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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 Draft, FAs, trades? (5 Viewers)

I have no clue what PFF big throws are. If it is based on distance or situation or a combination of both.

Regardless, for Detroit's offense, Goff is the perfect. On 28 other teams in the league, I think Goff would struggle. That is what made Goff's market value tough to judge. He will perform like a $50 million QB here.
 
PFF BTT &
Jared Goff Is NFL's Best Quarterback When Unpressured

Goff was the league's best quarterback when unpressured last season, but that fell to 24th when he had a defender in his face. That's a trend that has stuck around since his days in Los Angeles.

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That somewhat confirms the conventional wisdom surrounding. It also suggest Goff could put up an MVP-type season with elite protection, which is not conventional wisdom. Also, PFF recently ranked Goff as only the 16th best QB. A lot of this was based on Goff's inability to perform under pressure, his lack of running ability, and what they call his 'big-time throw' percentage, which they rated as 3.5 percent. Top QB's like Burrow are up around u percent. Not sure how they figure what one is though.
Also throw in Goff’s struggles on the road and outdoors and you have a QB that you can doubt.

Lions have done an excellent job of playing to Goff’s strengths. They worked to build his confidence and provided elite protection and offensive weapons .
They also earned two playoff home games last year and their loss on the road to SF was not due to his play.

Situation is everything and having Goff as the 16th rated QB is nonsense. He still has an elite OL which may be better than last year. He plays 14 games indoors and still has elite weapons.

Also it’s my perception and hopefully not wishful thinking that his confidence continues to grow regarding his weaknesses. I’ve seen him make so many big time throws with the game on the line.

I think he is closer to having an MVP season than being ranked 16th.

I typically see the value in what PFF puts out there but if they're saying big throws are a weakness for Goff I couldn't disagree more. He had to be at the top of the league being asked to throw on 4th down, it seemed like he did it 3-4 times a game and he was on the money for almost all of them. I'd say being clutch is his biggest strength now that I think about it.

They do take situational analysis into account.

No one knows exactly how these things are weighted, it's a proprietary grading system, but we have enough clues from PFF's explanations that I can confidently say one of the biggest factors is the ratio % of BTT (Big Time Throw) % & TWP (turnover worthy play) %.

PFF's big time throw metric is defined as passes with “excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window.”

I'll let them explain the rudimentary goals of their grading system:

The basic tenet of PFF’s grading has always been to try and isolate the play of individuals from the rest of the team, giving you a true reflection of what they did, regardless of whether that was rewarded by teammates picking up the baton.

The easiest examples are obvious, like quarterbacks throwing bubble screens that go 80 yards for a touchdown based on the receiver breaking a couple of tackles and outrunning the defense. That hypothetical pass nets a quarterback a perfect passer rating of 158.3, but if the same pass is dropped by the receiver instead of taken the distance, that passer rating becomes 39.6, without changing anything the quarterback did on the play. It doesn’t take many of those in a season to completely twist a player’s numbers and drive an incorrect perception of how he played.

Passer rating in particular is a metric that describes overall passing production, and not simply quarterback play.

All other statistics have the same problem to some degree or other, which is why PFF’s grading can often lead to results that simply don’t mesh with the numbers everybody else is working from. While the initial reaction of many people to that is that there is something wrong with PFF’s system, the key to that difference is that PFF is measuring something that the rest of the data points aren’t – the performance of just the quarterback, as isolated from the impact of the supporting cast.



This is from 6 years ago but the model is essentially the same. A little more granular on how the QB grading and PFF grading in general works.

PFF Grading: The most effective quarterback evaluation method out there



In January 2023, PFF did their annual QB rankings podcast/article, and folks were vociferous they got their rankings wrong on Goff. Sam Monson and Steve Palazzolo put out a special video explaining how the grading works for their evaluation of Goff.

Explaining Jared Goff's 2022-23 PFF Grade



As an aside, PFF is almost universally positive about the Lions. Tons of praise for what Brad Holmes, Dan Campbell, Jared Goff, et al, have achieved. I think they're also pretty balanced in pointing out Goff is not perfect *(but he's still pretty great when he is on.)

PFF Sam was on a local Lions pod a few weeks ago commenting on the Goff extension and I thought this was one of the better takes I saw that week.

What does the Jared Goff contract say about the state of the Detroit Lions?
 
OTA report that Jamo is still hit or miss regarding catching the ball

If he can become a dependable WR Lion offense becomes dominant

Houston and Jamo are 2 keys to the Lions taking the next step
 
He sounds like someone who has a good grasp of his overall situation. It's his decision and he seems happy with it.

such a classic Dan Campbell analogy lol

“We’re sailing down the ocean, and at that moment, we were in the Arctic,” Johnson recalled. “We were hitting the icebergs, we had the storms going on. Those were dark days. But he had the foresight, he had the vision of where we were going, where we were headed. He assured us, ‘Guys, I see it. I see where we’re going. The results haven’t been there yet, but the Caribbean is on the horizon, it’s coming up.’”

ranks right up there with "there's a song by Metallica called No Leaf Clover"
The soothing light at the end of the tunnel? It might just be a freight train - the sooner you realize this is the best you're going to feel all year, the better off we're all gonna be. Now let's go to work.


Agree with @Leroy Hoard - love the insight Johnson gave us on his thinking.

“I wanted the sunshine a little bit longer, you know?” Johnson said. “That’s really what it comes down to for me. I like the sunshine, I like what we’ve built here, starting with ownership, the head coach, the GM, on down. We have a great group of guys in the locker room, and I want to reap the rewards with them a little bit longer.”

“Something that really resonates with me is, okay, eight (head coach) openings this past year? What would you set the over-under, in three years, how many still have jobs? I’d put the over-under at 4.5, I would say there’s a good chance that five of them are out of jobs in three years,” Johnson said. “So when I look at it from that perceptive, if I get the opportunity to go down that road, it’s about, how do I get to that second contract? How do I set myself up? The stars need to align. I’m not going to do it just to do it.

“I love what I’m doing right now—love it. I love where I’m at, my family loves where we’re at, love the people that we’re doing it with. So I’m not willing to go down the other path yet, unless I feel really good about how it’s going to unfold.”

"The longer you're in the coordinator chair, it does nothing but help you and prepare you more for the next step if it ever comes down the pipe," Johnson said. "Personally, I don't feel like I'm hurting my opportunities or my abilities to be a coordinator in the future, and I love what I'm doing right now."

Asked if he feels like he is ready for the big chair, Ben took a pull from his water bottle, paused, and said firmly "Yes."
 
