2025 College Football Thread: Notre Dame signed a guy (3 Viewers)

[kupcho1]

Kelly ran off to LSU because he didn't think he could win a championship at ND because of that.

Plus much less windy there, so fewer videographers are likely to die. Of course LSU won a national championship in 2019, more than 30 years after Notre Dame had last won it.
So yeah, maybe he just wanted to win.

Much like "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", academic standards is the last refuge of a loser.

 

[Chadstroma]

Kelly ran off to LSU because he didn't think he could win a championship at ND because of that.

Plus much less windy there, so fewer videographers are likely to die. Of course LSU won a national championship in 2019, more than 30 years after Notre Dame had last won it.
So yeah, maybe he just wanted to win.

Much like "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", academic standards is the last refuge of a loser.

I mean..
When you are in the SEC and don't require your players to be able to read, it does open the recruiting pool.

 

[Desert_Power]

I'll celebrate when the first football is kicked off. Until then, rename this the "Notre Dame signed a guy" thread and wake me up, when the summer ends

Recruitment stuff was a bit more interesting when you thought the guys would at least stick around a couple of years.

 

[bigbottom]

Oregon has a huge war chest. Along with Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio St and Penn St as some of the biggest money to throw around. Which is why it excites me that a school like ND which has much higher standards is still winning commitments.

Yeah lol. Stanford didn't have trouble getting high priority football recruits through admissions. Neither did Duke basketball. Notre Dame football for sure doesn't either.

I didn't mention those schools did I? Getting into Texas, Texas A&M and Ohio St is cake walk compared to ND and unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions.

Kelly ran off to LSU because he didn't think he could win a championship at ND because of that.

Are you asserting that Notre Dame doesn’t have lower admission standards for their football recruits than for their general student population?

 

[Instinctive]

Oregon has a huge war chest. Along with Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio St and Penn St as some of the biggest money to throw around. Which is why it excites me that a school like ND which has much higher standards is still winning commitments.

Yeah lol. Stanford didn't have trouble getting high priority football recruits through admissions. Neither did Duke basketball. Notre Dame football for sure doesn't either.

I didn't mention those schools did I? Getting into Texas, Texas A&M and Ohio St is cake walk compared to ND and unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions.

Kelly ran off to LSU because he didn't think he could win a championship at ND because of that.

Sure it doesn't. I have friends who were coaching there while I was coaching at Stanford. Believe what you want lol.

Notre Dame isn't losing out on high level recruits because of their grades.

ETA: I don't mean it never happens. I just mean it's the bottom 20% of total morons and a bunch of other schools can't get them either. Somewhere like Ole Miss probably can buy even an A&M...idk.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Oregon has a huge war chest. Along with Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio St and Penn St as some of the biggest money to throw around. Which is why it excites me that a school like ND which has much higher standards is still winning commitments.

Yeah lol. Stanford didn't have trouble getting high priority football recruits through admissions. Neither did Duke basketball. Notre Dame football for sure doesn't either.

I didn't mention those schools did I? Getting into Texas, Texas A&M and Ohio St is cake walk compared to ND and unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions.

Kelly ran off to LSU because he didn't think he could win a championship at ND because of that.

You really claiming every ND athlete is treated the same every other applicant in the admissions process?

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

 

[FDASv2.0]

:KobeSoft:

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE

 

[Joe Bryant]

I am going on just on things I've heard over the years, but I always assumed schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern etc all would have slightly lower standards for athletes than they would for their regular students.

But still significantly higher for athletes than other top schools had for their athletes.

In other words, a top recruit might qualify for Ohio State but not for Notre Dame.

But again, I don't know this.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I am going on just on things I've heard over the years, but I always assumed schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern etc all would have slightly lower standards for athletes than they would for their regular students.

But still significantly higher for athletes than other top schools had for their athletes.

In other words, a top recruit might qualify for Ohio State but not for Notre Dame.

But again, I don't know this.

UGA can recruit kids that Georgia Tech cannot. But Georgia Tech athletes get breaks that normal students do not get.

 

[bigbottom]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

 

[Chadstroma]

Does an athlete at ND get preferential treatment? Yes, they are not going to have to beat out your average person applying but they don't take average students either. They have standards that are well above your typical football powerhouses and the ones on the top of NIL money availability. This really isn't a debate. Anyone that tries to make it one is just not being serious.

Seriously.... you can't compare your average athlete at Oregon with your average athlete at ND academically.

