2025-26 NBA Thread: Chauncey Billups suddenly resigns to play minor-league baseball (13 Viewers)

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Can you win with Gafford/Claxton in complimentary roles, paid a fraction of, but not Sabonis in a primary role paid $46.5m/yr? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I don't think anyone is saying Sabonis isn't a solid player. He's just a clearly flawed player that's paid like a franchise building block that you're building your offense around.

Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

So...

Vuc expiring $20m/yr or Sabonis $46.5m/yr for the next 2 seasons beyond this one? Bulls have unsuccessfully tried to deal Vuc for years. There's little to no market for Sabonis and you'd be taking back bad contracts (and hope those contracts are shorter in duration than Sabonis).

 

[Juxtatarot]

I think they can get something for Sabonis although not a ton.

If he goes on the market it is going to be a fascinating watch to see what he returns. I think different teams around the league value someone like him far differently

Yeah, every team wants a unicorn center who can protect the rim, guard more than one position, shoot, facilitate, etc. but there are few of those guys. So which abilities is a team willing to sacrifice? If a team has good point of attack defenders, Sabonis can work IMO.

To what end? And if you have to surround him with dudes that can shoot and defend, why not just find a better center too? He's a good stats, bad team guy. A nice player to help you compete for a playoff spot but his shortcomings make it tough to win a playoff series.

But one of my points is that virtually all centers have shortcomings. Sabonis is nearly universally ranked in the top 10 in centers for a reason. Better centers than him are difficult to get. A team can prioritize getting a better defensive center but those available guys have their own warts. Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

Claxton, no, but Gafford was the starting center for the 2024 Mavs that made the finals. Last year Turner and Hartenstein were the starting centers. The year before that 100 year old Horford was the starting center for the champs. I think there are 20+ centers which could start on a finals team, some of whom Sabonis is unequivocally more talented than, but I don't see any world in which Sabonis could be part of a legitimate title contender because he can't shoot or defend.

I think this is an interesting conversation, so I'm not trying to be argumentative. It seems that your position is that, to be valuable, a center needs to either be good defensively (rebounding not included) or a good shooter. You don't think you're discounting other valuable traits like rebounding, interior scoring, passing, and screen setting?

 

[Juxtatarot]

Can you win with Gafford/Claxton in complimentary roles, paid a fraction of, but not Sabonis in a primary role paid $46.5m/yr? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I don't think anyone is saying Sabonis isn't a solid player. He's just a clearly flawed player that's paid like a franchise building block that you're building your offense around.

Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

So...

Vuc expiring $20m/yr or Sabonis $46.5m/yr for the next 2 seasons beyond this one? Bulls have unsuccessfully tried to deal Vuc for years. There's little to no market for Sabonis and you'd be taking back bad contracts (and hope those contracts are shorter in duration than Sabonis).

So, the salary matching works with two expiring contracts (Vuc and one of Zach Collins or Huerter) for Sabonis. I assume the Kings would require some draft compensation too. How much, who knows?

Kings would have to want to blow things up. Bulls would have to be having a successful season to want to shorten this retooling or whatever you want to call it. It's certainly questionable whether either of those things would happen.

However, if the stars aligned, there could be a deal to made there. Most internet Bulls fans would be against it as they see Sabonis as a younger, more expensive Vuc. I'm undecided assuming the draft compensation isn't bad. Bulls have a lot of cap space this offseason but I don't see any reasonable targets to spend it on.

 

[Kev4029]

I think they can get something for Sabonis although not a ton.

If he goes on the market it is going to be a fascinating watch to see what he returns. I think different teams around the league value someone like him far differently

Yeah, every team wants a unicorn center who can protect the rim, guard more than one position, shoot, facilitate, etc. but there are few of those guys. So which abilities is a team willing to sacrifice? If a team has good point of attack defenders, Sabonis can work IMO.

To what end? And if you have to surround him with dudes that can shoot and defend, why not just find a better center too? He's a good stats, bad team guy. A nice player to help you compete for a playoff spot but his shortcomings make it tough to win a playoff series.

