2024-25 NBA Thread: for the second time, somebody in Dallas hits low percentage shot that leads to a generation of conspiracy theories (32 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

Nice performance by the #1 seed, embarrassing.

Almost as bad as your drive byes here.

 

[General Malaise]

Is this 41 point halftime lead due to lack of rest?

Must be because of the lack of mile-highedness
Brother!

's

If we gave the Cavs skates so they could just glide, would that help them?

 

[scoobus]

This thread is definitely in playoffs mode.

I'm almost missing the complaining about the refs.

 

[msudaisy26]

This thread is definitely in playoffs mode.

I'm almost missing the complaining about the refs.

How dare you!

 

[msudaisy26]

Is this 41 point halftime lead due to lack of rest?

Must be because of the lack of mile-highedness
Brother!

's

If we gave the Cavs skates so they could just glide, would that help them?

It wouldn't hurt.

 

[msudaisy26]

These teams don't like each other. I am starting to wonder if the closeout game is this lopsided if there will be a fight.

 

[identikit]

Pacers letting up here.

I no like

 

[msudaisy26]

Pacers letting up here.

I no like

They are up 36.

 

[identikit]

Pacers letting up here.

I no like

They are up 36.

No
Let
Up

 

[ShamrockPride]

Pacers Knicks ECF? Party like it's 1999.

 

[Capella]

Going on vacation tomorrow with limited internet access. Try not to have stupid arguments in here.

 

[General Malaise]

Going on vacation tomorrow with limited internet access. Try not to have stupid arguments in here.

I sure hope you have extra days of rest to be able to be the best version of yourself Bropella and take that to the bank.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Both teams look exhausted. I hope the NBA is happy with their decision for the quick turn around

They have been following the same schedule for years. One-on-one-off, one day for travel

 

[cheese]

What a first half by the Pacers. I don't think I've seen a Myles Turner step back 3 in a decade of watching him. Every missed shot became a runout.

So far Rick Carlisle is winning the coaching battle. The Cavs zone was a huge factor in game3 and he solved it completely in the off day. Nice to see Siakam taking charge for a stretch too. He is surprisingly doing way better against Mobley than against Wade.

It was weird that Mitchell didn't even sit on the bench in the 2h, so I'm not sure if there is more to the story, but I am assuming he is in for game5 until someone says otherwise as the score made it unnecessary to push it. Cavs are definitely capable of winning 3 straight including 2 at home, but the Pacers are honestly outplaying them and are both the hotter team and the healthier team.

 

[msudaisy26]

What a first half by the Pacers. I don't think I've seen a Myles Turner step back 3 in a decade of watching him. Every missed shot became a runout.

So far Rick Carlisle is winning the coaching battle. The Cavs zone was a huge factor in game3 and he solved it completely in the off day. Nice to see Siakam taking charge for a stretch too. He is surprisingly doing way better against Mobley than against Wade.

It was weird that Mitchell didn't even sit on the bench in the 2h, so I'm not sure if there is more to the story, but I am assuming he is in for game5 until someone says otherwise as the score made it unnecessary to push it. Cavs are definitely capable of winning 3 straight including 2 at home, but the Pacers are honestly outplaying them and are both the hotter team and the healthier team.

Carlisle is a very underrated coach. If he wins a title with the Pacers we need to upgrade his legacy.

Mitchell hurt his ankle in warm ups for the second half. I am sure he was getting treatment or flying back early so he can get an MRI today.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm more anxious about Boston tonight than I've been in 2 years. Unfortunately, I'll have to record it and watch it later as I have a family obligation this evening.

This is a season (and era) defining game. Win and take control of the series again and get poised to make another Finals run and possibly go back to back. Lose and you are likely going to get beat in the 2nd round and last year's title will be labeled a lucky fluke with a ton of roster questions going into the offseason. All the criticism of Tatum would suddenly seem justified and proven right. The Finals loss to Golden State and the ECF loss to Miami both felt like steps in the process of growing and maturing. But now, after having already won it all, a playoff upset like this would be a major blow to the entire Tatum/Brown era. They are still young enough that another run is in the cards, but this roster is about as good as they could hope for.