 

[Chadstroma]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

 

[JohnnyU]

Does an athlete at ND get preferential treatment? Yes, they are not going to have to beat out your average person applying but they don't take average students either. They have standards that are well above your typical football powerhouses and the ones on the top of NIL money availability. This really isn't a debate. Anyone that tries to make it one is just not being serious.

Seriously.... you can't compare your average athlete at Oregon with your average athlete at ND academically.

Part of the reason why ND hasn’t been as much of a powerhouse in football like they were in the 60s, 70s, and part of the 80s, is the change to academic requirements for football in the early 90s. It put them at a disadvantage in recruiting.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I am going on just on things I've heard over the years, but I always assumed schools like Notre Dame, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Rice, Northwestern etc all would have slightly lower standards for athletes than they would for their regular students.

But still significantly higher for athletes than other top schools had for their athletes.

In other words, a top recruit might qualify for Ohio State but not for Notre Dame.

But again, I don't know this.

UGA can recruit kids that Georgia Tech cannot. But Georgia Tech athletes get breaks that normal students do not get.

Yes. That's always how I understood it to be.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What's the measurement for comparing admission standards of one school vs another school these days? Is it GPA? SAT scores? Reputation of the college?

 

[JohnnyU]

What's the measurement for comparing admission standards of one school vs another school these days? Is it GPA? SAT scores? Reputation of the college?

Both GPA and SAT, but more importantly maintaining a certain GPA. Places like ND is pretty darn strict.

 

[whoknew]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

 

[bigbottom]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

 

[JohnnyU]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

Notre Dame's football program is known for its high academic standards, which are on par with the rest of the university and are more rigorous than many other top-tier football programs. Unlike some schools that may relax academic requirements for athletes, Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body. This means recruits need strong GPAs, test scores, and a challenging high school curriculum to be admitted.

I suppose if you google individual schools you may notice some lesser standards given to athletes and compare to Notre Dame.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

What's the measurement for comparing admission standards of one school vs another school these days? Is it GPA? SAT scores? Reputation of the college?

Both GPA and SAT, but more importantly maintaining a certain GPA. Places like ND is pretty darn strict.

Are the universities self-reporting the numbers? To whom are they reporting the numbers to?

 

[JohnnyU]

What's the measurement for comparing admission standards of one school vs another school these days? Is it GPA? SAT scores? Reputation of the college?

Both GPA and SAT, but more importantly maintaining a certain GPA. Places like ND is pretty darn strict.

Are the universities self-reporting the numbers? To whom are they reporting the numbers to?

I'm sure they report to the NCAA what their requirements are for football players and what they actually are.

How good would Alabama Football be with Notre Dame’s academic requirements? Alabama has an acceptance rate of just over 50% of all applicants, while Notre Dame is one of the hardest colleges to get into with an acceptance rate of 17%. Keeping in mind Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body. This means recruits need strong GPAs, test scores, and a challenging high school curriculum to be admitted. This is definitely a factor that would have prevented many former Alabama football stars from ever attending the school if it had stricter academic requirements.

 

[whoknew]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

 

[JohnnyU]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

Like Tony Rice?

 

[JohnnyU]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

Like Tony Rice?

Tony Rice won a championship in 1988. ND raised the academic standards in the early 90s.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

Like Tony Rice?

Tony Rice won a championship in 1988. ND raised the academic standards in the early 90s.

How convenient. Have a great evening.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

There is a huge difference in athletes having to take and pass the same classes as everyone else and them being held to same admission standards. I don’t buy the admission standards one bit. But I 100% believe they don’t get free passes on curriculum.

 

[JohnnyU]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

Like Tony Rice?

Tony Rice won a championship in 1988. ND raised the academic standards in the early 90s.

How convenient. Have a great evening.

I'm just the messenger But I do remember when these standards increased in the 90s and I just kind of knew it would affect recruiting going forward and it did. I've been a ND fan most of my life.

 

[JohnnyU]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/415794-college-football-schools-can-offer-majors-in-nfl-studies

There's been a debate at Notre Dame about academic standards for the football program. Some think the South Bend school expects too much from its football applicants—others see no reason for lowering standards.

Things were different in 1988, the last year Notre Dame won a National Championship in football. Tony Rice, the leader of that team. was admitted as a Prop 48 case and overall academic standards were nothing like today.

