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2025 Detroit Lions: 0-0 HOF Game on tape, as DC said..."We got work to do" (49 Viewers)

Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.
 
Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.
When you have the best offense in the NFL, you can outscore anyone. The Lions were never going to slow the game down, nor should they. They are always going to be aggressive. Even with that, the running game is what everything is based off of, namely play action passing.

The problem was not the above. The problem was Gibbs was tearing the Washington defense to shreds and they didn't give him enough touches.

The reasons they lost were because the defense played terrible and turnovers.
 
Schefter:

Ben Johnson has been busy assembling a star-studded coaching staff. The leading candidate to become his defensive coordinator in Chicago is former Saints HC Dennis Allen, per league sources.


Johnson and the Bears will face Detroit twice a year
 
Goff deserves the most blame for the loss. He gave the Commanders 7 points and cost the Lions at least 3 at the end of half. He is still the guy though, lots of great qbs have had duds in the playoffs. Just bad timing.

The coaching staff is next for blame, 12 guys on the field, calling that Jamo pass, not giving Gibbs more touches when he was clearly the best player on the team.

Defense gets a little blame. They were just destroyed by injuries, but they still need a little better showing than that.
 
Rapaport:

With Ben Johnson landing with the #Bears, the #Lions will almost certainly lose both coordinators. Aaron Glenn is visiting the #Jets tomorrow and the #Saints    the next day. It’s considered likely he lands in one of those places.

 
Defense gets a little blame. They were just destroyed by injuries, but they still need a little better showing than that.
The problem with the defense was, when they rushed with just the front four, they had zero QB pressures in 40 something snaps. So they had to blitz. In order to blitz you have to play man and when Amik Robertson went down, we couldn't cover anyone. Also, the less talented played missed a bunch of tackles. We just didn't have the horses.
 
I would like to wish all the luck in the world to Johnson but obviously I can't, lol. Maybe he will have the talent he was given in Detroit to work with, maybe not.
 
I would like to wish all the luck in the world to Johnson but obviously I can't, lol. Maybe he will have the talent he was given in Detroit to work with, maybe not.
He's got some serious offensive line work to do. Skill players are excellent. Any chance he's taking like a qb coach to be his OC?
 
I would like to wish all the luck in the world to Johnson but obviously I can't, lol. Maybe he will have the talent he was given in Detroit to work with, maybe not.
He's got some serious offensive line work to do. Skill players are excellent. Any chance he's taking like a qb coach to be his OC?
I expect Johnson to call plays, so it's hard to pick a coordinator. Rumors last year was that he would take Lions offensive line coach Hank Fraley with him but who knows.
 
Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.

The Lions way is not to always go balls out, they have adjusted their game plan numerous times and gone run heavy. I am not sure why they did not go back to the run more, probably desperation because they got behind and their defense was totally worthless. Dan Campbell is constantly self-evaluating and evolving. Much of the popular narratives surrounding DC ever since he was hired are BS. Neither this year or last year, the Lions defense going into the playoffs was not nearly good enough to win a super bowl.
 
Rapaport:

With Ben Johnson landing with the #Bears, the #Lions will almost certainly lose both coordinators. Aaron Glenn is visiting the #Jets tomorrow and the #Saints    the next day. It’s considered likely he lands in one of those places.


Remember Johnson was just a lowly TE coach before Campbell made him OC. DC will find another one, and another DC if need be. Both jobs are good situations. Lots of tools on offense and getting the D healthy it will be better than this season.

Really did not want Ben going in division though.
 
Remember Johnson was just a lowly TE coach before Campbell made him OC. DC will find another one, and another DC if need be. Both jobs are good situations. Lots of tools on offense and getting the D healthy it will be better than this season.

Really did not want Ben going in division though.
Before being named offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson went from offensive quality control coach to TE coach to passing game coordinator.

Tanner Engstrand has followed the same path.
 
Remember Johnson was just a lowly TE coach before Campbell made him OC. DC will find another one, and another DC if need be. Both jobs are good situations. Lots of tools on offense and getting the D healthy it will be better than this season.

Really did not want Ben going in division though.
Before being named offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson went from offensive quality control coach to TE coach to passing game coordinator.

Tanner Engstrand has followed the same path.
Interesting. Did not know that!!
 
Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.

The Lions way is not to always go balls out, they have adjusted their game plan numerous times and gone run heavy. I am not sure why they did not go back to the run more, probably desperation because they got behind and their defense was totally worthless. Dan Campbell is constantly self-evaluating and evolving. Much of the popular narratives surrounding DC ever since he was hired are BS. Neither this year or last year, the Lions defense going into the playoffs was not nearly good enough to win a super bowl.
It’s not narrative that the Lions ran the ball extremely well against Wash and for some reason kept chucking even while Goff threw INTs.
 
Remember Johnson was just a lowly TE coach before Campbell made him OC. DC will find another one, and another DC if need be. Both jobs are good situations. Lots of tools on offense and getting the D healthy it will be better than this season.

Really did not want Ben going in division though.
Before being named offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson went from offensive quality control coach to TE coach to passing game coordinator.