It's been discussed previously, but I am pretty sure they can't keep this core of 9 guys together again after this season. I don't know everyone's contract status but keeping Tatum & Brown will likely make it impossible to keep everyone else. Horford could easily retire, Holiday and Porzingis haven't been healthy and are showing some age and cost more than they are worth at this point. Pritchard is going to be tough to keep on an affordable deal as well. Derrick White is probably the 3rd priority behind the Jays but could really cash in on the open market. One bright spot is Kornet who is becoming a poor man's Zubac and may end up a decent starting center for Boston but not cost much. Hauser won't be tough to keep, but they could possibly upgrade from him as he's not been a factor this post season.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

 

[msudaisy26]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

Just came to post this. Here is the link.

Giannis open to exploring best fits outside Bucks

For the first time in his career, Giannis Antetokounmpo is open-minded about exploring whether his best long-term fit is remaining in Milwaukee or playing elsewhere, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[Juxtatarot]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

Just came to post this. Here is the link.

Giannis open to exploring best fits outside Bucks

For the first time in his career, Giannis Antetokounmpo is open-minded about exploring whether his best long-term fit is remaining in Milwaukee or playing elsewhere, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

I’m sure Giannis is conflicted at least to a certain extent but I wonder if this is the nice way to demand a trade.

 

[mr. furley]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

"contacts with sources close to those who have knowledge of people inside the organization connected to members of Giannis's extended circle have reported that Giannis could either continue to play in Milwaukee, or may play elsewhere, and an announcement could be made as soon as today."

 

[Jayrod]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

"contacts with sources close to those who have knowledge of people inside the organization connected to members of Giannis's extended circle have reported that Giannis could either continue to play in Milwaukee, or may play elsewhere, and an announcement could be made as soon as today."

Welp, that's good enough for me. He's as good as gone it sounds like.

But seriously, there is a lot of noise around this and it had been hinted at prior to the end of the season so it wouldn't surprise me, but the rumor mill can be wild sometimes.

 

[the moops]

Houston has gotta make the move for him. Jabari, Jalen, Sheppard + picks for Giannis + minimum works

 

[dickey moe]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

"contacts with sources close to those who have knowledge of people inside the organization connected to members of Giannis's extended circle have reported that Giannis could either continue to play in Milwaukee, or may play elsewhere, and an announcement could be made as soon as today."

"Want more? Subscribe to ESPN Insider!"

 

[Anarchy99]

I'm more anxious about Boston tonight than I've been in 2 years. Unfortunately, I'll have to record it and watch it later as I have a family obligation this evening.

This is a season (and era) defining game. Win and take control of the series again and get poised to make another Finals run and possibly go back to back. Lose and you are likely going to get beat in the 2nd round and last year's title will be labeled a lucky fluke with a ton of roster questions going into the offseason. All the criticism of Tatum would suddenly seem justified and proven right. The Finals loss to Golden State and the ECF loss to Miami both felt like steps in the process of growing and maturing. But now, after having already won it all, a playoff upset like this would be a major blow to the entire Tatum/Brown era. They are still young enough that another run is in the cards, but this roster is about as good as they could hope for.

It's been discussed previously, but I am pretty sure they can't keep this core of 9 guys together again after this season. I don't know everyone's contract status but keeping Tatum & Brown will likely make it impossible to keep everyone else. Horford could easily retire, Holiday and Porzingis haven't been healthy and are showing some age and cost more than they are worth at this point. Pritchard is going to be tough to keep on an affordable deal as well. Derrick White is probably the 3rd priority behind the Jays but could really cash in on the open market. One bright spot is Kornet who is becoming a poor man's Zubac and may end up a decent starting center for Boston but not cost much. Hauser won't be tough to keep, but they could possibly upgrade from him as he's not been a factor this post season.

Pritchard ($23M) and White ($98M) are signed for 3 more seasons. Porzingis and Holiday are the obvious players to move off of. Holiday is signed for 2 more years ($67M) but didn't look great in the regular season. He's been better in the playoffs, which is why they brought him in in the first place. Porzingis is signed for one more year (almost $31M). His biggest issue has been availability. He's usually fine when he's healthy, which is close to never.

The other logical player to move off of is Hauser (4/$45M), as Scheierman seems like he could fill a similar role as an outside shooting presence. They could probably get Al to stick around for low dollars. Keeping Kornet might be a problem. He only made $2 million this year and will be a free agent. They can't pay him what he is worth, and on the open market he would likely earn way more than BOS could offer him.

As I mentioned previously, Brown's contract (4/$236M) was deemed the worst contract in the league earlier this season, so even if they wanted to trade him, there might not be a ton of takers. The bigger issue for the expensive guys is that they would have to trade them and not take back much in salary. There are hardly any teams that can just absorb salary. The C's would probably have to trade one or two of the main players with picks as sweetener and potentially not get much back in return to save both salary and luxury tax.