The academic standards were lower for the entire student body back then. Notre Dame was known as pretty much just a football school.
In 1993, the last year the Irish made a serious attempt at the National Championship, changes were all ready in motion. Notre Dame wanted a new image. In 1993 regular students averaged 1220 on their SAT's, and the football team averaged 899.

On the way to becoming one of the finest academic institutions in the country, there was a buzz going around that it was too hard to recruit good athletes, and it was the reason the football program was entering into a state of mediocrity.

In 2004 Paul Hornung told a Detroit sports talk host he wanted to see Notre Dame lower standards to attract better athletes. Horning, one of the most famous players to ever don a golden helmet, got a lot of people to realize that the Irish might be under a disadvantage in recruiting.

But Notre Dame didn't want any part of Hornungs message. Today, the average student scores just under 1400 on the SAT, and the average football player scores 1025.

To give you an example why it might be more difficult for Notre Dame to recruit, just look at the University of Florida. The Gators, who won the National championship in 2008, were reported by the Atlanta Journal Constitution to have average SAT scores of 890, in a study released the same year. Florida's a great school, but they decided they wanted to have a larger sample of football prospects. Notre Dame has decided to keep their high standards and I applaud them. They may not win as many football games as they did in the Holtz era, but they are setting an example.

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[whoknew]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the article you just posted makes clear this is not the case.

Which is totally fine.

 

[JohnnyU]

This is where discussions can get off track.

It seems like there are really two questions/discussions.

1. Does Notre Dame have lower admission standards for athletes than they do for Notre Dame regular students?

2. Does Notre Dame have higher admission standards for athletes than other top schools have for their athletes?

It's possible the answer to both questions can be yes.

Exactly. And Chad appeared to say both things, which is why I asked for clarification.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true.

I have no doubt he’ll be along to clarify.

1) “ND has much higher standards” - likely true. Not just likely true. Absolutely true. Very few schools that are relevant in the football world have standards like ND. Stanford, as someone brought up, would be one. But Oregon? Texas A&M? Texas has higher standards but still not on the level of ND. We all know SEC schools aren't a discussion about academic standards.

2) “unlike some schools, ND doesn't lower it's standards for athletes, no exceptions” - would be surprised if true. No exceptions, meaning, they have their standards and if they can not meet them then they will not be in the school. Those minimum standards again are going to be well above what Oregon has. Now, does that mean the average football player has the same academic make up as the average student body? No. To get into ND is very competitive. The student body is fighting with 5 other applicants for that one spot that they will be accepting and thus needs to not just meet the min standards but beat out those other 5 other applicants. The football player doesn't have to beat anyone out for their acceptance outside of getting the athletic offer.

How do you know what ND's academic standards are for athletes and how they compare to other schools?

I think Notre Dame football players have to maintain a 2.0 GPA. Also, I’ve read that their curriculum requirements are generally tougher than a lot of other schools.

Information for Prospective Student-Athletes

Website for Academic Services for Student-Athletes at the University of Notre Dame

assa.nd.edu

Right. To be clear, I think ND is an excellent university that has rigorous academic standards. I also think it has lower admission standards for athletes than the student population at large (which I support). And I reckon that its athlete admission standards are on the high end of big college football programs.

What I don't think is they are some unique beacon of academic standards that floats above all the other schools. I think there are a number of schools that have similar academic standards for athletes.

One final thing - I don't really have any idea. It's just an educated guess. Because I don't actually know the requirements for ND athletes, nor any of the other schools.

Notre Dame maintains the same demanding criteria for its student-athletes as it does for the general student body.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, the article you just posted makes clear this is not the case.

Which is totally fine.

Yes, that may not be accurate about student athletes comparing the regular student body, but the fact does remain that in the 90s the academic standards were raised for the entire university, including student athletes, which in turn had an affect on recruiting. I knew it would happen too once that happened. I remember reading about it during that time.

 

[Chadstroma]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

 

[bigbottom]

So Notre Dame athletic admits average between 1000-1200 on the SAT and Oregon athletic admits average between 950-1150? That actually doesn’t seem like that big a difference.

It’s also notable that Notre Dame athletic admits appear to have a much bigger delta on SAT scores when compared to the general student population (~400 points) versus Oregon (~200 points).

I’m sure USC has a delta at least as big as ND.

 

[bagger]

This is a college football thread. Are we seriously running a black-sholes analysis on the mean difference of SAT and GPA scores?

When the ball is kicked off nobody cares. Let’s get it together everyone.

