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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (8 Viewers)

Such a disappointing season. This whole mess with Rodgers basically running the team is a disaster. At this point I just want to get rid of all the GB has beens and start over again next year. Need to get a smart coach with some experience that doesn’t take any crap from his players. Mike Vrabel come to mind.
I doubt it would shock anyone to see the Jets go on a mini run and have to win a final regular season game to get the last wild card spot just to get smacked down in that game. I’m almost expecting it as that would be the most Jetsy thing that could happen
Like Vrabel but they absolutely can not hire yet another defensive minded coach.....must go offense for once

My metric to assess coaches/teams over a period is Conference Championship apearances. Not perfect by any means, but at that stage you're playing other elite teams and a single bounce can sometimes decide those games. If you're getting to that stage with any regularity you're doing a good job.

In the 2010s defensive coaches were actually dominating, especially with Super Bowl appearances and wins. You had Belichick, Carroll, Tomlin, Fox, Coughlin, Quinn... It was a decade of defensive coach dominance.

Things have changed now. No defensive coach has even appeared in an Conference Championship since 2020. Since 2019, you've had 2 total appearances (and losses) with Vrabel and McDermott. 2018 was the last time a defensive coach won a Conference Championship, Belichick's last Super Bowl. Offensive continuity has just become a lot more important than the fact that defensive coaches typically have more well rounded teams.
good stuff -

Not to mention all of the top defensive head coaches you listed had a top QB/offensive staff they assembled to develop QBs. Zero chance the Jets can hire a HC AND a top offensive staff to develop yet another young QB.
 
Such a disappointing season. This whole mess with Rodgers basically running the team is a disaster. At this point I just want to get rid of all the GB has beens and start over again next year. Need to get a smart coach with some experience that doesn’t take any crap from his players. Mike Vrabel come to mind.
I doubt it would shock anyone to see the Jets go on a mini run and have to win a final regular season game to get the last wild card spot just to get smacked down in that game. I’m almost expecting it as that would be the most Jetsy thing that could happen
Like Vrabel but they absolutely can not hire yet another defensive minded coach.....must go offense for once

My metric to assess coaches/teams over a period is Conference Championship apearances. Not perfect by any means, but at that stage you're playing other elite teams and a single bounce can sometimes decide those games. If you're getting to that stage with any regularity you're doing a good job.

In the 2010s defensive coaches were actually dominating, especially with Super Bowl appearances and wins. You had Belichick, Carroll, Tomlin, Fox, Coughlin, Quinn... It was a decade of defensive coach dominance.

Things have changed now. No defensive coach has even appeared in an Conference Championship since 2020. Since 2019, you've had 2 total appearances (and losses) with Vrabel and McDermott. 2018 was the last time a defensive coach won a Conference Championship, Belichick's last Super Bowl. Offensive continuity has just become a lot more important than the fact that defensive coaches typically have more well rounded teams.
good stuff -

Not to mention all of the top defensive head coaches you listed had a top QB/offensive staff they assembled to develop QBs. Zero chance the Jets can hire a HC AND a top offensive staff to develop yet another young QB.

Agreed. And given how poorly the Jets have developed QBs (which is an organisational issue beyond the HC), you've got to back to a offensive HC who can develop a relationship with the future QB. For whatever reason, defensive coaches are failing and I think because great OCs are being picked faster than ever. Look at Tampa which had a one year OC become a HC.
 
Such a disappointing season. This whole mess with Rodgers basically running the team is a disaster. At this point I just want to get rid of all the GB has beens and start over again next year. Need to get a smart coach with some experience that doesn’t take any crap from his players. Mike Vrabel come to mind.
I doubt it would shock anyone to see the Jets go on a mini run and have to win a final regular season game to get the last wild card spot just to get smacked down in that game. I’m almost expecting it as that would be the most Jetsy thing that could happen
Like Vrabel but they absolutely can not hire yet another defensive minded coach.....must go offense for once

My metric to assess coaches/teams over a period is Conference Championship apearances. Not perfect by any means, but at that stage you're playing other elite teams and a single bounce can sometimes decide those games. If you're getting to that stage with any regularity you're doing a good job.