Keeping Tatum and Brown for $107M next year at almost 70% of the cap (and more dollars every year thereafter) will continue to be a huge burden. Since they can't aggregate contracts in trades, it would get really tough to pull things off that made any modicum of sense.

As far as this season goes, Basketball Reference has the updated chances of each team winning the East at: BOS 37.6%, CLE 23.9%, NYK, 21%, and IND 17.5%. That doesn't make much sense to me, as IND only needs to win one game to get to the ECF. They are listed as 64.6% to close out the Cavs. They have the Celtics down a game at 53.5% to beat the Knicks in the series.

Boston has lost 3 games this postseason by a combined 6 points when they shot a combined 26% on 3P. I get it, those second halves have been ugly as sin, but they still almost won. This year, they won 75% of the time when they shoot 35% from three. The league average was 37.6%. I'm not a huge fan of them continuing to shoot threes when they are up by 20 points, but Joe mentioned he would rather they took open threes than got closer to the rim and shot contested twos. If they can avoid a rock fight tonight, they should be able to play close to their usually game (which would give them a decent chance of winning). For whatever reason, they play better on the road.

 

[Jayrod]

I'm more anxious about Boston tonight than I've been in 2 years. Unfortunately, I'll have to record it and watch it later as I have a family obligation this evening.

This is a season (and era) defining game. Win and take control of the series again and get poised to make another Finals run and possibly go back to back. Lose and you are likely going to get beat in the 2nd round and last year's title will be labeled a lucky fluke with a ton of roster questions going into the offseason. All the criticism of Tatum would suddenly seem justified and proven right. The Finals loss to Golden State and the ECF loss to Miami both felt like steps in the process of growing and maturing. But now, after having already won it all, a playoff upset like this would be a major blow to the entire Tatum/Brown era. They are still young enough that another run is in the cards, but this roster is about as good as they could hope for.

It's been discussed previously, but I am pretty sure they can't keep this core of 9 guys together again after this season. I don't know everyone's contract status but keeping Tatum & Brown will likely make it impossible to keep everyone else. Horford could easily retire, Holiday and Porzingis haven't been healthy and are showing some age and cost more than they are worth at this point. Pritchard is going to be tough to keep on an affordable deal as well. Derrick White is probably the 3rd priority behind the Jays but could really cash in on the open market. One bright spot is Kornet who is becoming a poor man's Zubac and may end up a decent starting center for Boston but not cost much. Hauser won't be tough to keep, but they could possibly upgrade from him as he's not been a factor this post season.

Pritchard ($23M) and White ($98M) are signed for 3 more seasons. Porzingis and Holiday are the obvious players to move off of. Holiday is signed for 2 more years ($67M) but didn't look great in the regular season. He's been better in the playoffs, which is why they brought him in in the first place. Porzingis is signed for one more year (almost $31M). His biggest issue has been availability. He's usually fine when he's healthy, which is close to never.

The other logical player to move off of is Hauser (4/$45M), as Scheierman seems like he could fill a similar role as an outside shooting presence. They could probably get Al to stick around for low dollars. Keeping Kornet might be a problem. He only made $2 million this year and will be a free agent. They can't pay him what he is worth, and on the open market he would likely earn way more than BOS could offer him.

As I mentioned previously, Brown's contract (4/$236M) was deemed the worst contract in the league earlier this season, so even if they wanted to trade him, there might not be a ton of takers. The bigger issue for the expensive guys is that they would have to trade them and not take back much in salary. There are hardly any teams that can just absorb salary. The C's would probably have to trade one or two of the main players with picks as sweetener and potentially not get much back in return to save both salary and luxury tax.

Keeping Tatum and Brown for $107M next year at almost 70% of the cap (and more dollars every year thereafter) will continue to be a huge burden. Since they can't aggregate contracts in trades, it would get really tough to pull things off that made any modicum of sense.

As far as this season goes, Basketball Reference has the updated chances of each team winning the East at: BOS 37.6%, CLE 23.9%, NYK, 21%, and IND 17.5%. That doesn't make much sense to me, as IND only needs to win one game to get to the ECF. They are listed as 64.6% to close out the Cavs. They have the Celtics down a game at 53.5% to beat the Knicks in the series.

