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2024 Detroit Lions 7-1: Lions "Whack the Pack" (41 Viewers)

Real game film does mean more than being a combine king. Go back to other combines and see where some of those workout warriors are working. If you can't find all of them, stop at your local Burger King.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d6wOZR2kLA
I think the combine is important thought for setting thresholds and validating what we see on film. Forget a guy like Obi. He's an all world athlete, but he doesn't look a very special player on the field.  This isn't about workout warriors, it's about a guy that really might now be able to run and jump with NFL WRs. 

 
Tabor seems to have good instincts and a good quick twitch reaction to plays. I do think that speeds up his game. The combine #s don't lie but neither does his film. Will his physical short comings be more exposed by the better athletes in the NFL? My guess is yes. 

 
Michael roberts would be a great late pick imo- can block and be a red zone factor. I would like Butt or Kittle as well (hold the jokes). Take 2 of them, why not? I also hope we take corn elder simply because of his name. Is that a nickname like HaHa (Dix)? Who names their kid corn? Its certainly not as good as 7.....
Nice call and I like the pick. 16 TDs last year.

 
Do't know much about the LB and TE, but they fill major needs so that is good. Maybin is Cameron Maybin's cousin and it sounds like he had been healthy, he could have been a top 5 LB in the draft. 

 
Do't know much about the LB and TE, but they fill major needs so that is good. Maybin is Cameron Maybin's cousin and it sounds like he had been healthy, he could have been a top 5 LB in the draft. 
I agree. Previous GMs seemed to want to pound a particular position in order to fix it with numbers of players and not by actual talent. This reduced our ability to fill holes on an annual basis. Quinn seems to know our exact weaknesses and clearly had a handful of players pegged in all of them. He'll miss on some but I like his technique.

 
A little surprised that Bucky Hodges is still out there, considering that his college production was pretty good and combine workout was insane.

Teams must hate his film and/or there must be character issues.

 
A little surprised that Bucky Hodges is still out there, considering that his college production was pretty good and combine workout was insane.

Teams must hate his film and/or there must be character issues.
all kinds of TEs going and Hodges slide continues.....must be something up with him. I mean Butt torn ACL goes before him

 
Golladay has a good catch rate as well, haven't looked up the hand measurements but Jack Kelly, lawyer, would want some pictures in sure. Let's bring in some peeps that can corral those rockets Stafford throws. 

 
I agree. Previous GMs seemed to want to pound a particular position in order to fix it with numbers of players and not by actual talent. This reduced our ability to fill holes on an annual basis. Quinn seems to know our exact weaknesses and clearly had a handful of players pegged in all of them. He'll miss on some but I like his technique.
Considering previous GM's include the likes of Millen, any GM is going to look like a genius.   

 
Get ready for the locals to blast the kayya pick. I can hear it now, "why did we waste a pick on a qb, we have rudock?"

For those that don't live in Michigan, there are a lot of Michigan fans that think Rudock should be starting, and that he's as good as Tom Brady. I actually heard a caller suggest we trade Stafford and tank the season to try to draft a new Qb. I don't think I've ever been as mad while driving a car, which is saying a lot. What's worse is the host (west side of the state show) goes on about how the guy is right. One of the first questions Quinn was asked when he got the job was "will we trade Stafford" and I swear he stifled a laugh. I may just turn the radio off Monday morning...

 
Get ready for the locals to blast the kayya pick. I can hear it now, "why did we waste a pick on a qb, we have rudock?"

For those that don't live in Michigan, there are a lot of Michigan fans that think Rudock should be starting, and that he's as good as Tom Brady. I actually heard a caller suggest we trade Stafford and tank the season to try to draft a new Qb. I don't think I've ever been as mad while driving a car, which is saying a lot. What's worse is the host (west side of the state show) goes on about how the guy is right. One of the first questions Quinn was asked when he got the job was "will we trade Stafford" and I swear he stifled a laugh. I may just turn the radio off Monday morning...
Kaaya was a great value pick and I liked it already. I am not a Rudock fan at all so I loved the pick even more. 

 
Kaaya was a great value pick and I liked it already. I am not a Rudock fan at all so I loved the pick even more. 
I agree, and I'll even give rudock some credit, but kayya was a great value and while rudock would be a serviceable backup kayya has the tools to develop into a starter. Always good to have a starting caliber qb as a backup. 

 
Overall I like this draft a lot, we addressed a lot of defensive needs while adding a couple big targets in the passing game. Golladay can get down the field and roberts can block and while he won't be streaking down the seams for 40 yds he should be able to get out 5-6 yds and box out. It's been awhile since we've had an impactful rookie 1st rd pick (suh). 

