BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Dan Campbell is the guy in your local league who every year lobbies to do away with kickers
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2024 Detroit Lions 3-1: MNF: DC and the Lions finally beat Seattle!! (13 Viewers)
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Dan Campbell is the guy in your local league who every year lobbies to do away with kickers
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Unless Badgley is lights out the rest of the year. Pretty sure the kicker position will addressed this offseason.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I was in the garage and Denver had the ball, came in and Lions were all celebrating. Asked my wife how did we get the ball?
She said..some fat guy took it and started running.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Great to have Buggs back in there tbh. Maybe some of you guys can tell me why not, but couldn’t help but think that when Buggs was ‘lumbering’ along with the ball alongside our other players, would for any reason it have been illegal for him to hand the ball off to one of our quicker guys ?! They would have been home for a TD I reckon
Jamo got the targets we’ve all been calling out for for the last 3 odd weeks so I was very happy. It’s not quite happened for him yet but he’s a danger to go to the house from any of those intermediate receptions he catches, if he can just find a little seam of space to accelerate once he’s got the ball.
Melifonwu has been excellent last two games. Feel like he’s come up with some massive crunching tackles on big downs
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I was also hoping he would hand the ball off to the DB who was trailing him and asking for the ball. A defender can pass the ball along to another player just as long as the other player is not in front of him.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Buggs is such a showboat I doubt anyone could take that ball from him. He probably bugs Ben Johnson every week to put him in as the goal line back.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Watching the replay if the players running with Buggs turned around they could have picked up 77 on Bronco who made the tackle. 77 looked fast but then I remembered it was Buggs running.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Not sure if this was already covered but the Lions swept 2 divisions this year, first the NFC South and now the AFC West.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Penei Sewell is PFF's No. 1 OT and it is not particularly close right now.
He has earned a 91.3 overall grade.
Second place is Tyron Smith at 84.0.
He has earned a 91.3 overall grade.
Second place is Tyron Smith at 84.0.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Stafford - Goff trade revisited
Rams Receive:
Rams Receive:
- Matthew Stafford (Friend of Clayton Kershaw)
- Jared Goff
- Ifeatu Melifonwu
- Jameson Williams
- Josh Paschal
- Jahmyr Gibbs
- Sam LaPorta
- Brodric Martin
What a haul.
With Carolina beating Atlanta, the Lions will clinch a playoff spot if the Rams lose or tie vs Washington or Seattle loses or ties vs the Eagles.
As an aside, Matt Patricia will be calling defensive plays for the Eagles. They are obviously desperate.
Still hoping the Eagles lose. Not worried about slipping in as a wild card, but there is still a long shot hope for the #1 seed.
Goff has been very good, a borderline top 10 QB.
Gibbs is a stud, should have multiple pro-bowls in his future including this year.
LaPorta projects out to soon being the best TE in football.
Iffy has recently looked like a damn good player.
Pascal just had a pretty good game, so there is hope he can help improve our DL woes.
Martin is starting to show up as a rookie, but is still a project.
And then Jamo has slowly become an important dependable piece with upside of being one of the most electric weapon in the NFL.
The trade was the reason this complete teardown and rebuild is ahead of schedule.
We got 5 starters, all with key roles.
And two more who are young with future starter potential.