In the 2010s defensive coaches were actually dominating, especially with Super Bowl appearances and wins. You had Belichick, Carroll, Tomlin, Fox, Coughlin, Quinn... It was a decade of defensive coach dominance.

Things have changed now. No defensive coach has even appeared in an Conference Championship since 2020. Since 2019, you've had 2 total appearances (and losses) with Vrabel and McDermott. 2018 was the last time a defensive coach won a Conference Championship, Belichick's last Super Bowl. Offensive continuity has just become a lot more important than the fact that defensive coaches typically have more well rounded teams.
good stuff -

Not to mention all of the top defensive head coaches you listed had a top QB/offensive staff they assembled to develop QBs. Zero chance the Jets can hire a HC AND a top offensive staff to develop yet another young QB.

Agreed. And given how poorly the Jets have developed QBs (which is an organisational issue beyond the HC), you've got to back to a offensive HC who can develop a relationship with the future QB. For whatever reason, defensive coaches are failing and I think because great OCs are being picked faster than ever. Look at Tampa which had a one year OC become a HC.
i am not a fan of the jets can’t develop qbs narrative. it’s that they have been consistent in drafting poorly, which includes qbs. sanchez was out of the league basically after the jets, he simply couldn’t play. hackenberg won’t be discussed. geno smith stunk and had to wait 7 years for seattle to become average after age 30. hack wilson simply can’t play. darnold is on his 4th team and throws a pick a game. if the team had even a modicum of decent scouting, maybe they’d find a qb at some point.
 
i am not a fan of the jets can’t develop qbs narrative. it’s that they have been consistent in drafting poorly, which includes qbs. sanchez was out of the league basically after the jets, he simply couldn’t play. hackenberg won’t be discussed. geno smith stunk and had to wait 7 years for seattle to become average after age 30. hack wilson simply can’t play. darnold is on his 4th team and throws a pick a game. if the team had even a modicum of decent scouting, maybe they’d find a qb at some point.
I think both can be true at the same time. I agree that the organization has continuously fallen in love with the wrong QB, but at the same time, they never have seemed to have the right infrastructure in place (like heaven forbid, a QB whisperer) to work with said QBs and develop them. So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As others have stated above, the ongoing focus on hiring defensive-minded coaches often exacerbates the situation, leaving the offense to conservative/unimaginative offensive coordinators. Would also love the cycle to be broken and bring in an offensive guru, but hard to see that happening under Woody.
 
I think we can all agree that if they find a way to lose this game its over - Im expecting as win but interested to see if they can blow them out like last time or if its closer with Maye. Also will be watching the Rodgers/Devante hook up to see if it was just rust last week. Finally Reddick's debut - he gets rewarded for sacks so expect to see him goin after the QB but what about the putrid running defense?
 
Looks like the corners are back but safeties are out and they're down to their 3rd string RG.

Honestly not even sure there's a point in watching anymore. This team needs to go 8-2 to make the playoffs and that isn't happening. Trying to find something else to do on Sunday afternoon.
 
Looks like the corners are back but safeties are out and they're down to their 3rd string RG.

Honestly not even sure there's a point in watching anymore. This team needs to go 8-2 to make the playoffs and that isn't happening. Trying to find something else to do on Sunday afternoon.
Fortunately most Sundays feature at least half a dozen actual relevant football games involving competent teams.
 
After this game the Jets will officially have the worst QB in the division. Wow - the Jets are always finding new ways to set the franchise back.

Hopefully the next rebuild has smart people in charge. Woody really needs to get this one right.
 
wonder what the long term plan for rodgers is at this point
He looks washed - combo of injuries, bad team and age - cant imagine Woody bringing this back for another run at this point
I was just looking, his cap number is 23 mill next year, with 49 mill in dead money. May as well run it back
Cant believe we are talking about next year already - but they may have no choice but to eat Rodgers contract. I highly doubt most GM/coaches that are solid would want to walk into a situation where Rodgers controls the team/owner.
 