But one of my points is that virtually all centers have shortcomings. Sabonis is nearly universally ranked in the top 10 in centers for a reason. Better centers than him are difficult to get. A team can prioritize getting a better defensive center but those available guys have their own warts. Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

Claxton, no, but Gafford was the starting center for the 2024 Mavs that made the finals. Last year Turner and Hartenstein were the starting centers. The year before that 100 year old Horford was the starting center for the champs. I think there are 20+ centers which could start on a finals team, some of whom Sabonis is unequivocally more talented than, but I don't see any world in which Sabonis could be part of a legitimate title contender because he can't shoot or defend.

I think this is an interesting conversation, so I'm not trying to be argumentative. It seems that your position is that, to be valuable, a center needs to either be good defensively (rebounding not included) or a good shooter. You don't think you're discounting other valuable traits like rebounding, interior scoring, passing, and screen setting?

I would say that to be especially valuable as a center you need to either be very good defensively or elite offensively. How many starting/closing centers in the last couple decades have won a title without being a top tier defender? Miami Shaq and Jokic?

I view what Sabonis is offensively as very good against poor competition and mediocre against good competition. If he could actually shoot, his offense wouldn't be as problematic in the playoffs. But with his shooting ability (or without the ability to be a top flight roll man in the PnR), with a even remotely ideal team around him, you are taking the ball out of the hands of better players to put the ball in Sabonis's hands because he can't really play off the ball.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

 

[Sammy3469]

I think they can get something for Sabonis although not a ton.

If he goes on the market it is going to be a fascinating watch to see what he returns. I think different teams around the league value someone like him far differently

Yeah, every team wants a unicorn center who can protect the rim, guard more than one position, shoot, facilitate, etc. but there are few of those guys. So which abilities is a team willing to sacrifice? If a team has good point of attack defenders, Sabonis can work IMO.

To what end? And if you have to surround him with dudes that can shoot and defend, why not just find a better center too? He's a good stats, bad team guy. A nice player to help you compete for a playoff spot but his shortcomings make it tough to win a playoff series.

But one of my points is that virtually all centers have shortcomings. Sabonis is nearly universally ranked in the top 10 in centers for a reason. Better centers than him are difficult to get. A team can prioritize getting a better defensive center but those available guys have their own warts. Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

Claxton, no, but Gafford was the starting center for the 2024 Mavs that made the finals. Last year Turner and Hartenstein were the starting centers. The year before that 100 year old Horford was the starting center for the champs. I think there are 20+ centers which could start on a finals team, some of whom Sabonis is unequivocally more talented than, but I don't see any world in which Sabonis could be part of a legitimate title contender because he can't shoot or defend.

I think the bigger issue is that with the evolution of the NBA over the past couple of years, he now has to be paired with a true defensive center for whatever team he's on, to hold up defensively as a whole. However, at his salary its very very if not impossible to build that team.

 

[Kev4029]

I think they can get something for Sabonis although not a ton.

If he goes on the market it is going to be a fascinating watch to see what he returns. I think different teams around the league value someone like him far differently

Yeah, every team wants a unicorn center who can protect the rim, guard more than one position, shoot, facilitate, etc. but there are few of those guys. So which abilities is a team willing to sacrifice? If a team has good point of attack defenders, Sabonis can work IMO.

To what end? And if you have to surround him with dudes that can shoot and defend, why not just find a better center too? He's a good stats, bad team guy. A nice player to help you compete for a playoff spot but his shortcomings make it tough to win a playoff series.

But one of my points is that virtually all centers have shortcomings. Sabonis is nearly universally ranked in the top 10 in centers for a reason. Better centers than him are difficult to get. A team can prioritize getting a better defensive center but those available guys have their own warts. Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

Claxton, no, but Gafford was the starting center for the 2024 Mavs that made the finals. Last year Turner and Hartenstein were the starting centers. The year before that 100 year old Horford was the starting center for the champs. I think there are 20+ centers which could start on a finals team, some of whom Sabonis is unequivocally more talented than, but I don't see any world in which Sabonis could be part of a legitimate title contender because he can't shoot or defend.

