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2024 Detroit Lions 8-1: Lions squeak by Texans 26-23 (59 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I poke fun at Caldwell but agree that swapping him with someone probably doesn't change much. The coach is not on the field dropping passes, missing run blocking assignments, or causing penalties. Now of coarse he has a role to play to improve this squad. However I think this team overachieved this year. Which is fine with me. As a Lion's fan I will take 2/3 years in the post season. Would I like to see improvement....absolutely. But we are talking about the ugliest franchise in the NFL....my bar is probably lower than most fan bases. If we are able to find a way to run with more consistency and improve defensively we should once again be in the playoff race next year.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I don't think people are mad at Caldwell for the drops, missed assignments and penalties. It is the mistakes he has made, not challenging several plays over the past few years. not expecting a hail mary at the end of a game. The way he saves his timeouts in the 1st half instead of challenging or maybe changing a play that has a bad look. He did get better this year, but in the past he was a ultra conservative play calling/going for it on 4th and short, although I think his improvement this year was more of a Stafford/JBC thing.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
this team hasn't won a division title in damn near 25 years. With the exception of the Browns who didn't even exist for part of that time every other team in football has won their division at least twice in that span, and with a few exceptions (Bills, maybe Jags who were also an expansion team) it's 3 or more
it just pains me to see people accept mediocrity because "it could be worse".
it just pains me to see people accept mediocrity because "it could be worse".
TartanLion
Footballguy
To add I'm pretty sure Caldwell came out earlier in the season and literally said that they ( as in the team, including him, not just the coordinators ) don't make half time adjustments.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I've watched or listened to every presser this season for all three. Caldwell's are usually 10-20 minutes, the other two are 2-4 minutes if you don't catch the live feed. Around Weeks 5-7 this kept getting asked & philosophically they feel it's a matter of executing of the game plan & not adjustments. I was astounded.TartanLion said:
It was amazing listening to them act genuinely confounded before the WC game that their execution in the third quarter hasn't matched the first two quarters. They acknowledged it was a season long problem. "Just one of those things, for whatever reason...."
I feel sorry for the reporters. You need access to do your job so you have to manage the relationship, but I don't how they resist just shouting "Did you consider maybe it has something to do with other teams making halftime adjustments?? Just throwing it out there, I'm just a writer."
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
red stripe
Footballguy
I like this post a lot and agree with most of it. I cannot buy into all the talk around town about needing a "lead RB". I can however get behind going for a big physical WR and/or TE in free agency or the draft. IMO a lot of running game problems were exacerbated by our WRs not being good blockers and the secondary pressing on them. Getting a good two-way TE like Butt maybe in 2nd or 3rd would really help IMO. That 4th down play against the Seahawks, I thought Mulligan had the 1st down if he cut back inside Warford's block but instead he ran right at the tackler and got megastuffed. We went through what 5 guys behind Ebron this year? Abdullah and Riddick back healthy and we'll be fine. But yeah agree with giving Caldwell another year and most of the above needs, with emphasis on BPA; if thats CB/WR in the first grab him and move on.
Who said anything about accepting mediocrity? What I object to is the idea that the only way to get better is by cleaning house.
Agreed. Also Philly. I've said elsewhere in this thread that Caldwell is kind of a poor man's Andy Reid. The Eagles were consistently good throughout Reid's tenure (until they had one bad year in '12), but could never get over the top. So they got rid of him and hired the hot HC candidate of that year. Reid has gone on to KC and made the playoffs in three out of four years, while Philly has missed three out of four (and implicitly admitted their mistake by hiring back Reid's OC).
The fact is, outside of NE, Seattle and maybe a couple other teams, every team's fans love to complain about their HC, and how the team would be better if they could just get someone else (look at Bradshaw complaining about Tomlin). There's obviously some selection bias going on, but in general the teams who stick with their coaches over the long term tend to also be the ones who perform better.
There's obviously a point where a coach has worn out his welcome and has to go (Schwartz being a good example), or has such a poor track record that the team needs to move on (Bradley, Fischer). But in general I think teams have far too itchy trigger fingers. When a guy has a winning record, is popular with the players and has built a strong team of assistants, it seems short-sighted to get rid of him.