Boston has lost 3 games this postseason by a combined 6 points when they shot a combined 26% on 3P. I get it, those second halves have been ugly as sin, but they still almost won. This year, they won 75% of the time when they shoot 35% from three. The league average was 37.6%. I'm not a huge fan of them continuing to shoot threes when they are up by 20 points, but Joe mentioned he would rather they took open threes than got closer to the rim and shot contested twos. If they can avoid a rock fight tonight, they should be able to play close to their usually game (which would give them a decent chance of winning). For whatever reason, they play better on the road.

Thanks. As much as I love the NBA, I know next to nothing about the contracts & financial side of things. Which is kind of ironic since I have a BA in Finance and have worked 20+ years as an accountant. Maybe I just see the NBA as an escape from my day job or something, but I just care more about the X's & O's on the court than the $$'s in the front office.

 

[Major]

Houston has gotta make the move for him. Jabari, Jalen, Sheppard + picks for Giannis + minimum works

I don't think it makes much sense as he doesnt solves any of Houston's shooting issues. We need a shooter/playmaker type. Booker > Giannis for Houston. OKC seems like the better fit.

 

[Anarchy99]

Thanks. As much as I love the NBA, I know next to nothing about the contracts & financial side of things. Which is kind of ironic since I have a BA in Finance and have worked 20+ years as an accountant. Maybe I just see the NBA as an escape from my day job or something, but I just care more about the X's & O's on the court than the $$'s in the front office.

TBH, to fully understand the cap in either football or basketball, you really have to have a PhD in Capology . . . and each sport would have a completely different curriculum. I know way more about the NFL and the CBA than the NBA and the various aprons and exceptions.

Boston's issue in running it back again is their tax bill would be almost as much as the salary bill. As things stand now, they are slotted to have $262M in salary and $238M in tax. I'm not an expert, but it seems like they could give away KP and JH for free and still be over the 2nd apron next year by the time they fill out the roster.

 

[the moops]

As I mentioned previously, Brown's contract (4/$236M) was deemed the worst contract in the league earlier this season, so even if they wanted to trade him, there might not be a ton of takers.

Nobody who knew anything about basketball would have called his contract the worst in basketball. Like not even close to the worst.

If Boston was to put him on the market they would find many interested teams wiling to give up multiple assets

 

[thecatch]

I'm more anxious about Boston tonight than I've been in 2 years. Unfortunately, I'll have to record it and watch it later as I have a family obligation this evening.

This is a season (and era) defining game. Win and take control of the series again and get poised to make another Finals run and possibly go back to back. Lose and you are likely going to get beat in the 2nd round and last year's title will be labeled a lucky fluke with a ton of roster questions going into the offseason. All the criticism of Tatum would suddenly seem justified and proven right. The Finals loss to Golden State and the ECF loss to Miami both felt like steps in the process of growing and maturing. But now, after having already won it all, a playoff upset like this would be a major blow to the entire Tatum/Brown era. They are still young enough that another run is in the cards, but this roster is about as good as they could hope for.

It's been discussed previously, but I am pretty sure they can't keep this core of 9 guys together again after this season. I don't know everyone's contract status but keeping Tatum & Brown will likely make it impossible to keep everyone else. Horford could easily retire, Holiday and Porzingis haven't been healthy and are showing some age and cost more than they are worth at this point. Pritchard is going to be tough to keep on an affordable deal as well. Derrick White is probably the 3rd priority behind the Jays but could really cash in on the open market. One bright spot is Kornet who is becoming a poor man's Zubac and may end up a decent starting center for Boston but not cost much. Hauser won't be tough to keep, but they could possibly upgrade from him as he's not been a factor this post season.

Porzingis and Holiday are the obvious players to move off of. Holiday is signed for 2 more years ($67M) but didn't look great in the regular season.

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

 

[the moops]

I'm not an expert, but it seems like they could give away KP and JH for free and still be over the 2nd apron next year by the time they fill out the roster.

If they give away either of those guys and take no salary back, they will be under the 2nd apron

 

[Kev4029]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

That is definitely the team and Giannis doing something of a soft announcement that he is out to prep the fan base for him being traded in the next couple months

 

[the moops]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

 

[AAABatteries]

Houston has gotta make the move for him. Jabari, Jalen, Sheppard + picks for Giannis + minimum works

I don't think it makes much sense as he doesnt solves any of Houston's shooting issues. We need a shooter/playmaker type. Booker > Giannis for Houston. OKC seems like the better fit.

Shooting is Houston’s problem but if you can get Giannis, you do it and figure out the rest.

