2024 College Football Thread: Ohio State advances to play unbeaten hypothetical SEC team (4 Viewers)

[General Malaise]

Can't wait to see where Pete Carroll lands.

 

[pollardsvision]

I know there's a little inconsequential tournament about to start, but somebody is about to hire a 6-time Super Bowl Champion.

None of your little programs have ever done that, I wouldn't imagine.

Agreed to raise the NIL budget from 4 to 20 million dollars. UNC about to start buying some serious talent.

I'm new to this. Trying to figure out where the ballers send money to.

Too much cash to fit into a handshake these days, I'm sure.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

 

[pollardsvision]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

 

[Moe.]

Belichick probably wasn’t gonna get personnel control in the NFL, so this makes a lot of sense from his perspective. No owner or GM to meddle, the money and reputation will do a lot of the recruiting, and he’ll have 100% control over all things football. Insert young girlfriend joke here.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Belichick probably wasn’t gonna get personnel control in the NFL, so this makes a lot of sense from his perspective. No owner or GM to meddle, the money and reputation will do a lot of the recruiting, and he’ll have 100% control over all things football. Insert young girlfriend joke here.

Plus, while there’s pressure to win - it’s not as strong as it would be in NFL (or an elite college program) and at the same time a few college playoff runs could help his legacy.

Obviously his legacy is already fairly secure so I’m really discussing around the fringes - but I’m sure he wants to go out a winner.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

I think he wants to coach but I think his motivation with UNC has a lot to do with his kid getting the HC in waiting title or whatever they call it. Bill will give them 3-4 years and then turn it over to his kid.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This will all seem great for BB until his girlfriend enters the transfer portal...
-QG

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

LOL at the thread title. Top notch, Capella

 

[Mister CIA]

They could have a 14 team playoff system where the top teams get a bye and the non-champion qualifiers play a 'wild round' then a 'regional' or 'divisional' round at the home of the top seeded team. Then take a week off before a final game called the Superior Bowl or maybe the Superb Bowl. It would be cool to always schedule a massive pop star to do the halftime show at the College Superior Bowl.

You joke but that's gotta be where this is headed

Its been heading to this inevitable end since they scraped the reliably fun conference alignment system and formed the Bowl Coalition in the early 90s, then the Boal Alliance and eventually the BCS after the Big 10/Pac 10 and Rose bowl reluctantly signed on. Looking back, not only do I miss the magic of the big New Years day bowl games, but also honestly miss the excitement of those years when the AP and Coaches Polls split. The brain damage that caused to people who can't accept the realities of amateur college sports is what led us here.

All those half-measures make Walter White sad.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This will all seem great for BB until his girlfriend enters the transfer portal...
-QG

Imagine the NIL package Duke would offer her to be head cheerleader.

 

[whoknew]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

 

[shuke]

LOL at the thread title. Top notch, Capella

Probably the best ongoing shtick on this board.

 

[Max Power]

Local Radio guys think UNC makes the CFP within 3 years. I tend to agree. The ACC isn't the toughest conference and between NIL money/Coach prestige, they will get an Elite college QB soon.

 

[Sammy3469]

Local Radio guys think UNC makes the CFP within 3 years. I tend to agree. The ACC isn't the toughest conference and between NIL money/Coach prestige, they will get an Elite college QB soon.

They've had totally crap-tacular schedules this year and next. Their bar should be 11-1 next year. They miss ND and only play 2 of the top 6 ACC schools this past year. If all Belichick does is get them to stop losing winnable games, he'll look like a genius...again.

 

[General Malaise]

Look no further than Arizona State for a team that was perpetually mired in mediocrity for decades before breaking through and finding success. It can be done, especially in weak conferences like the Big 12 and ACC. I'm definitely intrigued here.

 

[kupcho1]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

 

[General Malaise]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

People love watching car wrecks!

Plus, if I'm a 4-star kid who wants to play in the ACC, I'd much rather play for a guy who has brains and a successful NFL track record over a stubborn buffoon of a man who refuses to use the transfer portal or that lunkhead in Miami who makes Jim Tomsula look like Don Shula.

And, there's probably a whole lotta moms and dads that will want their son to play for BB too.

 

[whoknew]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

People love watching car wrecks!

