2024 Detroit Lions 6-1: Lions "Dismember the Titans." On to Green Bay (73 Viewers)

[nysfl2]

Looks like we’re not extending davis

 

[Moonlight]

Rakestraw like Arnold better in press. Carleton Davis prefers press.

Lions can now be aggressive and play press on defense.

 

[jon_mx]

That is one way to say good riddance to Will Harris, Jerry Jacobs, Cam Sutton, Chase Lucas, Sterling Thomas, Khalil Dorsey and the entire secondary coaching staff.....we cleaned house.

The 27th ranked pass defense no more.

 

[Zeppelin]

You can't go wrong taking best player available.

 

[The Captain]

Massive weakness last year is now a strength. Holmes doesn’t mess around

 

[Mt. Man]

Lions picks: 1st - CB Arnold. 2nd - CB Rakestraw. 3rd - CB Carlton Davis
Can't really badmouth Brad, and can't fault him for finding last year's DB room a mess.
Now a really long wait. Wonder if 5th/6ths will produce at least once OL. Maybe WR too? Or a long shot at Edge?

 

[Moonlight]

Uh

Lions picks: 1st - CB Arnold. 2nd - CB Rakestraw. 3rd - CB Carlton Davis
Can't really badmouth Brad, and can't fault him for finding last year's DB room a mess.
Now a really long wait. Wonder if 5th/6ths will produce at least once OL. Maybe WR too? Or a long shot at Edge?

Brad has ants in his pants regarding the draft. Believe he will get back in before our 5th round pick using next year’s picks

 

[jon_mx]

Lions picks: 1st - CB Arnold. 2nd - CB Rakestraw. 3rd - CB Carlton Davis
Can't really badmouth Brad, and can't fault him for finding last year's DB room a mess.
Now a really long wait. Wonder if 5th/6ths will produce at least once OL. Maybe WR too? Or a long shot at Edge?

The CB position has clearly caught up with the rest of the defense. Look at the end of last season;

Puka.....9-181
Justin Jefferson.. 12-192
Justin Jefferson. 6-141
Ceedee Lamb... 13-227
Mike Evans. 8-147

That was embarrassing. I would say they addressed that.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Man talk about taking care of a position group by just flooding the roster with talent.

Think about who we play six times a year, you're gonna have to have good corners to beat GB, CHI & MIN.

Watson & Reed & a plethora of young WRs
DJ Moore & Keenan Allen + Rome Odunze
JJ & Addison

Brad is cookin'

This is like swapping out a 4 cylinder for a big block V8

 

[BobbyLayne]

Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best
Brad knows best

When he says best player available, he means it.

I was thinking he would take a shotgun approach and go for other positions

Man has target fixation and I love it

 

[BobbyLayne]

positional villain

---

Brad waxing philosophical tonight:

If you draft guys with positional value but they don't contribute to your team, did you win the draft?

"We draft players. You draft the players who make us a better team. Draft this position? "

 

[Leroy Hoard]

9 picks in 2025:

• R1
• R2
• R3
• R4
• R4 PHI
• R5
• R6 TB
• R7 DAL
• R7

If you lose a round per year it seems like that 3rd could be shopped for a 4th this year. Or one of the 4ths for a 5th.

And I don't mean a 5th of tequila.

 

[Moonlight]

ESPN screen shot for the Rakestraw pick considered him to be a smart pick as there was only a 18% expectation that he would be available at pick 61.

 

[Zeppelin]

Just heard that, according to PFF, the best run defending CBs in college football last year were:

1. Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
2. Terrion Arnold.

 

[jon_mx]

Just heard that, according to PFF, the best run defending CBs in college football last year were:

1. Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
2. Terrion Arnold.

The Lions put a lot of value on physicality. We want guys who are going to punch you in the face on Defense. The trade-off is we don't have that elite top-end speed of someone like Wiggins would have given us, so we will need to disrupt their routes at the LOS.

It is going to be a fun season! We have a team loaded with playmakers on both sides of the ball. The first time I have really felt good about every single position. The schedule is much tougher though, especially with the Bears and the Vikings making huge strides.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

The Lions put a lot of value on physicality. We want guys who are going to punch you in the face on Defense.

Your misspelled “bite you in the kneecaps”

 

[Zeppelin]

Just heard that, according to PFF, the best run defending CBs in college football last year were:

1. Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
2. Terrion Arnold.

The Lions put a lot of value on physicality. We want guys who are going to punch you in the face on Defense. The trade-off is we don't have that elite top-end speed of someone like Wiggins would have given us, so we will need to disrupt their routes at the LOS.

It is going to be a fun season! We have a team loaded with playmakers on both sides of the ball. The first time I have really felt good about every single position. The schedule is much tougher though, especially with the Bears and the Vikings making huge strides.

