2025 Detroit Lions: 5-2 Lions beat Bucs with 4th string secondary. (137 Viewers)

[2Young2BBald]

Solid win, sloppy at times but a win's a win. The only downside was DJ Reed's injury. He won't be back anytime soon.

Big bummer. He was on track for a game ball if he kept it up.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

With the Packers/Cowboys 40-40 tie, Lions are now in first place.

 

[Zeppelin]

Forward down the field,
A charging team that will not yield.
And when the Blue and Silver wave,
Stand and cheer the brave.
Rah, Rah, Rah.
Go hard, win the game.
With honor you will keep your fame.
Down the field and gain,
A Lion victory!

 

[Ilov80s]

Solid win, sloppy at times but a win's a win. The only downside was DJ Reed's injury. He won't be back anytime soon.

I’m just praying it’s not a torn ACL and we can get him back at some point this year. He’s been playing fantastic.

 

[Zeppelin]

Solid win, sloppy at times but a win's a win. The only downside was DJ Reed's injury. He won't be back anytime soon.

I’m just praying it’s not a torn ACL and we can get him back at some point this year. He’s been playing fantastic.

They said it was a hamstring.

 

[rockaction]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

 

[Zeppelin]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

They lost 3 more defensive starters yesterday and Lamar Jackson.

 

[Payne]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

 

[rockaction]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

Excellent road win because of the environs and the organization, but heck, Payne, it was your criticism I was responding to last week.

That’s kind of a lol moment as I pause for my morning constitutional.

 

[rockaction]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

They lost 3 more defensive starters yesterday and Lamar Jackson.

True that if you’re speaking in generalities about Baltimore qua Baltimore, but if you’re saying that’s why KC won and Detroit faced a full boat, then I woulxx DC remind you Lamar and one other’s happened after Baltimore pooped on themselves Sunday. They were just leaving to clean themselves up, metaphorically speaking.

 

[Payne]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

Excellent road win because of the environs and the organization, but heck, Payne, it was your criticism I was responding to last week.

That’s kind of a lol moment as I pause for my morning constitutional.

I can be critical and still believe a Monday night win on the road against Balitmore is a good win.

 

[Da Guru]

NFL has it out for Branch. First of all this should have never been a penalty.


On Saturday, September 27, the NFL announced that it’s fining Lions player Brian Branch $11,598 for “unnecessary Roughness” for a “low block.” Looking at footage, even ESPN Football Rules Analyst Russell Yurk said during the broadcast of the game that he thought it was a bad call. It appears that Branch wasn’t even trying to block. He just fell, and the other player tripped over him.

 

[jon_mx]

Seems like the DJ Reed situation is about as positive as it could have been. No surgery. Maybe IR. Speculation is 4 to 6 weeks.

 

[msudaisy26]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

Excellent road win because of the environs and the organization, but heck, Payne, it was your criticism I was responding to last week.

That’s kind of a lol moment as I pause for my morning constitutional.

I can be critical and still believe a Monday night win on the road against Balitmore is a good win.

Exactly. I love my family, but I don't like everything they do and sometimes they need to hear it.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

I agree for now, but I wonder if we look back on it the way we look at the Dallas game last year. A lot less impressive than it seemed in the moment

 

[msudaisy26]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

I agree for now, but I wonder if we look back on it the way we look at the Dallas game last year. A lot less impressive than it seemed in the moment

I wouldn't worry about it. You can only play who is on the schedule and when they are on the schedule. This isn't the NCAA where style points count.

 

[Zeppelin]

Lions DT Alim McNeill could return to practice this week

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Paywalled but I think you can get the gist from the headline:

Lions' Isaac TeSlaa gets free truck from Ford after jaw-dropping plays

 

[jon_mx]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

I agree for now, but I wonder if we look back on it the way we look at the Dallas game last year. A lot less impressive than it seemed in the moment

Being to the point where a dominating win in Baltimore is not impressive, is itself impressive. When you have a great team, you are expected to win every game. The only thing that will be 'impressive' is to win the Super Bowl at this point. I am not sure Detroit needs to prove anything to anyone at this point. They are a damn good team who is in everyone's top tier.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

I agree for now, but I wonder if we look back on it the way we look at the Dallas game last year. A lot less impressive than it seemed in the moment

Being to the point where a dominating win in Baltimore is not impressive, is itself impressive. When you have a great team, you are expected to win every game. The only thing that will be 'impressive' is to win the Super Bowl at this point. I am not sure Detroit needs to prove anything to anyone at this point. They are a damn good team who is in everyone's top tier.

