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Pistons - need a legit number two behind Cade. Should be able to make a run to the conference finals as is.
Jalen Duren sure looks like he can be that guy. He's playing All-Star level ball right now. And now he's showing ball handling and shooting prowess. If he makes that mid ranger jumper and taking guys off the dribble a part of his regular game, he will be an All NBA player.

Maybe, all nba is kind of unrealistic right now, but he will get exposed in the playoffs. Really good teams with just pack the lane against the Pistons because they aren't a great 3 point shooting team. Less driving lanes for Cade, and less room for Duren to work.

The pick and roll worked for the Mavs a few years ago because they had shooters to go with Gafford and Lively and a secondary ball handler that could create shots. The Pistons don't... yet
 
Pistons - need a legit number two behind Cade. Should be able to make a run to the conference finals as is.
Jalen Duren sure looks like he can be that guy. He's playing All-Star level ball right now. And now he's showing ball handling and shooting prowess. If he makes that mid ranger jumper and taking guys off the dribble a part of his regular game, he will be an All NBA player.

I wanted to add a couple thoughts to my first reply.

I have been very stubborn about the Pistons not being able to win a title with Duren, Stewart and Thompson playing heavy minutes together and two out of the three had to go. I would like to amend that little.

Duren has absolutely without a doubt made it clear he is the one that should stay and be paid.

I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.

Exciting time to be a Piston fan. Fun fact the Pistons have made the conference finals every season they have had a 11 game win streak or higher. Let's keep that going.
 
Maybe, all nba is kind of unrealistic right now, but he will get exposed in the playoffs. Really good teams with just pack the lane against the Pistons because they aren't a great 3 point shooting team. Less driving lanes for Cade, and less room for Duren to work.
Yeah I did prefeace it with saying if he regularly can be scoring off the dribble and making jump shots. We have seen flashes of it but it's not a go part of his game yet, If it is, that will hurt teams attempts at packing the lane and force defenders to stick with him well outside the paint. His passing is devleoping too. For a 22 year old, his game is more refined right now than I would have ever imagined 2 years ago.
 
I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.
I get what you are saying about his shooting but I personally have a hard time thinking we want to move on from a 22 year old who is one of the 5 best athletes in the league and is putting himself in DPOTY conversation.
 
I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.
I get what you are saying about his shooting but I personally have a hard time thinking we want to move on from a 22 year old who is one of the 5 best athletes in the league and is putting himself in DPOTY conversation.

Yeah, but what do the TWolves or Jazz win win with Gobert? In today's NBA you can't have two starters that can't space the floor and win anything and the Pistons have 5 regulars that just can't shoot. Some of them have to go. Plus do you think Thompson is going to want to sign here long term and come off the bench? Being a good athlete doesn't make you a great basketball player.

Edit: look at guys like Tony Allen, Ben Simmons, etc. Teams would literally leave them wide open and play 5 on 4. You just can't win that way.
 
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SGA already has 9 games this season with 30 or more points in 30 minutes or less.

The NBA record for a full season is 11.
Time for SGA to up his game and set his sites on Mamu.

Sandro Mamukelashvili scored a career-high 34 points for the San Antonio Spurs in a March 2025 game against the New York Knicks. He achieved this historic performance by scoring 34 points in just 19 minutes, setting a new NBA record for most points scored in under 20 minutes.
I remember watching this game. The wildest part: his friend, Flavor Flav, was in attendance and celebrated with him by interrupting his post-game interview.
 
Utah - stay the course, but move Markennan
I know a team that would be a perfect fit for him.

I don't think he fits with the Pistons and Ainge sucks to deal with as a GM. Ainge's first offer would be Markennan for Cade straight up.

I would rather pay less for MPJ, or even Sabonis.
Why do you think Markkanen isn't a fit? I agree with some of the other stuff, I'm not sure it's worth giving up assets and paying him $200M over the next 4 years, but a 7-footer who can score from all over seems like a good fit to me. You know the NBA and the Pistons better than I do though so I'm curious on your thoughts.
 
Utah - stay the course, but move Markennan
I know a team that would be a perfect fit for him.

I don't think he fits with the Pistons and Ainge sucks to deal with as a GM. Ainge's first offer would be Markennan for Cade straight up.

I would rather pay less for MPJ, or even Sabonis.
Why do you think Markkanen isn't a fit? I agree with some of the other stuff, I'm not sure it's worth giving up assets and paying him $200M over the next 4 years, but a 7-footer who can score from all over seems like a good fit to me. You know the NBA and the Pistons better than I do though so I'm curious on your thoughts.

