their three core guys might shoot better than this year but I wouldn't count on crazy improvement. Suggs shot the **** out of the ball last year but his other three seasons he's been at .327 or below and shot .337 on the shorter college line. Paolo has been between .293 and .339 for his career (.338 in college). Franz has similar college shooting number to the other two had two decent shooting years his first two years (.354, .361) then lost his shot (.281 and .308). They have shot .329, .313, and .327, respectively for their careers. WCJ completely losing his shot has made the situation worse.

If this team ever makes a real push for a championship, I think it is more likely that they trade one of their three core guys to get more shooting than it is that they improve enough behind the line organically.
 
Loving the Pistons right now, if Cade can get more efficient (should happen if they get another playmaker) Holland can develop and Ivey can come back and be what he was pre injury, then we might have something here. I really wanted them to go get Cam Johnson a couple of years ago and I would still be open to that or even maybe Markannen.
 
What's the team's need then?
Shooting????

Lol. Obviously but you made it sound like the solution was simple but a couple months ago you were saying they didn't need to make a change because they had KCP and Black was going to be starting soon. Guard is the only place they have to really improve there.

They can't really upgrade shooting at center because a center that is both a prolific shooter and an accurate one hardly exists - Of the top 150 players in threes taken, there are 10 "real" centers (plus some guys that might be able to play part time like PJ Washington or Chris Boucher but those guys are not what Orlando would possibly be looking for). That list includes guys that 100% would not be traded - Wemby, JJJ, KAT, Jokic plus a few more that are worth more to their current team than anybody else so they wouldn't be traded (Reid, Lopez, Horford, Porzingis). That leaves two centers that shoot a lot of threes that could have been available - Turner and Vucevic. Turner would have been a great pick up if he was available, which there were rumblings about but I never believed after the Pacers starting winning this year. So Vucevic was the only option but he's a terrible defender.

So, if you couldn't upgrade at center and you thought improving at the starting guard spot was a bad idea, where were they going to improve?
The reality of the situation is that Orlando is not near Boston or Cleveland, hell probably not NYK even.

Couple that with the horrible injury luck this season and I have ZERO complaints about not making a move at the deadline.

I think Orlando has finished 4 games with Suggs, Franz, and Paolo this season. Those 3 are the core for sure. I'd suggest that all 3 will shoot better than they currently are when they are all healthy and playing together for some time.

Then you have C position, which you noted. Myles Turner is UFA. I am never positive about NBA contract and what not, but I assume Orlando could work a sign and trade if he wanted to come. (WCJ+KCP+ Anthony is $45ish).

Finally you have PG and I tend to agree with Cappy. Anthony Black is the guy. He certainly isn't shooting well and he will need to improve but he is already on the team and fits what Orlando does and likes.

AB
Suggs
Franz
Paolo
Turner

Isaac
Bitadze
Wagner
Harris 🤮
Howard
TDS

I would hope they throw money at 1-2 shooters for hire with their MLE or whatever.

I am hugely disappointed that Orlando seems to have taken a step back this season as far as success. I had high hopes but they had some bad luck and frankly Cleveland and NYK got really good. Clock is ticking on the FO, they need to surround Franz and Paolo with the right guys.

I'm not sure they should have made a move either, unless it was going to come cheap. That said, I still think Simons is a great fit next to their starters and would have both helped now but is generally on the same timeline as the rest of the team so would have been a long term solution as well.

Their three core guys might shoot better than this year but I wouldn't count on crazy improvement. Suggs shot the **** out of the ball last year but his other three seasons he's been at .327 or below and shot .337 on the shorter college line. Paolo has been between .293 and .339 for his career (.338 in college). Franz has similar college shooting number to the other two had two decent shooting years his first two years (.354, .361) then lost his shot (.281 and .308). They have shot .329, .313, and .327, respectively for their careers. WCJ completely losing his shot has made the situation worse.

If this team ever makes a real push for a championship, I think it is more likely that they trade one of their three core guys to get more shooting than it is that they improve enough behind the line organically.
I have a ton of faith that Paolo/Franz/Suggs can be the guys to lead them to the promised land. They are 23 and 22 years old.

It will be hard to thread the needle on the C position being a + shooter like you outlined before. I hope they figure it out. Or they go and upgrade the PG spot with Irving/Trae/Simmons I guess. Who knows what will be available in the off season.

At the time I loved KCP signing. He just fell off a cliff shooting this season. Orlando is still creating a ton of open looks. Like middle of the pack for the league and shooting 30th. Time will tell, but this season specifically has been cancelled with injuries. Doesn't count. Sorry
 
This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
 
This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
I don't know. I see your line of thinking but I don't think they will have an answer for the Joker. Seems like this is the kind of game where he'll go berserk and have like a 30/12/10 type of line and manage to beat the Pistons by 4-5 points.
 
This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
The Nuggets are 10-1 on the second night of a back to back this season. The only loss was against the Rockets without Jokic or Gordon.
 