It's interesting. I've been going back and forth on this point since preseason. I was listening to The Athletic Football Show's season preview, and for each team they would answer the question, "What does success look like?" My initial thought was that anything short of a Super Bowl win will be disappointing, because we can never be sure how long windows stay open, and Detroit's core is going to start getting very expensive in the next year or so. But the podcast hosts' answer for Detroit was that success is moving into the KC/Buffalo/Ravens tier where you can just pencil them in as contenders every single year.

While I know that any Lions' postseason loss will be crushing for me (with at least a hint of existential dread creeping in), I also think they have a point as well. Two years ago the Lions were run off the field by Baltimore (admittedly after beating KC); now there's a feeling that they can go toe-to-toe with any other team, and that's not nothing.

 

[rockaction]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

Excellent road win because of the environs and the organization, but heck, Payne, it was your criticism I was responding to last week.

That’s kind of a lol moment as I pause for my morning constitutional.

I can be critical and still believe a Monday night win on the road against Balitmore is a good win.

Sure you can. I didn't say it wasn't a good win. I didn't say you wouldn't say it was a good win. It just seemed odd that you would respond to me out of the blue with saying Baltimore was a good win when a) I never even alluded to whether it was or wasn't and b) I'm not the one who brought up that Baltimore might not be very good in this very thread a few days earlier. It seems odd to reply to me about something I didn't even address when you had just said days earlier:

Great win, though I am starting to question just how good Baltimore is.

This post shows a lot about your character.

It's been three games.
Let's not forget they did lose to GB just two weeks ago. And maybe Baltimore isn't who we all thought they were. They sure don't appear to be.
It's a long season. I wouldn't go patting yourself on the back quite yet. The Lions played a near flawless game. Maybe their best under this regime.

It's just a weird way to respond to somebody when you've said and then reiterated the same exact sentiment.

 

[Payne]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

Excellent road win because of the environs and the organization, but heck, Payne, it was your criticism I was responding to last week.

That’s kind of a lol moment as I pause for my morning constitutional.

I can be critical and still believe a Monday night win on the road against Balitmore is a good win.

Sure you can. I didn't say it wasn't a good win. I didn't say you wouldn't say it was a good win. It just seemed odd that you would respond to me out of the blue with saying Baltimore was a good win when a) I never even alluded to whether it was or wasn't and b) I'm not the one who brought up that Baltimore might not be very good in this very thread a few days earlier. It seems odd to reply to me about something I didn't even address when you had just said days earlier:

Great win, though I am starting to question just how good Baltimore is.

This post shows a lot about your character.

It's been three games.
Let's not forget they did lose to GB just two weeks ago. And maybe Baltimore isn't who we all thought they were. They sure don't appear to be.
It's a long season. I wouldn't go patting yourself on the back quite yet. The Lions played a near flawless game. Maybe their best under this regime.

It's just a weird way to respond to somebody when you've said and then reiterated the same exact sentiment.

I think any Monday Night Football win on the road is a good win. Those are tough games.

The first quote you referenced above is how I felt about the win. I felt it was a great win. They needed it. It was on the road against Lamar.
Defense played well. Interior of the O Line looked much improved.
However, that was two poor outings in three weeks by Baltimore. They gave up a ton to Buffalo and now Detroit. So I questioned how good Baltimore really is.

The second quote you referred to was in reply to a post by Bobby Lane. You can go back and see what he said.

 

[rockaction]

Hey guys, that whole "Baltimore is a good team" thing?

That might need a quick re-visit if everybody is okay with it.

Baltimore is a trainwreck, but it was still a good win on the road if you ask me.

Excellent road win because of the environs and the organization, but heck, Payne, it was your criticism I was responding to last week.

That’s kind of a lol moment as I pause for my morning constitutional.

I can be critical and still believe a Monday night win on the road against Balitmore is a good win.

Sure you can. I didn't say it wasn't a good win. I didn't say you wouldn't say it was a good win. It just seemed odd that you would respond to me out of the blue with saying Baltimore was a good win when a) I never even alluded to whether it was or wasn't and b) I'm not the one who brought up that Baltimore might not be very good in this very thread a few days earlier. It seems odd to reply to me about something I didn't even address when you had just said days earlier:

Great win, though I am starting to question just how good Baltimore is.

This post shows a lot about your character.

It's been three games.
Let's not forget they did lose to GB just two weeks ago. And maybe Baltimore isn't who we all thought they were. They sure don't appear to be.
It's a long season. I wouldn't go patting yourself on the back quite yet. The Lions played a near flawless game. Maybe their best under this regime.