I think the bigger issue is that with the evolution of the NBA over the past couple of years, he now has to be paired with a true defensive center for whatever team he's on, to hold up defensively as a whole. However, at his salary its very very if not impossible to build that team.

And unless that center is Wemby or Turner (or a couple others), the team is going to be neutered offensively because Sabonis can't shoot.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

Are you souring on Duren?

 

[Yo Mama]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

Vucevic always made sense for them to me.

 

[Sammy3469]

I think they can get something for Sabonis although not a ton.

If he goes on the market it is going to be a fascinating watch to see what he returns. I think different teams around the league value someone like him far differently

Yeah, every team wants a unicorn center who can protect the rim, guard more than one position, shoot, facilitate, etc. but there are few of those guys. So which abilities is a team willing to sacrifice? If a team has good point of attack defenders, Sabonis can work IMO.

To what end? And if you have to surround him with dudes that can shoot and defend, why not just find a better center too? He's a good stats, bad team guy. A nice player to help you compete for a playoff spot but his shortcomings make it tough to win a playoff series.

But one of my points is that virtually all centers have shortcomings. Sabonis is nearly universally ranked in the top 10 in centers for a reason. Better centers than him are difficult to get. A team can prioritize getting a better defensive center but those available guys have their own warts. Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

Claxton, no, but Gafford was the starting center for the 2024 Mavs that made the finals. Last year Turner and Hartenstein were the starting centers. The year before that 100 year old Horford was the starting center for the champs. I think there are 20+ centers which could start on a finals team, some of whom Sabonis is unequivocally more talented than, but I don't see any world in which Sabonis could be part of a legitimate title contender because he can't shoot or defend.

I think the bigger issue is that with the evolution of the NBA over the past couple of years, he now has to be paired with a true defensive center for whatever team he's on, to hold up defensively as a whole. However, at his salary its very very if not impossible to build that team.

And unless that center is Wemby or Turner (or a couple others), the team is going to be neutered offensively because Sabonis can't shoot.

I think he can shoot, he just has zero gravity. Teams are much more worried about his offensive rebounding than defending an open 3. A lot of that is scheme, but there isn't much value across the league for a guy whose best skill is OReb without being the initiator or DReb without being able to hold up on the PnR.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Can you win with Gafford/Claxton in complimentary roles, paid a fraction of, but not Sabonis in a primary role paid $46.5m/yr? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I don't think anyone is saying Sabonis isn't a solid player. He's just a clearly flawed player that's paid like a franchise building block that you're building your offense around.

Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

So...

Vuc expiring $20m/yr or Sabonis $46.5m/yr for the next 2 seasons beyond this one? Bulls have unsuccessfully tried to deal Vuc for years. There's little to no market for Sabonis and you'd be taking back bad contracts (and hope those contracts are shorter in duration than Sabonis).

So, the salary matching works with two expiring contracts (Vuc and one of Zach Collins or Huerter) for Sabonis. I assume the Kings would require some draft compensation too. How much, who knows?

Kings would have to want to blow things up. Bulls would have to be having a successful season to want to shorten this retooling or whatever you want to call it. It's certainly questionable whether either of those things would happen.

However, if the stars aligned, there could be a deal to made there. Most internet Bulls fans would be against it as they see Sabonis as a younger, more expensive Vuc. I'm undecided assuming the draft compensation isn't bad. Bulls have a lot of cap space this offseason but I don't see any reasonable targets to spend it on.

It'd be such a Bulls thing to keep making moves with Kings I didn't mean at all for the Bulls to go get Sabonis. I like the progress the Bulls are making. Buzelis looks like a very good long term piece. I'm not the biggest Giddey fan but there's no disputing he is solid as a primary creator and he's still very young.