Yenrub
Footballguy
For those saying the Lions should go in a different direction as far as head coach is concerned. Be careful in what you ask for because the direction the end up going might not be the direction you want.
Look in the division at the Bears. Lovie may not have been a great coach but the Bears were competitive with him as the HC. He went 10-6 in his last season there.
The Bears have not been above .500 in any of the 4 seasons since they fired him, they were .500 the season after he left they have fired Trestman (the guy they replaced him with) and Fox just finished a three win season.
Good example. Even in the prototypical case where this kind of move "worked" -- Bucs firing Dungy because he couldn't get past the first round, then winning the SB in Gruden's first year -- doesn't look so clear cut over the longer term. Dungy built the Colts into a consistent winner (though obviously having Peyton helped with that) and eventually won his own Super Bowl, while Gruden was eight games below .500 over his next six seasons, made the playoffs twice, and yes, lost both times in the first round.Yenrub said:
Yes, it's great if you can hire a Belichick, pair him with a Brady, and consistently win 12 games every year. But for everyone else, the best you can hope for is to have a team that makes the playoffs fairly consistently, and hope that in one or two of those years things break your way and you win a Super Bowl. If the Lions can become the NFC version of the Ravens (with a worse coach but a better QB), I'd be very happy.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Watching every playoff game so far I have come to the conclusion the Lions are not a playoff caliber team and could not have beat any teams that are in the playoffs. Just watching yesterday the Packers, Cowboys, Chiefs and Steelers would have destroyed the Lions in a playoff game.
Looking at next years schedule I think 8-8 would be a very lofty goal.
Looking at next years schedule I think 8-8 would be a very lofty goal.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Had the same thought myself, although i have a different view of next season.
It's obvious the four NFC semi-finalists play the game at a speed and intensity with which the Lions are wholly unfamiliar.
The deficiency in talent is readily apparent, and I don't think the 2016 Lions had enough talent to beat any of them (with AA & Theo maybe a different story.)
That said, I think Quinn is on the right path, building the team from the interior linemen outward, and I expect that talent gap to narrow.
The more I look at the schedule the more I feel like like some of y'all are giving outsized grandeur to thoroughly mediocre teams.
8 home games: I'm not saying the Lions will go 8-0, but I don't think anyone should be surprised if they do. Ford Field is one of the loudest stadiums in the league and the Lions are historically a good home team. 2016 (6-2) won 6 straight at home, 2015 (4-4) mirrored the season - 1-3 first half, 3-1 the second half, 2014 (7-1) total = (17-7) last 3. The 2017 home schedule will be ATL, GB, PIT and 5 teams that finished .500 or worse.
8 away games - as with the home schedule, only 3 teams that finished better than .500: GB, NYG, TB, and 5 who finished .500 or worse.
We'll see what the draft & FA brings, but I'm not scared of that schedule.
You ever read about the time when Moses sent twelve spies into Canaan? Only two of them thought it was good idea to go into the promised land. They were the only two that crossed over the Jordan 40 years later (Caleb & Joshua.)
I'll be dead or infirm if the Lions wander in the desert for another forty years.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I think a 5-3 home record would be a success.Had the same thought myself, although i have a different view of next season.
It's obvious the four NFC semi-finalists play the game at a speed and intensity with which the Lions are wholly unfamiliar.
The deficiency in talent is readily apparent, and I don't think the 2016 Lions had enough talent to beat any of them (with AA & Theo maybe a different story.)
That said, I think Quinn is on the right path, building the team from the interior linemen outward, and I expect that talent gap to narrow.
The more I look at the schedule the more I feel like like some of y'all are giving outsized grandeur to thoroughly mediocre teams.
8 home games: I'm not saying the Lions will go 8-0, but I don't think anyone should be surprised if they do. Ford Field is one of the loudest stadiums in the league and the Lions are historically a good home team. 2016 (6-2) won 6 straight at home, 2015 (4-4) mirrored the season - 1-3 first half, 3-1 the second half, 2014 (7-1) total = (17-7) last 3. The 2017 home schedule will be ATL, GB, PIT and 5 teams that finished .500 or worse.