You put it pretty well. Dealing with Ainge sucks, there is a reason he hasn't been dealt yet. You can really only have three big contracts per team, unless your owner is willing to pay a massive luxury tax, Cade is worth every penny, Duren is about to get a large deal, and I don't want Markannen being the third one. He also has a reputation of being soft and is well below average defensively. Neither of those qualities fit into what the Pistons are building.
 
Last week of NBA Cup group play, with games Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday. Time to update the standings. I’m also listing the key remaining games for each group.

Reminder, tie breakers are record, head to head, then point differential.

East A
Tor 3-0, +53 - CLINCHED GROUP
Cle 2-1, +33
Atl 1-1, +8
Ind 0-2, -31
Was 0-2, -63

11/25 - Atl @ Was
11/28 - Cle @ Atl

Toronto won the group. Cleveland and Atlanta still alive for the wildcard (more on that in the next post).


East B
Det 2-0, +27
Orl 2-0, +20
Bkn 1-2, -17 (beat BOS)
Bos 1-2, -20
Phi 0-2, -10

11/25 - Orl @ Phi
11/26 - Det @ Bos
11/28 - Orl @ Det

Orlando at Detroit on the last day looks like the decider.


East C
Mil 2-0, +16
Mia 2-1, +46
NYK 1-1, -2 (beat Mia)
Chi 1-2, -42
Cha 0-2, -18

11/26 - NY @ Cha, Mil @ Mia
11/28 - Mil @ NY

Bucks still play at NY and Mia, so lots still up in the air here.


West A
OKC 2-0, +63
Pho 2-0, +23
Min 2-1 +53
Sac 0-2, -45
Uta 0-3, -94

11/26 - Min @ OKC, Pho @ Sac
11/28 - Pho @ OKC

Kings and Jazz propping the other three teams up in this group. Decent chance wild-card could come from here.


West B
LAL 2-0, +19
LAC 2-0, +2 (OT points don’t count for differential or points for)
Mem 1-1, +9
Dal 1-2, -11
NO 0-3, -19

11/25 - LAC @ LAL
11/26 - Mem @ NO
11/28 - Dal @ LAL, Mem @ LAC

Battle for LA on 11/25 looks huge here.


West C
Por 2-1, -18 (beat Den)
Den 2-1, +26
SAS 1-1, +10
Hou 1-2, +10
GS 1-2, -28

11/26 - Hou @ GS, SA @ Por
11/28 - SA @ Den

Denver needs Portland to lose to SA to have a chance at the group. Wonder what the odds were of Portland winning this group at the start of the season.
 
NBA Cup Playoff Standings

EAST
Group Leaders

A) Tor 3-0, +53 - CLINCHED GROUP
B) Det 2-0, +27 - @ Bos, vs Det
C) Mil 2-0, +16 - @ MIA, @ NY

Wild-Card
Orl 2-0, +20 - @ Phi, @ Det
Mia 2-1, +46 - vs Mil
Cle 2-1, +33 - @ Atl
Atl 1-1, +8 - @ Was, vs Cle
NYK 1-1, -2 - @ Cha, vs Mil


WEST
Group Leaders

A) OKC 2-0, +63 - vs Min, vs Pho
B) LAL 2-0, +19 - vs LAC, vs Dal
C) Por 2-1, -18 - vs SA

Wild-Card
Pho 2-0, +23 - @ Sac, @ OKC
LAC 2-0, +2 - @ LAL, vs Mem
Min 2-1 +53 - @ OKC
Den 2-1, +26 - vs SA
SAS 1-1, +10 - @ Por, @ Den
Mem 1-1, +9 - @ NO, @ LAC


I’m assuming it will take at least 3-1 to win the groups and make the wild-card. There’s probably some slim chances 2- loss teams are still in it, but I’m leaving them out.
 
My predictions (sure to be wrong):

East
1) Toronto vs 4) Cleveland
2) Detroit vs 3) Knicks

West
1) OKC vs 4) Denver
2) Lakers vs 3) Portland
 
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Basketball Reference has the MVP probability at 77.5% for Jokic, 20.6% for SGA and 1.9% for the field (#3 is technically Cade at 0.5%). Giannis would be competitive in the race if not for the fact that he has missed 5 games and his team sucks.

Side note - if Doc Rivers doesn't get fired this season, he'll move to #4 in games coached (2060 regular season) - notably passing George Karl, Larry Brown, and Jerry Sloan. He'll be behind only Gregg Popovich (2214), Don Nelson (2398), and Lenny Wilkens (2487). He'll need two more full seasons to pass Pop - what are the odds he gets that chance, noting that he is only 64 years old?
 