Tanner Engstrand has followed the same path.
I will say that even if Engstrand does get the job, Johnson's will be tough shoes to fill even if he performs reasonably well.

The Lions now have HIGH expectations as well as coming off a season where despite being 15-2 in the regular season, they failed to meet them.

Johnson had a chance to grow into the OC role fairly off the radar. There'll be no such luxury for his successor.

I'm likely fading all Lions offensive players in 2025.
 
I’m not a Lions fan but pay attention slightly due to family. Why are people talking about Hooker in here when he was inactive Saturday behind a qb who was coaching high school football a few weeks ago?
 
I’m not a Lions fan but pay attention slightly due to family. Why are people talking about Hooker in here when he was inactive Saturday behind a qb who was coaching high school football a few weeks ago?

No Lions fans are. Football Jones who says he is a Cowboy fan has an obsession with Goff and Hooker.

As always let the best player start be it Goff, Teddy or Hooker. With Goff starting the first year of his new deal next season looks like he has at least 2 years more as the starter.

The fact the Lions begged Teddy in week 14 to come back as the backup and made Hooker inactive tells me all I need to know.

Not counting on it but I really hope Hooker is the next Daniels so the decisions are difficult.
 
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I’m not a Lions fan but pay attention slightly due to family. Why are people talking about Hooker in here when he was inactive Saturday behind a qb who was coaching high school football a few weeks ago?

No Lions fans are. Football Jones who says he is a Cowboy fan has an obsession with Goff and Hooker.

As always let the best player start be it Goff, Teddy or Hooker. With Goff starting the first year of his new deal next season looks like he has at least 2 years more as the starter.

The fact the Lions begged Teddy in week 14 to come back as the backup and made Hooker inactive tells me all I need to know.

Not counting on it but I really hope Hooker is the next Daniels so the decisions are difficult.
I’m a football fan. You can be interested in things outside your favorite team, lol.

More people are waking up to the Goff/Hooker situation. It’s no longer just me. :) Actually, there were always people besides me who were wondering about it, but I guess I was the most vocal. It’s a thing now.

The problem with Goff is he’s good enough to beat up on lesser teams and pad his stats with all the weapons he’s got, plus a great OL, but in the playoffs, when everything speeds up and you’re also going against the best players and coaches, Goff lacks the athleticism (as in none) to make a difference. Plus, it’s not like he’s got top-tier arm talent. It’s a bad combination to try to win a title with in today’s NFL. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible with Goff, but the odds are very discouraging. Look at the 4 QBs left…

It’s time for Detroit to give serious consideration to moving on from Goff in some fashion. Hooker may not ultimately make it, but he has some qualities that could take their offense to the next level and get them over the hump. Do you want to win a bunch of regular season games or do you want to win a title? Windows close quickly in the NFL. Time is ticking and that’s not something that’s negotiable.
 
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I’m not a Lions fan but pay attention slightly due to family. Why are people talking about Hooker in here when he was inactive Saturday behind a qb who was coaching high school football a few weeks ago?

No Lions fans are. Football Jones who says he is a Cowboy fan has an obsession with Goff and Hooker.

As always let the best player start be it Goff, Teddy or Hooker. With Goff starting the first year of his new deal next season looks like he has at least 2 years more as the starter.

The fact the Lions begged Teddy in week 14 to come back as the backup and made Hooker inactive tells me all I need to know.

Not counting on it but I really hope Hooker is the next Daniels so the decisions are difficult.
I’m a football fan. You can be interested in things outside your favorite team, lol.

More people are waking up to the Goff/Hooker situation. It’s no longer just me. :) Actually, there were always people besides me who were wondering about it, but I guess I was the most vocal. It’s a thing now.

The problem with Goff is he’s good enough to beat up on lesser teams and pad his stats with all the weapons he’s got, plus a great OL, but in the playoffs, when everything speeds up and you’re also going against the best players and coaches, Goff lacks the athleticism (as in none) to make a difference. Plus, it’s not like he’s got top-tier arm talent. It’s a bad combination to try to win a title with in today’s NFL. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible with Goff, but the odds are very discouraging. Look at the 4 QBs left…

It’s time for Detroit to give serious consideration to moving on from Goff in some fashion. Hooker may not ultimately make it, but he has some qualities that could take their offense to the next level and get them over the hump. Do you want to win a bunch of regular season games or do you want to win a title? Windows close quickly in the NFL. Time is ticking and that’s not something that’s negotiable.

I agree with some things, but you have more posts in the Jarod Goff thread than anyone..about 10 pages worth. Way more than any of the Lion fans.

It would be like me posting 10 pages about who should play Russell Wilson or Fields, or any combo of QBs. Why would I care?

Goff starts the first year of his new contract next season, so he is here for a while. I doubt what a couple people "wondering" about it on a message board will impact who plays. As I said I hope Hooker shows massive improvement and is able to take the next step and battle for the job. Listening to local sport show and writers who follow the team that does not seem to be the case. That is why they brought in Teddy Bridgewater late in the season to replace Hooker as the backup. That is not a good sign as Hooker has 2 years already watching.

Bottom line is DC will decide who plays, not us.
 