8 away games - as with the home schedule, only 3 teams that finished better than .500: GB, NYG, TB, and 5 who finished .500 or worse.
We'll see what the draft & FA brings, but I'm not scared of that schedule.
You ever read about the time when Moses sent twelve spies into Canaan? Only two of them thought it was good idea to go into the promised land. They were the only two that crossed over the Jordan 40 years later (Caleb & Joshua.)
I'll be dead or infirm if the Lions wander in the desert for another forty years.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Lions just didn't have the talent this year. I have to give a lot of credit to Stafford and the coaching staff for getting a playoff appearance out of this team. Stafford's finger limited him a bit, but the real killer of the season was the loss of Ameer and Theo. Lions whole offense revolves around short quick passes and YAC. Ameer and Theo might be the best pair of backs in the league when it comes to making plays in space. Losing them left the offense pretty impotent.Da Guru said:
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Excellent point. While I would prefer a more traditional (think this years cowboys) running game, I realize not everyone has the worlds best OL to work with. The short passing game is a decent alternative to it though and without RB1 & RB1A there just wasn't the personnel to make it happen.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
That would be a disappointment IMO, they need to win at least 6 home games to take another step forward.
kutta
Footballguy
Hate to hijack, but wanted to take a minute thank everyone who gave me suggestions on what to do in Detroit. I had a great time. Here are some highlights.
1. I took a tour of old abondned buildings (https://www.tripadvisor.com/AttractionProductDetail?product=9636P1&d=42139&aidSuffix=xsell&partner=Viator). It was very cool. We went to an old school, the GM plant, an old motor plant, and an old church. Saw lots of cool grafitti as well as some pretty cool architecture. It was freaking cold though!
2. I drove by my old houses. The one I lived in longest is at Hubbel and Grand River. It was amazing to see what has happened to that area (as well as many others). I was amazed how deserted Grand River was.
3. Saw relatives in Detroit and made a trip to Cleveland. It was great seeing everyone.
4. I stayed right across the street from the Sweetwater Tavern, so I spent most of my time there. It was so cold, and I didn't want to drive, so at night I would walk that area and hit a few bars. Jacoby's was right there too, so I spent some time there.
5. I tried to watch the game at Cheli's, but it was closed! I was shocked. So many of the bars downtown were closed So, I made my way back to sweetwater tavern and watched it there. I loved the wings there, and I think I had them 3 nights in a row.
6. I tried Fishbone's one night. I thought it was good but not great. I had ribs and a crab appetizer.
7. I LOVED the stadium area. Ford Field right by Comerica Park is super cool. I can't wait to come back for a game.
Overall, I loved it there. It was great to see home again after all this time. It's good to see some of the revitalization going on, and I couldn't help but think that I'd lke to get involved in that somehow. I may actually start looking at some buildings to purchase for apartments, as I've been doing some apartment investments here in Phoenix, so it seems like a good fit.
I'll be back for sure for the Cardinals game next year. Hopefully I'll get the chance to meet some of you guys for real.
1. I took a tour of old abondned buildings (https://www.tripadvisor.com/AttractionProductDetail?product=9636P1&d=42139&aidSuffix=xsell&partner=Viator). It was very cool. We went to an old school, the GM plant, an old motor plant, and an old church. Saw lots of cool grafitti as well as some pretty cool architecture. It was freaking cold though!
2. I drove by my old houses. The one I lived in longest is at Hubbel and Grand River. It was amazing to see what has happened to that area (as well as many others). I was amazed how deserted Grand River was.
3. Saw relatives in Detroit and made a trip to Cleveland. It was great seeing everyone.
4. I stayed right across the street from the Sweetwater Tavern, so I spent most of my time there. It was so cold, and I didn't want to drive, so at night I would walk that area and hit a few bars. Jacoby's was right there too, so I spent some time there.