This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
I don't know. I see your line of thinking but I don't think they will have an answer for the Joker. Seems like this is the kind of game where he'll go berserk and have like a 30/12/10 type of line and manage to beat the Pistons by 4-5 points.
So like exactly an average game for him (he's averaging 29.2/12.6/10.4)
 
This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
The Nuggets are 10-1 on the second night of a back to back this season. The only loss was against the Rockets without Jokic or Gordon.

But they haven't been against a team like the Pistons!
 
Loving the Pistons right now, if Cade can get more efficient (should happen if they get another playmaker) Holland can develop and Ivey can come back and be what he was pre injury, then we might have something here. I really wanted them to go get Cam Johnson a couple of years ago and I would still be open to that or even maybe Markannen.
Would you ike a Julius Randle?
 
Curry turning back the clock tonight.

56 points on 12 for 19 from 3.
:shock:
He's been great this season and Butler seems to have rejuvenated him.

Too bad he plays with the NBA's biggest tool and for a d-bag head coach.
What’s the beef with Kerr?

Butt hurt over Taytum's playing time at the Olympics and I'm sure other stuff that has nothing to do with his hall of fame career.
I'm sure he'll get in as a coach and deserves it. His offensive innovation around Curry was brilliant.

As a player, he was a footnote. His career 3-pt% is #1 all-time, but he shot less than 2 per game. There are about 25 guys in the league today that would threaten that mark if they only shot wide open spot up 3's. His 5 rings are less deserved than even Horry's 7 as he only started a total of 33 games in his entire career, including playoffs. He was a niche role player that got lucky to play on some great teams with a couple of all-time greats.

My main issues with him as a coach are:
  • He has enabled and excused Draymond's violent behavior for about a decade because it helps his career. He has shown no integrity on this issue.
  • He typically goes on an anti-ref rant a couple of times a year. Since he's never attempted to do the job of officiating and they arent allowed to publicly respond, I thinks that's some gutless BS.
  • Yes, the Tatum Olympics thing. There was zero basketball justification for him to get DNP's. I believe it was an intentional slight and I think Kerr was dishonest when asked about it.
And no, I don't like his politics and he has chosen to use his platform to make political statements on multiple occasions. But that stuff doesn't matter that much. I'd still call him a d-bag based on the 3 points above even if he was aligned with me politically 100%.
 
Amazing TSJ rotted on the Wolves bench much of the season. Guy is a terror in transition. Unstoppable when he gets downhill. Crazy he lasted to pick 27.
 
Loving the Pistons right now, if Cade can get more efficient (should happen if they get another playmaker) Holland can develop and Ivey can come back and be what he was pre injury, then we might have something here. I really wanted them to go get Cam Johnson a couple of years ago and I would still be open to that or even maybe Markannen.
Would you ike a Julius Randle?

There are a lot more fans in the stands lately. I am sure they could use another beer or hot dog vendor.
 
Curry turning back the clock tonight.

56 points on 12 for 19 from 3.
:shock:
He's been great this season and Butler seems to have rejuvenated him.

Too bad he plays with the NBA's biggest tool and for a d-bag head coach.
What’s the beef with Kerr?

Butt hurt over Taytum's playing time at the Olympics and I'm sure other stuff that has nothing to do with his hall of fame career.
I'm sure he'll get in as a coach and deserves it. His offensive innovation around Curry was brilliant.

As a player, he was a footnote. His career 3-pt% is #1 all-time, but he shot less than 2 per game. There are about 25 guys in the league today that would threaten that mark if they only shot wide open spot up 3's. His 5 rings are less deserved than even Horry's 7 as he only started a total of 33 games in his entire career, including playoffs. He was a niche role player that got lucky to play on some great teams with a couple of all-time greats.

My main issues with him as a coach are:
  • He has enabled and excused Draymond's violent behavior for about a decade because it helps his career. He has shown no integrity on this issue.
  • He typically goes on an anti-ref rant a couple of times a year. Since he's never attempted to do the job of officiating and they arent allowed to publicly respond, I thinks that's some gutless BS.
  • Yes, the Tatum Olympics thing. There was zero basketball justification for him to get DNP's. I believe it was an intentional slight and I think Kerr was dishonest when asked about it.
And no, I don't like his politics and he has chosen to use his platform to make political statements on multiple occasions. But that stuff doesn't matter that much. I'd still call him a d-bag based on the 3 points above even if he was aligned with me politically 100%.
I don’t think GM was calling his playing career Hall of Fame worthy?
This is what happens when someone hysterically throws the kitchen sink at someone
 
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This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
The Nuggets are 10-1 on the second night of a back to back this season. The only loss was against the Rockets without Jokic or Gordon.

But they haven't been against a team like the Pistons!
Well, actually, one of their 10 second night of a back to back wins was against the Pistons right after Christmas.
 
I know. Just pointing out how his entire pro basketball life has been more about being in the right place at the right time than any level of greatness.
He was far from a superstar but was a decent role player for those Bulls teams. Would they have won as many titles without him? Probably, but he wasn't just some bench scrub along for the ride.

And he was a tremendous college player.
 
This feels weird to say, but I expect the Pistons to win tomorrow against the Nuggets. Nuggets will be on a back to back and the third game of a four game road trip with a match up against the Celtics after.
The Nuggets are 10-1 on the second night of a back to back this season. The only loss was against the Rockets without Jokic or Gordon.