That rates right up as the biggest haul for a single player trade, clearly only trailing the obscene haul for Hershel Walker.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Detroit Lions have won 11 games in a season three times in the teams history (2014, 1962, 1931)
The Detroit Lions have won 12 games in a season once in the teams history (1991)
The Detroit Lions have never won 13 games in a regular season in the teams history
The Detroit Lions have won 12 games in a season once in the teams history (1991)
The Detroit Lions have never won 13 games in a regular season in the teams history
Vildor grades out as our highest pff grade on defense....our secondary is so much better when Harris and Jacobs are not on the field. Iffy is looking great. Gardner-Johnson and Houston close to returning. Levi stepped up and had a good game. Buggs is back and contributing. This defense could be decent heading into the playoffs. Which did not look possible for a long while.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Per Dave Birkett, Frank Ragnow had meniscus surgery on his knee. Then played the next game.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Could happen, but aside from needing to beat Dallas on the road, they will need to win a Week 18 game against a Minnesota team that may be fighting for a playoff spot while Detroit is locked into the 3 seed
ETA: But let's not get ahead of ourselves ...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Penei Sewell's All-Pro level PFF Grades
- Overall Grade 91.3 1st
next highest T is 84.0 - Run Blocking 93.4* 1st
next highest T is 86.9 - Pass Blocking Efficiency 98.5 1st
in 532 pass pro opportunities, has allowed 15 pressures and 1 sack
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Lions an early 3 point favorite at Minny, down from 3.5. Total is 47.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
DET has 6 expected moves before YE:
- CJGJ
- Jason Cabinda
- Hendon Hooker (maybe not)
- Irvin (1 PS elevation left)
- Alim McNeil
- James Houston
- Steven Gilmore
- Trevor Nowaske
- Antoine Green
- Charles Harris
- Julian Okwara
- Chase Lucas
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I get that it was a really loaded class but what a gift it was for Sewell to fall to us
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And what a gift to have a GM smart enough to actually be the smartest guy in the room and not pass on him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
True though I have a hard time giving Holmes credit there. That was such a no brainer pick and honestly, if we had taken Surtain or Parsons instead people wouldn't exactly be complaining.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm of the opinion that OL is still the most underrated position in football. Just look at the difference when all 5 are healthy at the same time. Next to QB that's the difference maker imo. Lions have a mediocre defense and still have a 10-4 record.
There is no doubt Goff has been a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde depending upon the OL play. He was turnover city recently when he was not getting good protection. And then there is a 5 TDs and no turnovers gem. But with the OL it takes 5 really good players to have a great one.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Absolutely. Was just about the only thing our previous GM got correct was that he saw the value in the trenches and unless I am mistaken he drafted Decker and Ragnow and also drafted Jonah Jackson and Glasgow, whilst getting the likes of TJ Lang in FA. It would be fair to say that the current staff are reaping the benefit of some of that work. By adding in Sewell and a few others our OL really is top notch when all fit
He also reaped the benefits of having a completed depleted defense which lacked even a single worthwhile holdover and a WR core which was total buttcheeks.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Well yes, of course. I was just glancing through the Quinn drafts before I made that post. The 2017 class is an absolute disaster. 2016-2020 almost every single D choice failed. A’Shawn Robinson and Tracy Walker is about as good as it gets. Too many Teez Tabors and the like. I can possibly forgive Okudah and the terrible injury he sustained in his rookie year. A lot of the FA signings had logic behind them but they weren’t supported by any depth at all from the drafts and he then of course installed an all time awful HC that sunk the whole ship. That decision really was the fatal blow. Wouldn’t have mattered what kind of drafts he did in 18, 19 and 20 the obituary was already being written
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
With Philly's loss, the No. 2 seed is still very much in play if Detroit can beat Dallas in two weeks. (Top seed probably out of reach given SF's 9-1 conference record)
For the #1 seed....Lions would have to win out. Possible, but not probable. Would lock us into the #2 seed.
SF would have to lose to Baltimore....quite possible.
And lose to either the Rams or Washington. Not very likely at all. Although I do give the Rams a shot.
BTW....I am discounting the possibility SF losing to Washington to near zero to simplify the scenarios.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Trying to imagine other scenarios as ridiculous as hiring the guy whose terrible defense contributed to your franchise's lone Super Bowl win as your DC. Belichick hiring Darrell Bevell as his OC? Giants bringing in Scott Norwood as their special teams coach? Packers trying to beat the Lions by hiring the DC from their 0-16 team (oh wait, that actually happened)The Eagles allowed Seattle to drive 92 yards in 1:24 and didn't even use their timeout...and Drew Lock was the QB.