5. I tried to watch the game at Cheli's, but it was closed! I was shocked. So many of the bars downtown were closed So, I made my way back to sweetwater tavern and watched it there. I loved the wings there, and I think I had them 3 nights in a row.
6. I tried Fishbone's one night. I thought it was good but not great. I had ribs and a crab appetizer.
7. I LOVED the stadium area. Ford Field right by Comerica Park is super cool. I can't wait to come back for a game.
Overall, I loved it there. It was great to see home again after all this time. It's good to see some of the revitalization going on, and I couldn't help but think that I'd lke to get involved in that somehow. I may actually start looking at some buildings to purchase for apartments, as I've been doing some apartment investments here in Phoenix, so it seems like a good fit.
I'll be back for sure for the Cardinals game next year. Hopefully I'll get the chance to meet some of you guys for real.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
A nice step forward this year would have been a home playoff game. Still, making the playoffs 2 out of 3 years seems like progress. The online seemed to be better this year than recent memory, love the youth movement but Reiff looks like he wants to test FA as a LT. Defense played better as the year went on, but still has a lot of needs.
One thing I notice watching the packers is all the wr they have that they drafted. Part of it is Rodgers just making them all look good, but they seem to take a wr every year if not 2. DET waited on fuller for years, and I like jones, but it seems we draft one guy and try to wait 4 yrs to see what we have (outside of the Millen era of course). We need depth in the wr core (te included), depth on the online, and a difference maker on defense (along with depth). I'd be ok with boldin being back.
I think if we draft a rb it will be a later round banger, but we may ignore the position to be honest. Zenner looked like he can bang it, and Washington looked good early. Riddick and Abdullah are great pass catchers, and AA can be a factor in the return game as well, freeing up a wr spot (unless you really like Roberts, is rather see some youth). I keep writing some of this and walking away so I feel like I'm rambling. Go lions!
One thing I notice watching the packers is all the wr they have that they drafted. Part of it is Rodgers just making them all look good, but they seem to take a wr every year if not 2. DET waited on fuller for years, and I like jones, but it seems we draft one guy and try to wait 4 yrs to see what we have (outside of the Millen era of course). We need depth in the wr core (te included), depth on the online, and a difference maker on defense (along with depth). I'd be ok with boldin being back.
I think if we draft a rb it will be a later round banger, but we may ignore the position to be honest. Zenner looked like he can bang it, and Washington looked good early. Riddick and Abdullah are great pass catchers, and AA can be a factor in the return game as well, freeing up a wr spot (unless you really like Roberts, is rather see some youth). I keep writing some of this and walking away so I feel like I'm rambling. Go lions!
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Receiving core in 2017 could look way different behind Tate, jones, and ebron. Boldin pondering retirement, moving on from Roberts, tj jones is a fa (I think), wouldn't blame him if he moved on after being the 5th wr with 4 on the roster. Let's say Abdullah/Washington are options on special teams (or hey, maybe let Tate return punts!) jace billingsly may be an option off psquad, still room for 1-2 wr and 1-2 backup te. There is certainly a role in this offense for another relevant player. I would love to see 2 years of desean Jackson here, but that may be too pricy. Marques Wilson would be a field stretching tall downfield target, kamar Aiken would be a boldin possession replacement. Perhaps they resign tj jones for that role as well. I don't see them using a premium pick on a wr or one of the talented tes at the top of a stacked te class. Perhaps a dark horse landing spot for Cory Davis if they do use an early pick. Could be bpa in rd 1.
Id like to see a vet te backup signing, maybe kick the tires on Julius (assuming he's a cap cut) or Vernon Davis.
I see an oline/defense heavy draft, meaning we likely roll the committee of rbs out again. Maybe use a mid round pick to add someone to pound it with zenner and Washington ends up on psquad or somewhere else. Try to fix the run game by adding oline talent.
Id like to see a vet te backup signing, maybe kick the tires on Julius (assuming he's a cap cut) or Vernon Davis.