It's just a weird way to respond to somebody when you've said and then reiterated the same exact sentiment.

I think any Monday Night Football win on the road is a good win. Those are tough games.

The first quote you referenced above is how I felt about the win. I felt it was a great win. They needed it. It was on the road against Lamar.
Defense played well. Interior of the O Line looked much improved.
However, that was two poor outings in three weeks by Baltimore. They gave up a ton to Buffalo and now Detroit. So I questioned how good Baltimore really is.

The second quote you referred to was in reply to a post by Bobby Lane. You can go back and see what he said.

Oh no, I know the context of it.

It's no problem regardless. I just . . . never mind. It's fine by me.

 

[Zeppelin]

Alim McNeill begins practicing, Lions start 21-day evaluation window

 

[jon_mx]

DJ goes to IR, so will be out at least 4 weeks. That was expected and means they have confidence he will be able to return.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

 

[msudaisy26]

Alim McNeill begins practicing, Lions start 21-day evaluation window

I hope he is ready because right now they are fine without him. I would rather err on the side of caution and have him a full go for the playoffs.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

 

[Payne]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

That's your opinion. If you ask me, and many others, that window is smaller than you think.

Brad did a fantastic job of building this team. NOBODY is going to argue that.
I question whether he has done everything in his power to win a Super Bowl. That answer is no.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

You are negative on everything. They are building the foundation of a dynasty. I did not say they were a dynasty. Last year was their first year they were targetting but got sidetracked by an historically insane amount of injuries, which of course you somehow poo-poo as normal. But the foundation of what they are building is setup to be sustainable for another 3 to 4 years, during which they will be building the next pieces. I am not sure what is so hard to understand about this. The Lions have put together an elite organization with longterm goals and it does not take 10 years of hindsight before it can be acknowledged.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

That's your opinion. If you ask me, and many others, that window is smaller than you think.

Brad did a fantastic job of building this team. NOBODY is going to argue that.
I question whether he has done everything in his power to win a Super Bowl. That answer is no.

There goal is to be competitive every year to win a Super Bowl and then to win more than one. The idea that Brad has not done enough really blows my mind. The guy has been an absolute wizard and has outperformed every GM in the league. Just because he does not share your idea that the Lions need to go all-in in a particular year and throw away their vision of building a long-term success, doesn't mean he is nkt doing enough. Going all in in a single year is actually a much riskier way to win a Super Bowl.

 

[swabs]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

The chances of winning 1 go up significantly if youre in the playoffs every year ....

 

[Payne]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

That's your opinion. If you ask me, and many others, that window is smaller than you think.

Brad did a fantastic job of building this team. NOBODY is going to argue that.
I question whether he has done everything in his power to win a Super Bowl. That answer is no.

There goal is to be competitive every year to win a Super Bowl and then to win more than one. The idea that Brad has not done enough really blows my mind. The guy has been an absolute wizard and has outperformed every GM in the league. Just because he does not share your idea that the Lions need to go all-in in a particular year and throw away their vision of building a long-term success, doesn't mean he is nkt doing enough. Going all in in a single year is actually a much riskier way to win a Super Bowl.

Again, this is your opinion and that's fine. But do not speak as if you are providing hard facts and truths because you're not.
Just as you are blaming MSUDaisy for always being negative, there are some on here who believe Brad can do no wrong.
And he has not outperformed Howie Rosemond. Sorry. The Eagles won last year and were interested in Micah.
They are never satisfied. They went and signed Z Smith. Brad, meanwhile, is content. "We good"

I have given Brad plenty of credit. He has done an amazing job.

And nobody said go all in for one year. You can draft, sign or trade for an edge that will be here longer than one year.
They didn't address it.

Plenty of teams have made big moves and gone on to win a Super Bowl. This has been discussed back and forth on here at nauseum.
The Eagles with Brown.
The Bucs with Brady
The Rams with Stafford. Who made that trade, won a Super Bowl, and are arguably on the same level as the Lions again.
The Eagles with Saquon.

In fact, I would argue the only team who has won a Super Bowl this decade without making a big move has been KC and that Mahomes guy.

Can they win a Super Bowl? Sure. But let me ask you this, would they have a better chance this year had they acquired an edge opposite Hutch?
Because if you answer yes, then Brad did not do everything in his power to win did he?

