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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (45 Viewers)
- Thread starter Da Guru
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Good point. Hopefully they have early outs built in.
It very well could. We got 2 legit starting corners without breaking the bank. The only question is Moseley's health. They have flexibility now in that they don't necessarily have to spend a first rounder on a corner. It's a deep class and they could take one in the 2nd or 3rd.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Cools the jets on the Bijan draft rumors at least. Wonder where Jamaal ends up. 
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Did not see that one coming
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Really out of the blue. Good back though - Lions have a scary backfield with Monty/Swift, assuming Swift is still a lion.
Wrong...and it only took a few minutes to hear something.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yep - both broken tackles and elusiveness (missed tackles) - IIRC Monty is among the best at that.
jabarony
Footballguy
I thought they fired Bob Quinn. I guess they forgot to deactivate his keycard.
What?
jabarony
Footballguy
I think it’s a bad signing, reminiscent of the previous regime.
jabarony
Footballguy
Actually I rescind that comment. It’s more Matt Millen-like.
I think the exact opposite. I don't see anything bad about it. I guess time will tell.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Elite-tier ploy.
What exactly is bad about it?
jabarony
Footballguy
Yup. Can’t argue with that.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Agreed. Locker room might be unhappy for a bit .. but Monty has that “Dawg” just like Jamaal had - younger, and more skilled. I love it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Biggest GTD money for FA RB signings the last 3 years:
- James Conner 3 yr $21M
$13.5M GTD - Leonard Fournette 3 yr $21M
$12M GTD - David Montgomery 3 yr $18M
$11M GTD
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s a lot guaranteed. One might suspect he’ll have a sizable workload.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Not quite, but almost true.
He played 14 games; it was 9-5 and 0-3.
TBF, he played a season low 10 snaps in both the MIA and DAL losses, the first two games after he broke his thumb (and IIRC had surgery.)
Moonlight
Footballguy
Younger, better receiver, significant difference for the good in breaking tackles compared to Williams and is a competent pass blocker. YPC similar. This is an upgrade. Another parameter in evaluating the signing is how much $ Williams wanted.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Montgomery is going to be the grinder and has a reputation of playing through injuries. The Lions need a homerun back. I do not think they trust Swift and believe they will seek to upgrade from Swift.
The signing of two competent veteran CBs gives them the option of going RB or QB in the first round depending on who's there at 6 and 18. Or RB in the second. Based on how Holmes aggressively went after Jameson Williams last year I can see the Lions looking at Bijan or Gibbs. Williams was evaluated by the Lions last year as a home run threat and difference maker.
If the Lions consider any of the RBs in the draft a player comparable to Jameson Williams I think they would make a movie.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Many players have said that they were not 100% until @two years after their injury. That said I like the Lions having two new competent veteran CBs. If they draft a CB, it allows them to develop him over the year if needed without throwing him into the fire like Okudah.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Coincidental coordinates, probably the first time I’ve ever guessed anything like this.
I like the signing. As people have already mentioned, he’s a good all round back and younger than Jamaal. He’s a little bit better tbh, I’d say
So far Holmes has signed 2 starting caliber corners for reasonable contracts. They are not necessarily pro bowlers but both were very good in coverage last year. Now he signs Montgomery. Another solid move without breaking the bank.
I still haven't seen details of Anzalone's contract so it's hard to say if it's good or bad. Personally I wanted to see someone better but I don't think Holmes values that position that high. Other than that I think he has done a very good job of addressing needs without giving out bad contracts.
There might be more to come. I'm waiting to see what happens at right guard. I think they go defensive line at 1.06 and maybe 1.18 as well. If they don't sign a guard that is another possibility in round 1 or 2. They also need a backup QB and there are not a whole lot of options. I don't think they are keeping Chark but could go for a cheaper option or maybe draft one in round 2 or 3. They also could draft another CB. The draft is very deep so they could get a good player in round 2 or 3. I don't think they go CB in round 1 but it's possible.