Plus, if I'm a 4-star kid who wants to play in the ACC, I'd much rather play for a guy who has brains and a successful NFL track record over a stubborn buffoon of a man who refuses to use the transfer portal or that lunkhead in Miami who makes Jim Tomsula look like Don Shula.

And, there's probably a whole lotta moms and dads that will want their son to play for BB too.

College and pro football are different, though. Belichick's a good coach. I'm sure he can adapt. But it will take a little time.

His bigger mistake, imo, is appointing a guy who hasn't been in college in 40 years to be the GM. With the transfer portal, NIL, recruiting, etc - managing a college football program is a nightmare right now. And to take some guy who knows nothing about that and let him run? Sounds like a huge mistake that will end in disaster.

 

[General Malaise]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

People love watching car wrecks!

Plus, if I'm a 4-star kid who wants to play in the ACC, I'd much rather play for a guy who has brains and a successful NFL track record over a stubborn buffoon of a man who refuses to use the transfer portal or that lunkhead in Miami who makes Jim Tomsula look like Don Shula.

And, there's probably a whole lotta moms and dads that will want their son to play for BB too.

College and pro football are different, though. Belichick's a good coach. I'm sure he can adapt. But it will take a little time.

His bigger mistake, imo, is appointing a guy who hasn't been in college in 40 years to be the GM. With the transfer portal, NIL, recruiting, etc - managing a college football program is a nightmare right now. And to take some guy who knows nothing about that and let him run? Sounds like a huge mistake that will end in disaster.

Right, I know the sports are different, but I'd much rather my 4-star kid go play for the man who KNOWS everything and everybody about the next level. Especially on how to get there; ie what to put on tape, what coaches at the next level are looking for, etc.

I don't know enough about Lombardi to opine on whether this is good or not, but the position of GM for college sports is relatively new, right? I mean, it wasn't all that long ago that Adrian Wojnarowski became the GM of St. Bonie's basketball team. And recently Andrew Luck became the GM for Stanford football. This is a new trend; might it be a touch to premature to call Lombardi a bad hire?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

People love watching car wrecks!

Plus, if I'm a 4-star kid who wants to play in the ACC, I'd much rather play for a guy who has brains and a successful NFL track record over a stubborn buffoon of a man who refuses to use the transfer portal or that lunkhead in Miami who makes Jim Tomsula look like Don Shula.

And, there's probably a whole lotta moms and dads that will want their son to play for BB too.

College and pro football are different, though. Belichick's a good coach. I'm sure he can adapt. But it will take a little time.

His bigger mistake, imo, is appointing a guy who hasn't been in college in 40 years to be the GM. With the transfer portal, NIL, recruiting, etc - managing a college football program is a nightmare right now. And to take some guy who knows nothing about that and let him run? Sounds like a huge mistake that will end in disaster.

Right, I know the sports are different, but I'd much rather my 4-star kid go play for the man who KNOWS everything and everybody about the next level. Especially on how to get there; ie what to put on tape, what coaches at the next level are looking for, etc.

I don't know enough about Lombardi to opine on whether this is good or not, but the position of GM for college sports is relatively new, right? I mean, it wasn't all that long ago that Adrian Wojnarowski became the GM of St. Bonie's basketball team. And recently Andrew Luck became the GM for Stanford football. This is a new trend; might it be a touch to premature to call Lombardi a bad hire?

Belichick and Lombardi are both big on building culture and Lombardi still knows the game well - I used to listen to his podcast.
I mean there’s a lot that can go wrong but I think some benefit of the doubt should be given to two guys that really know football.

 

[nirad3]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

People love watching car wrecks!

Plus, if I'm a 4-star kid who wants to play in the ACC, I'd much rather play for a guy who has brains and a successful NFL track record over a stubborn buffoon of a man who refuses to use the transfer portal or that lunkhead in Miami who makes Jim Tomsula look like Don Shula.

And, there's probably a whole lotta moms and dads that will want their son to play for BB too.

College and pro football are different, though. Belichick's a good coach. I'm sure he can adapt. But it will take a little time.

His bigger mistake, imo, is appointing a guy who hasn't been in college in 40 years to be the GM. With the transfer portal, NIL, recruiting, etc - managing a college football program is a nightmare right now. And to take some guy who knows nothing about that and let him run? Sounds like a huge mistake that will end in disaster.