I see an oline/defense heavy draft, meaning we likely roll the committee of rbs out again. Maybe use a mid round pick to add someone to pound it with zenner and Washington ends up on psquad or somewhere else. Try to fix the run game by adding oline talent.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Unrestricted Free Agents (20)
QB Dan Orlovsky (33 years old)
RB Joique Bell (30)
WR Anquan Boldin (36)
WR Andre Roberts (29)
TE Clay Harbor (29)
TE Matthew Mulligan (31)
TE Tim Wright (26)
OT Riley Reiff (28)
G Larry Warford (25)
G Garrett Reynolds (29)*
DE Devin Taylor (27)
DE Armonty Bryant (26)
DT Stefan Charles (28)
DT Tyrunn Walker (26)
LB Jonathan Bostic (25)
LB Josh Bynes (27)
CB Asa Jackson (27)
CB Crezdon Butler (29)
S Rafael Bush (29)
LS Don Muhlbach (35)
Restricted Free Agents (2)
RT Cornelius Lucas (25)
DT Khyri Thornton (27)
Exclusive-rights Free Agents (4)
WR TJ Jones (24)
DT Kerry Hyder (25)
LB Brandon Copeland (25)
The priorities, IMO, s/b Boldin, Roberts (to keep AA & Tate off KR/PR), Warford, Bush & Hyder. Let TJJ walk he's never been consistent.
Def want to see LB/OL/DB emphasized in the first two days. Keep building it from the inside out. Personally I'd wait a year to invest heavily in RB/WR but wouldn't be surprising if they decided to upgrade the latter.
The nice thing about the EE option is they don't need to decide until May - after FA signings & the draft.
QB Dan Orlovsky (33 years old)
RB Joique Bell (30)
WR Anquan Boldin (36)
WR Andre Roberts (29)
TE Clay Harbor (29)
TE Matthew Mulligan (31)
TE Tim Wright (26)
OT Riley Reiff (28)
G Larry Warford (25)
G Garrett Reynolds (29)*
DE Devin Taylor (27)
DE Armonty Bryant (26)
DT Stefan Charles (28)
DT Tyrunn Walker (26)
LB Jonathan Bostic (25)
LB Josh Bynes (27)
CB Asa Jackson (27)
CB Crezdon Butler (29)
S Rafael Bush (29)
LS Don Muhlbach (35)
Restricted Free Agents (2)
RT Cornelius Lucas (25)
DT Khyri Thornton (27)
Exclusive-rights Free Agents (4)
WR TJ Jones (24)
DT Kerry Hyder (25)
LB Brandon Copeland (25)
The priorities, IMO, s/b Boldin, Roberts (to keep AA & Tate off KR/PR), Warford, Bush & Hyder. Let TJJ walk he's never been consistent.
Def want to see LB/OL/DB emphasized in the first two days. Keep building it from the inside out. Personally I'd wait a year to invest heavily in RB/WR but wouldn't be surprising if they decided to upgrade the latter.
The nice thing about the EE option is they don't need to decide until May - after FA signings & the draft.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Amazing stat I read today:
In 16 games, Lions LBs failed to record a sack, forced fumble or interception.
That is astonishing lack of impact.
In 16 games, Lions LBs failed to record a sack, forced fumble or interception.
That is astonishing lack of impact.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
jabarony
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He's not gonna cost LT money.Yenrub said:
He was thoroughly mediocre at LT, marginally better at RT. That was the book on him coming out of college, perfectly competent OT but not good enough to be an elite blind side protector.
You don't want the Giants to sign him IMO.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
1 in 7 games (1 FF, 1 INT)bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
In 3 playoff games he had 1 FF and 0.5 sacks
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Players play better on better teams.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Very cool. Hit me up if you need advice. Do you like cocktails and nice food? Detroit food and drink scene is out of control right now.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hyder, Taylor, Ebron and Warford need to be back IMO. We don't have the talent to let any of them walk. Priorities need to be getting a legit deep threat at WR. Kenny Stills maybe? Need something at LG. Maybe they think someone can develop, but Laken looks like a total bust. The whole front 7 needs help. Ziggy, A'Shawn, Taylor and Hyder seem like the only guys we have that are worth building around. I am worried Levy just might be done. Kawann Short or Chandler Jones would be huge. There are also a lot of good corners/safeties out there. It wouldn't hurt to get one in FA. The good news about the draft is that it's loaded with defensive players so Detroit should get what they need.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
The LT free agent class is pretty weak, I see some team going after reiff as a LT. I don't blame him really, he has some experience, he is probably better than what some teams have, not a lot of standout LT in the draft, and he will make more money. Hopefully a nice chunk so we get a nice comp pick.