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I’m not a Lions fan but pay attention slightly due to family. Why are people talking about Hooker in here when he was inactive Saturday behind a qb who was coaching high school football a few weeks ago?

No Lions fans are. Football Jones who says he is a Cowboy fan has an obsession with Goff and Hooker.

As always let the best player start be it Goff, Teddy or Hooker. With Goff starting the first year of his new deal next season looks like he has at least 2 years more as the starter.

The fact the Lions begged Teddy in week 14 to come back as the backup and made Hooker inactive tells me all I need to know.

Not counting on it but I really hope Hooker is the next Daniels so the decisions are difficult.
I’m a football fan. You can be interested in things outside your favorite team, lol.

More people are waking up to the Goff/Hooker situation. It’s no longer just me. :) Actually, there were always people besides me who were wondering about it, but I guess I was the most vocal. It’s a thing now.

The problem with Goff is he’s good enough to beat up on lesser teams and pad his stats with all the weapons he’s got, plus a great OL, but in the playoffs, when everything speeds up and you’re also going against the best players and coaches, Goff lacks the athleticism (as in none) to make a difference. Plus, it’s not like he’s got top-tier arm talent. It’s a bad combination to try to win a title with in today’s NFL. I wouldn’t say it’s impossible with Goff, but the odds are very discouraging. Look at the 4 QBs left…

It’s time for Detroit to give serious consideration to moving on from Goff in some fashion. Hooker may not ultimately make it, but he has some qualities that could take their offense to the next level and get them over the hump. Do you want to win a bunch of regular season games or do you want to win a title? Windows close quickly in the NFL. Time is ticking and that’s not something that’s negotiable.

I agree with some things, but you have more posts in the Jarod Goff thread than anyone..about 10 pages worth. Way more than any of the Lion fans.

It would be like me posting 10 pages about who should play Russell Wilson or Fields, or any combo of QBs. Why would I care?

Goff starts the first year of his new contract next season, so he is here for a while. I doubt what a couple people "wondering" about it on a message board will impact who plays. As I said I hope Hooker shows massive improvement and is able to take the next step and battle for the job. Listening to local sport show and writers who follow the team that does not seem to be the case. That is why they brought in Teddy Bridgewater late in the season to replace Hooker as the backup. That is not a good sign as Hooker has 2 years already watching.

Bottom line is DC will decide who plays, not us.
10 pages? I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration, lol, but I'm glad you agree on some things. (y)

On another Jared Goff topic, I was critical of Holmes extending him early. A good rule of thumb for GMs is to only give early extensions to the best of the best and that's not Goff. Sure, you could theoretically save a little bit of money giving early extensions to guys like Goff if they ball out, but the downside is way bigger than the upside. In Goff's case, the Lions definitely could've had him for less if they had waited with his poor performance against Washington and early playoff exit. Not only that, they probly would've felt different about the length of the contract. Now, they're stuck, albeit, with a decent, but unspectacular/unathletic QB.

Here's the real problem...the Lions can give lip service to Hooker all they want, but what are the chances they have the balls to make him their starter given Goff's contract if Hooker does "beat him out". The elephant in the room is they could, but won't (due to the contract) make the switch to Hooker unless Goff really struggles. If that happens, another season is likely toast. Detroit has painted itself into a corner with that contract, IMO. Is this window big enough to where they can keep Goff as their starter every year of his contract even if he doesn't help bring a title, then switch to Hooker or someone else?

All that said, Detroit has plenty going for it, although, losing both coordinators could be a huge blow. My team (Dallas) certainly has more problems to overcome. BTW, I'm ok with you calling me obsessed, lol. After all, FF (and the NFL) is my only hobby. :)
 
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Remember Johnson was just a lowly TE coach before Campbell made him OC. DC will find another one, and another DC if need be. Both jobs are good situations. Lots of tools on offense and getting the D healthy it will be better than this season.

Really did not want Ben going in division though.
Before being named offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson went from offensive quality control coach to TE coach to passing game coordinator.

Tanner Engstrand has followed the same path.
I will say that even if Engstrand does get the job, Johnson's will be tough shoes to fill even if he performs reasonably well.

The Lions now have HIGH expectations as well as coming off a season where despite being 15-2 in the regular season, they failed to meet them.

Johnson had a chance to grow into the OC role fairly off the radar. There'll be no such luxury for his successor.

I'm likely fading all Lions offensive players in 2025.
Good organizations can generally replace coordinators who get HC jobs without missing a beat. Seattle's Legion of Boom went from Gus Bradley to Dan Quinn. Andy Reid went from Pederson to Nagy to Bienemy (back to Nagy). All of the various tentacles of the Shanahan/McVay tree have done OK replacing their guys.

Yes, it's true that a lot of those teams had the HCs as playcallers, but I think it's also about recognizing and developing young talent. I can't guarantee Campbell will get it right -- let's not forget that he started his career off hiring Anthony Lynn as his OC when he already had Johnson on staff -- but I'm certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
 
Wonder how much johnson talking to chicago took away from his prep for washington

Interviewed during the off week before Lions knew they who they were playing.
He knew he was getting the job. I would think he was spending time building a staff and preparing to leave. His focused had to be diminished.
As Lions fans we are not used to our players and coaches being in high demand.
 
