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2025 Cleveland Browns - WTF - “Quirky” Draft Completed (6 Viewers)

maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
I think a contract like this makes it near impossible to have a winning season unless Watson actually performs. I suppose you could always bring in a Flacco or an Andy Dalton and they may even get you to the playoffs, but a superbowl is likely off the table unless the rest of your lineup is so stacked they cannot fail.
Well, he sucks and is never going to perform.
So, we can either ride him out and suck for 5 years then rebuild, or do drastic things and start to rebuild in 2027.

Every option sucks, but I prefer the one that sucks for less time
 
maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
I think a contract like this makes it near impossible to have a winning season unless Watson actually performs. I suppose you could always bring in a Flacco or an Andy Dalton and they may even get you to the playoffs, but a superbowl is likely off the table unless the rest of your lineup is so stacked they cannot fail.
Well, he sucks and is never going to perform.
So, we can either ride him out and suck for 5 years then rebuild, or do drastic things and start to rebuild in 2027.

Every option sucks, but I prefer the one that sucks for less time
if hes this putrid, its only a matter of time til players start to ask to be traded. playing on a team that has no hope of playoffs for this long generally kills morale in the dressing room.

either way, giving up on Watson likely means admitting a mistake which the gm will rarely do. I think they need to fire him before the QB will go anywhere
 
If we cut Watson right now, what are the cap ramifications and for which years?
Not happening
I don't see the answer there
Correct. You need to create ~100m of cap space
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
believe it or not, this exact scenario is within the realm of possible outcomes.

trade every asset possible, fire everyone (except DePodesta, of course), live through cap hell for a few years while trying to rebuild in the draft.

it's legitimately one way out of the mess they're in.

the question is if Haslam is patient enough to go through this again.
 
maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
another scenario, which again, is unlikely, is that DTR, or some other rookie QB you acquire in the draft who is dirt cheap comes in and can actually play.

Watson is allowed to "work from home" with maybe a "shoulder injury."

they're still hamstrung with the cap to a degree, but maybe they can hold the roster together for a few more years (with bubble gum and bailing wire) and compete until they get Watson off the books.
 
regardless of what happens, overall the Browns need to start drafting better.

you can only manipulate the cap for so long before it all comes crashing down.
 
a third option, they keep running Watson out there until the contract is over, they hire a stop gap coach for the next two years and they draft the savior in 2026.

there's really no good options moving forwards.

they're losing the locker room and the players are just going to ride it out until they can leave.

only the most overpriced free agents will come to Cleveland.

basically the same **** we've seen for years and years.
 
maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
Keep starting Watson and we may be picking #1
 
maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
We won't have a winning season in 5 years regardless of what we do. It's the Browns and they are incapable of sustained success. Trading everyone at this point would be more of a gift to some of the guys who have road this out, Garrett mostly comes to mind. Trade him to a winner while he still has gas left in the tank and a shot at glory. It's never going to happen in CLE for him. As for the rest? I don't much care at this point but trading everyone isn't a particularly viable option. Totally a Browns thing to do though.
 
maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
Keep starting Watson and we may be picking #1
Can we even afford to sign the #1 pick??
 
maybe do a Brock Osweiller type thing? Deshaun and 3 1st round picks might entice someone.
I don't know if you've seen DeShaun play this year but Brock would be an upgrade...and we don't have three 1's
eventually the draft picks will be stockpiled
You're not familiar with the Cleveland Browns, are you?
Trade.........everyone.
2025 would be expansion year 1
Don't ever change, you're a treasure
Do you have a better suggestion as to a path for a winning season again in the next 5 years?
Keep starting Watson and we may be picking #1
Can we even afford to sign the #1 pick??
We can't afford parking in the Muni lot for the next two years
 
Makes me wonder if Winston is even worse than Watson. Why else would they co robin to start Watson. How about the 3rd stringer?
They don't want to admit they made the worst deal in the history of professional sports while also selling their soul to do it.
 
Stefanski press conference has been pushed back twice.

He's apparently never late for these.

Speculation is running wild.
 
Must've taken Haslam an hour to convince Stefanski to go to the presser and say they're not changing anything?

Seriously odd.
 
Can we even afford to sign the #1 pick??
Yes, signings are much different than keep vs cut those currently under contract. The reason we have so much cap space now and are projected for so little the next 2 years is almost everyone on the roster has veteran minimum base salaries with the remainder filled with bonuses that hit future years cap. There are only 3 on this year's roster with base salaries > minimum- Conklin, Newsome, and Moore- and that's probably because they will not be back next year.