I think both of these guys play faster than their 40 times. Very similar to Brian Branch.

 

[Mister CIA]

Hey homers, what are y'all's thoughts on the Detroit team defense? I've got them stashed and backing up the Dallas defense, and feeling kind of bullish.

 

[Ilov80s]

Hey homers, what are y'all's thoughts on the Detroit team defense? I've got them stashed and backing up the Dallas defense, and feeling kind of bullish.

It definitely seems like it's on the rise. Hutch and McNeil are both Pro Bowl quality DL and disruptors. If DJ Reader stays healthy, he is going to create even more quality match-ups for them to bring pressure on QBs. James Houston is a wild card. As a rookie he was probably the most efficient pass rusher in the NFL but he missed all of last season to injury. He could be a double digit sack pass rush specialist or he could be a guy who hardly sees the field. The big question will be how much all the new CBs actually fix the pass coverage problem because it was actually disgusting how poor our pass coverage was last year. It looked like we weren't even trying out there. So in theory, that should be better and our young guys should improve. I think the Lions will be difficult to run on and with a high scoring offense, teams will likely need to go pass heavy to keep up which for fantasy can create a lot of big splash plays like interceptions, qb sacks, etc. The potential is there for a good fantasy defense. But right now it's strictly potential.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm in a best ball redraft where we carry 2 D/STs. Even though it includes a homer bias I am looking at them as my second D for many of the reasons listed above. The new corners should give the line a little longer to get to the QB. Plus like Branch before him Arnold reacts well to the ball which hopefully creates turnovers.

 

[Moonlight]

Hey homers, what are y'all's thoughts on the Detroit team defense? I've got them stashed and backing up the Dallas defense, and feeling kind of bullish.

It definitely seems like it's on the rise. Hutch and McNeil are both Pro Bowl quality DL and disruptors. If DJ Reader stays healthy, he is going to create even more quality match-ups for them to bring pressure on QBs. James Houston is a wild card. As a rookie he was probably the most efficient pass rusher in the NFL but he missed all of last season to injury. He could be a double digit sack pass rush specialist or he could be a guy who hardly sees the field. The big question will be how much all the new CBs actually fix the pass coverage problem because it was actually disgusting how poor our pass coverage was last year. It looked like we weren't even trying out there. So in theory, that should be better and our young guys should improve. I think the Lions will be difficult to run on and with a high scoring offense, teams will likely need to go pass heavy to keep up which for fantasy can create a lot of big splash plays like interceptions, qb sacks, etc. The potential is there for a good fantasy defense. But right now it's strictly potential.

I view Houston and Jamo as players who have the potential to be “explosive” in terms of how much potential they have to elevate the defense and offense.

 

[Moonlight]

I can do without all the NFL promotion for going international. I’m perfectly satisfied with keeping the games in the US. Billionaires wanting to make more billions.
Hard on the teams having to play games overseas.

 

[TartanLion]

Just heard that, according to PFF, the best run defending CBs in college football last year were:

1. Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
2. Terrion Arnold.

The Lions put a lot of value on physicality. We want guys who are going to punch you in the face on Defense. The trade-off is we don't have that elite top-end speed of someone like Wiggins would have given us, so we will need to disrupt their routes at the LOS.

It is going to be a fun season! We have a team loaded with playmakers on both sides of the ball. The first time I have really felt good about every single position. The schedule is much tougher though, especially with the Bears and the Vikings making huge strides.

NFC North is most likely going to resemble AFC North where all the teams beat each other and split games, but fare well outside of their divisions and all are in the running for Div champs/wildcard. It’s going to be messy. I still feel good about it all but would have been nice to have 1-2 teams be dumpster fires whilst we are in our period of looking very good

 

[jon_mx]

Just heard that, according to PFF, the best run defending CBs in college football last year were:

1. Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
2. Terrion Arnold.

The Lions put a lot of value on physicality. We want guys who are going to punch you in the face on Defense. The trade-off is we don't have that elite top-end speed of someone like Wiggins would have given us, so we will need to disrupt their routes at the LOS.

It is going to be a fun season! We have a team loaded with playmakers on both sides of the ball. The first time I have really felt good about every single position. The schedule is much tougher though, especially with the Bears and the Vikings making huge strides.

I think both of these guys play faster than their 40 times. Very similar to Brian Branch.

They are very fluid and are elite in things like cone drills. But if a 4.3 guy gets a step on them, there is no closing speed. Good technique can help limit it, but there will always be those rare instances where not having that top end elite speed will hurt.

 

[Moonlight]

Just heard that, according to PFF, the best run defending CBs in college football last year were:

1. Ennis Rakestraw Jr.
2. Terrion Arnold.

The Lions put a lot of value on physicality. We want guys who are going to punch you in the face on Defense. The trade-off is we don't have that elite top-end speed of someone like Wiggins would have given us, so we will need to disrupt their routes at the LOS.