Basketball Reference has the MVP probability at 77.5% for Jokic, 20.6% for SGA and 1.9% for the field (#3 is technically Cade at 0.5%). Giannis would be competitive in the race if not for the fact that he has missed 5 games and his team sucks.

Side note - if Doc Rivers doesn't get fired this season, he'll move to #4 in games coached (2060 regular season) - notably passing George Karl, Larry Brown, and Jerry Sloan. He'll be behind only Gregg Popovich (2214), Don Nelson (2398), and Lenny Wilkens (2487). He'll need two more full seasons to pass Pop - what are the odds he gets that chance, noting that he is only 64 years old?
1.9% and the field contains Luka and Cade? Luka is basically averaging 34-9-9 on a contending team. I think that alone should merit a better than an implied 50-1 MVP shot.
 
Basketball Reference has the MVP probability at 77.5% for Jokic, 20.6% for SGA and 1.9% for the field (#3 is technically Cade at 0.5%). Giannis would be competitive in the race if not for the fact that he has missed 5 games and his team sucks.

Side note - if Doc Rivers doesn't get fired this season, he'll move to #4 in games coached (2060 regular season) - notably passing George Karl, Larry Brown, and Jerry Sloan. He'll be behind only Gregg Popovich (2214), Don Nelson (2398), and Lenny Wilkens (2487). He'll need two more full seasons to pass Pop - what are the odds he gets that chance, noting that he is only 64 years old?
1.9% and the field contains Luka and Cade? Luka is basically averaging 34-9-9 on a contending team. I think that alone should merit a better than an implied 50-1 MVP shot.
Their formula takes into account % of team games played, I think, which is part of the reason both him and Giannis aren't higher.

Statistically, even if Doncic and Giannis played the rest of their games, if Shai and Jokic keep this up, 50:1 for the field is too high.
 
Basketball Reference has the MVP probability at 77.5% for Jokic, 20.6% for SGA and 1.9% for the field (#3 is technically Cade at 0.5%). Giannis would be competitive in the race if not for the fact that he has missed 5 games and his team sucks.

Side note - if Doc Rivers doesn't get fired this season, he'll move to #4 in games coached (2060 regular season) - notably passing George Karl, Larry Brown, and Jerry Sloan. He'll be behind only Gregg Popovich (2214), Don Nelson (2398), and Lenny Wilkens (2487). He'll need two more full seasons to pass Pop - what are the odds he gets that chance, noting that he is only 64 years old?
1.9% and the field contains Luka and Cade? Luka is basically averaging 34-9-9 on a contending team. I think that alone should merit a better than an implied 50-1 MVP shot.
Their formula takes into account % of team games played, I think, which is part of the reason both him and Giannis aren't higher.

Statistically, even if Doncic and Giannis played the rest of their games, if Shai and Jokic keep this up, 50:1 for the field is too high.
Sure—but what are the odds that Jokic and Shai could miss some time? You think that’s better than 50-1?
 
Basketball Reference has the MVP probability at 77.5% for Jokic, 20.6% for SGA and 1.9% for the field (#3 is technically Cade at 0.5%). Giannis would be competitive in the race if not for the fact that he has missed 5 games and his team sucks.

Side note - if Doc Rivers doesn't get fired this season, he'll move to #4 in games coached (2060 regular season) - notably passing George Karl, Larry Brown, and Jerry Sloan. He'll be behind only Gregg Popovich (2214), Don Nelson (2398), and Lenny Wilkens (2487). He'll need two more full seasons to pass Pop - what are the odds he gets that chance, noting that he is only 64 years old?
1.9% and the field contains Luka and Cade? Luka is basically averaging 34-9-9 on a contending team. I think that alone should merit a better than an implied 50-1 MVP shot.
Their formula takes into account % of team games played, I think, which is part of the reason both him and Giannis aren't higher.

Statistically, even if Doncic and Giannis played the rest of their games, if Shai and Jokic keep this up, 50:1 for the field is too high.
Sure—but what are the odds that Jokic and Shai could miss some time? You think that’s better than 50-1?
It doesn't take that into account, it's strictly a statistical model based on what has happened vs previous MVP voting.
 
Basketball Reference has the MVP probability at 77.5% for Jokic, 20.6% for SGA and 1.9% for the field (#3 is technically Cade at 0.5%). Giannis would be competitive in the race if not for the fact that he has missed 5 games and his team sucks.