I don't see stills in our price range. We have some cap space I believe, so hopefully we can resign some of our needs and make one splash in fa then go after cheap guys. Draft bpa, even if it's a wr or te.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
So many cool new places that nobody can keep up unless you live down there. My bil and my cousin both have apartments in downtown now and its really amazing
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Orlovsky wait...eh, it was a run.
Rudock will be the #2 QB next year
Lions @ $32.8M in Cap space, 16th in the NFL
New scoreboards and other stuff - $100M renovation. Hard to believe this will be their 16th year at Ford Field.
Rudock will be the #2 QB next year
Lions @ $32.8M in Cap space, 16th in the NFL
New scoreboards and other stuff - $100M renovation. Hard to believe this will be their 16th year at Ford Field.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
No-brainer imo. Orlovsky was near the bottom when it comes to backups. Hopefully an upgrade is in the works, with Rudock as the #3 guy on the practice squad.
http://sidelionreport.com/2017/02/19/detroit-lions-dan-orlovsky-still-likely-sign-backup-2017/
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Staff was the only QB to take every snap last year, right? Meh, not much of a concern since he's had 99 straight starts. Just looked it up, 11th all-time, needs 11 more to move into 10th (Eli, Rivers & Ryan ahead of him on the active list.) If they all stay healthy for a couple more years, the top 4 active streaks could all be in the top 6 (Farve, Peyton.)
Looking at mocks it seems like edge rusher is the consensus at #21, the only question is which one. The Ebron decision is after FA & the drafts, though personally I'd rather see LB, OL & DB addressed before we look for a TE replacement.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
D Front 7 BPA for me, RB & OL in middle rounds and/or FA's. I think Quinn knows more than the last few guys making these decisions but things still have to fall your way.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Not sure how they handle FA, but they have enough money to make a couple splash moves. Looking at tackle options out there at tackle in the draft and FA makes it pretty clear we should brig Reiff back. I guess the same with Warford although he played his best football as a rookie.
Guys I like in the draft:
Reuben Foster (LB) from Bama .He is exactly the big, strong, athletic guy we need making plays at the 2nd level. Sounds like he will likely be gone, but he's got a shoulder injury that could cause his stock to cool.
Derrek Barnett (DE) is the rare college player with 3 years of high level play. Recording 9,10 and 13 sacks in his 3 season with the Vols. Add in another 52 tackles for loss and you get a really consistent player that showed the ability make plays in the backfield against the best competition in college football. Bama is the ultimate measuring stick, DB has played Bama 3 times and taken on several NFL players. Here is his stat line from those games: 11 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 2 sacks 1 interception, 1 forced fumble. For some reason the knock I have heard is that he will struggle to rush the passer in the NFL. That seems like a weird thing to say to about a DE that led the SEC in sacks. He would look great compliment to Ziggy. DB is less athletically gifted but bigger and stronger.
Budda Baker, is an undersized safety from Washington but what he lacks in size, he makes up for with short area bust, deep long speed, cover skills and the extra level athleticism to make big plays. When he finds a guy that needs tackling, he gets there so quickly that it seems to constantly catch ball carriers off guard. He seems to have the skills to be a very versatile DB, covering slot guys and playing CF. Budda has a guy that I have seen mocked as late as the 3rd round and as early as the top 20. His combine will really impact where he goes. He has gotten some Bob Sanders comparisons, but I don't think he's anywhere near as physical as Bob was which maybe will allow Budda to stay healthier. Budda is fun to watch fly around and make plays.
Jarrad Davis. See everything I said about Reueben Foster, but replace Bama with Florida and shoulder with ankle.