Speaking of, next year- it'd cost more cap dollars to cut 12 of the top 14 paid players on the team than keep. The only 2 that would save money by firing are Conklin ($12m- he gone) and Njoku ($350K- pfft). The only situation in which a trade yields a different scenario is Newsome- his full cap hit can be removed if he's traded for pennies on the dollar. That leaves extension or restructure decisions with just Ward (gulp), Pocic (meh), and Watson (punch). Everyone else is already on or near the vet minimum base salary. Long-winded way of saying funding the draft class isn't the problem. All it'll take is a Conklin cut and Newsome trade to fund the draft class, even if we pick #1, and potentially just one or the other.

But that's not even the hard part. The hard part is we need these assets to command enough on the trade market to justify eating those extra $. Then find the space to eat those $. i.e. Myles Garrett will net the greatest return in assets, but he'd cost an extra $5.5m to trade vs just keeping on a roster that doesn't have much flexibility. We don't project to have that $ space right now. I get you want to expansion Browns version 3, but unfortunately pulling the plug ain't that simple even if the appetite is there, which we have reason to doubt is.
 
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up til this year, Cooper was a great player for the Browns.

no new contract, and suddenly he can't catch a cold.

surprised they were able to get a 3rd round pick for him.
 
up til this year, Cooper was a great player for the Browns.

no new contract, and suddenly he can't catch a cold.

surprised they were able to get a 3rd round pick for him.
He’ll put up big numbers in Buffalo. He should have had the long TD a couple of weeks ago that was called back by the BS holding. It was the best pass Watson made all year.
 
up til this year, Cooper was a great player for the Browns.

no new contract, and suddenly he can't catch a cold.

surprised they were able to get a 3rd round pick for him.
He’ll put up big numbers in Buffalo. He should have had the long TD a couple of weeks ago that was called back by the BS holding. It was the best pass Watson made all year.
I don’t know about big, but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he’s very productive in Buffalo.

Fresh starts have a way of improving player’s concentration.
 
up til this year, Cooper was a great player for the Browns.

no new contract, and suddenly he can't catch a cold.

surprised they were able to get a 3rd round pick for him.
He’ll put up big numbers in Buffalo. He should have had the long TD a couple of weeks ago that was called back by the BS holding. It was the best pass Watson made all year.
I don’t know about big, but I wouldn’t be shocked at all if he’s very productive in Buffalo.

Fresh starts have a way of improving player’s concentration.

Having a competent QB might help as well
 
"There's only one guy that's off limits for me when it comes to trading Browns, Rodney McLeod. He's are leading scorer." :lmao::lmao::lmao:

92.3 The Fan
 
Stadium will be moving from Cleveland to Brook Park. Bibb is live on a presser and is HOT. Must suck to be the Mayor who lost the Browns playing in downtown.
 
Stadium will be moving from Cleveland to Brook Park. Bibb is live on a presser and is HOT. Must suck to be the Mayor who lost the Browns playing in downtown.
Let me some up my feelings on this topic as succinctly as I can...meh.

Thank you for the time :thumbup:
 
Burrow has never beaten the Browns in Cleveland.
If I was a betting man...

Those bums aside, HOW ABOUT THOSE GUARDIANS!?!?!?!?!?!? Game for the ages
Entire city thought the season was over when the Yankees pulled ahead.

At 2-1, the Guardians are right back in this series.

Absolutely amazing.
As life long Cleveland fans, this doesn't happen to us, ever. LeBron being the exception. Incredible moment for the team and the city. The text chain I have with all my HS buds was going crazy.
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
I would like to see some honest proof of all this
If true, then why has the media not talked about this angle more and ease up on some of the dawg piling going on?

I'm not sure what relief you get from a fully guaranteed contract that changed the landscape of how Quarterbacks get paid
What role or where did the Browns get duped on exactly?
The fans are victims for sure but where is Jimmy Haslam the victim?
Why would the browns get any relief due to a QB achilles tear, what makes them dfferent from other teams?

-I'm also not real happy about this proposed new stadium away from Cleveland, didn't that city already suffer enough from the Baltimore Browns leaving town to the expansion team that has never been right since they first were awarded. They should never have named them the Browns, should have been a whole different mascot because it's a different team

I'm getting ready to hit the podium on them soon, don't try and stop me
:lol:
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
I would like to see some honest proof of all this
If true, then why has the media not talked about this angle more and ease up on some of the dawg piling going on?

I'm not sure what relief you get from a fully guaranteed contract that changed the landscape of how Quarterbacks get paid
What role or where did the Browns get duped on exactly?
The fans are victims for sure but where is Jimmy Haslam the victim?
Why would the browns get any relief due to a QB achilles tear, what makes them dfferent from other teams?