Side note - if Doc Rivers doesn't get fired this season, he'll move to #4 in games coached (2060 regular season) - notably passing George Karl, Larry Brown, and Jerry Sloan. He'll be behind only Gregg Popovich (2214), Don Nelson (2398), and Lenny Wilkens (2487). He'll need two more full seasons to pass Pop - what are the odds he gets that chance, noting that he is only 64 years old?
1.9% and the field contains Luka and Cade? Luka is basically averaging 34-9-9 on a contending team. I think that alone should merit a better than an implied 50-1 MVP shot.
Their formula takes into account % of team games played, I think, which is part of the reason both him and Giannis aren't higher.

Statistically, even if Doncic and Giannis played the rest of their games, if Shai and Jokic keep this up, 50:1 for the field is too high.
Sure—but what are the odds that Jokic and Shai could miss some time? You think that’s better than 50-1?
It doesn't take that into account, it's strictly a statistical model based on what has happened vs previous MVP voting.
I personally would not view that as being a good formula then. A formula that accounts for games played this early into the season, but that doesn’t take into account the potential for missed games moving forward? To put things in perspective—on the betting sites—Luka is considered the third most likely MVP candidate by most—and at 4-1. Cade’s rankings on the betting sites tends to be anywhere from 4th-6th—with Giannis and Maxey in some sort of order. If I had to choose an MVP at this point in the season—for me—it’s Shai and it’s not really close. To see how that team is dominating the NBA without having arguably their second best player is insane—and to think that many of his numbers are coming in 3 quarters of games. It’ll be fun to see how the season and the MVP race plays out.
 
Pistons - need a legit number two behind Cade. Should be able to make a run to the conference finals as is.
Jalen Duren sure looks like he can be that guy. He's playing All-Star level ball right now. And now he's showing ball handling and shooting prowess. If he makes that mid ranger jumper and taking guys off the dribble a part of his regular game, he will be an All NBA player.

I wanted to add a couple thoughts to my first reply.

I have been very stubborn about the Pistons not being able to win a title with Duren, Stewart and Thompson playing heavy minutes together and two out of the three had to go. I would like to amend that little.

Duren has absolutely without a doubt made it clear he is the one that should stay and be paid.

I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.

Exciting time to be a Piston fan. Fun fact the Pistons have made the conference finals every season they have had a 11 game win streak or higher. Let's keep that going.
I don't understand your hate for Stewart. He's shooting 40% from 3 this year, and is in the top 5 in the NBA in rim protection stats. He's also very switchable on defense.

He pretty much does everything well that you want a modern big man to do and on a very reasonable contract. The Pistons absolutely do not need to move on from him.
 
Pistons - need a legit number two behind Cade. Should be able to make a run to the conference finals as is.
Jalen Duren sure looks like he can be that guy. He's playing All-Star level ball right now. And now he's showing ball handling and shooting prowess. If he makes that mid ranger jumper and taking guys off the dribble a part of his regular game, he will be an All NBA player.

I wanted to add a couple thoughts to my first reply.

I have been very stubborn about the Pistons not being able to win a title with Duren, Stewart and Thompson playing heavy minutes together and two out of the three had to go. I would like to amend that little.

Duren has absolutely without a doubt made it clear he is the one that should stay and be paid.

I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.

Exciting time to be a Piston fan. Fun fact the Pistons have made the conference finals every season they have had a 11 game win streak or higher. Let's keep that going.
I don't understand your hate for Stewart. He's shooting 40% from 3 this year, and is in the top 5 in the NBA in rim protection stats. He's also very switchable on defense.

He pretty much does everything well that you want a modern big man to do and on a very reasonable contract. The Pistons absolutely do not need to move on from him.

He is overpaid, this is the first season he has even been decent at anything (and it is only 14 games in) and the only reason Piston fans like him is because they think he is tough because he tried to fight LeBron like 5 years ago. 15 million is an awful contract for a 3rd or 4th big. He rarely stays healthy, he has taken a whooping 20 total threes this year, and he is going into his 6th season and will be 26 at the end of the year. This isn't Duren coming on at age 22, this is a decent stretch for a bad player. Which is why you only quoted a small sample siz and as much as I love the start for the Pistons they have had a soft schedule, so he is playing slightly better than his norm against horrible teams.
 
Pistons - need a legit number two behind Cade. Should be able to make a run to the conference finals as is.
Jalen Duren sure looks like he can be that guy. He's playing All-Star level ball right now. And now he's showing ball handling and shooting prowess. If he makes that mid ranger jumper and taking guys off the dribble a part of his regular game, he will be an All NBA player.