All in all I'm happy with what Holmes has done so far in free agency. Solid players and more importantly no bad contracts.
I still haven't seen details of Anzalone's contract so it's hard to say if it's good or bad. Personally I wanted to see someone better but I don't think Holmes values that position that high. Other than that I think he has done a very good job of addressing needs without giving out bad contracts.
There might be more to come. I'm waiting to see what happens at right guard. I think they go defensive line at 1.06 and maybe 1.18 as well. If they don't sign a guard that is another possibility in round 1 or 2. They also need a backup QB and there are not a whole lot of options. I don't think they are keeping Chark but could go for a cheaper option or maybe draft one in round 2 or 3. They also could draft another CB. The draft is very deep so they could get a good player in round 2 or 3. I don't think they go CB in round 1 but it's possible.
All in all I'm happy with what Holmes has done so far in free agency. Solid players and more importantly no bad contracts.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah that’s how I see it as well. It takes the pressure off but doesn’t remove the option. Most of these guys aren’t signed longterm.
Montgomery was a very good signing. We were using Williams as a number 1 back and he is really not. I think losing Duce was good for Swift. Montgomery is a very good third down and short yardage back, and can be effective as a feature back, but we can utilize Swift to give us that explosiveness. I think we will get much better production from our running game with Swift-Montgomery with closer to a 50-50 split.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
2 years younger as a running back, that's like 14 in human years.
It is kind of weird. Backs like Walter, Barry, and Emmitt were very effective into their 30's. Now nobody wants anything to do with a back who is 29.
formerfourdigit
Footballguy
seems like a lot for Montgomery compared to the market right now but time will tell. very clear they don't see Swift as the guy which is a bummer but he can still be impactful with limited touches.
what do you guys think about WR at 18? maybe the OSU kid or Quentin Johnson. I could see a fit. ETA: Hyatt from Tenb there maybe?
what do you guys think about WR at 18? maybe the OSU kid or Quentin Johnson. I could see a fit. ETA: Hyatt from Tenb there maybe?
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Not too long ago, in 2018 in Miami, Frank Gore at age 35 averaged 4.6 ypc and had an 80.3 pff grade on about 10 carries per game. He had great vision between the tackles. Montgomery has a more patient style, but I'm slightly concerned that Herbert looked a little better behind the same line.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Some Honolulu Blue Kool Aid for ya filthy animals:
Calvin Johnson on Dan Campbell (ESPN + radio yesterday)
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WR Prospect I like a lot....
A.T. Perry, Wake Forest
Combine profile
listed 6'5" 205 came out 6' 3-1/2" 198 at Indianapolis
4.47 40
9.23 RAS
2021: 71-1296-15 on 125 targets
2022: 81-1100-11 on 129 targets
3-star recruit, redshirted 2018, 4 catches 2019, 15 catches 2020, turns 24 this fall. 9th best WR prospect at NFL.com of just the Combine participants. Some obvious red flags there.
PFF has him at #74 overall on their post-Combine Big Board, WR8 in a weak class - he's rated between Michael Wilson Stanford and Rashee Rice SMU.
Pre-season last fall they wondered if he could be the best WR in the class (hype)
This next link is an interview from the Shrine Bowl. Oh man, this is just amazing. This is a really cerebral kid, you can knock his age and level of competition but this kid gets it.
Top WR prospect A.T. Perry breaks down his ridiculously detailed routes
That is a guy who knows his craft. Really fascinating listening to him talk about what his reads are presnap, how he knows the quarterback is seeing the same thing, how he varies his release so guys can't just watch film and pick up on his habits, etc.
Somebody is going to get a pretty special player IMO. Because of his late breakout and age, will def be overlooked by too many. Dude has some insane release moves and is great at contested catches.
Late 3rd round or early 4th
Calvin Johnson on Dan Campbell (ESPN + radio yesterday)
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WR Prospect I like a lot....