Coaching (and organizational structure and culture) matters, the problem is this organization (aka owner) just cannot get it right time and time again. It will be a complete reset, but what are the odds they are going to get it right this time? Oh well, Lucy pulled back the football again, deja vu all over again lol.
At least it was a mercy kill, buried before November, whodathunk it?
 
Cant believe we are talking about next year already - but they may have no choice but to eat Rodgers contract. I highly doubt most GM/coaches that are solid would want to walk into a situation where Rodgers controls the team/owner.
There is always the possibility that Rodgers does the right thing and retires. That's probably unrealistic - and who can blame someone for not leaving money on the table - but if he continues to take a beating and keeps looking washed up, he may just say "I'm done", which would be ideal.

Unfortunately this team gave away two valuable draft picks on Reddick and Adams so the rebuild will take a while either way. With that cap hit let Tyrod Taylor be a bridge for Travis Jordan and/or whatever other QB they draft and suck up a terrible year. At least we'll know heading into the season how bad the team is and can just hope for the rebuild to work out this time.
 
Color me COMPLETELY shocked that this trashbag team didn't become an instant Super Bowl contender after adding Rodgers. I mean we have sooooooo much talent, a great environment, outstanding coaching and player development. Just needed the missing piece. If this team could win 7 with Zach++ at QB, what happens when you put AARON RODGERS back there? Playoffs????? Home playoff games????? Nope. WE'RE GONNA BE ONE OF THE TOP CONTENDERS IN THE AFC!!!!!!


God, what an utter through and through f'n joke. I swear this team needed to change its colors to blue and orange 2 decades ago. Complete circus.
Only saving grace is we're legitimately done before the end of October. It's better to have the band aid ripped off and fully crash and burn then linger in the purgatory of an 8-9 win still not good enough season, that would have only motivated all of these clowns to try to run it back and waste another season next year.

I know this thought process isn't popular with a lot here but seriously, lose every. single. game. the rest of the season. None of these games matter. None of the wins will mean anything except worse draft position and the potential of Woody doing something dumb again ie not fully gutting this organization and [once again] starting completely over.

There are no moral victories left for this **** team. Winning 6 games instead of 5 does nothing for the culture or whatever other nonsense people drone on about when they get on their high horse about 'muhhhhh you can't root for your team to lose!!!!' I can, I will and I am. For the 1000th time, until you bring in a competent coaching/GM combo and get the g-d QB right for the first time since Chad Pennington, you are going to keep chasing your tail and wasting our time. Just get nuked the rest of the year, obtain a high draft pick, and maybe maybe maybe maybe use some of that Woody charm/checkbook to entice an offensive coaching candidate here. I'm as disgusted as I am unsurprised.
 
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Cant believe we are talking about next year already - but they may have no choice but to eat Rodgers contract. I highly doubt most GM/coaches that are solid would want to walk into a situation where Rodgers controls the team/owner.
There is always the possibility that Rodgers does the right thing and retires. That's probably unrealistic - and who can blame someone for not leaving money on the table - but if he continues to take a beating and keeps looking washed up, he may just say "I'm done", which would be ideal.

Unfortunately this team gave away two valuable draft picks on Reddick and Adams so the rebuild will take a while either way. With that cap hit let Tyrod Taylor be a bridge for Travis Jordan and/or whatever other QB they draft and suck up a terrible year. At least we'll know heading into the season how bad the team is and can just hope for the rebuild to work out this time.
This will never, ever, ever happen, but I'd gut the whole team right now. Get as many picks back as you can for all of em. The Williams'. Overrated Sauce. Wilson. Breece. Adams. Reddick. Whoever. Reaccumulate as many picks as you can, and give a potential new GM hire enough ammo to entice him to come to this garbage situation and maybe save us. We hung our hats on the 'big 4' that Douglas drafted. How did that work out for us? We already missed our window to win with them while they were cheap. Too late now. Dump em and see if you can get a few 1st rounders back.

Yesterday featured Wash-Chi as the 'Romo and Nantz game' in the late afternoon window. Amazing what hitting on 2 young QBs does INSTANTLY for your franchise.
 
It really is just crazy. In the back my head....as a Jets fan.....you sort of knew that MAYBE this could somehow all blow up. But I never thought it would blow up like this.