Karlos Henderson. WR from LA. Tech can add the speed that the Lions must get in the offseason. There was no deep threat and teams could crowd the Lions offense. Detroit desperately needs the element of speed to make space for Tate, Ameer, Ebron, and Riddick. Karlos is small burner but he has a outside WR mentality. The nice part is that besides the go routes that he runs with his blazing speed, he also excels at quick passes and beating defenders with the ball in his hand. We know how important that is for the Lions offense and how much they missed that when Theo and Ameer were both out. Could Karlos add a Tyreek Hill electricity to the Lions offense?
Guys I like in the draft:
Reuben Foster (LB) from Bama .He is exactly the big, strong, athletic guy we need making plays at the 2nd level. Sounds like he will likely be gone, but he's got a shoulder injury that could cause his stock to cool.
Derrek Barnett (DE) is the rare college player with 3 years of high level play. Recording 9,10 and 13 sacks in his 3 season with the Vols. Add in another 52 tackles for loss and you get a really consistent player that showed the ability make plays in the backfield against the best competition in college football. Bama is the ultimate measuring stick, DB has played Bama 3 times and taken on several NFL players. Here is his stat line from those games: 11 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 2 sacks 1 interception, 1 forced fumble. For some reason the knock I have heard is that he will struggle to rush the passer in the NFL. That seems like a weird thing to say to about a DE that led the SEC in sacks. He would look great compliment to Ziggy. DB is less athletically gifted but bigger and stronger.
Budda Baker, is an undersized safety from Washington but what he lacks in size, he makes up for with short area bust, deep long speed, cover skills and the extra level athleticism to make big plays. When he finds a guy that needs tackling, he gets there so quickly that it seems to constantly catch ball carriers off guard. He seems to have the skills to be a very versatile DB, covering slot guys and playing CF. Budda has a guy that I have seen mocked as late as the 3rd round and as early as the top 20. His combine will really impact where he goes. He has gotten some Bob Sanders comparisons, but I don't think he's anywhere near as physical as Bob was which maybe will allow Budda to stay healthier. Budda is fun to watch fly around and make plays.
Jarrad Davis. See everything I said about Reueben Foster, but replace Bama with Florida and shoulder with ankle.
Karlos Henderson. WR from LA. Tech can add the speed that the Lions must get in the offseason. There was no deep threat and teams could crowd the Lions offense. Detroit desperately needs the element of speed to make space for Tate, Ameer, Ebron, and Riddick. Karlos is small burner but he has a outside WR mentality. The nice part is that besides the go routes that he runs with his blazing speed, he also excels at quick passes and beating defenders with the ball in his hand. We know how important that is for the Lions offense and how much they missed that when Theo and Ameer were both out. Could Karlos add a Tyreek Hill electricity to the Lions offense?
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Jace billingsly looked pretty good last preseason. While I think he would be a decent add to the roster, I hope it's as wr4 or 5. We need an option in the red zone. With a very good te class maybe we find a guy later that would normally be drafted higher.
Didnt list any CBs or oline, could be some good options on the board when we pick.
Didnt list any CBs or oline, could be some good options on the board when we pick.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
OL draft is really weak so maybe mid to late round we go that direction. CB is really deep this draft and I would have no issue taking a CB in round 1 or 2. I don't know which CB though as I don't really have a guy I prefer. There's maybe 5 or 6 CBs worth a first round pick.Snorkelson said:
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I agree about the weak oline draft, which is why I think a tackle could trickle down to the 20s. Need talent everywhere so I hope Quinn goes bpa for the first couple rounds. Good draft to need defense.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yes, it would not bother me if they went almost all defense. They can get FA's to fill in on offense.Ilov80s said:
To steal a line from TDN's story on RBs, "Free agency also offers a few options, such as Latavius Murray, Eddie Lacy and LeGarrette Blount. Lions general manager Bob Quinn knows Blount well from his time in New England."
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
RB is a worthless position. There are so many good backs entering the league that there aren't enough spots for them. I feel bad for RBs.