Right, I know the sports are different, but I'd much rather my 4-star kid go play for the man who KNOWS everything and everybody about the next level. Especially on how to get there; ie what to put on tape, what coaches at the next level are looking for, etc.

I don't know enough about Lombardi to opine on whether this is good or not, but the position of GM for college sports is relatively new, right? I mean, it wasn't all that long ago that Adrian Wojnarowski became the GM of St. Bonie's basketball team. And recently Andrew Luck became the GM for Stanford football. This is a new trend; might it be a touch to premature to call Lombardi a bad hire?

Belichick and Lombardi are both big on building culture and Lombardi still knows the game well - I used to listen to his podcast.
I mean there’s a lot that can go wrong but I think some benefit of the doubt should be given to two guys that really know football.

agree 100%

 

[Instinctive]

I’m so confused by belichick to unc. The portal. Nil. Less talent than elsewhere even after he recruits new players. Maybe Deion told him how great it is

Right there with you. I always thought it was an agent's ploy to get Jerry to #### or get off the pot.

But hey, he's got us spending some money. It's always a get-able conference.

And I swear about the LT factor. Everybody should wish for someone to love them as much as Belichick loves LT.

Matt Patricia supposedly coming with him. And Mike Lombardi is going to be the GM doing recruiting and NIL. The Lombardi thing seems weird. Thought he would keep a college guy there. Patrick Suddes is really good.

Lombardi has been in the NFL for 40 years and now he's going to be a college football GM? Lol. That's going to go great, I'm sure.

This has fiery car crash written all over it.

People love watching car wrecks!

Plus, if I'm a 4-star kid who wants to play in the ACC, I'd much rather play for a guy who has brains and a successful NFL track record over a stubborn buffoon of a man who refuses to use the transfer portal or that lunkhead in Miami who makes Jim Tomsula look like Don Shula.

And, there's probably a whole lotta moms and dads that will want their son to play for BB too.

College and pro football are different, though. Belichick's a good coach. I'm sure he can adapt. But it will take a little time.

His bigger mistake, imo, is appointing a guy who hasn't been in college in 40 years to be the GM. With the transfer portal, NIL, recruiting, etc - managing a college football program is a nightmare right now. And to take some guy who knows nothing about that and let him run? Sounds like a huge mistake that will end in disaster.

Right, I know the sports are different, but I'd much rather my 4-star kid go play for the man who KNOWS everything and everybody about the next level. Especially on how to get there; ie what to put on tape, what coaches at the next level are looking for, etc.

I don't know enough about Lombardi to opine on whether this is good or not, but the position of GM for college sports is relatively new, right? I mean, it wasn't all that long ago that Adrian Wojnarowski became the GM of St. Bonie's basketball team. And recently Andrew Luck became the GM for Stanford football. This is a new trend; might it be a touch to premature to call Lombardi a bad hire?

Belichick and Lombardi are both big on building culture and Lombardi still knows the game well - I used to listen to his podcast.
I mean there’s a lot that can go wrong but I think some benefit of the doubt should be given to two guys that really know football.

agree 100%

WAY too levelheaded a thought for c0lLege Fo0tBalL

 

[whoknew]

Well this is interesting. Are we sure Belichick is going to be at UNC for very long? Seems like he built himself an out if the NFL comes calling.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I'm seeing so many people wanting Belichick to fail, I find myself pulling for him now and I've never liked the guy.

He went on McAfee's show a few days ago and just openly said that his program would be a pipeline to the NFL. Who can deny the appeal of that to top players, assuming UNC can offer player salaries that are at least competitive? If the Sanders circus act can bring Colorado back from the brink of death to a top 25 team, BB can definitely do the same at least at UNC.

 

[pollardsvision]

Well this is interesting. Are we sure Belichick is going to be at UNC for very long? Seems like he built himself an out if the NFL comes calling.

Nobody thinks he'll be there very long.

One good year (causing the NFL to come calling) and $10 million from Jerry? Sure, we'll take it.
But my guess is that, at this point, the NFL won't come calling.

He's been in the NFL for a half century and won 6 super bowls. He's not a secret. Jerry wants to hang onto McCarthy for his reasons and the Bears want to hire another failure for their reasons. We know that's coming.

If the Cowboys or Bears come to their senses, so be it. But we've been waiting for that for a very long time.