I'd much much prefer Vuc (who Bulls have had zero success moving with reasonable salary)....vs Sabonis. I don't think Sabonis has much of any trade value at all like the entire rest of the Kings roster. You're taking bad contracts back in a Sabonis deal. I don't even think Sabonis makes the Bulls better. Nor would I ever want him after seeing him curl up in a little ball vs Kevon FN Looney in the playoffs. Just embarrassing

 

[Juxtatarot]

Can you win with Gafford/Claxton in complimentary roles, paid a fraction of, but not Sabonis in a primary role paid $46.5m/yr? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I don't think anyone is saying Sabonis isn't a solid player. He's just a clearly flawed player that's paid like a franchise building block that you're building your offense around.

Can you win with a Gafford or a Claxton but not a Sabonis?

So...

Vuc expiring $20m/yr or Sabonis $46.5m/yr for the next 2 seasons beyond this one? Bulls have unsuccessfully tried to deal Vuc for years. There's little to no market for Sabonis and you'd be taking back bad contracts (and hope those contracts are shorter in duration than Sabonis).

So, the salary matching works with two expiring contracts (Vuc and one of Zach Collins or Huerter) for Sabonis. I assume the Kings would require some draft compensation too. How much, who knows?

Kings would have to want to blow things up. Bulls would have to be having a successful season to want to shorten this retooling or whatever you want to call it. It's certainly questionable whether either of those things would happen.

However, if the stars aligned, there could be a deal to made there. Most internet Bulls fans would be against it as they see Sabonis as a younger, more expensive Vuc. I'm undecided assuming the draft compensation isn't bad. Bulls have a lot of cap space this offseason but I don't see any reasonable targets to spend it on.

It'd be such a Bulls thing to keep making moves with Kings I didn't mean at all for the Bulls to go get Sabonis. I like the progress the Bulls are making. Buzelis looks like a very good long term piece. I'm not the biggest Giddey fan but there's no disputing he is solid as a primary creator and he's still very young.

I'd much much prefer Vuc (who Bulls have had zero success moving with reasonable salary)....vs Sabonis. I don't think Sabonis has much of any trade value at all like the entire rest of the Kings roster. You're taking bad contracts back in a Sabonis deal. I don't even think Sabonis makes the Bulls better. Nor would I ever want him after seeing him curl up in a little ball vs Kevon FN Looney in the playoffs. Just embarrassing

It’s going to be hard for the Bulls to break out of the play-in. Buzelis becoming a star seems to be their best hope. But at least there is hope!

 

[msudaisy26]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

Are you souring on Duren?

He can't spread the floor and you can't keep Duren, Thompson and Stewart on the same team and be serious. Two of them have to go.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

Vucevic always made sense for them to me.

Their timelines just never matched up. If Cade came into the league playing like last year or if he wants to be our version of Al Horford.

 

[Yo Mama]

Lakers in a tough spot tonight against the Blazers. Only 10 players available including their 2-way guys. Missing all their ball handlers besides Reaves, against a team that runs press more than any other team in the league. Going to have to look up the record for most turnovers in a game.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lakers in a tough spot tonight against the Blazers. Only 10 players available including their 2-way guys. Missing all their ball handlers besides Reaves, against a team that runs press more than any other team in the league. Going to have to look up the record for most turnovers in a game.

I think you are forgetting about Bronny!

 

[Major]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

You guys impressed me the other night in Houston. Cade is a stone cold killer.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am desperate for the Pistons to make some real noise in the playoffs and I feel like they are a big man that can shoot away from doing that in the East. I don't want them even sniffing around Sabonis.

You guys impressed me the other night in Houston. Cade is a stone cold killer.

He is, but we seen it last season in the playoffs. He needs help, the Knicks threw everything at him and made him very inefficient. If he had any help the Pistons win that series and Cade's numbers look even better.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Not if he was just a Face Card once.

do we know this to be true?

We don't know it really either way; just that the only allege incident in the indictment that Billups directly participated in was in 2019. Point 36 says it was numerous occasions where "Face Cards" were used in Rigged Games, but lumps Billups and Jones together as "Face Cards" and gives no dates to when they were Face Cards.

@Yo Mama made reference to it above, but between the two indictments, the Feds clearly think Billups was involved, but for whatever reason didn't think they could get a conviction (at this time) on the 2023 sports betting side, so went with poker allegation.