Johnson has the perfect job with great pay in the perfect environment with great players which is set to succeed for years to come. Those jobs are few and far between in the NFL. He was wise to enjoy the fruits of his labor and have a very good chance for the rare opportunity to be part of a Super Bowl championship. Johnson could very well succeed as a head coach, but the majority of them get chewed up and spit out after a few season. He is too young to rush into the briar patch without first tasting the ultimate success.
 
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The Lions should easily have a top 10 defense this season.

Last year we were around 20 depending on how you rank them. Our CBs may have been the worst in the league. Alim and Hutch were solid up front and provided a good amount of pressure, but no one else provided meaningful pressure unless it was coming from a blitz. So why such a significant jump?

We have 4 really good proven players who are either elite or close to being elite in Hutch, Iffy, Branch and Alim. All are young and still very much on an upward trajectory. Holmes drafts guys who are dogs and Dan Campbell knows how to push them. These four will be absolute studs this year.

Jack Campbell came on strong towards the end of last season and I fully expect him to be our green dot guy and should take the biggest leap of anyone on defense. Anzalone is solid and Barnes has shown consistent improvement will help Campbell in forming a very solid group of linebackers. Campbell could become very special.

The real improvement will be in the secondary where there is a whole new group of CBs who should form one of the better units in the NFL. Davis can be a shut down corner when in man, although he seems lost at times playing zone. After being a stud a few years ago, Davis's play seemed to deteriorate as Tampa starting moving towards more zone coverage. Davis is only 27, so there is no reason not to expect Davis to return to form when utilized properly. The Lions moved up to snag the best CB in the draft with Terrion Arnold. He has impressed in camp and is currently a top bet to get DROY. I fully expect Terrion to be starting. The additions of Amik Robertson in free agency and Rakestraw in the second round of the draft will provide both depth and a solid nickle corner. Also, getting a healthy Mosely adds nice depth to the secondary.

Up front we of course have Hutch who is about to become an all-world DE and Alim who became an absolute beast in the middle. Adding DJ Reader as a Nose Tackle puts an unmoveable run stopper in the middle who will also collapse pockets and aid Hutch into getting sacks. Despite injury concerns, Marcus Davenport will provide an enormous improvement over Cominski at the other end. Additionally, Wingo has been very impressive in camp and could end up being a late round steal at DE. We still have Houston who just needs to stay healthy, who can come in and provide a big boost to the pass rush. Addionally Brodrick Martin is reported looking to be in much better shape and ready to make a bigger impact in his second year.

I firmly believe Branch will be moved to safety and will team with Iffy to be the best duos of safeties in the league. Kirby provides some depth.

And finally, I believe the coaching changes will be a big factor in our defensive improvement. Terrell Williams who Dan Campbell calls the best Defensive Line coach in the NFL, should be huge in helping the Lions get even more pressure on the QB. The secondary coaching staff was completely revamped with the addions of O'Neil and Townshed which should help improve our secondary play.

I see this defensive making huge strides this season, and I would not be shocked if they were pushing being a top 5 unit. But I know you all hate too much optimism, so I will conservatively say this will be a Top 10 defense.
 
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Jake Bates missed a 39 yarder last weekend. Today he hit from 39 & 44 but pushed the potential game winner from 53.

Jake Bates is now 17-of-22 on the season.

Misses from 39, 51, 53, 58, 62
 
Jake Bates missed a 39 yarder last weekend. Today he hit from 39 & 44 but pushed the potential game winner from 53.

Jake Bates is now 17-of-22 on the season.

Misses from 39, 51, 53, 58, 62

His percentage is good but not great, but when you realize nearly half is attempts are from beyond 50 yards with several 60 plus yarders it makes it much better. Low sample size, but that one miss from 39 hurts.

GOAT distance kickers like Prater and Tucker can hit 75 percent from beyond 50. Stats that breakout 60 yarders are hard to find. But roughly throughout the history of the NFL kickers are about 25 of 160 from 60 plus. So from beyond 60 his numbers are incredible. Of course kickers kicking record-breaking distances against Detroit in the last seconds to win games are a perfect 2 for 2.
 
Over the cap has the Lions with the 3rd most cap space available with over $40 million pending league approval of the voiding of Sutton's contract. That is pretty incredible since we just extended three foundational pieces with mega contracts.

Click-bait world wants the Lions not to 'waste' thst money and go all-on on free agent signings. That is not Brad's style. I think the Lions are pretty content with their starting currently pieces in-house and are not desparate to upgrade. Maybe Bates for about $2-3 million makes sense. Money Badger is currently about $1.3 million.

If they right deal came, Brad might jump on it, but the Lions are going to hold on to that cap money and see how the preseason goes. If a need arises either through some injury or a positional group not working out, Brad will do his magic. Otherwise he will stay put and use thst money for some well-deserved extentions for guys like Hutch, Iffy and Alim.
 
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PFF has been running articles ranking positional groups; here are the ranked Lions:
  • TOP 32 IDL - Reader 13, McNeil 15
    other teams with 2 players ranked: IND 6 & 31, SEA 17 & 25, WAS 14 & 32, ATL 18 & 28, BUF 22 & 24, GB 27 & 29

  • TOP 32 LB - none

  • TOP 32 EDGE - Hutchinson 6, Davenport 32
    other teams with 2 or more players ranked: DAL 2 & 12, CLE 1 & 17, LAC 7 & 13, PIT 4 & 19, MIA 10 & 15, HOU 16 & 20, PHI 14, 23 & 31, NYG 21 & 29, MIN 24 & 32

  • TOP 32 OT - Sewell 3, Decker 14
    other teams with 2 players ranked: PHI 5 & 6, NYJ 7 & 18, TB 2 & 25, MIN 4 & 23, IND 15 & 16, ATL 24 & 29, CIN 27 & 30, CHI 31 & 32

  • TOP 32 RBs - Gibbs 9, Montgomery 23
    other teams with 2 players ranked: MIA 13 & 18, PIT 19 & 22

  • TOP 32 TEs - LaPorta 5

  • TOP 32 QBs - Goff 16

  • TOP 32 WRs - St Brown 7
 
Gibbs is already easily top 5.

LaPorta is easily top 3.

Alim, Penei, and Hutch are roughly fairly graded, but they are improving so much year to year that they will move even higher up the ranks this year.

Goff probably should be a few notches higher. Both Goff and Saint despite having some limitations, fit so perfectly into Detroits offensive scheme, they will put up numbers better than their rankings.

At least the rankings are starting to give Lions players some respect. It was just a few years ago every positional group including OL and QB were ranked 26 or lower.
 
Gibbs is already easily top 5.

LaPorta is easily top 3.

Alim, Penei, and Hutch are roughly fairly graded, but they are improving so much year to year that they will move even higher up the ranks this year.