 

[pollardsvision]

Falcons were the only team to show interest last year, and they hired Raheem Morris instead.

No offense to Raheem, but that makes it pretty obvious NFL teams don't want Belichick.

 

[pollardsvision]

The key is that GM's are generally making the decisions. No GM wants to hire Belichick and potentially lose their job.

They'll take some former Shanny assistant 7 days a week over that possibility.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I wanted the Cowboys to get BB.

Because it would be funny.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm seeing so many people wanting Belichick to fail, I find myself pulling for him now and I've never liked the guy.

He went on McAfee's show a few days ago and just openly said that his program would be a pipeline to the NFL. Who can deny the appeal of that to top players, assuming UNC can offer player salaries that are at least competitive? If the Sanders circus act can bring Colorado back from the brink of death to a top 25 team, BB can definitely do the same at least at UNC.

I’m a Jets fan but I’m rooting for him to succeed at North Carolina just for the story and because all of the “haters”. It will be interesting to follow.

Carolina gets a return on their investment if he makes them attractive enough to be included at the adults table when the next big College Football move to 2 Super Conferences happens.

 

[whoknew]

Expecting Belichick to fail at UNC because neither he nor anyone he is bringing in has experience in college football is not "hating." It's just being observant.

I expect it not to work. But if he wins the National Championship next year - then good for him. I will be wrong.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm seeing so many people wanting Belichick to fail, I find myself pulling for him now and I've never liked the guy.

Will never root for him. Started dating his girlfriend when she was 22 and he was 70. Consenting adults or no, that is simply gross.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

I'm seeing so many people wanting Belichick to fail, I find myself pulling for him now and I've never liked the guy.

Will never root for him. Started dating his girlfriend when she was 22 and he was 70. Consenting adults or no, that is simply gross.

Yep. So very creepy. The power imbalance is not a good look.

Try to imagine being one of his kids. Being twenty years older than the girlfrend would be so weird.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Expecting Belichick to fail at UNC because neither he nor anyone he is bringing in has experience in college football is not "hating." It's just being observant

I wasn’t referring to anything said in here - I meant the talking heads mostly and I put “haters” in quotes for a reason.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Throw me in the camp that believes this has trainwreck written all over it.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I'm seeing so many people wanting Belichick to fail, I find myself pulling for him now and I've never liked the guy.

Will never root for him. Started dating his girlfriend when she was 22 and he was 70. Consenting adults or no, that is simply gross.

Yep. So very creepy. The power imbalance is not a good look.

Try to imagine being one of his kids. Being twenty years older than the girlfrend would be so weird.

I thought this might end his career but it seems most people just make jokes about it and accept it. I generally try to take a live and let live approach to these things but the age gap in this one is extraordinary.

 

[WVU Alum]

College is now essentially like the NFL minus the contracts for players. I think he will do fairly well.

 

[General Malaise]

Stuart Mandel blasted the hire and I generally agree with Stu on most things but.....

What does UNC football have to lose, guys? They aren't relevant and haven't been for decades. Why not at least try something outside the box?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Stuart Mandel blasted the hire and I generally agree with Stu on most things but....

Man, he had both guns blazing in that piece. He's never been afraid to share his opinion, but I don't think I've ever seen him be that pointed for that long.

 

[General Malaise]

Stuart Mandel blasted the hire and I generally agree with Stu on most things but....

Man, he had both guns blazing in that piece. He's never been afraid to share his opinion, but I don't think I've ever seen him be that pointed for that long.

I know....I started reading it yesterday and was taken aback at his pointed criticism on this one. He went off!

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Regardless of the changes we've seen, today, programs are built on recruiting and motivation. This guy's never had to do either one. NFL dudes are there for their livelihood. If they aren't motivated, they are an after thought pretty quickly. I just can't see how this works. Just like it doesn't work when college guys go to the NFL and try their shtick there. Goes both ways. Only two dudes have had success at both in my lifetime and they are Carroll and Harbaugh, only Harbaugh hasn't won a SB yet.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Not sure why anyone would blast the hire. It's a way to try and make UNC relevant. There are 50 schools like UNC that are not top 15 elite programs, but could get there for a brief time if all the dominoes fall right.