With all due respect, Chauncey needs to find a new lawyer.

Are you a Detroit or CU fan, by chance? Honestly just curious. I would throw Portland in there but not sure if they have a fan.

We're all Lakers' fans here.

I'm a Portland fan. Now.

Although I do feel bad for Chauncey. Poor guy.

 

[msudaisy26]

Watching Duncan Robinson and Isiah Stewart play at the same time for the Pistons and they aren't up or down 30 in the 4th quarter makes me sad.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Watching Duncan Robinson and Isiah Stewart play at the same time for the Pistons and they aren't up or down 30 in the 4th quarter makes me sad.

Well, it's time for them now.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Nets are 0-4. They will trade MPJ for 3 First Round picks. Then they will trade Cam Thomas for 2 First Round picks.

 

[the moops]

Nets are 0-4. They will trade MPJ for 3 First Round picks. Then they will trade Cam Thomas for 2 First Round picks.

 

[BassNBrew]

Emirates Cup???

Does this even make sense for them? Are there NBA fans sitting around thinking, you know, a trip to Dubai would be a great time.

 

[Frostillicus]

Emirates Cup???

Does this even make sense for them? Are there NBA fans sitting around thinking, you know, a trip to Dubai would be a great time.

Probably

 

[Capella]

Emirates Cup???

Does this even make sense for them? Are there NBA fans sitting around thinking, you know, a trip to Dubai would be a great time.

Lol I have multiple friends who have been to Dubai. Let’s just say I’ve never heard them complain.

 

[msudaisy26]

If the 76ers could trade Embiid, George and 75 percent of their fans this would be a fun team to root for.

 

[SWC]

the dubs game is starting after i am actually in bed typing this sorry i cannot stay up until i need to wake up to watch it take that to the bank brohans

 

[Gr00vus]

Seems like every guy who checks into the game for the Clippers I'm thinking "that guy's still in the league?"

 

[Navin Johnson]

the dubs game is starting after i am actually in bed typing this sorry i cannot stay up until i need to wake up to watch it take that to the bank brohans

I normally wake up and watch the end.

 

[thecatch]

Quite the drive to the basket.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Quite the drive to the basket.

I guess when the ball is spinning in his hand, it’s part of the gather? Maybe not. Regardless, being very generous, I’m still counting four steps. I’m just curious which step is the first one.

 

[Jayrod]

Quite the drive to the basket.

I guess when the ball is spinning in his hand, it’s part of the gather? Maybe not. Regardless, being very generous, I’m still counting four steps. I’m just curious which step is the first one.

I think once he is bringing the ball to his other hand you have the "gather" step completed (but there are 3 steps taken during this process). Even so, there are 3 steps AFTER that, so definitely a travel, even with a loose interpretation of "gather step".

 

[Navin Johnson]

Quite the drive to the basket.

I guess when the ball is spinning in his hand, it’s part of the gather? Maybe not. Regardless, being very generous, I’m still counting four steps. I’m just curious which step is the first one.

For me, the ball spiining is irrelevant. You can have a discontinued dribble with the ball spinning. If he gets that left foot down before the dribble is gathered it's clean. It's questionable but the slow mo makes it look even worse. They are taught to let the ants go ad get all the elephants. At first glance I thought it was a walk, but then stopping and starting it, he's pretty damn close to getting the left foot down.

 

[Gr00vus]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

 

[Yo Mama]

Reaves is having quite the start to the season. Lakers have already won the season series with the Wolves.

 

[Major]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

I really hate everything about his game. Seems like an entitled doosh as well.

 

[Major]

It's early but wtf is going on in Orlando? How can a team suddenly lose their ability to defend? kinda weird. Bane can't be that bad.