And the fairytale of keeping everyone is just that. They can't afford everyone. Especially after paying Jamo that money.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

You are negative on everything. They are building the foundation of a dynasty. I did not say they were a dynasty. Last year was their first year they were targetting but got sidetracked by an historically insane amount of injuries, which of course you somehow poo-poo as normal. But the foundation of what they are building is setup to be sustainable for another 3 to 4 years, during which they will be building the next pieces. I am not sure what is so hard to understand about this. The Lions have put together an elite organization with longterm goals and it does not take 10 years of hindsight before it can be acknowledged.

I am not negative, I just don't think everything is perfect like you do. The foundation of a dynasty in today's NFL is an all time great QB and sorry to be negative Goff isn't that. He is very good.

You know what else helps making a dynasty? Good free agent signings and the Lions don't really do that, because when a team does have a bad draft you need something to fill in and look out negativity alert. The 2024 class looks bad other than Mahogney.

I didn't dismiss their injuries. They were very fortunate on the offensive side. If they just have normal injury luck or even very good luck do they for sure win the super bowl? You think so and I think that is wrong. The defense didn't turn it over 5 times against the Commanders.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

The chances of winning 1 go up significantly if youre in the playoffs every year ....

Very fair, but when you refuse to go get anyone in free agency to help your weak spots because 2027 is coming hurts your chances just as much. I would rather be Eagles or Rams the last few years where they went for and rebuilt on the fly after going for it then just be pretty good all of the time.

 

[kutta]

All I can say is it’s WAY more fun having a conversation about playoffs and superbowl than what we’ve been talking about for the last 60 years.

 

[joey]

The Raiders season is falling apart yet again. I’ve always rooted for the Lions as my “2nd team” but it’s time for me to follow them more closely to really enjoy the ride this year. I do have Goff on one of my superflex dynasty rosters, so there’s that.
Thanks for having me over. Your place looks great.

 

[msudaisy26]

All I can say is it’s WAY more fun having a conversation about playoffs and superbowl than what we’ve been talking about for the last 60 years.

Okay, but I would rather be a Redskins fan in the 90's then a Bills fan during the same decade.

 

[msudaisy26]

The Raiders season is falling apart yet again. I’ve always rooted for the Lions as my “2nd team” but it’s time for me to follow them more closely to really enjoy the ride this year. I do have Goff on one of my superflex dynasty rosters, so there’s that.
Thanks for having me over. Your place looks great.

Good to have you on board. One favor though. I know he's managing a knee issue, but can you get Brock Bowers a TD for my fantasy team?

Tell him to put on the other teams jersey and I guarantee Geno finds several times.

 

[joey]

The Raiders season is falling apart yet again. I’ve always rooted for the Lions as my “2nd team” but it’s time for me to follow them more closely to really enjoy the ride this year. I do have Goff on one of my superflex dynasty rosters, so there’s that.
Thanks for having me over. Your place looks great.

Good to have you on board. One favor though. I know he's managing a knee issue, but can you get Brock Bowers a TD for my fantasy team?

Tell him to put on the other teams jersey and I guarantee Geno finds several times.

lol. Geno plus the high-school level Oline is ruining it for everyone. I’ll put in a call though and see what I can do.

In exchange if y’all could turn the Lions great wins into fantasy stats for Goff, that would be great.

 

[jon_mx]

I get it. It is great to express an opinion that Brad has not done enough to win a Super Bowl, but it is terrible to point out what the Lions long term philosophy is and why the Lions are not making the sexy quick-fix high dollar moves.

Everyone GM ever has done something wrong. That comes with having to make judgements on hundreds of players. But damn, the job Brad has done is undeniably absolutely incredible. To nitpick and criticize him and tell him how to do his job is beyomd silly. Brad has complete insight into the roster, understands the ins and outs of the salary cap, who they want to extend, on speed dial to every GM, a great eye for college prospects and manuevering the draft...I honestly have no idea what more the man can do prove himself. He is the GM that Lions fans have dreamed of.

 

[jon_mx]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

The chances of winning 1 go up significantly if youre in the playoffs every year ....

Very fair, but when you refuse to go get anyone in free agency to help your weak spots because 2027 is coming hurts your chances just as much. I would rather be Eagles or Rams the last few years where they went for and rebuilt on the fly after going for it then just be pretty good all of the time.

There was not a free agent signing last year who would have filled multiple holes in the DL, LB, and CB positions. The Lions were 15-2 last year. That is better than pretty good. The last part of the season the Lions defense was virtually amputated. They had more than enough talent to win barring the onslaught of injuries. As far as Jamo, in 3 years WR salaries will be $10 million higher and the cap will be $60 million plus higher.