The problem I see is those program go right back to average as soon as they lose what got them over the top. My VT team is in that boat. We lucked out with Michael Vick and solid defensive recruiting for a few years. But it was right back to mediocre.. I sense that's where UNC will be even if Bill B makes them relevant for a few years.

It comes down to sustainable money coming into the program. And UNC is not like the top 15 teams (TAMU, UT, LSU, ND, OSU, ORE, UGA, ALA, etc). Those teams can go 1-10 for 5 years straight and they are still gonna have more dollars coming in than UNC ever will. ORE is the only one I can think of that kinda came from nowhere 20 years ago, and that was on the back of Nike. Most schools don't have a billionaire funding the program. MD even tried with the UA founder, and has completely failed.

Football for the most part is the only profitable sport at any college. There are a few basketball programs, but not many. And football is only profitable at 57% of them. I have several friends that coach mid-tier D1 golf and tennis. They pretty much think their programs are gone in 10 years. ADs don't want to put a dime into them.

 

[General Malaise]

Regardless of the changes we've seen, today, programs are built on recruiting and motivation. This guy's never had to do either one. NFL dudes are there for their livelihood. If they aren't motivated, they are an after thought pretty quickly. I just can't see how this works. Just like it doesn't work when college guys go to the NFL and try their shtick there. Goes both ways. Only two dudes have had success at both in my lifetime and they are Carroll and Harbaugh, only Harbaugh hasn't won a SB yet.

Jimmy Johnson was successful too......Barry Switzer, sort of.

 

[General Malaise]

Not sure why anyone would blast the hire. It's a way to try and make UNC relevant. There are 50 schools like UNC that are not top 15 elite programs, but could get there for a brief time if all the dominoes fall right.

The problem I see is those program go right back to average as soon as they lose what got them over the top. My VT team is in that boat. We lucked out with Michael Vick and solid defensive recruiting for a few years. But it was right back to mediocre.. I sense that's where UNC will be even if Bill B makes them relevant for a few years.

It comes down to sustainable money coming into the program. And UNC is not like the top 15 teams do (TAMU, LSU, ND, OSU, ORE, UGA, ALA, etc). Those teams can go 1-10 for 5 years straight and they are still gonna have more dollars coming in than UNC ever will. ORE is the only one I can think of that kinda came from nowhere 20 years ago, and that was on the back of Nike. Most schools don't have a billionaire funding the program. MD even tried with the UA founder, and has completely failed.

I don't understand UNC lacking any funding. What's that all about? If you ask a UNC grad they'll tell you how great they are and how much money the school has and how hard it is to get in there so what gives? Where's the money? Who is holding it hostage? Loosen up your purse strings, folks.

As far and blasting the hire, here' some of Mandel's thoughts.....not sure I fully agree because I'm not sure what else UNC is supposed to do here. Nothing else has worked, why not try this?

Congratulations, North Carolina. You managed to hire someone completely unqualified to be your next football coach. You did that thing so many schools do where they try to win the press conference instead of win football games. It rarely works.

I realize I may get excommunicated from the football world for daring to question the merits of a six-time Super Bowl champion coach. But let’s remove the name Bill Belichick and replace it with Coach X. Here is who North Carolina just hired:

• Coach X has never coached a day in college football. He has never recruited an athlete. He has never had to deal with the transfer portal or NIL collectives. His dad was a college coach, at Navy, but that was 35 years ago.

• Coach X is known for being grumpy and introverted, two traits that don’t often go hand in hand with wooing recruits, glad-handing donors and giving motivational talks to 18- to 22-year-olds.

• Coach X made his first post on Instagram — which he referred to as Instaface at the time — on Sept. 4 of this year. He has since posted eight more times. He may not realize that many college athletes, particularly recruits, communicate primarily via social media.

• And Coach X is 72 years old, just one year younger than the guy he’s replacing, Mack Brown, as well as his buddy Nick Saban, who got out of coaching this year at least in part because, as he said at the time, “When you get to 72 years old, it gets harder and harder to promise people you’re gonna be there for four or five more years.”

But Coach X does have those Super Bowl rings. Which he’ll surely wear when he meets with recruits and potential transfers. Who will then say something to the effect of, “That’s great, but how much am I getting paid?”

Unless Belichick can magically restore eligibility for Tom Brady, I fail to see how this will end well. I’ve seen this movie so many times before: Big-name NFL coach comes to town vowing to turn the program into an NFL organization in college.