-I'm also not real happy about this proposed new stadium away from Cleveland, didn't that city already suffer enough from the Baltimore Browns leaving town to the expansion team that has never been right since they first were awarded. They should never have named them the Browns, should have been a whole different mascot because it's a different team

I'm getting ready to hit the podium on them soon, don't try and stop me :lol:
If it bleeds, it leads. There isn't money in talking pragmatic, only hot takes. And the Deshaun hate fuels eye balls.

Reference #1

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Reference #3

No doubt in my mind the Browns have insurance on this contract and that it contributed to them continuing to play him.

Let's talk stadium another day
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
I would like to see some honest proof of all this
If true, then why has the media not talked about this angle more and ease up on some of the dawg piling going on?

I'm not sure what relief you get from a fully guaranteed contract that changed the landscape of how Quarterbacks get paid
What role or where did the Browns get duped on exactly?
The fans are victims for sure but where is Jimmy Haslam the victim?
Why would the browns get any relief due to a QB achilles tear, what makes them dfferent from other teams?

-I'm also not real happy about this proposed new stadium away from Cleveland, didn't that city already suffer enough from the Baltimore Browns leaving town to the expansion team that has never been right since they first were awarded. They should never have named them the Browns, should have been a whole different mascot because it's a different team

I'm getting ready to hit the podium on them soon, don't try and stop me :lol:
If it bleeds, it leads. There isn't money in talking pragmatic, only hot takes. And the Deshaun hate fuels eye balls.

Reference #1

Reference #2

Reference #3

No doubt in my mind the Browns have insurance on this contract and that it contributed to them continuing to play him.

Let's talk stadium another day
Fair about the Stadium but all it tells me is what Jimmy Haslam is out, I don't think that has any impact on the salary cap and if it does then there needs to be a unified way of doing that
Burrow, Tua, and I keep going but you can't have a salary cap insurance policy for 1 team and it not be done for others

Do you understand my angle here? I don't care what Haslam is paying out or what Watson gets in his actual wallet, the contract was set up and applied to the salary cap, I don't think an insurance company can inject $50M into the salary cap for an injured player but maybe I'm wrong

It seems like it would fall under some code/Rule where it's not a level playing field for everyone
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
I would like to see some honest proof of all this
If true, then why has the media not talked about this angle more and ease up on some of the dawg piling going on?

I'm not sure what relief you get from a fully guaranteed contract that changed the landscape of how Quarterbacks get paid
What role or where did the Browns get duped on exactly?
The fans are victims for sure but where is Jimmy Haslam the victim?
Why would the browns get any relief due to a QB achilles tear, what makes them dfferent from other teams?

-I'm also not real happy about this proposed new stadium away from Cleveland, didn't that city already suffer enough from the Baltimore Browns leaving town to the expansion team that has never been right since they first were awarded. They should never have named them the Browns, should have been a whole different mascot because it's a different team

I'm getting ready to hit the podium on them soon, don't try and stop me :lol:
If it bleeds, it leads. There isn't money in talking pragmatic, only hot takes. And the Deshaun hate fuels eye balls.

Reference #1

Reference #2

Reference #3

No doubt in my mind the Browns have insurance on this contract and that it contributed to them continuing to play him.

Let's talk stadium another day
Fair about the Stadium but all it tells me is what Jimmy Haslam is out, I don't think that has any impact on the salary cap and if it does then there needs to be a unified way of doing that
Burrow, Tua, and I keep going but you can't have a salary cap insurance policy for 1 team and it not be done for others

Do you understand my angle here? I don't care what Haslam is paying out or what Watson gets in his actual wallet, the contract was set up and applied to the salary cap, I don't think an insurance company can inject $50M into the salary cap for an injured player but maybe I'm wrong

It seems like it would fall under some code/Rule where it's not a level playing field for everyone
Read the links
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
I would like to see some honest proof of all this
If true, then why has the media not talked about this angle more and ease up on some of the dawg piling going on?

I'm not sure what relief you get from a fully guaranteed contract that changed the landscape of how Quarterbacks get paid
What role or where did the Browns get duped on exactly?
The fans are victims for sure but where is Jimmy Haslam the victim?
Why would the browns get any relief due to a QB achilles tear, what makes them dfferent from other teams?

-I'm also not real happy about this proposed new stadium away from Cleveland, didn't that city already suffer enough from the Baltimore Browns leaving town to the expansion team that has never been right since they first were awarded. They should never have named them the Browns, should have been a whole different mascot because it's a different team

I'm getting ready to hit the podium on them soon, don't try and stop me :lol:
If it bleeds, it leads. There isn't money in talking pragmatic, only hot takes. And the Deshaun hate fuels eye balls.

Reference #1

Reference #2

Reference #3

No doubt in my mind the Browns have insurance on this contract and that it contributed to them continuing to play him.