Goff probably should be a few notches higher. Both Goff and Saint despite having some limitations, fit so perfectly into Detroits offensive scheme, they will put up numbers better than their rankings.

At least the rankings are starting to give Lions players some respect. It was just a few years ago every positional group including OL and QB were ranked 26 or lower.

A few years ago most of these players weren't on the team.
 
Gibbs is already easily top 5.

LaPorta is easily top 3.

Alim, Penei, and Hutch are roughly fairly graded, but they are improving so much year to year that they will move even higher up the ranks this year.

Goff probably should be a few notches higher. Both Goff and Saint despite having some limitations, fit so perfectly into Detroits offensive scheme, they will put up numbers better than their rankings.

At least the rankings are starting to give Lions players some respect. It was just a few years ago every positional group including OL and QB were ranked 26 or lower.

A few years ago most of these players weren't on the team.

Goff and the core OL were. They had Goff ranked around 28 and even our OL was in the 20's.

Your vibes are always so positive.
 
Gibbs is already easily top 5.

LaPorta is easily top 3.

Alim, Penei, and Hutch are roughly fairly graded, but they are improving so much year to year that they will move even higher up the ranks this year.

Goff probably should be a few notches higher. Both Goff and Saint despite having some limitations, fit so perfectly into Detroits offensive scheme, they will put up numbers better than their rankings.

At least the rankings are starting to give Lions players some respect. It was just a few years ago every positional group including OL and QB were ranked 26 or lower.

A few years ago most of these players weren't on the team.

Goff and the core OL were. They had Goff ranked around 28 and even our OL was in the 20's.

Your vibes are always so positive.

It was Goff's first year in Detriot and he was bad and they were horrible.

Sorry your pie in the sky vibe is wrong and you don't read what I wrote. Most of the guys weren't there and the team won 3 games. No one was underrating them. You wanted PFF to give them favorable ratings for guys that weren't on the team yet.
 
At least the rankings are starting to give Lions players some respect. It was just a few years ago every positional group including OL and QB were ranked 26 or lower.

I started doing low cost best balls a week ago. 5 or so a day for a $1 each. It's a fun time waster. If I find an approach I like I'll try it for $20. Seeing the schedule, all the turf games for Goff and Gibbs; I'd really like to build Lions stacks. The "rankings" may have just started catching on, but best ballers are all over it. It takes reaching and the perfect draft slot to build a Lions stack. You can't have both ARSB and Gibbs. You can have one of them and La Porta maybe half the time. If you get two, a savvy drafter will block it with Goff a round, round and a half above adp. :shrug:
 
He sounds like someone who has a good grasp of his overall situation. It's his decision and he seems happy with it.

Sounds like a guy that is going to be a really good head coach one day. He isn't some ego maniac that thinks he can fix any situation/player or that his way is the only way that will work. The Lions made a great hire when they got Johnson.
I'm reminded of an interview I read of Tim Duncan after he decided to come back to Wake Forest for his senior year. He said he felt it was important for him to take that extra year to mature. I remember thinking the fact that he was so self-aware suggested he was plenty mature.

I think BJ is more than ready to be a head coach, but the fact that he's approaching the potential move with such awareness suggests that whichever team ends up with him will get a good one
 

2024 Detroit Lions mandatory minicamp observations: Jack Campbell nabs 2 INTs

By Jeremy Reisman@DetroitOnLion Jun 4, 2024, 4:40pm EDT

In Dan Campbell’s pre-practice press conference, he was asked about the Detroit Lions revamped secondary, and he could barely contain his excitement.

“It’s a great place to be in,” Campbell said. “We have so many options right now, so much competitiveness. (Defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn) AG and I were talking about it again, (general manager) Brad (Holmes) and I are talking about it every evening. The talent level, the competitiveness, the versatility. Honestly, we have no idea who our starting lineup is going to be right now and it’s exciting. It’s so good.”

While many of those players remain sidelined, we saw flashes during Tuesday’s minicamp practice of what an improved secondary may do for a defense that struggled to defend the pass last year. I recorded a total of four interceptions on the day from the Lions defense—three thrown by Jared Goff, one by Hendon Hooker.

For a defense that has averaged just 13 interceptions a season under Dan Campbell (18th since 2021), that could be a huge deal for the Lions.

To kick off our mandatory minicamp observations, I’ll break down each interception.

Interception 1: Brandon Joseph intercepts pass Jared Goff intended for Amon-Ra St. Brown


During an 11-on-11 red zone drill, Goff stared down St. Brown and didn’t see safety Brandon Joseph drop into zone coverage. The ball was thrown right at Joseph, who continues to work with the first-team defense due to injuries. Campbell noted before practice that Joseph saw significant improvement during the season last year.

“There was a comfort level by the end of the year like, ‘Man this guy we think could probably go in there and hold his own a little bit,’” Campbell said. “So that’s a good sign. There has been noticeable growth from him last year. I would tell you even in this spring he’s improved.”

It wasn’t a perfect day from Joseph. On one 7-on-7 red zone rep, he tried to jump a route from Kalif Raymond on the outside, but Goff then threw Raymond inside for an easy touchdown.

Interception 2: Hendon Hooker pick-sixed by Khalil Dorsey


During a situational drill where the offense started on its own 1-yard line, Hooker’s drive lasted just two plays. Craig Reynolds bounced a run outside for 5 yards, then Hooker tried to hit Daurice Fountain on a quick pass. But Dorsey jumped the route for a relatively easy pick-six.

It was another tough day for Hooker. He dealt with both accuracy issues and was consistently taking simulated sacks after holding the ball too long. That said, he did finish the day strong, scoring touchdowns on two of four 7-on-7 red zone attempts to finish practice on a couple of nice throws to Maurice Alexander and Donovan Peoples-Jones, who had beaten C.J. Moore handily.

Interception 3: Jack Campbell ends situational drill with tip-drill pick


The Lions offense was moving down the field after being put in a tough position: down four points with 47 seconds left, starting at their own 20-yard line with no timeouts. In short, they had to go 80 yards in 47 seconds.

Amon-Ra St. Brown kicked off the drive with a solid 15-yard gain that also stopped the clock by getting out of bounds. Then Sam LaPorta picked up back-to-back receptions for 33 yards total to set the Lions just 32 yards away with 17 seconds left.

Jack Campbell was beat pretty thoroughly on the second LaPorta reception, but he made amends on the next play by nabbing an interception. I couldn’t see who tipped the pass at the line of scrimmage, but the ball jumped high into the air, and in a group of about five players, Campbell wrestled the ball away and made an athletic grab to end the drill.