A.T. Perry, Wake Forest
Combine profile
listed 6'5" 205 came out 6' 3-1/2" 198 at Indianapolis
4.47 40
9.23 RAS
2021: 71-1296-15 on 125 targets
2022: 81-1100-11 on 129 targets
3-star recruit, redshirted 2018, 4 catches 2019, 15 catches 2020, turns 24 this fall. 9th best WR prospect at NFL.com of just the Combine participants. Some obvious red flags there.
PFF has him at #74 overall on their post-Combine Big Board, WR8 in a weak class - he's rated between Michael Wilson Stanford and Rashee Rice SMU.
Pre-season last fall they wondered if he could be the best WR in the class (hype)
This next link is an interview from the Shrine Bowl. Oh man, this is just amazing. This is a really cerebral kid, you can knock his age and level of competition but this kid gets it.
Top WR prospect A.T. Perry breaks down his ridiculously detailed routes
That is a guy who knows his craft. Really fascinating listening to him talk about what his reads are presnap, how he knows the quarterback is seeing the same thing, how he varies his release so guys can't just watch film and pick up on his habits, etc.
Somebody is going to get a pretty special player IMO. Because of his late breakout and age, will def be overlooked by too many. Dude has some insane release moves and is great at contested catches.
Late 3rd round or early 4th
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Watched highlights and Monty seems like a Williams clone but a little faster and better pass receiver.
Looks like Williams priced himself out of Detroit.
Luke warm on the AA signing. Good team guy but don`t think he would be coveted much by other teams.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
When the agent doesn't put the GTD money out there, that happens for a reason.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am almost certain this is Swift’s last year in Detroit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Detroit spend a mid round pick on a pass catching back.
As for WRs, no to JSN. He’s too similar to Amon Ra and I think Hiatt is too similar to Jameson. Q is a maybe but I think the Lions have bigger needs. I still expect them to sign a big bodied X WR before FA ends. The player might not be really good but he will be able to fill the role.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m deeply skeptical that they take a RB in the 1st after signing Monty.
IMO that is their only RB move, save for a later round pick or a veteran depth signing.
You don’t guarantee $11M to a top FA RB then draft one in the 1st. That would be more of an either/or situation.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not sure Monty is a JWill clone as people suggest. Considering JWill ran behind one of the best o-lines in the league and Monty one of the lesser ones I am quietly very high on Monty going into 2023 magic football drafts.
Have to see what the Lions do to replace losses and add depth on the OL but there is real reason for high expectations from the Lions backfield again this season.
Have to see what the Lions do to replace losses and add depth on the OL but there is real reason for high expectations from the Lions backfield again this season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
FAs still available:
LB Bobby Wagner
S Jordan Poyer
OL Orlando Brown
LB Lavonte David
TE Mike Gesicki
S CJ Gardner Johnson
DE Frank Clark
RB Miles Sanders
TE Dalton Schultz
WR JuJu Smith Schuster
LB Leonard Floyd
OL Taylor Lewan
WR DJ Chark
QB Baker Mayfield
WR Odell Beckham
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m sensing that you’re higher on one of these players above the rest but I can’t quite put my finger on it
FAs still available:
LB Bobby Wagner
S Jordan Poyer
OL Orlando Brown
LB Lavonte David
TE Mike Gesicki
S CJ Gardner Johnson
DE Frank Clark
RB Miles Sanders
TE Dalton Schultz
WR JuJu Smith Schuster
LB Leonard Floyd
OL Taylor Lewan
WR DJ Chark
QB Baker Mayfield
WR Odell Beckham
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
where's that article I linked on the 8 moves the Lions could make to free up $40M in cap space?
Eagles are planning on releasing Slay
Eagles are planning on releasing Slay
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
One Year of Focus and Hustle can Chnage Your Life Forever
John Cominsky talks about what motivated him to resign with Detroit
John Cominsky talks about what motivated him to resign with Detroit
