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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (45 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Doesn't seem like there will be a lot of big signings IMO. Teams have gotten better about handling these situations more efficiently - either pony up or proactively trade for value, since the new asset becomes usable a year faster than waiting on the comp pick.
Seems like last year a lot of the expected UFA ended up resigning with their own team? I could be wrong but I've heard that on a few podcasts, just parroting without really looking into it.
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Mt. Man
Footballguy
I have to feel like it'll be a repeat of last year. Re-sign a handful of our own guys and maybe make a few minor splashes elsewhere.
We'll see, though. There are enough intriguing players out there that could improve the defense without making a huge $ splash. I'd expect them to have a firmer grasp on who their 2nd QB and K are this year, though naturally those aren't the exciting things to think about.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions have the 3rd most draft capital - project PFF WAR of each pick in a bar chart
Timo Riske
@PFF_Moo
After the latest trades, this is the new draft capital chart, with each individual pick visualized.
7:59 AM · Mar 13, 2023
Timo Riske
@PFF_Moo
After the latest trades, this is the new draft capital chart, with each individual pick visualized.
7:59 AM · Mar 13, 2023
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jake Moody does things to increase my heart rate (in a good way.)
Couple traits guys I would like to see us nab in the 6th round are Aidan O'Connell and Clayton Tune. Both are 6'3", Tune has a sturdier frame. Do a good job with their development and you could turn it into draft capital in 2-3 years. Any Day 3 QB is going to have limitations, the odds of finding the next Brock Purdy are absurdly long.
Max Duggan doesn't have NFL size but he is younger (a lot of the project QBs are 24+) and he's a great athlete. We're very used to athletes specializing early on and getting on travel teams, attending offseason camps, etc. Duggan played 4 sports in h.s. (Council Bluffs, IA) and went to his first QB camp a year ago - would be getting a blank slate essentially.
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Since the Lions team captaincy, a few guys voted to be the leader by their teammates to look out for in the draft:
- Day 1: QB CJ Stroud, QB Will Levis, ED Nolan Smith, LB Trenton Simpson (interestingly, none of the Top 5-6 Corners)
- Day 2: LB Jack Campbell, ED BJ Ojulari, ED Tuli Tuipulotu, G Steve Avila, ED Adetomiwa Adebawore, S Sydney Brown, DI Keeanu Benton, S Jordan Battle, CB Garrett Williams, WR Michael Wilson, CB Riley Moss, WR Tank Dell.
- Day 3: S Ji'Ayir Brown, OLB Dorian Williams, DI Jerrod Clark, QB Clayton Tune, TE Josh Whyle.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@TomPelissero
The #Lions are re-signing DL Isaiah Buggs to a two-year deal worth up to $6 million, per source.
10:15 AM · Mar 13, 2023 from Plymouth, MN
The #Lions are re-signing DL Isaiah Buggs to a two-year deal worth up to $6 million, per source.
10:15 AM · Mar 13, 2023 from Plymouth, MN
Foosball God
Foos
Good depth signing for a decent cost. I like it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
RB Craig Reynolds resigned
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Lions made their first splash signing Free agent CB Cam Sutton 3-year $33M deal, per
@RapSheet
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This was a popular prediction, fits the Holmes model of plugging in relatively affordable starters. Played outside last year after spending several years in the Slot. Good versatility but doesn't really impact their need for a 1st round CB in the draft.
@RapSheet
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This was a popular prediction, fits the Holmes model of plugging in relatively affordable starters. Played outside last year after spending several years in the Slot. Good versatility but doesn't really impact their need for a 1st round CB in the draft.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Steelers fans I know are not happy. Usually a good sign
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He's in a nice quadrant here:
Cornerback receiving yards allowed vs Incompletions forced, 2022
PFF overall grade last year was 72.2, which made him the third best CB in the FA market. 73.6 v run, 71.0 coverage grade.
5'11" / 188
4.52 40
mid-3rd round pick who was expected to be average and turned out to be a hit
it's a nice signing, he'll def contribute and is a massive upgrade over the guys who took snaps last year, but the true difference makers are coming the last weekend in April.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
They improved at their weakest position. The right CB in the draft might turn a weakness into a strength.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I like the long and tall guys in this draft: Christian Gonzalez, Deonte Banks, Julius Brents. They can all fit the press man CB they're looking for and are good tacklers who are decent run defenders. Would love for their first round CB to take over LCB, let Okudah and Jacobs compete for RCB.