Interception 4: Campbell closes a dominant red zone drill for defense


During the final set of red zone drills for the first teamers—all starting inside the 10-yard line—it was an absolute bloodbath for the defense. Goff went 0-for-4 with an interception. Carlton Davis blanketed Antoine Green for an incompletion, Ifeatu Melifonwu had sticky coverage on LaPorta to force another incompletion, and Goff couldn’t find Fountain on his other attempt.

Much like his first interception of the day, Goff intended to hit St. Brown but didn’t see Campbell sitting in the zone. St. Brown was initially open, but after hesitating, Goff waited until St. Brown crossed over into Campbell’s zone, where he was able to easily pick off a pass right at his hands.

Earlier in practice, Campbell also showed nice anticipation, (lightly) colliding with LaPorta on a grab during a third-and-22 situational drill. The Lions tight end was stopped 13 yards short—forcing a punt—and it’s possible he would’ve jarred the ball loose if at full speed because he arrived just as the ball was getting there. He also notched a pressure/sack in an earlier drill.

Campbell got most of the first-team reps at the MIKE position with Alex Anzalone back at the WILL. Derrick Barnes still got some time with the first team, but mostly in three linebacker sets. Anzalone noted that he sees a level of comfort in Campbell’s game.

“I think he’s built off what he did at the tail end of last year. I think he’s obviously more comfortable with the play calls,” Anzalone said after practice.

Other notes from practice

  • Strong day from Kalif Raymond, who had a string of red zone reps where he scored three touchdowns in four plays (two from Goff, one from Hooker). His best route was a wheel-like route, in which he left Brandon Joseph at least a couple yards in the dust.
  • Nate Sudfeld didn’t get a single team rep until the final two sets of 7-on-7s. Hooker continues to get most of the second and third team reps, as they really focus on his development.
  • Another practice, another impressive play from Kaden Davis, who made a toe-tapping touchdown grab during a red zone drill, although Chris Spielman did not think he got both feet down, waving his hands incomplete under the goalposts.
  • The only special teams drills the Lions worked on Tuesday were punts. Notably, it was Jalen Reeves-Maybin who stepped in the personal protector role (C.J. Moore was blocking on the edge of the line). Punt returners, in the order I saw them were Kalif Raymond, Maurice Alexander, Jalon Calhoun, Tom Kennedy, Isaiah Williams, and Jameson Williams.
  • A strong start to practice from Levi Onwuzurike, who tallied two sacks/pressures early on the day. On the second one, he came barrelling into the backfield with little control over his body and nearly crashed into Hooker’s legs, but the quarterback was able to sidestep the pressure. Scary moment.
  • Sione Vaki continues to shine as a receiver, taking a screen for a touchdown and making a tough-adjustment touchdown catch while falling to the ground. I think he has a long way to go to earn any sort of significant role on offense, but I am not counting him out to potentially challenge for the RB3 role sooner rather than later over Craig Reynolds.
  • Just so we don’t take it for granted, St. Brown remains the focal point of the offense and a dominant player. He scored touchdowns on back-to-back red zone drills. In the first, he perfectly found the soft spot in the zone between Campbell and Anzalone for the score. On the second, he was wide open after a miscommunication between Melifonwu and Davis.
 

2024 Detroit Lions mandatory minicamp observations: Jack Campbell nabs 2 INTs

By Jeremy Reisman@DetroitOnLion Jun 4, 2024, 4:40pm EDT

In Dan Campbell’s pre-practice press conference, he was asked about the Detroit Lions revamped secondary, and he could barely contain his excitement.

“It’s a great place to be in,” Campbell said. “We have so many options right now, so much competitiveness. (Defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn) AG and I were talking about it again, (general manager) Brad (Holmes) and I are talking about it every evening. The talent level, the competitiveness, the versatility. Honestly, we have no idea who our starting lineup is going to be right now and it’s exciting. It’s so good.”

While many of those players remain sidelined, we saw flashes during Tuesday’s minicamp practice of what an improved secondary may do for a defense that struggled to defend the pass last year. I recorded a total of four interceptions on the day from the Lions defense—three thrown by Jared Goff, one by Hendon Hooker.

For a defense that has averaged just 13 interceptions a season under Dan Campbell (18th since 2021), that could be a huge deal for the Lions.

To kick off our mandatory minicamp observations, I’ll break down each interception.

Interception 1: Brandon Joseph intercepts pass Jared Goff intended for Amon-Ra St. Brown


During an 11-on-11 red zone drill, Goff stared down St. Brown and didn’t see safety Brandon Joseph drop into zone coverage. The ball was thrown right at Joseph, who continues to work with the first-team defense due to injuries. Campbell noted before practice that Joseph saw significant improvement during the season last year.

“There was a comfort level by the end of the year like, ‘Man this guy we think could probably go in there and hold his own a little bit,’” Campbell said. “So that’s a good sign. There has been noticeable growth from him last year. I would tell you even in this spring he’s improved.”

It wasn’t a perfect day from Joseph. On one 7-on-7 red zone rep, he tried to jump a route from Kalif Raymond on the outside, but Goff then threw Raymond inside for an easy touchdown.

Interception 2: Hendon Hooker pick-sixed by Khalil Dorsey


During a situational drill where the offense started on its own 1-yard line, Hooker’s drive lasted just two plays. Craig Reynolds bounced a run outside for 5 yards, then Hooker tried to hit Daurice Fountain on a quick pass. But Dorsey jumped the route for a relatively easy pick-six.

It was another tough day for Hooker. He dealt with both accuracy issues and was consistently taking simulated sacks after holding the ball too long. That said, he did finish the day strong, scoring touchdowns on two of four 7-on-7 red zone attempts to finish practice on a couple of nice throws to Maurice Alexander and Donovan Peoples-Jones, who had beaten C.J. Moore handily.

Interception 3: Jack Campbell ends situational drill with tip-drill pick


The Lions offense was moving down the field after being put in a tough position: down four points with 47 seconds left, starting at their own 20-yard line with no timeouts. In short, they had to go 80 yards in 47 seconds.

Amon-Ra St. Brown kicked off the drive with a solid 15-yard gain that also stopped the clock by getting out of bounds. Then Sam LaPorta picked up back-to-back receptions for 33 yards total to set the Lions just 32 yards away with 17 seconds left.

Jack Campbell was beat pretty thoroughly on the second LaPorta reception, but he made amends on the next play by nabbing an interception. I couldn’t see who tipped the pass at the line of scrimmage, but the ball jumped high into the air, and in a group of about five players, Campbell wrestled the ball away and made an athletic grab to end the drill.