Wonder how much johnson talking to chicago took away from his prep for washington

Interviewed during the off week before Lions knew they who they were playing.
He knew he was getting the job. I would think he was spending time building a staff and preparing to leave. His focused had to be diminished.
As Lions fans we are not used to our players and coaches being in high demand.
I just don't get why the league doesn't prohibit all interviews until after the Super Bowl. The argument I've always heard is that teams can't wait that long, but there are already a bunch of restrictions (only Zoom interviews during the wildcard round, etc.). Just make it a simple rule that no one can interview, make it a level playing field for everyone and let teams deal with the new reality
 
Wonder how much johnson talking to chicago took away from his prep for washington

Interviewed during the off week before Lions knew they who they were playing.
He knew he was getting the job. I would think he was spending time building a staff and preparing to leave. His focused had to be diminished.
As Lions fans we are not used to our players and coaches being in high demand.
I just don't get why the league doesn't prohibit all interviews until after the Super Bowl. The argument I've always heard is that teams can't wait that long, but there are already a bunch of restrictions (only Zoom interviews during the wildcard round, etc.). Just make it a simple rule that no one can interview, make it a level playing field for everyone and let teams deal with the new reality
A lot of friends hire friends.
A lot of the NFL is known to barely contact each other during the season but after week 17-18 they're gabbing, how ya been?
Playoff teams miss out on that to some degree. They're late to it I suppose.

Technology advances and ease of contact and then ease of a video interview.

Every year there were "oh c'mon you had to have contacted him" claims.

(Players and coaches have cell phone rules that I can not keep up with but the only time I recall phones being turned over was during a Pats scandal.)

Do you think when Vrabel was inducted into the Pats HOF and IIRC reigning coach of the year- that no one said "I wish you'd coach here?" Technically that's illegal but we sit here and all know it probably happened. Malice or underhandedness? No. They hired Mayo and..no no no. But it's a decent snippet to analyze. It's impossible to police friends.

Glenn played in NYJ for a long time and likely wants to return and all that. Do you really believe no one talked to him since they fired their coach?

Brady and Vrabel are buddies. Vrabel coached great against Brady in notable games. Do you think no Raiders interview means they didn't talk about it?

Rambling....sorry....it's just there's a whole line to not cross and privacy issue and ...it's all ugh. The NFL tries and I think we all should just appreciate the effort with this
 
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What is your theory on Williams not mentioned as Glenn's potential replacement?
That he's going to the Pats? That he's good where he is?
I'm not BL but the only person who is known to be a candidate is Kelvin Sheppard, who is considered the favorite to get the job. There have been some candidates mentioned (Dennis Allen, Robert Saleh), but it's nothing but media speculation. My own opinion is Campbell will interview Deshea Townsend (who interviewed with the 49ers) and Terrell Williams (assuming he doesn't get the Patriots job) and some external candidates but nothing's been announced yet.

I'm interested to hear BL's take on this. My opinion is Kelvin Sheppard will get the job but Campbell will do a thorough search. Williams to the Patriots is a natural fit.
 
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Remember Johnson was just a lowly TE coach before Campbell made him OC. DC will find another one, and another DC if need be. Both jobs are good situations. Lots of tools on offense and getting the D healthy it will be better than this season.

Really did not want Ben going in division though.
Before being named offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson went from offensive quality control coach to TE coach to passing game coordinator.

Tanner Engstrand has followed the same path.
I will say that even if Engstrand does get the job, Johnson's will be tough shoes to fill even if he performs reasonably well.

The Lions now have HIGH expectations as well as coming off a season where despite being 15-2 in the regular season, they failed to meet them.

Johnson had a chance to grow into the OC role fairly off the radar. There'll be no such luxury for his successor.

I'm likely fading all Lions offensive players in 2025.
Good organizations can generally replace coordinators who get HC jobs without missing a beat. Seattle's Legion of Boom went from Gus Bradley to Dan Quinn. Andy Reid went from Pederson to Nagy to Bienemy (back to Nagy). All of the various tentacles of the Shanahan/McVay tree have done OK replacing their guys.

Yes, it's true that a lot of those teams had the HCs as playcallers, but I think it's also about recognizing and developing young talent. I can't guarantee Campbell will get it right -- let's not forget that he started his career off hiring Anthony Lynn as his OC when he already had Johnson on staff -- but I'm certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
I wouldn't say my comment is a death knell, but defense is different and Reid/McVay/Shanahan as HC's is also different from Campbell.

Also, that isn't to say there'll be no productive offensive players on DET in 2025, simply an acknowledgement that Johnson was a critical piece of their offensive infrastructure which my guess results in the lower tide effect.
 
In his presser yesterday, Dan Campbell mentioned (in passing) OL coach Hank Fraley and DL coach Terrell Williams would be in the running. Also said he and Brad have about two weeks of self-scout and evaluation planned, and they're not in a hurry to make a decision on either coordinator position. The market may winnow down the list.