 

[bigbottom]

This is a college football thread. Are we seriously running a black-sholes analysis on the mean difference of SAT and GPA scores?

When the ball is kicked off nobody cares. Let’s get it together everyone.

Data is somewhat interesting but you are 100% correct. I couldn’t care less what Caleb Williams scored on the ACT. I was happy to steal him from OU, even if @Instinctive stuck us with their underperforming coach!

 

[Chadstroma]

@General Malaise since I know you were on the edge of your seat for this news....

Irish land WR Fitzgerald, son of ex-NFL star Larry

Devin Fitzgerald, a three-star wide receiver and the son of former NFL star Larry Fitzgerald, has committed to Notre Dame.

www.espn.co.uk

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Also, this thread lately reminds me of Mack Brown winning the national championship at Texas on the first Wednesday of February.

 

[Instinctive]

Admissions standards are directly related to how valuable a recruit the player is. What actually happens? I'll tell you how it worked ten years ago.

The staff literally talks to admissions, and they negotiate how low things can be vs how low others are. If they let someone in that was reeeeeeeeally below the bar that same season, it's harder to get another guy way below it. We'd make charts about how great most of the team is. Go to battle over how the last two they gave us turned out to be great students once supported by the team infrastructure to help them study and require them in class, etc.

We literally discussed with our counterparts, and ND gave them an easier time than Stanford did. I'd be surprised if, with more money on the line than ever, ND admissions were suddenly ironclad about this stuff. It's incredibly naive, no matter what they publicly say.

Fun story though - we lost a very tip top guy once because his academics were irredeemably poor, who was a lottery pick in the NBA a year later, because admissions refused to let him in. He went to Duke.

 

[Chadstroma]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

Sigh.

Apparently this concept is a hard one for some. Let me try one more time in another way.

My points that ND had academic standards that is applies no matter athletic or not. The wider student body is going to represent well above the minimum as they have a 12.4% acceptance rate which is roughly 1 out of every 8 kids that apply. I would venture a guess that I don't think is too wild to say that the vast majority of those who are applying for Notre Dame are going to be considered 'good students' but being an elite school, they are going to take the cream of the crop.

For athletics, those kids are not fighting for one out of every 8 applications like above. Notre Dame has self imposed higher standards and it will not compromise those standards. In comparison to a school like Oregon where 5 out of 6 that apply are going to get in and they are not exactly fighting against the best of the best students out there. For football, I would be shocked if they are worried about anything more than passing NCAA standards. I am sure the academic conversation from an SEC school or school like Oregon goes something along the lines of.... you have a 2.3 GPA, right? Great... you are in.

Yes, there are some athletes that if they had applied as a normal student would get beat out by other applicants and not gain entry. However, they have their standards of academics that they will not violate. At Notre Dame, the athletes must show that they are capable of earning a legitimate degree and they are expected to take a full academic load and they show this with a 93% graduation rate.

“We admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree.” — Rev. Edward A. Malloy, former Notre Dame president

It has been a widely accepted thing that Notre Dame has a harder road to a Natty because of their academics. I am really not sure why this is even a 'debate'.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

Sigh.

Apparently this concept is a hard one for some. Let me try one more time in another way.

My points that ND had academic standards that is applies no matter athletic or not. The wider student body is going to represent well above the minimum as they have a 12.4% acceptance rate which is roughly 1 out of every 8 kids that apply. I would venture a guess that I don't think is too wild to say that the vast majority of those who are applying for Notre Dame are going to be considered 'good students' but being an elite school, they are going to take the cream of the crop.

For athletics, those kids are not fighting for one out of every 8 applications like above. Notre Dame has self imposed higher standards and it will not compromise those standards. In comparison to a school like Oregon where 5 out of 6 that apply are going to get in and they are not exactly fighting against the best of the best students out there. For football, I would be shocked if they are worried about anything more than passing NCAA standards. I am sure the academic conversation from an SEC school or school like Oregon goes something along the lines of.... you have a 2.3 GPA, right? Great... you are in.

Yes, there are some athletes that if they had applied as a normal student would get beat out by other applicants and not gain entry. However, they have their standards of academics that they will not violate. At Notre Dame, the athletes must show that they are capable of earning a legitimate degree and they are expected to take a full academic load and they show this with a 93% graduation rate.

“We admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree.” — Rev. Edward A. Malloy, former Notre Dame president

It has been a widely accepted thing that Notre Dame has a harder road to a Natty because of their academics. I am really not sure why this is even a 'debate'.