Interception 4: Campbell closes a dominant red zone drill for defense


During the final set of red zone drills for the first teamers—all starting inside the 10-yard line—it was an absolute bloodbath for the defense. Goff went 0-for-4 with an interception. Carlton Davis blanketed Antoine Green for an incompletion, Ifeatu Melifonwu had sticky coverage on LaPorta to force another incompletion, and Goff couldn’t find Fountain on his other attempt.

Much like his first interception of the day, Goff intended to hit St. Brown but didn’t see Campbell sitting in the zone. St. Brown was initially open, but after hesitating, Goff waited until St. Brown crossed over into Campbell’s zone, where he was able to easily pick off a pass right at his hands.

Earlier in practice, Campbell also showed nice anticipation, (lightly) colliding with LaPorta on a grab during a third-and-22 situational drill. The Lions tight end was stopped 13 yards short—forcing a punt—and it’s possible he would’ve jarred the ball loose if at full speed because he arrived just as the ball was getting there. He also notched a pressure/sack in an earlier drill.

Campbell got most of the first-team reps at the MIKE position with Alex Anzalone back at the WILL. Derrick Barnes still got some time with the first team, but mostly in three linebacker sets. Anzalone noted that he sees a level of comfort in Campbell’s game.

“I think he’s built off what he did at the tail end of last year. I think he’s obviously more comfortable with the play calls,” Anzalone said after practice.

Other notes from practice

  • Strong day from Kalif Raymond, who had a string of red zone reps where he scored three touchdowns in four plays (two from Goff, one from Hooker). His best route was a wheel-like route, in which he left Brandon Joseph at least a couple yards in the dust.
  • Nate Sudfeld didn’t get a single team rep until the final two sets of 7-on-7s. Hooker continues to get most of the second and third team reps, as they really focus on his development.
  • Another practice, another impressive play from Kaden Davis, who made a toe-tapping touchdown grab during a red zone drill, although Chris Spielman did not think he got both feet down, waving his hands incomplete under the goalposts.
  • The only special teams drills the Lions worked on Tuesday were punts. Notably, it was Jalen Reeves-Maybin who stepped in the personal protector role (C.J. Moore was blocking on the edge of the line). Punt returners, in the order I saw them were Kalif Raymond, Maurice Alexander, Jalon Calhoun, Tom Kennedy, Isaiah Williams, and Jameson Williams.
  • A strong start to practice from Levi Onwuzurike, who tallied two sacks/pressures early on the day. On the second one, he came barrelling into the backfield with little control over his body and nearly crashed into Hooker’s legs, but the quarterback was able to sidestep the pressure. Scary moment.
  • Sione Vaki continues to shine as a receiver, taking a screen for a touchdown and making a tough-adjustment touchdown catch while falling to the ground. I think he has a long way to go to earn any sort of significant role on offense, but I am not counting him out to potentially challenge for the RB3 role sooner rather than later over Craig Reynolds.
  • Just so we don’t take it for granted, St. Brown remains the focal point of the offense and a dominant player. He scored touchdowns on back-to-back red zone drills. In the first, he perfectly found the soft spot in the zone between Campbell and Anzalone for the score. On the second, he was wide open after a miscommunication between Melifonwu and Davis.
Great article. Please keep linking these if you can, fascinating to learn the practice processes of this team.
 
Also, have seen various reports saying Giovanni Manu is just swimming right now, absolutely overwhelmed. Gonna take a few years to get him up to NFL speed, but they knew that when he was drafted.

The other Canadian, CFL DPotY Mathieu Betts, has been getting praise from MCDC and others. I figured him to be a long shot to make the team. These early reports don’t mean anything bc we haven’t seen anyone at full speed in pads, but it’s encouraging he’s off to a good start.

Same with Sione Vaki, another player who seems like a project at RB, but at least with him you know he’ll be a major ST contributor right from the jump.
 
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Dan Campbell said Levi Onwuzurike is having a "really good spring." Likes where he's at right now. He’s put on more weight bc his back can handle it now.

Also had high praise Josh Paschal, too.

(with the caveat they’re not in pads yet so doesn’t mean much yet - but said he’s proud of how Levi has continued to grind & work hard.)
 
PFF has been running articles ranking positional groups; here are the ranked Lions:
  • TOP 32 IDL - Reader 13, McNeil 15
    other teams with 2 players ranked: IND 6 & 31, SEA 17 & 25, WAS 14 & 32, ATL 18 & 28, BUF 22 & 24, GB 27 & 29

  • TOP 32 LB - none

  • TOP 32 EDGE - Hutchinson 6, Davenport 32
    other teams with 2 or more players ranked: DAL 2 & 12, CLE 1 & 17, LAC 7 & 13, PIT 4 & 19, MIA 10 & 15, HOU 16 & 20, PHI 14, 23 & 31, NYG 21 & 29, MIN 24 & 32

  • TOP 32 OT - Sewell 3, Decker 14
    other teams with 2 players ranked: PHI 5 & 6, NYJ 7 & 18, TB 2 & 25, MIN 4 & 23, IND 15 & 16, ATL 24 & 29, CIN 27 & 30, CHI 31 & 32

  • TOP 32 RBs - Gibbs 9, Montgomery 23
    other teams with 2 players ranked: MIA 13 & 18, PIT 19 & 22

  • TOP 32 TEs - LaPorta 5

  • TOP 32 QBs - Goff 16

  • TOP 32 WRs - St Brown 7

Wondering …. Ragnow ??
 
PFF has been running articles ranking positional groups; here are the ranked Lions:
  • TOP 32 IDL - Reader 13, McNeil 15
    other teams with 2 players ranked: IND 6 & 31, SEA 17 & 25, WAS 14 & 32, ATL 18 & 28, BUF 22 & 24, GB 27 & 29

  • TOP 32 LB - none

  • TOP 32 EDGE - Hutchinson 6, Davenport 32
    other teams with 2 or more players ranked: DAL 2 & 12, CLE 1 & 17, LAC 7 & 13, PIT 4 & 19, MIA 10 & 15, HOU 16 & 20, PHI 14, 23 & 31, NYG 21 & 29, MIN 24 & 32

  • TOP 32 OT - Sewell 3, Decker 14
    other teams with 2 players ranked: PHI 5 & 6, NYJ 7 & 18, TB 2 & 25, MIN 4 & 23, IND 15 & 16, ATL 24 & 29, CIN 27 & 30, CHI 31 & 32

  • TOP 32 RBs - Gibbs 9, Montgomery 23
    other teams with 2 players ranked: MIA 13 & 18, PIT 19 & 22

  • TOP 32 TEs - LaPorta 5

  • TOP 32 QBs - Goff 16

  • TOP 32 WRs - St Brown 7

Wondering …. Ragnow ??

