Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ya, I don’t get all the doom and gloom either. We’ll see I guess
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2024 Cowboys Thread. “Dak doesn’t play for money”. Well then shut up and sign a league minimum deal (3 Viewers)
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General Malaise
Footballguy
The Cowboys plan to give the former first-round pick plenty of reps this offseason and during training camp to see whether Lance is a serviceable NFL quarterback, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Good. This is the best path forward. Let another team overpay for playoff Dak.
Good. This is the best path forward. Let another team overpay for playoff Dak.
I’d be interested in why you think Dak is underrated.
10-7 sounds right. #5 or #6 seed. Lose in first round (again). Interesting in hearing a projected different outcome.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Agreed
I’m far from an overly optimistic homer, I just don’t think they’re going to be too bad
General Malaise
Footballguy
Agreed
I’m far from an overly optimistic homer, I just don’t think they’re going to be too bad
Well, no.....they get four bye weeks playing Wash/NYG and are good enough to find 5-7 more winnable games.
But this isn't a team built for the playoffs and it's only gotten harder around them. They would be MUCH better off being bad, but Jerrah won't go for that. It's been like this since 1996, so I don't expect it to change.
I think he's been a solid to great QB his entire career. He's got a 99.0 career passer rating (5th all-time) he's got a 64% winning percentage (which rates out an average of 11 wins per season) and I'd argue he's had league average weapons for much of it. He's got no real holes in his game, with a good arm, very good accuracy, good decision making, and good mobility.
Yet despite that, he's often talked about like he's not a top-10 QB (I'd argue he's top-5ish) and that he's holding Dallas back. I think he takes a lot of blame for things that aren't his fault at all. He spent the early part of his career with one of the NFL's worst HCs in Jason Garrett, and now has Mike McCarthy who is a lot better, but not exactly great. Dak has had a couple down playoff games, but he's also had some very good ones. He seems to have issues with San Fran, but so do most guys including MVP year Aaron Rodgers. Its pretty much just Mahomes who seems to have their number.
I've seen a lot of discourse that Dak was somehow why they lost the Green Bay game, and I think that is silly talk. Dak didn't give up 41 points. Dak didn't allow the 3rd highest passer rating in a playoff game in NFL history to Jordan Love. I don't think it would have mattered how Dak played in that game, Dallas was incapable of stopping Green Bay.
Dak has produced despite a ton of turnover at the skill spots. It was end of career Dez/Witten and Cole Beasley when he got there, then he had Cooper/Gallup/Schultz, and now is doing it with Lamb/Ferguson. Other than Lamb I don't think any of those guys are elite players (Dez and especially Witten peaked with Romo) but Dak keeps producing. Dallas has had a good OL (though often overrated) for most of his run, though its been pretty mediocre the last couple years.
I think FAR too much is made of his playoff record. Dallas has honestly been pretty spoiled the last 18 years at QB. Romo into Dak, is better than at least 75% of the NFL has had it. I think that gets taken for granted quite a bit. If they move on from Dak, I'd bet the guy who replaces has less than a 20% chance at being as good.
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Bankerguy
Footballguy
Agreed
I’m far from an overly optimistic homer, I just don’t think they’re going to be too bad
Schedule is harder.
We got a lot turnovers last year. Will that continue?
Not sure we can stop the run.
Very thin at a few positions
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Check the thread title…
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
. Missed it
Scoresman
Footballguy
Agreed
I’m far from an overly optimistic homer, I just don’t think they’re going to be too bad
Schedule is harder.
We got a lot turnovers last year. Will that continue?
Not sure we can stop the run.
Very thin at a few positions
How's the OL? Seems like lots of turnover and new talent. Could be a key question that determines how this offense turns out.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Deeper and younger unit. Unproven, but great potential.Agreed
I’m far from an overly optimistic homer, I just don’t think they’re going to be too bad
Schedule is harder.
We got a lot turnovers last year. Will that continue?
Not sure we can stop the run.
Very thin at a few positions
How's the OL? Seems like lots of turnover and new talent. Could be a key question that determines how this offense turns out.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Of all the positions, I'm not too concerned with offensive line. We already had a few anchors in place - Martin, Steele, Tyler Smith. I expect Guyton and Beebe to enter the year ready and able.Deeper and younger unit. Unproven, but great potential.Agreed
I’m far from an overly optimistic homer, I just don’t think they’re going to be too bad
Schedule is harder.
We got a lot turnovers last year. Will that continue?
Not sure we can stop the run.
Very thin at a few positions
How's the OL? Seems like lots of turnover and new talent. Could be a key question that determines how this offense turns out.
The rest of the offense...? Not good.
We lost a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball too. We are mostly struggling from a few missed early picks on defense... Williams, Charlton, Mazi, Jaylon Smith, LVE... I don't think we will be bottom half of the league bad but expect some regression.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't work for money either. I'd gladly work for peanuts
It’s the lack of self awareness that kills me. This is the same guy who was holding the team hostage for 40+ MM a year, right?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Don’t sleep on Bass imo
Terpman22
Footballguy
So when he signs with another team next year, he definitely won't be looking to get close to the top 1-3 QB's contracts at the time is my guess.Yeah, I don't work for money either. I'd gladly work for peanuts
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
"I don't play for money." isn't the same thing as "I am an idiot." or "Sure, you can dump all over me, I don't expected to be treated fairly."
Trevor Lawrence just got $55MM a year.
Reminds me of Redskins fans not wanting to pay market value for Kirk Cousins and laughing at the contract he got from the Vikings. Sure, he never won a super bowl. But the WFT have been awful for another six years when they didn't have to be. And that $28MM a year seems quaint already.
Trevor Lawrence just got $55MM a year.
Reminds me of Redskins fans not wanting to pay market value for Kirk Cousins and laughing at the contract he got from the Vikings. Sure, he never won a super bowl. But the WFT have been awful for another six years when they didn't have to be. And that $28MM a year seems quaint already.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Do not understand the "set the market" with QBs and really any position. Jefferson is arguably the best WR in the game so the best should set the market.
Lawrence is not the best QB. not a top 5 QB. Not even a top 10 QB. Last year he was ranked #15 with 21 TDs and 14 INTs. Whatever a 3 year ranking is say #12 overall. Then slot the pay in the 10-14 range.
Just because it is time for a contract seems they overpay.
massraider
Footballguy
It would be insanely stupid for Dak to give any sort of a discount now. The time to ask Dak for a hometown team friendly deal was before they started converting all his salary into a bonus, and pushed all his money into later years, all while knowing they had a no trade, no franchise tag clause.
He has unprecedented leverage, DAL knew this was coming. They knew this time last year what Dak in 2024 looked like, from cap room perspective, and now that it's here, Dak is greedy? Come on now.