Let's talk stadium another day
Fair about the Stadium but all it tells me is what Jimmy Haslam is out, I don't think that has any impact on the salary cap and if it does then there needs to be a unified way of doing that
Burrow, Tua, and I keep going but you can't have a salary cap insurance policy for 1 team and it not be done for others

Do you understand my angle here? I don't care what Haslam is paying out or what Watson gets in his actual wallet, the contract was set up and applied to the salary cap, I don't think an insurance company can inject $50M into the salary cap for an injured player but maybe I'm wrong

It seems like it would fall under some code/Rule where it's not a level playing field for everyone
Read the links
I did I did I did and it's all about insurance, it doesn't say anything about salary cap

If you ask most Bucs and Phins fans, I really don't care about salary cap but what you're suggesting has a lot of other questions that would need to be answered
And I don't understand why it makes you feel righteous for some reason...there still doesn't seem to be a lot of proof vs salary cap

And you didn't read what I wrote because I don't care what Haslam is out as an owner, that contract was set to follow the salary cap rules
Those things can shuffeled around, I understand

Bottom Line, $50M, $15M, it's not helping you all sign players right now and I really don't understand why you are digging in on this and acting like Watson's injury is no big deal
It's a major deal for a team that signed him to almost $250M guaranteed and SQUA-DOOSH to show for it
 
Per reference 2 (rule in place since 2006):

“ The CBA labels insurance proceeds as a "refund from the player," which qualifies the amount as a cap credit for the club for the following season. In the simplest terms, if a player who eats up a significant portion of a club's salary cap misses significant time with injury or illness, a club doesn't have to take it as a total loss, but can recover space for the following year. Plus, insurance premium payments don't count against the salary cap.”
 
oh, no, Watson got hurt, who could've seen this coming?

this is what they've been waiting for.

Stefanski did this to Mayfield in that Pittsburgh game, too.
 
Per reference 2 (rule in place since 2006):

“ The CBA labels insurance proceeds as a "refund from the player," which qualifies the amount as a cap credit for the club for the following season. In the simplest terms, if a player who eats up a significant portion of a club's salary cap misses significant time with injury or illness, a club doesn't have to take it as a total loss, but can recover space for the following year. Plus, insurance premium payments don't count against the salary cap.”
interesting.
 
Curious what if anything leaks, but Browns have insurance on the contract and are likely getting future salary cap relief because of it. Potentially a large chunk. This totally changes the complexion on the team's short term future.
I would like to see some honest proof of all this
If true, then why has the media not talked about this angle more and ease up on some of the dawg piling going on?

I'm not sure what relief you get from a fully guaranteed contract that changed the landscape of how Quarterbacks get paid
What role or where did the Browns get duped on exactly?
The fans are victims for sure but where is Jimmy Haslam the victim?
Why would the browns get any relief due to a QB achilles tear, what makes them dfferent from other teams?

-I'm also not real happy about this proposed new stadium away from Cleveland, didn't that city already suffer enough from the Baltimore Browns leaving town to the expansion team that has never been right since they first were awarded. They should never have named them the Browns, should have been a whole different mascot because it's a different team

I'm getting ready to hit the podium on them soon, don't try and stop me :lol:
If it bleeds, it leads. There isn't money in talking pragmatic, only hot takes. And the Deshaun hate fuels eye balls.

Reference #1

Reference #2

Reference #3

No doubt in my mind the Browns have insurance on this contract and that it contributed to them continuing to play him.

Let's talk stadium another day
Fair about the Stadium but all it tells me is what Jimmy Haslam is out, I don't think that has any impact on the salary cap and if it does then there needs to be a unified way of doing that
Burrow, Tua, and I keep going but you can't have a salary cap insurance policy for 1 team and it not be done for others

Do you understand my angle here? I don't care what Haslam is paying out or what Watson gets in his actual wallet, the contract was set up and applied to the salary cap, I don't think an insurance company can inject $50M into the salary cap for an injured player but maybe I'm wrong

It seems like it would fall under some code/Rule where it's not a level playing field for everyone
Read the links
I did I did I did and it's all about insurance, it doesn't say anything about salary cap

If you ask most Bucs and Phins fans, I really don't care about salary cap but what you're suggesting has a lot of other questions that would need to be answered
And I don't understand why it makes you feel righteous for some reason...there still doesn't seem to be a lot of proof vs salary cap

And you didn't read what I wrote because I don't care what Haslam is out as an owner, that contract was set to follow the salary cap rules
Those things can shuffeled around, I understand

Bottom Line, $50M, $15M, it's not helping you all sign players right now and I really don't understand why you are digging in on this and acting like Watson's injury is no big deal
It's a major deal for a team that signed him to almost $250M guaranteed and SQUA-DOOSH to show for it
...WAT
 
Official, torn achillies. Hope DW heals up and can resume his career. Probably not here but don't ever like to see a guy end it like this.
 

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