 

[SWC]

Quite the drive to the basket.

i see nothing wrong take that to the bank brohans

 

[SWC]

Reaves is having quite the start to the season. Lakers have already won the season series with the Wolves.

speculation i heard here in brewtown is that the lakers are feeding him to give him numbers so that they can trade him and if there is one thing i know it is that you should listen to the the drunk guys at the harp and shammy here in scanny take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Juxtatarot]

Obviously it's been a good start for the Bulls. Three wins against teams expected to be better than them (Pistons, Magic, Hawks) and one win against another expected play-in team (Kings). Going back to their good stretch at the end of last season, they are now 19-6 in their last 25 regular season games. Their good ending last year was largely discounted since many teams were tanking or resting players for the playoffs but I think it's hard to write this off at this point.

Their difficult schedule to start the season continues with two against the Knicks, then the 76ers, Bucks, Cavs, Spurs and Pistons. Maybe they lose most of these games. Who knows.

The biggest surprise so far is defense. They are fourth in defensive rating and first in opponents' 3 point shooting percentage at only 25.9%. Obviously that last stat can't hold but the Bulls were 2nd to only the Thunder last year so it's something they do well.

Offense should hopefully get a lift when Coby White, arguably their best offensive player, comes back. Matas Buzelis is so young but he has so much potential. It's all very exciting for a franchise that has been dragged through the mud these last few years.

 

[Sammy3469]

Reaves is having quite the start to the season. Lakers have already won the season series with the Wolves.

Weirdest stat line in awhile:

In Bronny James's 4:59 on the court last night, he ended up with the highest Laker +/- at +5. In those 4:59 the only stat he registered was a single solitary turnover and ended with the lowest BPM.

 

[Moe.]

Nikola Topic has testicular cancer, dude cannot catch a break. At his age you’d expect a full recovery but still scary with cancer.

 

[Jayrod]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

Heck no. Rudy Gobert has the worst hands.

My 15-yr old daughter could strip the ball from him. I've never seen a guy so big lose so many balls in traffic. He looks like he is playing with seal flippers instead of human hands.

 

[Gr00vus]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

Heck no. Rudy Gobert has the worst hands.

My 15-yr old daughter could strip the ball from him. I've never seen a guy so big lose so many balls in traffic. He looks like he is playing with seal flippers instead of human hands.

Fair, but Ayton has been doing a heck of a Gobert impersonation lately.

 

[nirad3]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

Heck no. Rudy Gobert has the worst hands.

My 15-yr old daughter could strip the ball from him. I've never seen a guy so big lose so many balls in traffic. He looks like he is playing with seal flippers instead of human hands.

Who was that center that the Lakers had back about 15-20 years ago that was supposed to be a major stud... but had the absolute tiniest hands? I'm sure I could Googlez...

 

[Gr00vus]

Reaves is having quite the start to the season. Lakers have already won the season series with the Wolves.

Shooting was off a bit but lots of positive impact in other ways last night. They're going to have to pay him.

 

[Gr00vus]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

Heck no. Rudy Gobert has the worst hands.

My 15-yr old daughter could strip the ball from him. I've never seen a guy so big lose so many balls in traffic. He looks like he is playing with seal flippers instead of human hands.

Who was that center that the Lakers had back about 15-20 years ago that was supposed to be a major stud... but had the absolute tiniest hands? I'm sure I could Googlez...

Elden Campbell?

 

[Yo Mama]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

Heck no. Rudy Gobert has the worst hands.

My 15-yr old daughter could strip the ball from him. I've never seen a guy so big lose so many balls in traffic. He looks like he is playing with seal flippers instead of human hands.

Who was that center that the Lakers had back about 15-20 years ago that was supposed to be a major stud... but had the absolute tiniest hands? I'm sure I could Googlez...

Elden Campbell?

Andrew Bynum?

 

[nirad3]

Ayton has the worst hands I've seen on an NBA player in a long time.

Heck no. Rudy Gobert has the worst hands.

My 15-yr old daughter could strip the ball from him. I've never seen a guy so big lose so many balls in traffic. He looks like he is playing with seal flippers instead of human hands.

Who was that center that the Lakers had back about 15-20 years ago that was supposed to be a major stud... but had the absolute tiniest hands? I'm sure I could Googlez...

Elden Campbell?

Andrew Bynum?

That's him. Yeah. Tiny hands.