But they haven't been against a team like the Pistons!
Well, actually, one of their 10 second night of a back to back wins was against the Pistons right after Christmas.

Right, NOT this Pistons team! Lol
 
Bron with 33/17/12 last night. Him transforming into a 1990s power forward and banging in the paint is awesome.
god, i can't wait until the NBA stops forcing this end-of-the-line over-hyped "superstar" on us when he's clearly just playing out the string for attention

triple-doubles are a worthless Russell Westbrook stat that just points to how selfish a player is. Michael Jordan would never have done what LeBron is doing at this age. it's a shame.
 
The Bucks gave Denver a good game last night in Milwaukee. Jokic had another triple double but Giannis owned that game and the Bucks supporting cast were the difference.
I would argue that MPJ was the difference. He played one of his worst games that I can remember, and he throws up some stinkers from time to time. Completely lost on defense and 5-22 from the field. Game worst -20.
 
Curry turning back the clock tonight.

56 points on 12 for 19 from 3.
:shock:
He's been great this season and Butler seems to have rejuvenated him.

Too bad he plays with the NBA's biggest tool and for a d-bag head coach.
What’s the beef with Kerr?

Butt hurt over Taytum's playing time at the Olympics and I'm sure other stuff that has nothing to do with his hall of fame career.
I'm sure he'll get in as a coach and deserves it. His offensive innovation around Curry was brilliant.

As a player, he was a footnote. His career 3-pt% is #1 all-time, but he shot less than 2 per game. There are about 25 guys in the league today that would threaten that mark if they only shot wide open spot up 3's. His 5 rings are less deserved than even Horry's 7 as he only started a total of 33 games in his entire career, including playoffs. He was a niche role player that got lucky to play on some great teams with a couple of all-time greats.

My main issues with him as a coach are:
  • He has enabled and excused Draymond's violent behavior for about a decade because it helps his career. He has shown no integrity on this issue.
  • He typically goes on an anti-ref rant a couple of times a year. Since he's never attempted to do the job of officiating and they arent allowed to publicly respond, I thinks that's some gutless BS.
  • Yes, the Tatum Olympics thing. There was zero basketball justification for him to get DNP's. I believe it was an intentional slight and I think Kerr was dishonest when asked about it.
And no, I don't like his politics and he has chosen to use his platform to make political statements on multiple occasions. But that stuff doesn't matter that much. I'd still call him a d-bag based on the 3 points above even if he was aligned with me politically 100%.
I don’t think GM was calling his playing career Hall of Fame worthy?
I know. Just pointing out how his entire pro basketball life has been more about being in the right place at the right time than any level of greatness.
Curry turning back the clock tonight.

56 points on 12 for 19 from 3.
:shock:
He's been great this season and Butler seems to have rejuvenated him.

Too bad he plays with the NBA's biggest tool and for a d-bag head coach.
What’s the beef with Kerr?

Butt hurt over Taytum's playing time at the Olympics and I'm sure other stuff that has nothing to do with his hall of fame career.
I'm sure he'll get in as a coach and deserves it. His offensive innovation around Curry was brilliant.

As a player, he was a footnote. His career 3-pt% is #1 all-time, but he shot less than 2 per game. There are about 25 guys in the league today that would threaten that mark if they only shot wide open spot up 3's. His 5 rings are less deserved than even Horry's 7 as he only started a total of 33 games in his entire career, including playoffs. He was a niche role player that got lucky to play on some great teams with a couple of all-time greats.

My main issues with him as a coach are:
  • He has enabled and excused Draymond's violent behavior for about a decade because it helps his career. He has shown no integrity on this issue.
  • He typically goes on an anti-ref rant a couple of times a year. Since he's never attempted to do the job of officiating and they arent allowed to publicly respond, I thinks that's some gutless BS.
  • Yes, the Tatum Olympics thing. There was zero basketball justification for him to get DNP's. I believe it was an intentional slight and I think Kerr was dishonest when asked about it.
And no, I don't like his politics and he has chosen to use his platform to make political statements on multiple occasions. But that stuff doesn't matter that much. I'd still call him a d-bag based on the 3 points above even if he was aligned with me politically 100%.
I don’t think GM was calling his playing career Hall of Fame worthy?

No, I'm not an idiot. I may not immerse myself in the NBA like some of you folks but I know a Hall of Fame coach when I see one.

I like his politics. He's almost always right. The guy wants sensible gun laws so innocents stop getting shot. The horror!!!!

No politics.
Yes that's the ONLY political point he's EVER made. :rolleyes:

You can be such an *** sometimes. You are the Draymond Green of the FFA. Lots of talent but every now and then you kick someone in the nuts.

Too be fair the reasons you listed are pretty weak on why he is a d bag. You wouldn't care if anyone else got benched, but it was a guy from your team. Draymond is a grown adult, you can't hold another adult responsible for his actions. I am sure people (Steph, Klay, Kerr etc) have told Draymond to tone it down behind closed doors and he just doesn't listen. Lastly everyone has politics they believe in, just because you disagree with them doesn't make them a d bag.
Your face is pretty weak.
 

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