 

[thecatch]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

With the luxury tax/apron rules, it's worse than ever to have a guy who can't be more than a 4th or 5th best player on a title team making mid-30s per year.

 

[Major]

Houston has gotta make the move for him. Jabari, Jalen, Sheppard + picks for Giannis + minimum works

I don't think it makes much sense as he doesnt solves any of Houston's shooting issues. We need a shooter/playmaker type. Booker > Giannis for Houston. OKC seems like the better fit.

Shooting is Houston’s problem but if you can get Giannis, you do it and figure out the rest.

Meh. I'm planning on them getting Cooper Flagg, resigning Adams and trading for Booker. Seems reasonable imo.

 

[the moops]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

With the luxury tax/apron rules, it's worse than ever to have a guy who can't be more than a 4th or 5th best player on a title team making mid-30s per year.

Not everyone has title hopes in their near future. Some teams need a veteran presence who can help get them into the playoffs.

 

[Anarchy99]

I'm not an expert, but it seems like they could give away KP and JH for free and still be over the 2nd apron next year by the time they fill out the roster.

If they give away either of those guys and take no salary back, they will be under the 2nd apron

How likely are they going to be able to move guys on their roster and get back nothing in return (ie, how many teams have room under the cap to just add salary)? How likely are they to want to trade players and get nothing back in return? From what I have read, logistically they won't be able to bring back Horford or Kornet unless they trade a starter. Al could retire and Kornet could take a much better deal elsewhere, which would make holding on to KP more of a necessity (even missing 40% of the games in his time with BOS). It would be tough losing all three of their bigs in one offseason.

 

[ChicoCat]

Two-time NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo has not made any firm decisions, but for the first time in his career, he is open-minded about whether his best fit is remaining in Milwaukee – or playing elsewhere, league sources told ESPN.

Giannis for Dorian Finney-Smith, Autin Reaves, Gabe Vincent and Jarred Vanderbilt is even money and sounds about right....now all they have to do is figure out the amount of picks and pick swaps.

 

[the moops]

I'm not an expert, but it seems like they could give away KP and JH for free and still be over the 2nd apron next year by the time they fill out the roster.

If they give away either of those guys and take no salary back, they will be under the 2nd apron

How likely are they going to be able to move guys on their roster and get back nothing in return (ie, how many teams have room under the cap to just add salary)? How likely are they to want to trade players and get nothing back in return? From what I have read, logistically they won't be able to bring back Horford or Kornet unless they trade a starter. Al could retire and Kornet could take a much better deal elsewhere, which would make holding on to KP more of a necessity (even missing 40% of the games in his time with BOS). It would be tough losing all three of their bigs in one offseason.

Probably very unlikely. There aren't many teams with space. And while it can be a 3 or 4 or 5 team trade, that is obviously super complicated. I was just commenting on the actual money component. Boston is something like 20 million over the 2nd apron (and still having to sign Al or Kornet or some other guys). So technically if they moved off either of Porzingis or Holiday and took back no money, they would be under and still have room to maybe sign Al and a minumum guy

 

[msudaisy26]

Will they let the Lakers trade picks into the next century?

 

[Navin Johnson]

Will they let the Lakers trade picks into the next century?

Only seven years ahead

 

[thecatch]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

With the luxury tax/apron rules, it's worse than ever to have a guy who can't be more than a 4th or 5th best player on a title team making mid-30s per year.

Not everyone has title hopes in their near future. Some teams need a veteran presence who can help get them into the playoffs.

If you aren't looking for the last piece of a title team you aren't trading for a 35 year old who averaged 11 ppg.

 

[the moops]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

With the luxury tax/apron rules, it's worse than ever to have a guy who can't be more than a 4th or 5th best player on a title team making mid-30s per year.

Not everyone has title hopes in their near future. Some teams need a veteran presence who can help get them into the playoffs.

If you aren't looking for the last piece of a title team you aren't trading for a 35 year old who averaged 11 ppg.

If you are getting him for free I disagree

 

[msudaisy26]

Will they let the Lakers trade picks into the next century?

Only seven years ahead

I know. I was saying the Lakers need to give about 75 years worth of picks and swaps to make that work.

 

[thecatch]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

With the luxury tax/apron rules, it's worse than ever to have a guy who can't be more than a 4th or 5th best player on a title team making mid-30s per year.

Not everyone has title hopes in their near future. Some teams need a veteran presence who can help get them into the playoffs.