Notre Dame is a better school than Oregon. I don't think you're breaking new ground here buddy. Water is wet.

The rest of this trying to lump athletes in is wishcasting bunk. You posted the numbers yourself that show this. Unless you think that extra 50 SAT points or 2 ACT points are the difference in being able to obtain or degree or not.

Do you have some links where ND has failed to admit a football recruit that was fully qualified by NCAA standards?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

Sigh.

Apparently this concept is a hard one for some. Let me try one more time in another way.

My points that ND had academic standards that is applies no matter athletic or not. The wider student body is going to represent well above the minimum as they have a 12.4% acceptance rate which is roughly 1 out of every 8 kids that apply. I would venture a guess that I don't think is too wild to say that the vast majority of those who are applying for Notre Dame are going to be considered 'good students' but being an elite school, they are going to take the cream of the crop.

For athletics, those kids are not fighting for one out of every 8 applications like above. Notre Dame has self imposed higher standards and it will not compromise those standards. In comparison to a school like Oregon where 5 out of 6 that apply are going to get in and they are not exactly fighting against the best of the best students out there. For football, I would be shocked if they are worried about anything more than passing NCAA standards. I am sure the academic conversation from an SEC school or school like Oregon goes something along the lines of.... you have a 2.3 GPA, right? Great... you are in.

Yes, there are some athletes that if they had applied as a normal student would get beat out by other applicants and not gain entry. However, they have their standards of academics that they will not violate. At Notre Dame, the athletes must show that they are capable of earning a legitimate degree and they are expected to take a full academic load and they show this with a 93% graduation rate.

“We admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree.” — Rev. Edward A. Malloy, former Notre Dame president

It has been a widely accepted thing that Notre Dame has a harder road to a Natty because of their academics. I am really not sure why this is even a 'debate'.

It seems this last sentence is really the key point of all this. Put another way , if life were fair, Notre Dame would win the national championship every year. The really cool part is that only reason they don’t win every year is because of how awesome they are in handicapping their own ability to succeed out of an incredible dedication to integrity that is unmatched in higher education.

 

[Chadstroma]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

Sigh.

Apparently this concept is a hard one for some. Let me try one more time in another way.

My points that ND had academic standards that is applies no matter athletic or not. The wider student body is going to represent well above the minimum as they have a 12.4% acceptance rate which is roughly 1 out of every 8 kids that apply. I would venture a guess that I don't think is too wild to say that the vast majority of those who are applying for Notre Dame are going to be considered 'good students' but being an elite school, they are going to take the cream of the crop.

For athletics, those kids are not fighting for one out of every 8 applications like above. Notre Dame has self imposed higher standards and it will not compromise those standards. In comparison to a school like Oregon where 5 out of 6 that apply are going to get in and they are not exactly fighting against the best of the best students out there. For football, I would be shocked if they are worried about anything more than passing NCAA standards. I am sure the academic conversation from an SEC school or school like Oregon goes something along the lines of.... you have a 2.3 GPA, right? Great... you are in.

Yes, there are some athletes that if they had applied as a normal student would get beat out by other applicants and not gain entry. However, they have their standards of academics that they will not violate. At Notre Dame, the athletes must show that they are capable of earning a legitimate degree and they are expected to take a full academic load and they show this with a 93% graduation rate.

“We admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree.” — Rev. Edward A. Malloy, former Notre Dame president

It has been a widely accepted thing that Notre Dame has a harder road to a Natty because of their academics. I am really not sure why this is even a 'debate'.

Notre Dame is a better school than Oregon. I don't think you're breaking new ground here buddy. Water is wet.

The rest of this trying to lump athletes in is wishcasting bunk. You posted the numbers yourself that show this. Unless you think that extra 50 SAT points or 2 ACT points are the difference in being able to obtain or degree or not.

Do you have some links where ND has failed to admit a football recruit that was fully qualified by NCAA standards?

Well... they would not exactly target a kid with a 2.9 GPA to begin with

 

[Chadstroma]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

Sigh.

Apparently this concept is a hard one for some. Let me try one more time in another way.

My points that ND had academic standards that is applies no matter athletic or not. The wider student body is going to represent well above the minimum as they have a 12.4% acceptance rate which is roughly 1 out of every 8 kids that apply. I would venture a guess that I don't think is too wild to say that the vast majority of those who are applying for Notre Dame are going to be considered 'good students' but being an elite school, they are going to take the cream of the crop.