It is going to be a fun season! We have a team loaded with playmakers on both sides of the ball. The first time I have really felt good about every single position. The schedule is much tougher though, especially with the Bears and the Vikings making huge strides.

I think both of these guys play faster than their 40 times. Very similar to Brian Branch.

They are very fluid and are elite in things like cone drills. But if a 4.3 guy gets a step on them, there is no closing speed. Good technique can help limit it, but there will always be those rare instances where not having that top end elite speed will hurt.

True. In my internet surfing somebody mentioned that Arnold shut down Worthy when Bama played TX so hopefully that continues in the NFL

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lions traded up to 126, on the clock

 

[jon_mx]

Lions traded up to 126, on the clock

Is there another Alabama player available?

 

[jon_mx]

First British Columbia player ever drafted...
GIOVANNI
MANU..OT

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lions traded up to 126, on the clock

Is there another Alabama player available?

The opposite, from British Columbia.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Giovanni Manu

Lions give up a 3rd rd pick next year to the Jets to trade up from 164 to 126 (while wearing all Dan Campbell black jerseys in the draft war room ahahah) to select OT Giovanni Manu from the Univ. of British Columbia. Lined up on the left side at both T and G.

 

[Moonlight]

Sounds like they drafted the equivalent of Brodric Martin but on the O line. Developmental project

 

[BobbyLayne]

First British Columbia player ever drafted...
GIOVANNI
MANU..OT

First U Sports* player since 2016. David Onyemata, who was taken in the fourth round by the New Orleans Saints back in 2016, was the last.

*the governing body of university sport in Canada

 

[Leroy Hoard]

You wanted OL depth, you can't go deeper or wider than that.

 

[jon_mx]

If he would have been at Combine, he would have tested off the charts....

Manu was clocked at 5.03 in the 40-yard dash with a 33.5 inch vertical leap. He also bench-pressed 225 pounds for 23 reps

 

[BobbyLayne]

Sounds like they drafted the equivalent of Brodric Martin but on the O line. Developmental project

Went on Top 30 visits for 11 teams; Dallas had their eye on him. IMO way less of a reach than Martin (who was a Day 2 pick.)

His measurables are incredible. 352 lbs and he looks lean lol. He’s a specimen.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Paint him green and he could be the next Hulk.

 

[BobbyLayne]

If he would have been at Combine, he would have tested off the charts....

Manu was clocked at 5.03 in the 40-yard dash with a 33.5 inch vertical leap. He also bench-pressed 225 pounds for 23 reps

8’11” broad

oh my gosh

8.83 RAS (162nd out of 1377 OT since 1987)

 

[Mister CIA]

Paint him green and he could be the next Hulk.

Jolly Green Giant fits.

 

[jon_mx]

Could you imagine a 350 lbs beast jumping up 34" and landing on you? Damn, that is a massive amount of potential energy.

 

[Mister CIA]

A safety/running back.

 

[Zeppelin]

Safety Sione Vaki from Utah, very good pick.

 

[Moonlight]

A safety/running back.

Maybe he’s going to be the returner for the new kickoff rules.

 

[jon_mx]

It kind if makes sense to pick up a second guy with ties to Canada after getting Mathieu Betts earlier. Now we have two guys who can speak Canadian to each other.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Lions must have started day drinking at breakfast



What do you mean?

 

[Mister CIA]

A safety/running back.

Maybe he’s going to be the returner for the new kickoff rules.

Seems reasonable to expect that MCDC will mold a RB/Safety into a guy who will run through walls.

 

[Moonlight]

A safety/running back.

Maybe he’s going to be the returner for the new kickoff rules.

Seems reasonable to expect that MCDC will mold a RB/Safety into a guy who will run through walls.

Team captain continuing the Lions preference for leadership and intangibles.

 

[Ilov80s]

A safety/running back.

Maybe he’s going to be the returner for the new kickoff rules.

Maybe but speed is his one weakness. 4.6 speed

 

[BobbyLayne]

A safety/running back.

Maybe he’s going to be the returner for the new kickoff rules.

Maybe but speed is his one weakness. 4.6 speed

The Shohei Ohtani of CFB

The UW guy he outruns in that clip (#7 S Dominique Hampton) ran a 4.51.

 

[jon_mx]

Giovanni Manu is a three-way player. He has also played some DL and punted.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Giovanni Manu is a three-way player. He has also played some DL and punted.

Seems relevant

---

Also, averaged 30 ppg in basketball his senior year of h.s.

Not sure why we only traded a 2025 Day 2 pick. Sonny Weaver Jr would have shipped all the picks before getting them all back before the 5th round started.