Obviously everything has just broken wrong. The JJ injury....the Reddick holdout.....the Tyron Smith fall off the cliff....the DB injuries.....Rodgers being banged up and just generally playing like crap. Garrett Wilson giving up INT's off his chest on perfectly thrown balls.......ALL of those things happening together seemed literally impossible.

But the reality is that even with ALL those things happening.....this team is 4-3 if they have an NFL level kicker. Zuerlein's collapse is absolutely shocking. And he missed kicks in the pre-season, so its not like you couldn't see it coming. They had Seibert in camp and they couldn't pull the trigger. And its gonna cost everyone their jobs.

I'm not even angry though. I emotionally checked out on this team a long time ago. Just a cursed franchise that will never win.
 
This will never, ever, ever happen, but I'd gut the whole team right now.
I'm not even sure the league rules would allow them to trade Adams but flipping him and Reddick would be great.

I agree winning games now does nothing but hurt the team but unfortunately the team has enough talent and the schedule isn't all that daunting so they will (as usual) win meaningless games at the end of the season.
 
It really is just crazy. In the back my head....as a Jets fan.....you sort of knew that MAYBE this could somehow all blow up. But I never thought it would blow up like this.

Really? I’m not trying to be negative, but getting eight reasonably competitive games with our very aged quarterback who doesn’t seem as fitness a buff as Brady has been nothing short of a miracle, IMO. I mean, as soon as he went down with his injury, this was fated, brah. I could say tons about Adams and Reddick but the real issue is Johnson getting hurt and letting JFM and Huff walk.

The NFL moves fast and the Jets are in training camp still. They’re poorly coached and disciplined. They’re lucky they’re 2-6. They’re fifteenth in the conference and only twenty-ninth or thirtieth in the NFL. They’re competitively bad.
 
they are poorly coached, have a bad kicker, can’t stop the run, couldn’t rush the passer and are erratic on offense. basically, bad in all phases. 2-6 seems fair. 2-7 after houston.
It's something I made comments about right away during the 1st game where they just came across as amateurs coaching and I realize they were learning on the job
That's what it made it worse or appear obvious and the following weeks have gotten worse and worse

Have they ever relieved an interim coach of their duties? What happens after that?
 
I love(d) Chad Pennington but when he's the second best QB in team history that says a lot.

It's amazing that no matter what they try to do at QB over the last 25 years, it has never worked out.

Bring in a Veteran QB:

Brett Favre - this one worked out before he blew out his bicep - but he never wanted to be here and left for Minnesota asap;
Ryan Fitzpatrick - mixed results but ultimately he failed the team with the playoffs on the line and then fell apart in Year2;
Aaron Rodgers - :x

Use a Top 6 pick on a QB:

Mark Sanchez - early results were promising and then Rex Ryan HAD to win the Snoopy Bowl by leaving Sanchez in during the 4th Q of a preseason game
Sam Darnold - had some arm talent but poor decision making and being straddled with Adam Gase did him in
Zach Wilson - complete garbage and is now a third string QB

Take a QB in Round 2

Kellen Clemens :x
Geno Smith - 10 years later he's serviceable
Christian Hackenberg :x:x:x

Take a mid to late round flier at QB and Hope

Brooks Bollinger
Eric Ainge
Greg McElroy
Taj Boyd
Bryce Petty
James Morgan
Travis Jordan

That's a whole lot of ugly right there.
 
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It really is just crazy. In the back my head....as a Jets fan.....you sort of knew that MAYBE this could somehow all blow up. But I never thought it would blow up like this.

Really? I’m not trying to be negative, but getting eight reasonably competitive games with our very aged quarterback who doesn’t seem as fitness a buff as Brady has been nothing short of a miracle, IMO. I mean, as soon as he went down with his injury, this was fated, brah. I could say tons about Adams and Reddick but the real issue is Johnson getting hurt and letting JFM and Huff walk.