If you aren't looking for the last piece of a title team you aren't trading for a 35 year old who averaged 11 ppg.

If you are getting him for free I disagree

Would be interested in the list of teams you think would pursue him.

 

[msudaisy26]

He's got a 3rd year player option so it's basically a 3/104 for a declining player who is about to turn 35. Good luck offloading that one.

A declining but still good player. 30 million isn't what it once was. They may have to attach a small asset to move him, but teams would definitely be interested in Jrue

With the luxury tax/apron rules, it's worse than ever to have a guy who can't be more than a 4th or 5th best player on a title team making mid-30s per year.

Not everyone has title hopes in their near future. Some teams need a veteran presence who can help get them into the playoffs.

If you aren't looking for the last piece of a title team you aren't trading for a 35 year old who averaged 11 ppg.

If you are getting him for free I disagree

Would be interested in the list of teams you think would pursue him.

Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder, Lakers, Warriors, Heat, and Cavs.

 

[Anarchy99]

Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder, Lakers, Warriors, Heat, and Cavs.

I know you are only listing teams that would be interested in Holiday, but BOS would be unlikely to trade him to a title contender that they could face in the post season. The team landing him would have to absorb his contract and give back either young / cheap players and picks. BOS would likely try to shed Holiday's $32.4M salary for probably $5M in salary coming back. That would thin out many of the teams on your list, as most teams couldn't navigate the aprons that wat. That's the quandary . . . how realistic would it be to find a trade partner for Holiday given the parameters BOS is working with? They might have to get other teams involved in a multi-team trade. Same with Porzingis ($30.7M), except his issues would be more health related instead of age.

 

[msudaisy26]

Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder, Lakers, Warriors, Heat, and Cavs.

I know you are only listing teams that would be interested in Holiday, but BOS would be unlikely to trade him to a title contender that they could face in the post season. The team landing him would have to absorb his contract and give back either young / cheap players and picks. BOS would likely try to shed Holiday's $32.4M salary for probably $5M in salary coming back. That would thin out many of the teams on your list, as most teams couldn't navigate the aprons that wat. That's the quandary . . . how realistic would it be to find a trade partner for Holiday given the parameters BOS is working with? They might have to get other teams involved in a multi-team trade. Same with Porzingis ($30.7M), except his issues would be more health related instead of age.

Actually I looked really fast and assumed we were talking about Giannis. The list for Jrue is much shorter.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder, Lakers, Warriors, Heat, and Cavs.

I know you are only listing teams that would be interested in Holiday, but BOS would be unlikely to trade him to a title contender that they could face in the post season. The team landing him would have to absorb his contract and give back either young / cheap players and picks. BOS would likely try to shed Holiday's $32.4M salary for probably $5M in salary coming back. That would thin out many of the teams on your list, as most teams couldn't navigate the aprons that wat. That's the quandary . . . how realistic would it be to find a trade partner for Holiday given the parameters BOS is working with? They might have to get other teams involved in a multi-team trade. Same with Porzingis ($30.7M), except his issues would be more health related instead of age.

Finding a team to absorb large contracts is going to be really difficult this off-season. The Nets are the only team projected to act as an under the cap team and they could command a high price to use it.

 

[thecatch]

Spurs, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder, Lakers, Warriors, Heat, and Cavs.

I know you are only listing teams that would be interested in Holiday, but BOS would be unlikely to trade him to a title contender that they could face in the post season. The team landing him would have to absorb his contract and give back either young / cheap players and picks. BOS would likely try to shed Holiday's $32.4M salary for probably $5M in salary coming back. That would thin out many of the teams on your list, as most teams couldn't navigate the aprons that wat. That's the quandary . . . how realistic would it be to find a trade partner for Holiday given the parameters BOS is working with? They might have to get other teams involved in a multi-team trade. Same with Porzingis ($30.7M), except his issues would be more health related instead of age.

Yep. The Spurs, for example, can't just eat his salary, so they'd have to send back a couple of guys on expiring contracts. Which doesn't significantly help Boston's luxury tax situation for 25-26. And from the Spurs perspective, they'd be locked into a Fox/Holiday/Castle/Wemby core for the next several years, and I don't think that group is winning anything. Fox is a guy who when he loses a half a step, his game will deteriorate quickly, and he'll be making max money. That plus end of career holiday at $37m could be an anchor. I'd much rather keep my salary powder dry and keep my options open for making a run at various stars in their prime when they come on the market.