Bill Callahan and his master plan to scrap Nebraska’s famed triple-option offense for the West Coast offense.

Charlie Weis and his “decided schematic advantage” at Notre Dame.

Herm Edwards and his vaunted “new leadership model” at Arizona State.

Lovie Smith, with no discernible plan of any kind at Illinois.

Inevitably, school and coach soon realize that what works in the NFL doesn’t necessarily work in college. (And vice versa.) And yet … they just keep falling for it.

 

[General Malaise]

Lovie Smith, with no discernible plan of any kind at Illinois.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Not sure why anyone would blast the hire. It's a way to try and make UNC relevant. There are 50 schools like UNC that are not top 15 elite programs, but could get there for a brief time if all the dominoes fall right.

The problem I see is those program go right back to average as soon as they lose what got them over the top. My VT team is in that boat. We lucked out with Michael Vick and solid defensive recruiting for a few years. But it was right back to mediocre.. I sense that's where UNC will be even if Bill B makes them relevant for a few years.

It comes down to sustainable money coming into the program. And UNC is not like the top 15 teams do (TAMU, LSU, ND, OSU, ORE, UGA, ALA, etc). Those teams can go 1-10 for 5 years straight and they are still gonna have more dollars coming in than UNC ever will. ORE is the only one I can think of that kinda came from nowhere 20 years ago, and that was on the back of Nike. Most schools don't have a billionaire funding the program. MD even tried with the UA founder, and has completely failed.

I don't understand UNC lacking any funding. What's that all about? If you ask a UNC grad they'll tell you how great they are and how much money the school has and how hard it is to get in there so what gives? Where's the money? Who is holding it hostage? Loosen up your purse strings, folks.

As far and blasting the hire, here' some of Mandel's thoughts.....not sure I fully agree because I'm not sure what else UNC is supposed to do here. Nothing else has worked, why not try this?

I think it's cultural. Harvard grads have plenty of money to buy a football program. They don't. And if you need a bigger school, UCLA fans don't either. Football just means more to some people. ND, B10, SEC grads mostly. Bigger schools in the South and Midwest. The NE, Mid-Atlantic, and West coast really don't care as much. We are more NFL focused is my sense.

Look if I had $500M, I'm not giving VT much of it for football. The payoff is minimal. What do I get? A few tickets, 8 wins a year, my name on a gym, and a trip to the Holiday Bowl? Frankly I'd rather go the UVA/Stanford route and try to develop the other sports, knowing that I might be developing Olympians or winning natties in swimming, etc. It's cheaper with a better chance for reward. If I went to ALA, then I'd probably prop up the FB program even more as it can fund the other activities.

ETA... for what it's worth you can find all of the college sports financial data here... and sort it by sport, year, conference, etc. https://www.sportico.com/business/c...finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Regardless of the changes we've seen, today, programs are built on recruiting and motivation. This guy's never had to do either one. NFL dudes are there for their livelihood. If they aren't motivated, they are an after thought pretty quickly. I just can't see how this works. Just like it doesn't work when college guys go to the NFL and try their shtick there. Goes both ways. Only two dudes have had success at both in my lifetime and they are Carroll and Harbaugh, only Harbaugh hasn't won a SB yet.

Jimmy Johnson was successful too......Barry Switzer, sort of.

Both WELL before my time

 

[Instinctive]

Regardless of the changes we've seen, today, programs are built on recruiting and motivation. This guy's never had to do either one. NFL dudes are there for their livelihood. If they aren't motivated, they are an after thought pretty quickly. I just can't see how this works. Just like it doesn't work when college guys go to the NFL and try their shtick there. Goes both ways. Only two dudes have had success at both in my lifetime and they are Carroll and Harbaugh, only Harbaugh hasn't won a SB yet.

Jimmy Johnson was successful too......Barry Switzer, sort of.

Both WELL before my time

I mean it doesn't work except for the guys it does...Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh...those feel more contemporary?

 

[kupcho1]

• Coach X is known for being grumpy and introverted, two traits that don’t often go hand in hand with wooing recruits, glad-handing donors and giving motivational talks to 18- to 22-year-olds.

This.

Personally, I think Belichek has a very dry sense of humor. Unfortunately that, along with the above, ain't gonna work with the youth or boosters.