I think Cam goes back inside to play Slot Corner. What a massive upgrade over Will Harris that would be. He played more zone in Pittsburgh than AG runs.
They interviewed Sydney Brown at the Combine and he fits their profile: good athlete, team captain, good run defender. He could take over the Elliott SS role.
Kerby Joseph played well at FS and though Tracy Walker is reputedly doing well in rehab - he insists he'll be ready for OTAs in early May - I'm not counting on him being the guy he's been the last few years.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Guy is a good example of why 40 speed is irrelevant bc good football instincts will make up for it.
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@kmeinke
Cornerback PFF rankings last year:
28. Cameron Sutton
64. Will Harris
76. Mike Hughes
77. Jeff Okudah
93. Jerry Jacobs
1:48 PM · Mar 13, 2023
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I love this signing. Absolutely love.
Sounds like Cam was the leader of CB room which the Lions could really use. I think a 1st round CB is still on the table and Cam is the perfect guy to mentor him.
Sounds like Cam was the leader of CB room which the Lions could really use. I think a 1st round CB is still on the table and Cam is the perfect guy to mentor him.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Or as the guys on twitch like to call him, Alex Analzone.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The thing I hear over and over from Steelers fans is this guy got better every year and there's no reason to think that won't continue.
He's by no means a shutdown island CB (there's only one Sauce) but if you play him outside he has Jalen Ramsey traits, with slightly less athleticism - instinctual player who is always in the right place, good ball skills, forces turnovers and solid in run defense. Better in Zone than man, and in 2020 + 2021 he played inside more and was an elite Slot CB. Versatile, solid player who should make any defense better.
Foosball God
Foos
Eh, not thrilled with a 3 year contract for this guy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
only thing I can think of it's a comfort thing for AG - which would make sense year 1 when you're installing the defense
move on, ask Holmes to find guys who are better
I think it's an easy upgrade with an athletic OLB (say DeMarvion Overshown) or a day 3 OLB like Dorian Williams or Latrell Miller who is smart & understands coverage schemes
I will say that last year he played way better than 2021, but....he's still just a guy
we need dudes
Ilov80s
Footballguy
This surprised me. Coaches obviously must love him and love his presence as a leader. It's questionable to me though,
The Lions are linked to Austin Eckler, which would be a better solution than Williams/Swift. Eckert has the ypc of 4.6 yards, so he has Swifts explosiveness but much more durable. Eckert is a much better reviever than either Swift or Williams, catching 107 balls last year while averaging a phenomenal 8.9 yards per catch for his carreer. He is also a TD hawk, scoring 18 and 20 TDs the last two years. He had over 1600 yards from scrimmage last season. He is reportedly the hardest worker on the team and a team leader, so he is culturally a fit. He is on the 4th year of his deal at $7 million non-guarenteed. He will be 28 in may, so he has about three more prime years. He just wants an extension and the chargers refused.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami has been mentioned as well.
I don't think the outlook is good since Chargers traditionally don't play well in trades, always want way too much and are not realistic about fair market value.
Starting to worry about their chances to get Herbert extended in the same time frame as we will see others in the coming months
What teams want to give a 28 yr old RB big money or an extension these days?
Bolts seem to have all the leverage in terms of calling the shots on Ekeler.
Think Mel Gordon was irritable with them when he left town.
Plenty of RBs out there and you all have 2 picks including the #18 which might be a great spot to take a potential stud in that Robinson kid from Texas, he's pretty darn good.
The Lions offense would be a completely different animal with that beast at WR you all are going to unleash to pair with ARSB, plenty of Draftable Tight Ends for you all-2nd Rd
I forgot how much I enjoyed the Lions journey last year and the last couple seasons since DC took over as head coach.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So you want to trade down, another scenario could involve 10 and 30 with Philly, likely secure the same player.
At 18 you could take Robinson at RB, also could take the impact OG-Torrence from Florida and leave 44 for something else.
Assume you now have #30 and #39. Deonte Banks at Corner would be a nice scoop at the end of the 1st Rd.
I like the Tight Ends in the 2nd Rd, Washington is interesting, Kincaid is another I like.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don’t want Bijan but if the Lions take him, I will understand. My guess is Banks doesn’t make it past the early 20s. As for Kincaid and the other TEs not named Washington, I don’t know if they are on the Lions radar. I might be totally wrong but I don’t think the team wants to invest much into a TE who basically has to play as a slot WR.
