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12 units is the lightest course load a student can take at the University of Oklahoma and be considered a full time student. Which you must be to maintain an academic or athletic scholarship. Which, by the way, as an alum of both that school and Stanford, I'd happily say is a significantly less elite university than ND or Stanford or Duke etc. I'd also say that I know plenty of people from ND and Stanford and Duke and Harvard etc that I think are definitely not any smarter or better at school than plenty of people at OU. Athletes included.Yea... take an SEC football team, Oregon, Ohio St, transplant them at ND or Stanford or Northwestern. Then let's see how they do. I am not sure about Stanford and Northwestern but I know at ND they are required to take 12 units in fall while I know schools in the SEC (not sure all but I would bet that all do) allow for 9 units. I can't take anyone seriously who is going to make the argument that recruiting is the same among all D1 schools, thay admissions just let's whoever in and the student life rigor is the same among schools. That just isn't reality."capable of earning a legitimate degree" is just a lot lower bar than it's being made out to be, IMO.
This whole conversation is dumb to me. Idk if that's because I've actually done it and know how it works or because it's laughable how good ND marketing is that it's oh so difficult a school. Getting in is far harder than being there. Just like Stanford and Duke and Vandy and all the Ivies and all the other tough spots. If you put the top 50% of almost any college in the country into one of these schools to begin with, those students would all do just fine. The top 5-10%? They'd be fighting to be top of their class at ND too.
Biggest eye roll ever.
Even bigger eye roll.
12 units is also a laughably light course load IMO. But over 8 years of graduate and undergraduate education I took 12 in a semester one time and never dropped below 18 otherwise. I took the 12 because I needed to study for the bar exam at the same time.
You're also making a straw man. Nobody said it's the same at all schools. Just that the differences aren't remotely as meaningful as the hyper ND stanning seems to believe.
I'm going to bow out. It feels like I'm having a discussion with people who don't know how elite schools work or why they are elite.
Feel free to have the last word.