The NFL moves fast and the Jets are in training camp still. They’re poorly coached and disciplined. They’re lucky they’re 2-6. They’re fifteenth in the conference and only twenty-ninth or thirtieth in the NFL. They’re competitively bad.
Yea, this is why I can't get on board with the "If we had a real kicker we could be 4-3" logic. It doesn't work like that because there's other instances of games we would that would have lost if the team we played also had 'scenario X' as an alternative. This is a bad team and bad teams find a way to lose. Greg Zeurlein didn't allow the awful Pats O to walk right down the field and score a TD with a minute left in the game.
 
So where do they go from here?

They already tried literally everything

for HC - the young up and coming coordinator route, the veteran coach route, players coach, disciplinarian - really havent taken too many legit swings at offensive coaches so looking for that

GM - tried the capologist, the vet, recs from other consultants, from solid organizations

QBs - drafted, traded for and signed

All I see on Reddit is they are doomed as long as Woody is the owner. He's not going anywhere and quite frankly its an overrated statement - solid GM/HC/QB make a lot of owners better. Dolan was viewed as the worst owner in sports - now look at his teams.

Woody tried the short cut - it was quick, sexy and fun - but it was a colossal failure. Time to blow it up - dont let Rodgers hold the team hostage. Id tell him if he stays then he will help develop a new QB and sit for most of next year. If he wants to be traded or retire - thats fine.

He looks like toast and spent physically and mentally - guy played 20 seasons and the 2 with the Jets did him in.
 
Geno is better than Pennington by a lot. He’s better than serviceable.
While he was on the Jets? I 100% disagree with that.

No no no. Now. He’s actually quite good, IMO. He has secondary Next Gen stats that sort of point to it. Tight window throws, deeper accuracy, arm strength. He’s good.

But I said Pennington was the second best QB in TEAM history.

I'd also disagree that prime Smith (now) was better than prime Pennington but that's certainly more debatable.

Fun Fact, Chad Pennington's team (Jets/Dolphins) made the playoffs in every season where he did not miss a game that season.
 
This franchise's travails all start at the top - from ownership (Woody and Leon Hess before him) not surrounding themselves with the right GM/talent evaluators and head coach selections. JD has done some good things, but you absolutely have to get the QB right or everything else falls short. And for some reason they can't get that QB position right. One needs to look no farther than the Commanders and Texans, two teams that were languishing for years after they hit big on their QBs.
 
Geno is better than Pennington by a lot. He’s better than serviceable.
While he was on the Jets? I 100% disagree with that.

No no no. Now. He’s actually quite good, IMO. He has secondary Next Gen stats that sort of point to it. Tight window throws, deeper accuracy, arm strength. He’s good.

But I said Pennington was the second best QB in TEAM history.

I'd also disagree that prime Smith (now) was better than prime Pennington but that's certainly more debatable.

Fun Fact, Chad Pennington's team (Jets/Dolphins) made the playoffs in every season where he did not miss a game that season.

Fair enough. I was just saying it by way of being like “Geno turned out as least as good as fifth all-time.”

Namath
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Texans fan but lived in NYC for decade and best friend is Jets fan so watched many Jets games since mid 90s so can give some perspective from outside. I was hoping Jets would beat Pats so they'd be high and feel like they are on the right track for the game this Thursday. This game reminds me when Texans faced them last year. They had just lost Tank Dell and the Jets played the lets throw everything out with the kitchen sink and Zack played lose and can't get any worse I'll just play my game type attitude. The difference is Jets defense isn't as good and Texans didn't have Mixon but you know as a Jets fan they are king at pulling you back in right when the feeling is it's all over. I can easily see them winning 6-8 games they won't lose rest out and give their fans a top 3 pick.
I am kicking myself though few days ago Jets were favored for the Texans game. I got greedy and thought Jets would win and the spread would increase. If I had laid money now Texans are only favored by 1 - 1.5 depending on where could have hedged. Oh well. So as bad as Jets have played and their record the Texans are only favored by a point. I no doubt wouldn't be shocked Jets winning Thursday.
 
Geno is better than Pennington by a lot. He’s better than serviceable.
While he was on the Jets? I 100% disagree with that.

No no no. Now. He’s actually quite good, IMO. He has secondary Next Gen stats that sort of point to it. Tight window throws, deeper accuracy, arm strength. He’s good.