Foosball God
Foos
Ekler is great but trading assets as well as giving him an extension seems like a bad move for a not premium position.
On the QB front I still have hopes we'll sign Minshew as he seems like the perfect backup QB for us both in mentality and ability, but the longer we go without addressing it the more likely it is they may draft for it which might mean using the sixth pick if Levis or Richardson are there.
On the QB front I still have hopes we'll sign Minshew as he seems like the perfect backup QB for us both in mentality and ability, but the longer we go without addressing it the more likely it is they may draft for it which might mean using the sixth pick if Levis or Richardson are there.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
IMO the Lions Top 4 targets at TE are guys who can play inline, good run blockers, and decent in pass pro if they want to take a shot and need max protection. TE in Ben Johnson's offense have to be be content to picking up occasional scraps to keep defenses honest. It's not a direct correlation by any means but they were 1-6 with Hockenson, 8-2 post-trade. They're not exactly movivated to go out and find the next Kelce or Kittle, it's working just fine just the way it is.
- Tucker Kraft - the only Day 2 guy I think they are seriously considering. Lot to like about him as a blocker, receiver and his mental makeup.
- Luke Schooner - a little bit less of everything Kraft can do.
- Zach Kuntz - man what an athlete!
- Josh Whyle - not a lot of production iIRC but his film looks great from a 6th OL perspective.
Darnell Washington seems unlikely bc of the draft capital but he is a devastating blocker with a massive frame. He has shown no ability to get himself open, and long striders don't typically evolve into good route runners. If he put on 30 pounds he'd have far greater career earning capacity as a RT. The mismatch argument is so overblown, we literally see this every year. Jelani Woods, Mo Allie-Cox....et al, going back to Michael Finley. I get it, they are large humans, it's exciting. The NFL finds it pretty easy to figure these kind of guys out.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Still haven't seen details on the Anzalone deal. Can't really compare it to the other FA LB signings until we understand the GTD money. Total & length are meaningless, the only thing that matters are the Cap Hits: guaranteed at signing, effectively guaranteed bc of workout/reporting bonuses, et al. It's probably back ended with $10-11M due in 2024 & 2025 and not GTD meaning it's effectively a 1 year $8M deal which wouldn't be crazy.
It's baffling why they wanted a replacement level guy back but intangibles - he wears the green dot, locker room presense, etc. Just annoying signing to me - I want accountability, if you can't play well enough we are going to upgrade. I guess it gives them a security blanket in case they can't find a cover OLB in the draft but I'd prefer they just hand the communications helmet to Malcolm and get someone more athletic who is a sure tackler.
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Lions restructured Tracy Walker to free up $5M. This was one of 8 moves they could make internally to free up more room, there's an extra million in there so they must have added a void year to kick another $1M down the road. Pride of Detroit breakdown
The aforementioned - Breaking down 8 potential Detroit Lions contract restructures for 2023 - IOW how to create almost $40M in cap space if needed.
It's baffling why they wanted a replacement level guy back but intangibles - he wears the green dot, locker room presense, etc. Just annoying signing to me - I want accountability, if you can't play well enough we are going to upgrade. I guess it gives them a security blanket in case they can't find a cover OLB in the draft but I'd prefer they just hand the communications helmet to Malcolm and get someone more athletic who is a sure tackler.
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Lions restructured Tracy Walker to free up $5M. This was one of 8 moves they could make internally to free up more room, there's an extra million in there so they must have added a void year to kick another $1M down the road. Pride of Detroit breakdown
The aforementioned - Breaking down 8 potential Detroit Lions contract restructures for 2023 - IOW how to create almost $40M in cap space if needed.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions didn’t offer Matt Nelson an RFA tender, but re-signed him today.
Likely means it’s for a lesser value than the tender.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Too early to try to read Brad Holmes mind, but I put on my psychic propeller beanie anyways and came up with what I think will be his first 5 picks by position:
DL - CB - OL - RB - LB
Based on any future free agent signings/trades I reserve the right to change his mind.
DL - CB - OL - RB - LB
Based on any future free agent signings/trades I reserve the right to change his mind.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Love both these guys as a Day 3 pick. I don't even care if you're taking them to start which at RG or future proofing if they don't resign Jonah next year. Solid players who are going to be in the league a long time.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Former 49ers’ CB Emmanuel Moseley reached agreement with the Lions today on a one-year, $6 million deal, per source.