:shrug:
 
Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.
When you have the best offense in the NFL, you can outscore anyone. The Lions were never going to slow the game down, nor should they. They are always going to be aggressive. Even with that, the running game is what everything is based off of, namely play action passing.

The problem was not the above. The problem was Gibbs was tearing the Washington defense to shreds and they didn't give him enough touches.

The reasons they lost were because the defense played terrible and turnovers.

The overrating of the Commanders is out of hand at this point. There is no doubt the Lions could have outscored the Commanders. But when you're facing the 30th ranked run defense, you've been gashing them on the ground, you run the ball, at least in the first half to establish the run for play action. When you have a 40-20 pass/run ratio, they can just sit back and cover.
 

Lions pending free agents in 2025​

Unrestricted free agents​

  • LB Derrick Barnes 25
  • DB Ifeatu Melifonwu 25
  • OG Netane Muti 25
  • CB Khalil Dorsey 26
  • DL Levi Onwuzurike 26
  • CB Kindle Vildor 27
  • CB Carlton Davis 28
  • DE Marcus Davenport 28
  • CB Emmanuel Moseley 28
  • LB Ezekiel Turner 28
  • DE John Cominsky 29
  • K Michael Badgley 29
  • DL Jonah Williams 29
  • LB Ben Niemann 29
  • DE Al-Quadin Muhammad 29
  • OT Dan Skipper 30
  • LB Kwon Alexander 30
  • DT Kyle Peko 31
  • WR Allen Robinson 31
  • WR Tim Patrick 31
  • DE Pat O'Connor 31
  • QB Teddy Bridgewater 32
  • OG Kevin Zeitler 34

Restricted free agents​

A restricted free agent is a player with three accrued NFL seasons and has an expired contract. A restricted free agent can sign with any team, but their original team has a window to offer a qualifying offer before that.
  • RB Craig Reynolds 28
  • TE Shane Zylstra 28
  • OG Kayode Awosika 26
  • LB Anthony Pittman 28
  • DL Myles Adams 26

Exclusive rights free agents​

According to the NFL, an exclusive rights free agent is "any player with fewer than three accrued seasons and an expired contract. If his original team offers him a one-year contract at the league minimum the player cannot negotiate with other teams."
  • OT Connor Galvin 24
  • S Morice Norris 24
  • DE Mitchell Agude 25
  • LB Trevor Nowaske 26
  • OG/C Michael Niese 26


Age of Core Players
  • CB Terrion Arnold 21
  • DB Ennis Rakestraw 22
  • RB Jahmyr Gibbs 22
  • WR Jameson Williams 23
  • RB Sione Vaki 23
  • OL Giovanni Manu 23
  • TE Sam LaPorta 23
  • SS Brian Branch 23
  • DI Alim McNeill 24
  • ED Aidan Hutchinson 24
  • RT Penei Sewell 24
  • G Christian Mahogany 24
  • FS Kerby Joseph 24
  • LS Hogan Hatten 24
  • ILB Jack Campbell 24
  • OLB Malcolm Rodriguez 25
  • WR Amon-Ra St Brown 25
  • DL Josh Paschal 25
  • DI Brodric Martin 25
  • K Jake Bates 25
  • TE Brock Wright 26
  • CB Amik Robertson 26
  • QB Hendon Hooker 26
  • G Kayode Awosika 26
  • RB David Montgomery 27
  • C Frank Ragnow 28
  • P Jack Fox 28
  • LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin 29

  • DI DJ Reader 30
  • WR Kalif Raymond 30
  • QB Jared Goff 30
  • LT Taylor Decker 30
  • ILB Alex Anzalone 30
  • ED Za'Darius Smith 32
  • LG Graham Glasgow 32
starters/projected starters are bolded

one more category - futures contracts for the practice squad players

16 street free agents (SFA)

Street free agents are players who finished the season on the Lions practice squad but were not offered a futures contract. Because practice squad contracts expire seven days after a team's final game, the Lions practice players are set to become SFAs on January 25.
(NOTE: the Lions are expected to begin offering futures contracts in the next few days)

The difference between a UFA and an SFA is that SFAs do not have to wait until March to negotiate a contract with another team, as they are immediately eligible to open up contract talks with all 32 teams
  • QB Jake Fromm
  • RB Jermar Jefferson
  • WR Tom Kennedy
  • WR Maurice Alexander
  • WR Donovan Peoples-Jones
  • TE James Mitchell
  • OT Jamarco Jones
  • OC Kingsley Eguakun
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  • LB Kwon Alexander
  • LB Abraham Beauplan
  • LB DaRon Gilbert
  • CB Stantley Thomas-Oliver
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  • S Erick Hallett
 
Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.
When you have the best offense in the NFL, you can outscore anyone. The Lions were never going to slow the game down, nor should they. They are always going to be aggressive. Even with that, the running game is what everything is based off of, namely play action passing.

The problem was not the above. The problem was Gibbs was tearing the Washington defense to shreds and they didn't give him enough touches.

The reasons they lost were because the defense played terrible and turnovers.