But I said Pennington was the second best QB in TEAM history.

I'd also disagree that prime Smith (now) was better than prime Pennington but that's certainly more debatable.

Fun Fact, Chad Pennington's team (Jets/Dolphins) made the playoffs in every season where he did not miss a game that season.

Fair enough. I was just saying it by way of being like “Geno turned out as least as good as fifth all-time.”

Namath
Pennington
Testaverde
Ken O’Brien
Geno
R. Todd

To be fair he was also one of the QBs in the long line of QBS the team did nothing to make it easier on him.

The locker room jaw breaking incident was one thing but they also took weapons away from him while developing.
 
I love(d) Chad Pennington but when he's the second best QB in team history that says a lot.

It's amazing that no matter what they try to do at QB over the last 25 years, it has never worked out.

Bring in a Veteran QB:

Brett Favre - this one worked out before he blew out his bicep - but he never wanted to be here and left for Minnesota asap;
Ryan Fitzpatrick - mixed results but ultimately he failed the team with the playoffs on the line and then fell apart in Year2;
Aaron Rodgers - :x

Use a Top 6 pick on a QB:

Mark Sanchez - early results were promising and then Rex Ryan HAD to win the Snoopy Bowl by leaving Sanchez in during the 4th Q of a preseason game
Sam Darnold - had some arm talent but poor decision making and being straddled with Adam Gase did him in
Zach Wilson - complete garbage and is now a third string QB

Take a QB in Round 2

Kellen Clemens :x
Geno Smith - 10 years later he's serviceable
Christian Hackenberg :x:x:x

Take a mid to late round flier at QB and Hope

Brooks Bollinger
Eric Ainge
Greg McElroy
Taj Boyd
Bryce Petty
James Morgan
Travis Jordan

That's a whole lot of ugly right there.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! If we go back a little farther it doesnt get much better...

Vinny who was a FA signing and possibly the best season a Jets QB has ever had

Neil O'Donnel - FA signing disaster

Glen Foley - awful

Browning Nagle - disaster - had Favre as #1 player on their board but couldnt figure out a way to trade up to get him

Boomer - Rodgers like in he was shot by the time he arrived

preceded by Kenny O who could be viewed as the best QB drafted and developed by the JEts - if he only had an OL!
 
One needs to look no farther than the Commanders and Texans, two teams that were languishing for years

until their owners relinquished control of each respective team.

So we got that hope.
Texans are a good example of how things can turn around with a bad owner - he literally had an unqualified pastor running the team. They then picked a solid HC and QB - bingo competitive. Of course fleecing the Browns but you get the point.
 
the issue with woody is not dissimilar to dolan. dolan failed to listen to the right people and perpetually hired the wrong people. a bad recipe. when he had walsh, he couldn’t resist. dolan has always left the rangers alone and they have had the right leadership, but dolan was always wanting to be friends with guys on the hoops side, like isaiah. he got lucky with rose, but has left him alone and seen results. woody listens to dummies who offer up john idzik. he listens to manning who offers up gase. woody just doesn’t have the right connection to figure this out. hard to believe joe douglas has gotten 6 years. like the mets, they need to pry an architect away from someone to build this because, let’s face it, this is a total tear down again of leadership, with some talent on board. but who wants to work for woody. he’s hired GMs and forced coaches on them and he’s hired coaches and forced GMs on them. i remember the gase reports to woody phase. this coaching staff was bottom 3 in the league in terms of ability. saleh simply hired friends. then they hired rodgers’ friends. saleh stunk, but in a way they were so weak, losing the d coordinator ulbrich weakened them even more. if downing is the guy behind hackett, think how bad this is, cause downing can’t even get plays in. you’d think he has a 2 point call ready during that 5 minute drive knowing they need it. another off season, another jet search to find the right GM who happens to know someone that knows woody who won’t know enough to figure out how this teams will soon approach 15 years without a playoff appearance. think about this, i have…..65 years and 7 home playoff games. 1 during the 2000s. total. yet this franchise acts as if it is a model of the league.
 

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