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The long snapper, Teez Tabor and the Gronk deal …. three screwups. Crushes your hope for the future. I hate being pessimistic like this.
My 79-year-old father just survived 10 days in the hospital with COVID. Four years ago he had another near-death experience when he came down with encephalitis.
I can definitely relate. A few years ago I was at a baseball game between two teams I didn't care about. The visiting team hit a bunch of home runs, and the fans dutifully threw the balls back on the field. My first thought was that if that happened to me at Comerica, I wouldn't feel any obligation to throw the ball back. My second thought was that I also wouldn't care enough about the ball to keep it.matuski said:
So Miami keeps the 3 and the 5? I think that's too much of a drop, Miami would have to include a future 1st. If they were going to trade down that far, I wouldn't be surprised if BB convinced the Lions to trade down with the Patriots for the 23rd pick, a can of soup, and a promise to hire both Quinn and Patricia back after they get fired by the Lions.
This is exactly why I believe other teams will not pay a premium price to move up to 3. They know Quinn will not draft a QB at 3. The Giants took a QB early last year. Miami and SD will get a QB staying where they are at.
It is a good thought but I would rather build with picks. If we were even remotely close to being a playoff team I would jump on it. I don’t trust Patricia to maximize a star defensive talent like that at this point, so it makes no sense to pay that kind of salary.
I think I do it and trust that Detroit would use him properly. We might take Derrick Brown at 3 and his ceiling probably isn't as high as what have already seen from Jones.
If you're not remotely close to being a playoff team then why not take a QB?
If it were up to me it is because I am not convinced that I like any of the quarterbacks available at the three spot. I also don’t think it is the biggest concern on the team (unless Stafford’s back is worse than we know).
I like it. Giving the morons more darts to throw would increase their chances of hitting on something.
If SD wants Tua they could trade up and Miami could see their attempt and create a bidding war.
I really don't like that move. I would rather have one of the options at 3 (or ideally trade down a bit) on a rookie deal. I don't know how much longer Jones is signed for, but with the Lions' history, I wouldn't expect that he'd re-sign with the Lions, so they would likely only have him for a couple of seasons, where they should have at least 5 with the rookie.
Jones is tagged and needs a long-term deal. I imagine any trade would be contingent on Jones getting a new contract, similar to the Buckner/Colts trade we saw last month.
The Lions really aren't in a position where they should be setting the market cost on anyone. And to get him to go from the Super Bowl champs to the Lions, the only way he agrees to that is if he becomes the highest paid player at his position. I really can't see the logic in that, which is why it is a distinct possibility.
I think Schefter said that teams don’t want to trade on the fly due to the technical issues so expect teams to already have trades in place contingent on certain players being available.
To move from 18 to 3 should take more than that imo.
I stay and pick or take another deal that keeps me in the top 10 should one exist. If not then I take the top player on my board.
Hmmm... I don't know. Given how often players-even top 10 players- bust, I think I would rather have the 3 extra top 40 picks.
The value chart does not mean squat unless Quinn could make good choices at those spots, his track history proves otherwise.
I was just making the point that the lions would lose nothing and still get a free pick. Who knows what they will do with it, they still got to make the trade.
Because Matt Patricia has a very specific defense that doesn't match what most of the NFL does. So to his scheme, Tavai was very valuable. They said he was probably the only player in the draft who could fill the role. Now this might speak to how awful the system is. When draftniks rank the players, they have to rank them generically. For example their is DT from Auburn named Marlon Davidson who isn't a very hot name but is likely a lot higher on the Pats, Lions and Fins draft boards than anyone else. He is a perfect fit for their scheme and not so much with other teams. So his value changes depending where he lands.
Great, so Patricia's defense is so specific that when this regime leaves, the roster will be full of players that suck in any standard defense. But, looking at their performance the past couple of seasons, they pretty much suck in his scheme too.
I hope you are right. If Quinn screws this up it’s time for another Millen Man March...
Yep. It always shocks me when these owners or GMs hire a coach and build a roster for a 3-4 defense and two years later, hire another coach who wants to go back to a 4-3. Seems like senseless waste.
Regarding Tavai you need to have the balls to let him drop some before you pick him. I think Tavai was slotted for the 4th-5th round by other teams. A second rounder shouldn't be burned on a player that only you had ranked that high.