Top xx Centers hasn’t come out yet.

Top 32 Guards came out today, I’ll make a post about that and a couple other position rankings they’ve released recently.
 
PFF has been running articles ranking positional groups; here are the ranked Lions:
  • TOP 32 IDL - Reader 13, McNeil 15
    other teams with 2 players ranked: IND 6 & 31, SEA 17 & 25, WAS 14 & 32, ATL 18 & 28, BUF 22 & 24, GB 27 & 29

  • TOP 32 LB - none

  • TOP 32 EDGE - Hutchinson 6, Davenport 32
    other teams with 2 or more players ranked: DAL 2 & 12, CLE 1 & 17, LAC 7 & 13, PIT 4 & 19, MIA 10 & 15, HOU 16 & 20, PHI 14, 23 & 31, NYG 21 & 29, MIN 24 & 32

  • TOP 32 OT - Sewell 3, Decker 14
    other teams with 2 players ranked: PHI 5 & 6, NYJ 7 & 18, TB 2 & 25, MIN 4 & 23, IND 15 & 16, ATL 24 & 29, CIN 27 & 30, CHI 31 & 32

  • TOP 32 RBs - Gibbs 9, Montgomery 23
    other teams with 2 players ranked: MIA 13 & 18, PIT 19 & 22

  • TOP 32 TEs - LaPorta 5

  • TOP 32 QBs - Goff 16

  • TOP 32 WRs - St Brown 7

A few more positional rankings:
  • TOP 32 OG - Zeitler 6, Glasgow 27
    other teams with 2 players ranked: DAL 4 & 7, KC 2 & 13, CLE 8 & 9, LAR 12 & 20, PIT 14 & 20, CAR 10 & 29, JAX 17 & 24, CHI 16 & 26, TEN 22 & 28

  • TOP 32 CB - Branch 13, Davis III 22
    other teams with 2 or more players ranked: NYJ 1, 9 & 14, MIA 6 & 8, BUF 10 & 15, TEN 12 & 26, DAL 19, 22 & 31, CLE 17 & 24, SEA 21 & 25

  • Top 32 S - none
weird but OK
  • ALL 32 Team Roster Rankings - Detroit 6th (SF-KC-PHI- NYJ lol -BAL)

  • Top 10 QB-WR Duos - Goff to ARSB 7th
ETA word
 
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They really have the Jets ranked higher?

It’s insane

Since the end of 2021 Rodgers has had one game with more than 2 TDs (he had 3) & has had no 300 yard games. Looked great in OTAs though lol.



2024 NFL roster rankings: Strengths, weaknesses and X factors for every starting lineup​

4. NEW YORK JETS

Biggest strength in 2023: Pass Defense

The Jets ranked first in the NFL in coverage grade and sixth in pass-rush grade last season. They boast elite players in both units, including Sauce Gardner, C.J. Mosley and Quinnen Williams. All of the foundational pieces return and their defense is absolutely lethal when they are ahead late in games.

Biggest weakness in 2023: Offensive Line

Offensively, the Jets struggled to block people in 2023. Their offensive line suffered a rash of injuries and finished the season with the second-worst overall grade in the league. They enter this year with hopes of significant improvement after adding Tyron Smith, Morgan Moses, John Simpson and first-round pick Olu Fashanu.

X-factor for 2024: QB Aaron Rodgers

Assuming the team’s offensive line is fixed, Aaron Rodgers is the key for New York to return to the playoffs for the first time since 2010. Rodgers played just four snaps last season before suffering a torn Achilles. If he is recovered and plays like a top-10 quarterback, the Jets become another dangerous team in a loaded AFC.

Rookie to watch: WR Malachi Corley

If all goes according to plan, first-round pick Olu Fashanu will sit on the bench for the majority of the season. That leaves Malachi Corley as the most likely rookie to earn a starting role. He’s an after-the-catch specialist who should immediately improve an offense that ranked dead last in slot receiving grade last year.

Over/Under 9.5 win total: Over

If the offensive line improves and Aaron Rodgers is healthy, the Jets are an extremely talented team. The additions of Corley and ex-Charger Mike Williams should complement Breece Hall and Garrett Wilson quite well. They don’t need their offense to be elite. They need it to be functional. They already have arguably the best defense in the NFL. As was the case last year, any scenario where they miss the postseason is a disappointment.

Projected starting lineup for 2024

OFFENSEDEFENSE
QB Aaron Rodgers (39.4)DI Quinnen Williams (90.6)
RB Breece Hall(82.4)DI Javon Kinlaw(53.8)
RB Israel Abanikanda(59.0)Edge Jermaine Johnson (83.0)
WR Garrett Wilson (72.9)Edge Haason Reddick (73.0)
WR Mike Williams (74.6)Edge Micheal Clemons (65.9)
WR Malachi Corley (82.6*)LB C.J. Mosley(82.9)
TE Tyler Conklin(65.6)LB Quincy Williams(81.1)
LT Tyron Smith(83.7)CB Sauce Gardner(88.6)
LG John Simpson(56.3)CB D.J. Reed Jr.(77.9)
C Joe Tippmann(61.0)CB Michael Carter II (80.4)
RG Alijah Vera-Tucker (71.7)S Tony Adams(68.0)
RT Morgan Moses (80.3)S Chuck Clark(66.1**)

6. DETROIT LIONS

Biggest strength in 2023: Offense

Offensive coordinator Ben Johnson has worked magic these last two seasons running Detroit’s offense, and the results have led to perhaps the best run the Lions have had in the Super Bowl era. The newly-paid Jared Goff has been excellent, putting up an 84.3 passing grade while throwing for 4,574 yards and 30 touchdowns during the regular season. His top pass catchers were Amon-Ra St. Brown and rookie sensation Sam LaPorta. St. Brown was one of the best receivers in the NFL last season, as his 91.3 receiving grade last season trailed only Tyreek Hill and Brandon Aiyuk.

As for LaPorta, his 81.8 receiving grade trailed only Travis Kelce, George Kittle and T.J. Hockenson among tight ends. Then you have arguably the most dynamic running back duo in David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs, both of whom had rushing grades of at least 80 while rushing for at least 900 yards and ten touchdowns apiece. The offensive line is also a major strength, as all five projected starters heading into the 2024 season had a PFF grade of at least 70 last season, led by Penei Sewell’s league-leading 92.8 mark.

Biggest weakness in 2023: Outside cornerback

While the Lions had one of the most productive offenses in the NFL last season, it often came as a result of having to keep pace with their opponents, as the Lions’ 48.3 team coverage grade last season was the third-worst in the NFL. The Lions recognized this and made it a priority in the offseason, as not only did they spend their top two draft picks on cornerbacks, but they also traded for Carlton Davis III from the Buccaneers. While, on paper, this team is certainly improved at the corner spot, they will be relying a lot on young talent to step up to try and take the next step in reaching the franchise’s first-ever Super Bowl.