The overrating of the Commanders is out of hand at this point. There is no doubt the Lions could have outscored the Commanders. But when you're facing the 30th ranked run defense, you've been gashing them on the ground, you run the ball, at least in the first half to establish the run for play action. When you have a 40-20 pass/run ratio, they can just sit back and cover.
I don't know anyone that overrated the Commanders (not saying nobody did but I didn't see it).
 
the summary of yesterday's press conference

Detroit Football Network

Lions' Campbell wants philosophical continuity with potential coordinator replacements, would consult Goff on OC
https://substack.com/@detroitfootballnetwork
Justin Rogers

Allen Park — There are six head coach openings across the NFL and Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell is braced for two to be filled by his coordinators, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

"I would expect to lose both, but I haven't been told anything," Campbell clarified. "I just — I've got a feeling, but I'm prepared to lose both."

Every NFL offseason brings change, but none figure to significantly impact Detroit's future more than a potential coaching staff shakeup. Detroit's offense and quarterback Jared Goff have flourished under Johnson's stewardship, finishing top five in scoring each of the past three seasons while setting franchise records in 2024.

The defensive turnaround was unquestionably slower, but Glenn is credited with keeping the unit afloat after it went through the wringer with an inordinate number of injuries in 2024. Additionally, he was ranked as the top coordinator in an NFLPA survey a year ago.

If one or both depart, Campbell said it will be up to him to prevent a disruption in the franchise's staying power as a perennial contender.

"That's my job, is to replenish and find the next man up and the guy who's going to give us the best chance to have success on both sides of the ball," Campbell said. "We're not going to allow that to happen. I'm not.

"Does it hurt to lose those guys? Absolutely," Campbell said. "They're a part of what we've been here. I mean, they've been here for four years. They're one of the major reasons why we've been able to get to where we've been, man. We came out of the dump and got to where we're at. So I will forever be grateful for those guys and our team will. And is it a loss? Absolutely, it's a loss, but yet, man, we move forward. This train rolls on and I'll find the next best guys for us."

Campbell learned some valuable lessons about picking the right coordinators early in his tenure. When he arrived in 2021, he took a misstep by bringing Anthony Lynn on board to lead the offense. It wasn't so much the hire Campbell regrets, but not being more hands-on with shaping the philosophical approach.

"I need to be part of the whole process," Campbell said about the mistake of deferring too heavily to Lynn in 2021. "There was a number of things when that transition took place, 'Hey, your offense, you call it, I'll have some things I want.' Then I'm with (general manager) Brad (Holmes) because we're getting ready for the draft, looking for players, free agency, and so you kind of allow those things to happen, and it's a blind spot and it shouldn't be because that's my area of expertise, if you will. So, I'm not going to allow that to happen, I'm going to be involved no matter what because I think that's best for our offense."

If the Lions need to replace either of their coordinators, philosophy will be key. In the past, Campbell has said the schemes aren't as important as a willingness to put personnel in the best positions to succeed. Still, on Monday, the coach emphasized some schematic preferences, particularly on defense, highlighting a desire to continue playing heavy man coverage attached to pressure rush packages. Those are a pair of Glenn calling cards.

There's also a question about whether Campbell would seek to replace his coordinators with internal or external options. He noted plenty of qualified individuals are currently on staff, but he won't rush to backfill the roles before diligently considering outside candidates.

"I think we've got guys on staff that I think are more than qualified and would be outstanding in those roles, but that does not mean that I'm not looking outside either," Campbell said. "I want what I believe is going to be as close to what we have been as possible, and we don't lose what we're about and our identity. … We're going to stay true to who we are, and if you're somebody that doesn't feel comfortable with that, then no, this isn't the job for you.

"I'm not going to be in a hurry," Campbell continued. "I'm not in a mad dash. No matter what happens, I want to do what's right by our team and what I believe is going to — those guys will be able to stand in front of that room and command respect and get everybody going in the same direction and will, ultimately, deliver the same message that I'm delivering."

Of note, Campbell not only reaffirmed his commitment and belief in Goff on Monday, but acknowledged the QB would have an important role in deciding any potential replacement for Johnson.

"I want his input," Campbell said. "To me that's important. That's what Ben did a great job of, is working — those guys working together. And the system was kind of built from the ground up, and it was to help him, and for him to be a part of.

"So, yeah, that's huge," Campbell said. "He'll have a lot of input. What he says is going to have a — says a lot to me, I should say. Now, is it going to be the ultimate decision? No, it's not, but what he says is going to mean a lot to me."
 
Yeah, I don't get what others are saying about how they called the offense. The entire world knew the Lions were decimated on defense.

So in a team game every aspect of the team has to do their part. I will never understand why the game plan from the jump wasn't to slow the game down and limit possessions for Washington.

With the Lions defensive issues they were never going to outscore the Commanders. So slow the game down. Run the ball. Limit possessions. Win this thing 24-21 if you can.

If the Lions way is to always go balls out no matter what, that regime will NEVER win a Super Bowl. You have to be able to adjust to what is in front of you. And so far, this is one more reason that has cropped up about this coaching staff.

Yes, I get that is their culture. But there is also having the ability to adjust. And yesterday is another example of that not happening.
When you have the best offense in the NFL, you can outscore anyone. The Lions were never going to slow the game down, nor should they. They are always going to be aggressive. Even with that, the running game is what everything is based off of, namely play action passing.