You really don't think Brad and Dan know who and when they are going to extend and have a complete road map to signing all their foundational pieces?

I have 1000x more faith in what Brad and Dan have planned for the team than the 20 clickbait wannabe GMs who hype every possible defensive free agent.

And the Rams and Eagle absolutely did not rebuild on the fly. They have been some of the best drafting teams for a long while with lots of talent build from within.

 

[Ilov80s]

Lions were the best team in the NFL last year. I have no doubt about it. The D just got brutalized with injuries. Eagles don't win if they had the same level of injuries either.

 

[msudaisy26]

I am not a big fan of viewing what the Lions have as a narrow window. They have locked up key players like Goff, Penei, and St. through 2028 and 2029. Holmes is not trying to go all in any single year. He is building a foundation of a team that is more of a dynasty.

I am not a big fan of building a dynasty before you have even won your first Super Bowl. Do that first and then worry about the dynasty.

I am a huge fan of everything Holmes/Campbell/Sheila have done and see some have a hard time ridding themselves if the SOL mentality.

What are you talking about? To be a dynasty in the NFL you need to win three super bowls in about a decade. The Lions have zero. Win one and then work on the dynasty.

The chances of winning 1 go up significantly if youre in the playoffs every year ....

Very fair, but when you refuse to go get anyone in free agency to help your weak spots because 2027 is coming hurts your chances just as much. I would rather be Eagles or Rams the last few years where they went for and rebuilt on the fly after going for it then just be pretty good all of the time.

There was not a free agent signing last year who would have filled multiple holes in the DL, LB, and CB positions. The Lions were 15-2 last year. That is better than pretty good. The last part of the season the Lions defense was virtually amputated. They had more than enough talent to win barring the onslaught of injuries. As far as Jamo, in 3 years WR salaries will be $10 million higher and the cap will be $60 million plus higher.

You really don't think Brad and Dan know who and when they are going to extend and have a complete road map to signing all their foundational pieces?

I have 1000x more faith in what Brad and Dan have planned for the team than the 20 clickbait wannabe GMs who hype every possible defensive free agent.

And the Rams and Eagle absolutely did not rebuild on the fly. They have been some of the best drafting teams for a long while with lots of talent build from within.

They absolutely rebuilt on the fly, drafting is part of rebuilding and there where a ton of free agent pass rushers they could have brought in and helped. Cheap ones and expensive.

 

[msudaisy26]

Lions were the best team in the NFL last year. I have no doubt about it. The D just got brutalized with injuries. Eagles don't win if they had the same level of injuries either.

I disagree teams that turns the ball over five times in a playoff game rarely wins and you guys act like there wasn't a handful of of other teams that weren't 15 -2 and 14 and 3 in the league.

 

[Ilov80s]

Lions were the best team in the NFL last year. I have no doubt about it. The D just got brutalized with injuries. Eagles don't win if they had the same level of injuries either.

I disagree teams that turns the ball over five times in a playoff game rarely wins and you guys act like there wasn't a handful of of other teams that weren't 15 -2 and 14 and 3 in the league.

The playoff game plays out very differently if the Lions weren't missing a dozen defensive players

 

[msudaisy26]

Lions were the best team in the NFL last year. I have no doubt about it. The D just got brutalized with injuries. Eagles don't win if they had the same level of injuries either.

I disagree teams that turns the ball over five times in a playoff game rarely wins and you guys act like there wasn't a handful of of other teams that weren't 15 -2 and 14 and 3 in the league.

The playoff game plays out very differently if the Lions weren't missing a dozen defensive players

You don't know that and you don't know if they beat an Eagles team that was dominant. You just want to believe that.

 

[jon_mx]

Lions were the best team in the NFL last year. I have no doubt about it. The D just got brutalized with injuries. Eagles don't win if they had the same level of injuries either.

I disagree teams that turns the ball over five times in a playoff game rarely wins and you guys act like there wasn't a handful of of other teams that weren't 15 -2 and 14 and 3 in the league.

The playoff game plays out very differently if the Lions weren't missing a dozen defensive players

You don't know that and you don't know if they beat an Eagles team that was dominant. You just want to believe that.

Lions were the best team in the NFL last year. I have no doubt about it. The D just got brutalized with injuries. Eagles don't win if they had the same level of injuries either.

I disagree teams that turns the ball over five times in a playoff game rarely wins and you guys act like there wasn't a handful of of other teams that weren't 15 -2 and 14 and 3 in the league.

Chiefs 15-2
Eagles 14-3
Vikings 14-3

Lions were clearly better than the Vikings. The others were debatable.