X-factor for 2024: WR Jameson Williams

Outside of Amon-Ra St. Brown, the Lions are very thin at the wide receiver position, especially after Josh Reynolds‘ departure. Their first-round pick from 2022 Jameson Williams has shown flashes of being able to be a playmaker in the league, but he hasn’t been able to put it all together for extended periods of time. He’s entering Year 3, so time is running out for him to become the impact player the Lions thought he would be when they traded up for him. However, if he reaches his potential, this already potent Lions offense could become unstoppable.

Rookie to watch: CBs Terrion Arnold/Ennis Rakestraw Jr.

As previously mentioned, corner was such a massive hole for the Lions that they used each of their top two picks on the position in Terrion Arnold and Ennis Rakestraw Jr. Both guys should get opportunities to play from day one, as Rakestraw was a first-round talent that fell to the second due to core and groin injuries while Arnold was the top corner on a lot of teams’ boards that the Lions were able to take at Pick 24. Both corners offer positional flexibility as they can each play either outside or nickel, which would allow Brian Branch to play safety full-time.

Over/Under 10.5 win total: Over

The Lions came so close to reaching the franchise’s first Super Bowl last season before a late-game collapse doomed them against the 49ers. This year they’re making a real run for it, as on paper this might be the best Lions team of the Super Bowl era. With the rise of Jordan Love, the Bears’ youth movement and the Vikings’ potentially high-flying offense, the NFC North is going to be much tougher than it was in 2023. However, the Lions appear to have the firepower to hold them off as they search for back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history.

Projected starting lineup for 2024

OFFENSEDEFENSE
QB Jared Goff(85.7)DI Alim McNeill(86.8)
RB David Montgomery(79.6)DI DJ Reader(82.2)
RB Jahmyr Gibbs(76.3)Edge Aidan Hutchinson (91)
WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (91.2)Edge Marcus Davenport (55.4)
WR Jameson Williams (62.9)Edge Josh Paschal (59.1)
WR Kalif Raymond(75.4)LB Jack Campbell(52.1)
TE Sam LaPorta(77)LB Alex Anzalone(69.8)
LT Taylor Decker(81.1)CB Carlton Davis III (63.1)
LG Graham Glasgow (74.9)CB Terrion Arnold(88.4*)
C Frank Ragnow(88.8)CB Brian Branch(78.9)
RG Kevin Zeitler(71.6)S Ifeatu Melifonwu(82.1)
RT Penei Sewell(92.8)S Kerby Joseph(56.5)

 
2024 Offseason Spending by Team
  1. DET 626.5
  2. PHI 558.1
  3. CAR 456.9
  4. NE 423.2
  5. TEN 413.6
  6. JAX 413.2
  7. MIN 383.7
  8. HOU 377.6
  9. KC 356.0
  10. TB 350.6
14. LAR 284.9​
16. BAL 278.8​
22. GB 221.5​
23. SF 205.1​
24. CHI 200.4​
32. DAL 93.4​
The Lions have spent $487,677,500 on extensions this offseason; only the Eagles ($355M) are close.

They've spent more on extensions than any two franchises besides PHI.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/offseason/_/year/2024
 
2024 Offseason Spending by Team
  1. DET 626.5
  2. PHI 558.1
  3. CAR 456.9
  4. NE 423.2
  5. TEN 413.6
  6. JAX 413.2
  7. MIN 383.7
  8. HOU 377.6
  9. KC 356.0
  10. TB 350.6
14. LAR 284.9​
16. BAL 278.8​
22. GB 221.5​
23. SF 205.1​
24. CHI 200.4​
32. DAL 93.4​
The Lions have spent $487,677,500 on extensions this offseason; only the Eagles ($355M) are close.

They've spent more on extensions than any two franchises besides PHI.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/offseason/_/year/2024

And this is why Brad doesn't make big splashes on FA pickups, so he can make big long-term investments.
 
Mike O’Hara is retiring Monday, having been a Lions beat writer for 58 years (46 42 for the Freep Detroit News, 12 16 for the team website.) Vietnam vet. MCDC had a nice tribute to him at the end of his morning presser.

Sheila & Rod snuck in the back door to thank O’Hara as well.

Campbell said his challenge to the players is “what do you want out of this year? what do you want to accomplish, what do you want to remember in February?” Asked on what he wants:

“You know what I want, I want the whole enchilada.”

Khalil Dorsey (carted off Wednesday) is an ankle sprain, no soft tissue damage. Nothing serious.

Really interesting answer when asked if the motivation of a "contract year" is a real thing.

Basically said he hopes not. If that's what it takes to motivate a player, they don't want them here.

Says the players they want here will treat every year like that.

Edit - correction on Mike O'Hara's career
 
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Most likely winner of a season award:

1. Terrion Arnold = DROY. +1200
2. Gibbs = OPOY. +3500
3. Hutch = DPOY. +1600
4. ARSB = OPOY. +2200
5. Dan Campbell = COY. +2500
6. Goff = MVP. +3500

Gibbs might be the most attractive of these bets because the odds are too high. I think Gibbs has a really good chance of having a very special season. Arnold is the most likely to win though except that award tends to favor the guy with good sack numbers.

For super bowl, I like the Lions over the Ravens @ +7500. Put $20 on that and thank me later.
 
@AdamSchefter

Lions admitted they “violated player work rules pertaining to on-field physical contact pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement” and they now will forfeit their Monday June 10 practice.

STATEMENT FROM THE DETROIT LIONS

"On Friday evening the organization was made aware by the NFL and NFLPA that Organized Team Activities (OTA) practices held the week of May 27 violated player work rules pertaining to on-field physical contact pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement. As a result, the team’s OTA practice scheduled for Monday, June 10 has been forfeited. We take very seriously the rules set forth within the NFL’s Offseason Program and have worked to conduct our practices accordingly. We will continue to be vigilant with our practices moving forward.”
 
UFL playoff game today at 3pm, Michigan Panthers are 5 point dogs. I believe if they lose their kicker Bates becomes a free agent.
I think all UFL contracts make them immediately available for the NFL once their season ends.

Jake Bates made his first 4 kicks today, with a long of 53. But he made a few costly mistakes in his team's loss today, including two missed field goals (51 & 44) with the latter being blocked. Before that a kickoff out of bounds led to a momentum-shifting touchdown. He also injured his plant foot / left ankle on the blocked FGA. No word on how severe.

A great season came to a disastrous end for the Lions fan-favorite.
 