The problem was not the above. The problem was Gibbs was tearing the Washington defense to shreds and they didn't give him enough touches.

The reasons they lost were because the defense played terrible and turnovers.

The overrating of the Commanders is out of hand at this point. There is no doubt the Lions could have outscored the Commanders. But when you're facing the 30th ranked run defense, you've been gashing them on the ground, you run the ball, at least in the first half to establish the run for play action. When you have a 40-20 pass/run ratio, they can just sit back and cover.

3 plays changed the dynamics of the game. Lions up 7-3 and have a third and one from Washingtons 19. Lions have 2 downs to pick up one yard and a first, Ben goes open backfield after Gibbs has been getting 5-10 yards a carry and Goffs get strip sacked. Could have easily been 14-3, instead Lions go down 10-7.

Goffs pick 6, Goff had LaPorta wide open underneath for a 7-10 yard gain yet tried to make a big play and overthrows the ball. Goff takes the LaPorta checkdown option all year and moves on.

Ben calling for Williams to throw a reverse pass when the Lions were only down by one score and moving the ball. The play was doomed from the start as Williams totally slowed down trying to get a grip on the ball to throw, and then underthrows it into double coverage for an INT.

Jameson Williams is no doubt explosive, but he is the last non-QB guy I would let try to throw the ball in that situation.

One more thing. Starting Monty instead of Gibbs was a blunder. Gibbs was the hottest, most explosive RB in the NFL the last 4 weeks, they start Monty and go 3 and out..and I like Monty but that was not the right time to use him after a month off.
 
the summary of yesterday's press conference

Detroit Football Network

Lions' Campbell wants philosophical continuity with potential coordinator replacements, would consult Goff on OC
https://substack.com/@detroitfootballnetwork
Justin Rogers

Allen Park — There are six head coach openings across the NFL and Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell is braced for two to be filled by his coordinators, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

"I would expect to lose both, but I haven't been told anything," Campbell clarified. "I just — I've got a feeling, but I'm prepared to lose both."

Every NFL offseason brings change, but none figure to significantly impact Detroit's future more than a potential coaching staff shakeup. Detroit's offense and quarterback Jared Goff have flourished under Johnson's stewardship, finishing top five in scoring each of the past three seasons while setting franchise records in 2024.

The defensive turnaround was unquestionably slower, but Glenn is credited with keeping the unit afloat after it went through the wringer with an inordinate number of injuries in 2024. Additionally, he was ranked as the top coordinator in an NFLPA survey a year ago.

If one or both depart, Campbell said it will be up to him to prevent a disruption in the franchise's staying power as a perennial contender.

"That's my job, is to replenish and find the next man up and the guy who's going to give us the best chance to have success on both sides of the ball," Campbell said. "We're not going to allow that to happen. I'm not.

"Does it hurt to lose those guys? Absolutely," Campbell said. "They're a part of what we've been here. I mean, they've been here for four years. They're one of the major reasons why we've been able to get to where we've been, man. We came out of the dump and got to where we're at. So I will forever be grateful for those guys and our team will. And is it a loss? Absolutely, it's a loss, but yet, man, we move forward. This train rolls on and I'll find the next best guys for us."

Campbell learned some valuable lessons about picking the right coordinators early in his tenure. When he arrived in 2021, he took a misstep by bringing Anthony Lynn on board to lead the offense. It wasn't so much the hire Campbell regrets, but not being more hands-on with shaping the philosophical approach.

"I need to be part of the whole process," Campbell said about the mistake of deferring too heavily to Lynn in 2021. "There was a number of things when that transition took place, 'Hey, your offense, you call it, I'll have some things I want.' Then I'm with (general manager) Brad (Holmes) because we're getting ready for the draft, looking for players, free agency, and so you kind of allow those things to happen, and it's a blind spot and it shouldn't be because that's my area of expertise, if you will. So, I'm not going to allow that to happen, I'm going to be involved no matter what because I think that's best for our offense."

If the Lions need to replace either of their coordinators, philosophy will be key. In the past, Campbell has said the schemes aren't as important as a willingness to put personnel in the best positions to succeed. Still, on Monday, the coach emphasized some schematic preferences, particularly on defense, highlighting a desire to continue playing heavy man coverage attached to pressure rush packages. Those are a pair of Glenn calling cards.

There's also a question about whether Campbell would seek to replace his coordinators with internal or external options. He noted plenty of qualified individuals are currently on staff, but he won't rush to backfill the roles before diligently considering outside candidates.

"I think we've got guys on staff that I think are more than qualified and would be outstanding in those roles, but that does not mean that I'm not looking outside either," Campbell said. "I want what I believe is going to be as close to what we have been as possible, and we don't lose what we're about and our identity. … We're going to stay true to who we are, and if you're somebody that doesn't feel comfortable with that, then no, this isn't the job for you.

"I'm not going to be in a hurry," Campbell continued. "I'm not in a mad dash. No matter what happens, I want to do what's right by our team and what I believe is going to — those guys will be able to stand in front of that room and command respect and get everybody going in the same direction and will, ultimately, deliver the same message that I'm delivering."