Good cover corner, coming off ACL from last October. In the 5 g he played he allowed 43.6 passer rating with a PFF coverage grade of 73.6.
Good cover corner, coming off ACL from last October. In the 5 g he played he allowed 43.6 passer rating with a PFF coverage grade of 73.6.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Great signing, he's really solid when healthy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Too early to try to read Brad Holmes mind, but I put on my psychic propeller beanie anyways and came up with what I think will be his first 5 picks by position:
DL - CB - OL - RB - LB
Based on any future free agent signings/trades I reserve the right to change his mind.
If it were up to me, at the end of Day 2 we’d have:
CB (x2)
DI
ED
G
I have a feeling we’ll end up taking 6-7 picks bc of trade backs.
Day 3 we can take a LB, TE & project QB. Or another G, especially if we add another pick from trading back.
Of course it will almost certainly be different than what the mock draft simulator tells you. Weird bc apparently I’m better at draft day trades than Brad Holmes. Not sure what his issue is bc it’s super easy.
efactor
Footballguy
Lions fans gonna love this guy if he’s heathy. Really good player. Was hoping he would resign with SF
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Cam Sutton was in the Tennessee Volunteers 2013 recruiting class, drafted 3rd round 2017
Emmanuel Mosely was in the Tennessee Volunteers 2014 recruiting class, UDFA 2018
No real Lions connection I could detect but just thought it was interesting they started opposite each other for a couple years in the SEC
Emmanuel Mosely was in the Tennessee Volunteers 2014 recruiting class, UDFA 2018
No real Lions connection I could detect but just thought it was interesting they started opposite each other for a couple years in the SEC
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm guessing it was a one year just in case he doesn't bounce back off the ACL? If he does they really have improved their weakest position. I also remember Holmes audio mentioning CB being his #1 priority. He also mentioned backup QB, I expect him to upgrade there also.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hopefully we’re not done yet with the DB room.
LCB - Emmanuel Moseley
RCB - Okudah / Jacobs competition
Slot CB - Cam Sutton
Will Harris got resigned today (1 yr deal no details yet)
(fr fr we don’t have a CB1. Sutton played outside last year, he’s better inside IMO and that position is super important these days.
just give me a few months. I’m still in denial, have to get through anger-bargaining-depression before I get to acceptance)
FS - Kerby Joseph
Tracy Walker coming back fm achilles
SS - kind of don’t have one rn
Lucas and Iff are camp bodies.
Really hope we draft one of the top corners. Preferably 2 - plus a Sydney Brown / Jammie Robinson type box S.
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Moonlight
Footballguy
The Moseley signing doesn't add up for me primarily because its a one year contract. Takes 8 to 12 months to come back from an ACL tear. He was injured in October last year. He's going to a new team, will be limited participant in offseason. If things go well will most likely be a second half of the season contributor.
I can see taking a chance on him because he has improved each year but I think the team that signs him to his next contract will be the one that gets the most reward. That is, if he is healthy.
Its a risky situation. Lions may be betting they can keep him if things go well. But he comes from a quality 49ers organization
Moonlight
Footballguy
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Good signing at a good price. Steady contributor who was playing through his hand injury. Should be even better this year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
2 years, 8.5M, 4.0M guaranteed, another 1.0M incentives
Seems a lot more reasonable than Anzalone's
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You may be right but I've seen a couple articles that indicate he'll be ready by week 1. I'm sure Holmes did his homework and didn't spend 6 million on a guy that can't help them this year. And there's nothing keeping them from extending him if he works out well.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Did we get details on AA yet?
Length, total and average are meaningless. the only important thing is what is GTD at signing, effectively guaranteed, e.g., what's the Cap Space/Dead Cap impact.
Most contracts are backloaded and aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
If Anzalone's is $10M or less GTD and we can get out after a year when he gets surpassed, who cares? Pretty low stakes.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Sometimes guys are back 9 months after surgery. Everyone is different.
Torn ACL surgical repair is like Tommy John or open heart surgery. It's a freaking miracle of modern science....and it's also routine, commonplace, NBD.
Walker had achilles surgery and will be close to 100% for OTAs in two months.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
His gas tank might be on empty but Matt Ryan has just entered the 2nd string QB club.