For athletics, those kids are not fighting for one out of every 8 applications like above. Notre Dame has self imposed higher standards and it will not compromise those standards. In comparison to a school like Oregon where 5 out of 6 that apply are going to get in and they are not exactly fighting against the best of the best students out there. For football, I would be shocked if they are worried about anything more than passing NCAA standards. I am sure the academic conversation from an SEC school or school like Oregon goes something along the lines of.... you have a 2.3 GPA, right? Great... you are in.

Yes, there are some athletes that if they had applied as a normal student would get beat out by other applicants and not gain entry. However, they have their standards of academics that they will not violate. At Notre Dame, the athletes must show that they are capable of earning a legitimate degree and they are expected to take a full academic load and they show this with a 93% graduation rate.

“We admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree.” — Rev. Edward A. Malloy, former Notre Dame president

It has been a widely accepted thing that Notre Dame has a harder road to a Natty because of their academics. I am really not sure why this is even a 'debate'.

It seems this last sentence is really the key point of all this. Put another way , if life were fair, Notre Dame would win the national championship every year. The really cool part is that only reason they don’t win every year is because of how awesome they are in handicapping their own ability to succeed out of an incredible dedication to integrity that is unmatched in higher education.

This all started because I said I was excited that they were doing some awesome things in recruiting... I honestly have never expected them to make a top 3 recruiting class and happy with a consistent top 15 due to their academic standards which, yes, are self imposed and as a fan- I support. Yes, they have standards and they keep to them. Soooo.... (but raspberry)

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

AI is a useful tool.

what is the average gpa, sat/act scores and acceptance rate of notre dame vs university of oregon and then compare with athletics admissions as well

Here’s a comprehensive comparison of University of Notre Dame and University of Oregon, including both general and athletic admissions standards:

General Admissions Comparison​

Metric	Notre Dame	University of Oregon
Acceptance Rate	12.4% (highly selective)	85.1% (lightly selective)
Average GPA	4.13 (very competitive)	3.73 (A– average)
SAT Range (Middle 50%)	1440–1540	1150–1340
ACT Range (Middle 50%)	33–35	22–30
Test Policy	Test-optional	Test-optional

Athletic Admissions Comparison​

University of Oregon (NCAA Division I – Pac-12)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses)
• SAT/ACT: Not required for admission, but NCAA eligibility may require scores if GPA is borderline
• Admissions Flexibility: Recruited athletes may be admitted with lower GPAs or test scores than the general student body
• Support: Strong academic support system for athletes, including tutoring and advising
• Track & Field: Elite standards (e.g., 1600m in 4:05 for men, 4:50–5:10 for women)

University of Notre Dame (NCAA Division I – ACC)​

• Minimum GPA for NCAA eligibility: 2.3 (core courses), but Notre Dame typically expects much higher
• SAT/ACT: Optional, but athletes may be admitted with scores below the school average
• Admissions Flexibility: Athletes may have slightly lower academic stats, but Notre Dame maintains high academic integrity
• Support: Extensive academic resources, including mandatory study halls and advisors
• Football Example: In past years, average SAT for football recruits was around 1025, compared to 1450+ for general admits

Summary​

Category	Notre Dame (General)	Notre Dame (Athletes)	Oregon (General)	Oregon (Athletes)
GPA	4.13 avg	~3.3–3.7 (estimated)	3.73 avg	~2.8–3.5 (estimated)
SAT	1440–1540	~1000–1200 (varies by sport)	1150–1340	~950–1150 (varies)
ACT	33–35	~20–28 (varies)	22–30	~18–26 (varies)
Acceptance Rate	12.4%	Higher if recruited	85.1%	Higher if recruited

Would you like to explore specific recruiting standards for a sport you're interested in? I can help you find those benchmarks or even draft a recruiting email to a coach.

So ND students have much higher SATs than Oregon but athletes are just slightly higher. I think you just proved ND bends the standards for athletes a lot more than Oregon.

Based on that chart, I doubt there's a single kid Oregon can recruit that ND cannot. Perhaps 1 or 2 at most.

Sigh.

Apparently this concept is a hard one for some. Let me try one more time in another way.