Most likely winner of a season award:

1. Terrion Arnold = DROY. +1200
2. Gibbs = OPOY. +3500
3. Hutch = DPOY. +1600
4. ARSB = OPOY. +2200
5. Dan Campbell = COY. +2500
6. Goff = MVP. +3500

Gibbs might be the most attractive of these bets because the odds are too high. I think Gibbs has a really good chance of having a very special season. Arnold is the most likely to win though except that award tends to favor the guy with good sack numbers.

For super bowl, I like the Lions over the Ravens @ +7500. Put $20 on that and thank me later.

If I recall correctly you believe the Lions are going to win 15+ games. If that happens you should have money on Campbell and Goff because they are going to be in the running for those awards. Most sites will offer a nice cash out or you could even hedge those bets later in the year and guarantee some profit.
 
Most likely winner of a season award:

1. Terrion Arnold = DROY. +1200
2. Gibbs = OPOY. +3500
3. Hutch = DPOY. +1600
4. ARSB = OPOY. +2200
5. Dan Campbell = COY. +2500
6. Goff = MVP. +3500

Gibbs might be the most attractive of these bets because the odds are too high. I think Gibbs has a really good chance of having a very special season. Arnold is the most likely to win though except that award tends to favor the guy with good sack numbers.

For super bowl, I like the Lions over the Ravens @ +7500. Put $20 on that and thank me later.

If I recall correctly you believe the Lions are going to win 15+ games. If that happens you should have money on Campbell and Goff because they are going to be in the running for those awards. Most sites will offer a nice cash out or you could even hedge those bets later in the year and guarantee some profit.

If I recall you think it was reasonable that Goff was rated the 28th best QB. Goff has never been even remotely close to being that low. You also still think Jamo is going to be a bust. You are such a tool with snarky comments in every response you make towards me. And for the record I do have money on every one of those bets. I really don't comprehend still being stuck in a SOL mentality. This is a great era of Lions football.
 
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Most likely winner of a season award:

1. Terrion Arnold = DROY. +1200
2. Gibbs = OPOY. +3500
3. Hutch = DPOY. +1600
4. ARSB = OPOY. +2200
5. Dan Campbell = COY. +2500
6. Goff = MVP. +3500

Gibbs might be the most attractive of these bets because the odds are too high. I think Gibbs has a really good chance of having a very special season. Arnold is the most likely to win though except that award tends to favor the guy with good sack numbers.

For super bowl, I like the Lions over the Ravens @ +7500. Put $20 on that and thank me later.

If I recall correctly you believe the Lions are going to win 15+ games. If that happens you should have money on Campbell and Goff because they are going to be in the running for those awards. Most sites will offer a nice cash out or you could even hedge those bets later in the year and guarantee some profit.

If I recall you think it was reasonable that Goff was rated the 28th best QB. Goff has never been even remotely close to being that low. You also still think Jamo is going to be a bust. You are such a tool with snarky comments in every response you make towards me. And for the record I do have money on every one of those bets. I really don't comprehend still being stuck in a SOL mentality. This is a great era of Lions football.

Well you recall wrong. Maybe go back and read the thread again and stop being so sensitive.
 
Most likely winner of a season award:

1. Terrion Arnold = DROY. +1200
2. Gibbs = OPOY. +3500
3. Hutch = DPOY. +1600
4. ARSB = OPOY. +2200
5. Dan Campbell = COY. +2500
6. Goff = MVP. +3500

Gibbs might be the most attractive of these bets because the odds are too high. I think Gibbs has a really good chance of having a very special season. Arnold is the most likely to win though except that award tends to favor the guy with good sack numbers.

For super bowl, I like the Lions over the Ravens @ +7500. Put $20 on that and thank me later.

If I recall correctly you believe the Lions are going to win 15+ games. If that happens you should have money on Campbell and Goff because they are going to be in the running for those awards. Most sites will offer a nice cash out or you could even hedge those bets later in the year and guarantee some profit.

If I recall you think it was reasonable that Goff was rated the 28th best QB. Goff has never been even remotely close to being that low. You also still think Jamo is going to be a bust. You are such a tool with snarky comments in every response you make towards me. And for the record I do have money on every one of those bets. I really don't comprehend still being stuck in a SOL mentality. This is a great era of Lions football.

Well you recall wrong. Maybe go back and read the thread again and stop being so sensitive.

Nothing I recall was wrong. You call my posts hyperbole when I state facts, and these are clearly snarky comments. You have recently called Jamo an absolute bust multiple times. You refer to Dan Cambpell's decisions as bone-headed. My posts are not directed at you, but you make comments directed at me. You consistantly bring negativity and make the discussion personal. That is not being 'sensitive', that is stating facts.
 
Most likely winner of a season award:

1. Terrion Arnold = DROY. +1200
2. Gibbs = OPOY. +3500
3. Hutch = DPOY. +1600
4. ARSB = OPOY. +2200
5. Dan Campbell = COY. +2500
6. Goff = MVP. +3500

Gibbs might be the most attractive of these bets because the odds are too high. I think Gibbs has a really good chance of having a very special season. Arnold is the most likely to win though except that award tends to favor the guy with good sack numbers.

For super bowl, I like the Lions over the Ravens @ +7500. Put $20 on that and thank me later.

If I recall correctly you believe the Lions are going to win 15+ games. If that happens you should have money on Campbell and Goff because they are going to be in the running for those awards. Most sites will offer a nice cash out or you could even hedge those bets later in the year and guarantee some profit.

If I recall you think it was reasonable that Goff was rated the 28th best QB. Goff has never been even remotely close to being that low. You also still think Jamo is going to be a bust. You are such a tool with snarky comments in every response you make towards me. And for the record I do have money on every one of those bets. I really don't comprehend still being stuck in a SOL mentality. This is a great era of Lions football.

Well you recall wrong. Maybe go back and read the thread again and stop being so sensitive.

Nothing I recall was wrong. You call my posts hyperbole when I state facts, and these are clearly snarky comments. You have recently called Jamo an absolute bust multiple times. You refer to Dan Cambpell's decisions as bone-headed. My posts are not directed at you, but you make comments directed at me. You consistantly bring negativity and make the discussion personal. That is not being 'sensitive', that is stating facts.

Wrong again. I never said Jamo was a bust. I said he has been so far, but he can change that. Dan Campbell himself has admitted he has made mistakes and cost his team games. I never would think Goff was the 28th best qb in the league.

You don't state facts you give predictions, like Goff would sign for 40 million to 45 million or Gibbs would set these crazy rb back records his rookie year. Get off your high horse, people can be fans anyway they want to they don't have to see everything like you do.
 

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