I wanted to add a couple thoughts to my first reply.

I have been very stubborn about the Pistons not being able to win a title with Duren, Stewart and Thompson playing heavy minutes together and two out of the three had to go. I would like to amend that little.

Duren has absolutely without a doubt made it clear he is the one that should stay and be paid.

I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.

Exciting time to be a Piston fan. Fun fact the Pistons have made the conference finals every season they have had a 11 game win streak or higher. Let's keep that going.
I don't understand your hate for Stewart. He's shooting 40% from 3 this year, and is in the top 5 in the NBA in rim protection stats. He's also very switchable on defense.

He pretty much does everything well that you want a modern big man to do and on a very reasonable contract. The Pistons absolutely do not need to move on from him.

He is overpaid, this is the first season he has even been decent at anything (and it is only 14 games in) and the only reason Piston fans like him is because they think he is tough because he tried to fight LeBron like 5 years ago. 15 million is an awful contract for a 3rd or 4th big. He rarely stays healthy, he has taken a whooping 20 total threes this year, and he is going into his 6th season and will be 26 at the end of the year. This isn't Duren coming on at age 22, this is a decent stretch for a bad player. Which is why you only quoted a small sample siz and as much as I love the start for the Pistons they have had a soft schedule, so he is playing slightly better than his norm against horrible teams.
I'll give you the injuries, but he was elite at rim protection last year, too, and shot 38% from 3 on good volume two years ago. For some reason, they stopped him shooting 3s last year and his percentage dropped with the lower volume.

He's shooting 3 per game this year, which is plenty to be useful to the offense. I really don't get the hate.
 
Pistons - need a legit number two behind Cade. Should be able to make a run to the conference finals as is.
Jalen Duren sure looks like he can be that guy. He's playing All-Star level ball right now. And now he's showing ball handling and shooting prowess. If he makes that mid ranger jumper and taking guys off the dribble a part of his regular game, he will be an All NBA player.

I wanted to add a couple thoughts to my first reply.

I have been very stubborn about the Pistons not being able to win a title with Duren, Stewart and Thompson playing heavy minutes together and two out of the three had to go. I would like to amend that little.

Duren has absolutely without a doubt made it clear he is the one that should stay and be paid.

I am willing to let Thompson play out his rookie deal and develop his shooting, but he has to be at least a low 30's percent shooter to earn a new deal with this team. If he does that he could be this teams Andre Igoudala when he was with the Warriors. Beef Stew has to go unless he is willing to be the 4th big and take a pay cut and be around the the mid level exception when his contract runs out.

Exciting time to be a Piston fan. Fun fact the Pistons have made the conference finals every season they have had a 11 game win streak or higher. Let's keep that going.
I don't understand your hate for Stewart. He's shooting 40% from 3 this year, and is in the top 5 in the NBA in rim protection stats. He's also very switchable on defense.

He pretty much does everything well that you want a modern big man to do and on a very reasonable contract. The Pistons absolutely do not need to move on from him.

He is overpaid, this is the first season he has even been decent at anything (and it is only 14 games in) and the only reason Piston fans like him is because they think he is tough because he tried to fight LeBron like 5 years ago. 15 million is an awful contract for a 3rd or 4th big. He rarely stays healthy, he has taken a whooping 20 total threes this year, and he is going into his 6th season and will be 26 at the end of the year. This isn't Duren coming on at age 22, this is a decent stretch for a bad player. Which is why you only quoted a small sample siz and as much as I love the start for the Pistons they have had a soft schedule, so he is playing slightly better than his norm against horrible teams.
I'll give you the injuries, but he was elite at rim protection last year, too, and shot 38% from 3 on good volume two years ago. For some reason, they stopped him shooting 3s last year and his percentage dropped with the lower volume.

He's shooting 3 per game this year, which is plenty to be useful to the offense. I really don't get the hate.

My stats are off. I think they only showed November, but he averages 22 minutes a game. He is the 8th best player on a contending team. You can't pay that guy ten percent of cap, when he can't stay healthy, and his 38 percent three point shooting was in 46 games two years ago and his 40 percent this year is in 14 games. Other wise he is 32 percent on low volume.

The only thing that could change that is the owner willing to pay luxury tax as they compete.
 
Clippers have some of the worst transition D I’ve ever seen. Multiple times Lakers finished off a fast break with no Clipper visible on camera.
 

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