 
Overall I like this draft a lot, we addressed a lot of defensive needs while adding a couple big targets in the passing game. Golladay can get down the field and roberts can block and while he won't be streaking down the seams for 40 yds he should be able to get out 5-6 yds and box out. It's been awhile since we've had an impactful rookie 1st rd pick (suh). 
I think people's opinion of this draft will be largely determined by how they feel about the Tabor pick. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground. People either really like the pick or hate it. I like the pick a lot and I know I am in the minority. Personally, I agree strongly with Quinn when he says Tabor plays faster than his timed speed. He has great instincts and ball skills and I liked his closing speed.  His combine tells me he needs to hit the weights (bad high jump and low reps). His 40 time is concerning but his film trumps that for me. QBs had a QB rating of 41.2 when throwing Tabor's way and thats impressive in a conference like the SEC.

One thing that is very apparent: Quinn had a specific plan and stuck to it. Although Davis, Tabor, Reeves-Maybin, and Agnew have different skill levels, all of them have one thing in common...they made plays in college. This team severely lack playmakers in the back 7 and that seemed to be the most important thing that Quinn wanted to address. 

The Golloday and Roberts picks seem to target the weakness in scoring TDs in the red zone. 

The Tabor pick will determine how good the draft is imo. 

 
I agree with @Anthony Borbely except I would add Galladay as well. Most seemed to think Galladay was more of round 5 guy. If Galladay never develops into anything, that will be a pretty disappointing wasted of a pick. 

 
I agree with @Anthony Borbely except I would add Galladay as well. Most seemed to think Galladay was more of round 5 guy. If Galladay never develops into anything, that will be a pretty disappointing wasted of a pick. 
I didnt care for this pick either. I really wanted Godwin and had Tampa not taken him right before the Lions were on the clock, I have to wonder if the Lions would have picked him instead of trading back. 

 
I didnt care for this pick either. I really wanted Godwin and had Tampa not taken him right before the Lions were on the clock, I have to wonder if the Lions would have picked him instead of trading back. 
I do think the Lions got screwed in the 3rd. If you look, the drop in quality (especially at WR) happened right before their pick. 

 
Specific types of players, and maybe he reached on a few but that is ok with me, you have to do that sometimes. New England certainly has done that, and I kind of like the fact that we seem to have a good trade partner there. Roberts seemed to be drafted higher than I expected. He doesn't have to kill it on every down, he needs to block and post up on 5 yd patterns for first downs and in the redzone. I think he drafted guys that do certain things well, and will ask them to do those things. Sounds like  NE to me.

 
Specific types of players, and maybe he reached on a few but that is ok with me, you have to do that sometimes. New England certainly has done that, and I kind of like the fact that we seem to have a good trade partner there. Roberts seemed to be drafted higher than I expected. He doesn't have to kill it on every down, he needs to block and post up on 5 yd patterns for first downs and in the redzone. I think he drafted guys that do certain things well, and will ask them to do those things. Sounds like  NE to me.
Couldnt agree more. 

 
It might be just me, but I'm more forgiving on Golladay than Tabor. Sure, there's an incredible chance he would've been there in the 4th, so it becomes a question of hindsight guessing who you'd rather have (Hunt? Foreman? a DT?). Still, for me it helps that it was a round later, but I think it's primarily because he feels like a diamond in the rough. Or at least a solid contributor in a position that's... decent but needs a boost. Meanwhile, Tabor looks to be corner/nickel at 'best'.

Really there's a lot to love about Davis and Roberts on down. The questions are in the middle. Is Teez the first-rounder his build suggests or the Day 3 player his combine says? Is Golladay Boldin Jr. or a flier drafted in the 3rd? Is Reeves-Maybin the talent seen in his tape, or did the Lions again mistakenly pin hopes to a guy with an injury history (even if it is his shoulder)?

I'm curious with the lack of additions on RB and D-LIne (minus depth). But generally I'm pleased. Time will tell.

 
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I didnt care for this pick either. I really wanted Godwin and had Tampa not taken him right before the Lions were on the clock, I have to wonder if the Lions would have picked him instead of trading back. 
I would feel a lot better if they would have been able to land Godwin. The Galladay pick just didn't feel right. Would rather have had Josh Reynolds at that point. Time will tell.

 
I would feel a lot better if they would have been able to land Godwin. The Galladay pick just didn't feel right. Would rather have had Josh Reynolds at that point. Time will tell.
Reynolds definitely had more pre-draft hype. They look pretty similar. It really sucks we missed on Godwin. If he got him, this draft would look a lot different.

 
Tabor half glass optimism:

Josh Norman 40 = 4.66

Richard Sherman = 4.54

I'm  not saying he's capable of this but it can't  be ruled out either.

 
It might be just me, but I'm more forgiving on Golladay than Tabor. Sure, there's an incredible chance he would've been there in the 4th, so it becomes a question of hindsight guessing who you'd rather have (Hunt? Foreman? a DT?). Still, for me it helps that it was a round later, but I think it's primarily because he feels like a diamond in the rough. Or at least a solid contributor in a position that's... decent but needs a boost. Meanwhile, Tabor looks to be corner/nickel at 'best'.