Of note, Campbell not only reaffirmed his commitment and belief in Goff on Monday, but acknowledged the QB would have an important role in deciding any potential replacement for Johnson.

"I want his input," Campbell said. "To me that's important. That's what Ben did a great job of, is working — those guys working together. And the system was kind of built from the ground up, and it was to help him, and for him to be a part of.

"So, yeah, that's huge," Campbell said. "He'll have a lot of input. What he says is going to have a — says a lot to me, I should say. Now, is it going to be the ultimate decision? No, it's not, but what he says is going to mean a lot to me."


Bobby...why Goff? Hooker should decide who the next OC should be.
 
the summary of yesterday's press conference

Detroit Football Network

Lions' Campbell wants philosophical continuity with potential coordinator replacements, would consult Goff on OC
https://substack.com/@detroitfootballnetwork
Justin Rogers

Allen Park — There are six head coach openings across the NFL and Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell is braced for two to be filled by his coordinators, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn.

"I would expect to lose both, but I haven't been told anything," Campbell clarified. "I just — I've got a feeling, but I'm prepared to lose both."

Every NFL offseason brings change, but none figure to significantly impact Detroit's future more than a potential coaching staff shakeup. Detroit's offense and quarterback Jared Goff have flourished under Johnson's stewardship, finishing top five in scoring each of the past three seasons while setting franchise records in 2024.

The defensive turnaround was unquestionably slower, but Glenn is credited with keeping the unit afloat after it went through the wringer with an inordinate number of injuries in 2024. Additionally, he was ranked as the top coordinator in an NFLPA survey a year ago.

If one or both depart, Campbell said it will be up to him to prevent a disruption in the franchise's staying power as a perennial contender.

"That's my job, is to replenish and find the next man up and the guy who's going to give us the best chance to have success on both sides of the ball," Campbell said. "We're not going to allow that to happen. I'm not.

"Does it hurt to lose those guys? Absolutely," Campbell said. "They're a part of what we've been here. I mean, they've been here for four years. They're one of the major reasons why we've been able to get to where we've been, man. We came out of the dump and got to where we're at. So I will forever be grateful for those guys and our team will. And is it a loss? Absolutely, it's a loss, but yet, man, we move forward. This train rolls on and I'll find the next best guys for us."

Campbell learned some valuable lessons about picking the right coordinators early in his tenure. When he arrived in 2021, he took a misstep by bringing Anthony Lynn on board to lead the offense. It wasn't so much the hire Campbell regrets, but not being more hands-on with shaping the philosophical approach.

"I need to be part of the whole process," Campbell said about the mistake of deferring too heavily to Lynn in 2021. "There was a number of things when that transition took place, 'Hey, your offense, you call it, I'll have some things I want.' Then I'm with (general manager) Brad (Holmes) because we're getting ready for the draft, looking for players, free agency, and so you kind of allow those things to happen, and it's a blind spot and it shouldn't be because that's my area of expertise, if you will. So, I'm not going to allow that to happen, I'm going to be involved no matter what because I think that's best for our offense."

If the Lions need to replace either of their coordinators, philosophy will be key. In the past, Campbell has said the schemes aren't as important as a willingness to put personnel in the best positions to succeed. Still, on Monday, the coach emphasized some schematic preferences, particularly on defense, highlighting a desire to continue playing heavy man coverage attached to pressure rush packages. Those are a pair of Glenn calling cards.

There's also a question about whether Campbell would seek to replace his coordinators with internal or external options. He noted plenty of qualified individuals are currently on staff, but he won't rush to backfill the roles before diligently considering outside candidates.

"I think we've got guys on staff that I think are more than qualified and would be outstanding in those roles, but that does not mean that I'm not looking outside either," Campbell said. "I want what I believe is going to be as close to what we have been as possible, and we don't lose what we're about and our identity. … We're going to stay true to who we are, and if you're somebody that doesn't feel comfortable with that, then no, this isn't the job for you.

"I'm not going to be in a hurry," Campbell continued. "I'm not in a mad dash. No matter what happens, I want to do what's right by our team and what I believe is going to — those guys will be able to stand in front of that room and command respect and get everybody going in the same direction and will, ultimately, deliver the same message that I'm delivering."

Of note, Campbell not only reaffirmed his commitment and belief in Goff on Monday, but acknowledged the QB would have an important role in deciding any potential replacement for Johnson.

"I want his input," Campbell said. "To me that's important. That's what Ben did a great job of, is working — those guys working together. And the system was kind of built from the ground up, and it was to help him, and for him to be a part of.

"So, yeah, that's huge," Campbell said. "He'll have a lot of input. What he says is going to have a — says a lot to me, I should say. Now, is it going to be the ultimate decision? No, it's not, but what he says is going to mean a lot to me."


Bobby...why Goff? Hooker should decide who the next OC should be.
Dan Campbell must not know about the QBs competing for the starting job.
 
I'm less worried about losing Glenn than Johnson. Plenty of good DC out there. Probably even some better ones.

Johnson, on the other hand, is one of the most innovative OC's out there. Those don't grow on trees as often.
 

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