My points that ND had academic standards that is applies no matter athletic or not. The wider student body is going to represent well above the minimum as they have a 12.4% acceptance rate which is roughly 1 out of every 8 kids that apply. I would venture a guess that I don't think is too wild to say that the vast majority of those who are applying for Notre Dame are going to be considered 'good students' but being an elite school, they are going to take the cream of the crop.

For athletics, those kids are not fighting for one out of every 8 applications like above. Notre Dame has self imposed higher standards and it will not compromise those standards. In comparison to a school like Oregon where 5 out of 6 that apply are going to get in and they are not exactly fighting against the best of the best students out there. For football, I would be shocked if they are worried about anything more than passing NCAA standards. I am sure the academic conversation from an SEC school or school like Oregon goes something along the lines of.... you have a 2.3 GPA, right? Great... you are in.

Yes, there are some athletes that if they had applied as a normal student would get beat out by other applicants and not gain entry. However, they have their standards of academics that they will not violate. At Notre Dame, the athletes must show that they are capable of earning a legitimate degree and they are expected to take a full academic load and they show this with a 93% graduation rate.

“We admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree.” — Rev. Edward A. Malloy, former Notre Dame president

It has been a widely accepted thing that Notre Dame has a harder road to a Natty because of their academics. I am really not sure why this is even a 'debate'.

Notre Dame is a better school than Oregon. I don't think you're breaking new ground here buddy. Water is wet.

The rest of this trying to lump athletes in is wishcasting bunk. You posted the numbers yourself that show this. Unless you think that extra 50 SAT points or 2 ACT points are the difference in being able to obtain or degree or not.

Do you have some links where ND has failed to admit a football recruit that was fully qualified by NCAA standards?

Well... they would not exactly target a kid with a 2.9 GPA to begin with

LOL oh okay

 

[Instinctive]

"capable of earning a legitimate degree" is just a lot lower bar than it's being made out to be, IMO.

This whole conversation is dumb to me. Idk if that's because I've actually done it and know how it works or because it's laughable how good ND marketing is that it's oh so difficult a school. Getting in is far harder than being there. Just like Stanford and Duke and Vandy and all the Ivies and all the other tough spots. If you put the top 50% of almost any college in the country into one of these schools to begin with, those students would all do just fine. The top 5-10%? They'd be fighting to be top of their class at ND too.

Biggest eye roll ever.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

I'll celebrate when the first football is kicked off. Until then, rename this the "Notre Dame signed a guy" thread and wake me up, when the summer ends

Recruitment stuff was a bit more interesting when you thought the guys would at least stick around a couple of years.

Yeah, now it's not "who did I get?", it's "who can I keep?" It just seems pointless.

 

[Instinctive]

I'll celebrate when the first football is kicked off. Until then, rename this the "Notre Dame signed a guy" thread and wake me up, when the summer ends

Recruitment stuff was a bit more interesting when you thought the guys would at least stick around a couple of years.

Yeah, now it's not "who did I get?", it's "who can I keep?" It just seems pointless.

I can't wait until they professionalize the conferences into a league and have a clear salary cap with standard contracts.

People can pay whatever they want booster wise on top of that but contracts that are real and limit the ridiculous amount of transfer movement would be so nice.

There are some cool ways to do it too. Promotion relegation, multiple tiers of league. Ways that if a higher tier wants the player transfer is ok, but there's no breaking a contract to go from Ohio St to Alabama.

And if you and the school will only commit to two years, then after two years move wherever you want.

 

[Chadstroma]

"capable of earning a legitimate degree" is just a lot lower bar than it's being made out to be, IMO.

This whole conversation is dumb to me. Idk if that's because I've actually done it and know how it works or because it's laughable how good ND marketing is that it's oh so difficult a school. Getting in is far harder than being there. Just like Stanford and Duke and Vandy and all the Ivies and all the other tough spots. If you put the top 50% of almost any college in the country into one of these schools to begin with, those students would all do just fine. The top 5-10%? They'd be fighting to be top of their class at ND too.

Biggest eye roll ever.

Yea... take an SEC football team, Oregon, Ohio St, transplant them at ND or Stanford or Northwestern. Then let's see how they do. I am not sure about Stanford and Northwestern but I know at ND they are required to take 12 units in fall while I know schools in the SEC (not sure all but I would bet that all do) allow for 9 units. I can't take anyone seriously who is going to make the argument that recruiting is the same among all D1 schools, thay admissions just let's whoever in and the student life rigor is the same among schools. That just isn't reality.

Even bigger eye roll.