Really there's a lot to love about Davis and Roberts on down. The questions are in the middle. Is Teez the first-rounder his build suggests or the Day 3 player his combine says? Is Golladay Boldin Jr. or a flier drafted in the 3rd? Is Reeves-Maybin the talent seen in his tape, or did the Lions again mistakenly pin hopes to a guy with an injury history (even if it is his shoulder)?

I'm curious with the lack of additions on RB and D-LIne (minus depth). But generally I'm pleased. Time will tell.
Pass rushers in the mid rounds didnt impress me much so I dont have a problem with the lack of additions there. Quinn signing 3 rotational DL in free agency suggested they might not take one early unless value was too good to pass up. 

Not sure about why no RBs were drafted but drafting a big WR and a big TE tells me big targets in the red zone was a top priority for Quinn. Roberts had 16 TDs and 80% of his catches were either for 1st downs or a TD. 

 
Tabor half glass optimism:

Josh Norman 40 = 4.66

Richard Sherman = 4.54

I'm  not saying he's capable of this but it can't  be ruled out either.
Sherman also was 6-3, had an average bench and was very strong in the vertical. Norman is the best comp here as Norman is about the same size, speed and low vertical. I think both play more of zone schemes as well. I'm feeling a little more comfortable with the pick after looking at Norman.

 
I really like Golladay's tape. I'll admit that I am not an accomplished enough watcher to properly factor in the quality of competition isssues, but his hand speed is striking and with the ball in the air he plays like his hair is on fire. If his physical and emotional talents can be channeled into NFL patterns and his hand speed an coordination aren't only a reflection of slower MAC defenders around him, he may be a game changer. 

 
What is Rotoworld bashing us for taking Davis for? "Another mediocre finish in the middle of the NFC north"? Weren't we in the playoffs last year? Yes it will be hard to pry 1st place from the packers, but the bears and vikes don't scare me. Tough schedule but we are on the upswing, and addressed major weaknesses in our defense while improving our oline through free agency. I'm sure we'd be primed to beat the packers if we took Cook. Davis will be a huge factor.

 
What is Rotoworld bashing us for taking Davis for? "Another mediocre finish in the middle of the NFC north"? Weren't we in the playoffs last year? Yes it will be hard to pry 1st place from the packers, but the bears and vikes don't scare me. Tough schedule but we are on the upswing, and addressed major weaknesses in our defense while improving our oline through free agency. I'm sure we'd be primed to beat the packers if we took Cook. Davis will be a huge factor.
I saw that this morning. Rotoworlds throwaway lines are hard to fathom at times. 

I like that we increased our athleticism and took playmakers in this draft. Davis of course has the athleticism, Tabor INTs, Roberts and Golliday the TDs in red zone. 

Im looking forward to seeing someone with the speed of Agnew potentially return kicks and punts for us. Feels like a long time since we had a speed freak in that positions. He was even a playmaker at CB in the division he played in. 

I like that Quinn has spent on positions that don't rotate out much - OL, WR, CB, MLB, QB and has seeked to find value and depth in areas where you can rotate personnel a lot more and play then more situationally - DL, RB etc etc. 

DE might have been a need but I don't think the chips fell the right way for one in this draft. LB was a bigger need and I'm happy adding CB depth and quality. 

The DL may lack pass rush stars but has at least some depth about it and some interesting players who have flashed some things in situational plays. Want to see what Bryant can do with a full pre season behind him and if he hopefully can stay on pitch. Same with Hyder if he can produce with a fully fit Ansah in tandem. Robinson with a year under his belt. We won't be an unstoppable force by any means on the DL but they could be respectable and do enough if we have improved in other areas where we have spent FA money and draft capital. 

Lastly, Abdullah showed flashes behind a dodgy line. If our line has improved as much as it should have with FA's and added experience for the younger guys, he could be legit good if he stays healthy. 

Wouldnt have minded picking up a short down, more physical back, however. Perine was still sitting there in the 4th I think, but maybe we can address this in FA

 
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Kaaya was a great value pick and I liked it already. I am not a Rudock fan at all so I loved the pick even more. 
Rudock will never be a starter in the NFL...but I like his upside better than Orlovsky.  I know that is not saying much.

Was surprised at some of the low grades the pundits gave the Lions draft. Pete Prisco gave it a D??

 
Todd McShay doesn't give out grades but he does choose one pick for each team that he liked the best.
 
His pick for the lions was Tabor, saying that he fits their defensive scheme.
 
 
Quinn was on 97.1 this morning with Stoney & Jamie....and even though he wouldn't explicitly talk about free agent players, there certainly seemed like an opened door to me.
Giants also showing interest, this would be the short yardage guy Lions need.

 

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