Vintage Matt Patricia.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I realized there's a bit of a Schrodinger's Cat problem: If the Lions beat Dallas, it makes it more likely they could beat out the Cowboys for the No. 2 seed but also makes it less likely the Cowboys would win the NFC East. And I'm not sure if Detroit wins any tiebreakers against Philly (whose final three games are against NYG/Ari/NYG)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Better record in common games
Philly would have the same conference record as Detroit, so I think it comes down to record versus common opponents (Sea, Dallas, Baltimore, Minnesota, and KC). Eagles are 3-3 against those, while us winning out would put us at 4-2.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Ah, because in this scenario Detroit would have beaten Dallas and Philly would have gone 1-1 against them, while Detroit would have swept Minnesota.
They both beat Tampa and KC and lost to Seattle.
Anyway, we're getting way ahead of ourselves here. Right now I just want them to beat Minnesota and clinch their first-ever NFC North title
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Philly didn't play Baltimore. The sixth team is Tampa
Ok, I was looking at a preseason game, so swap out Balt with TB, which elimates a loss and adds a win to both teams...so Philly is 4-2 in common games and Detroit would be 5-1...if we win out.
It is no science, but if you want to know why we dumped players like Hockinson and Swift and did not draft Jalen Carter or pick up Suh, Jalen Hurts summed it up:
Jalen Hurts: “We’re not committed enough” - PFT
“I’ve been talking about execution all year,” Hurts said. “Being on the same page, everyone being on the same page. We didn’t execute. I don’t think we’re, we’re all, we’re committed enough. Just got to turn it around. You know, it’s a challenge that we have to embrace. Just continue to see it through.” Hurts was asked what he means by that. “Commitment......"
Homes and Campbell want commitment as their number 1 priority when drafting or acquiring a player. So when you scratch you head over a pick or over a FA we passed on, bet the farm it was because they did not see the level of commitment in that player they expect.
Jalen Hurts: “We’re not committed enough” - PFT
“I’ve been talking about execution all year,” Hurts said. “Being on the same page, everyone being on the same page. We didn’t execute. I don’t think we’re, we’re all, we’re committed enough. Just got to turn it around. You know, it’s a challenge that we have to embrace. Just continue to see it through.” Hurts was asked what he means by that. “Commitment......"
Homes and Campbell want commitment as their number 1 priority when drafting or acquiring a player. So when you scratch you head over a pick or over a FA we passed on, bet the farm it was because they did not see the level of commitment in that player they expect.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Good point. Obviously we don't know everything that went on, but in general I trust H&C when it comes to team building.
I would also add D-Hop to that list. From a football standpoint, he could have been a good addition. But I can definitely see how they might not have thought he was a great cultural fit
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Final three games
- 49ers 11-3
Ravens
At Commanders
Rams - Cowboys 10-4
At Dolphins
Lions
At Commanders - Lions 10-4
At Vikings
At Cowboys
Vikings - NFC South
- Eagles 10-4
Giants
Cardinals
At Giants
Someone might have posted this but Frank Ragnow had meniscus surgery and only missed one game. That's insane and takes a lot of mental and physical toughness. He embodies everything Campbell and Holmes want in a football player.
Ragnow has not allowed a sack all year and only a couple of pressures. For my money he's the best center in the NFL.
Ragnow has not allowed a sack all year and only a couple of pressures. For my money he's the best center in the NFL.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Like Sgt. Hulka from the movie Stripes, Frank Ragnow is the Big Toe of the Lions.
Was a bit puzzled with the Patterson to Badgley switch. Patterson has missed of couple of extra points (one a bad snap) and a short FG recently. 15 for 17 is pretty respectable for FGs and better than Badgley 20 for 24 last season. Patterson is not particularly good at 50+ yard FG, but still better than Badgley. Nearly identically mediocre kickers who should only be kicking behind 50 yards in complete desperation. I guess just the recent miscues kind of all stacked up together to make Patterson look worse than he is.
