King of the Jungle
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2025 Miami Dolphins - Draft 2025 (2 Viewers)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's not good KJ
-Right now the starting left side of Miami's OL is LT-Patrick Paul #55 in the Draft last year and ranked very low by PFF during his time on the field. Miami did draft him 2nd Rd last year
The LG is Liam Eichenberg who was resigned for a paltry $2M and is entering his 5th season as one of the lowest rated OG in the NFL
LT-Paul
LG-Eichenberg
C-Brewer
RG-James Shields from Pitt and missed 3/4 of the season
RT-Austin Jackson, missed over half of last season
-Phins have like 9 or 10 picks int he Draft, I see them targeting Trapillo from BC, Grant from W&M, they're gonna have to try and look at guys like that
I hope they don't go OL in the 1st unless they trade back a few spots. They need multiple 2nd round selections to shore things up
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jackson Carman, a Top 50 pick in 2021 was signed in March for $1.1M to compete at Left Tackle
Well that sounds promising
Well that sounds promising
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Yeah, it is going to take some work and some luck to get things aligned on the front. I agree, their current draft position is probably not placing them in position to take a lineman (from a value standpoint). Hopefully they able to trade down, get decent value and gain picks in the process. Selfishly I don’t want to have to watch Achane run into a brick wall all next year.
jtd13
Footballguy
Too early to say, but probably. I think we'd all be happier with the RB at pick 78 in this year's draft, or whatever pick they gave up for a 2024 4th to take him.
I expect Miami to draft a grinder on day 3 (Martinez if he's there, Jordan James, Ollie Gordon) and Wright to be kind of swing back who can fill in for either Achane or the grinder.
rockaction
Footballguy
Speak for yourself. The more quick hitters they throw to Jonnu Smith the better my fantasy team in a TEP league will be. Part of the reason for so much Jonnu usage last year was double high safeties taking Tyreek and Waddle away while the OL was porous and caused Tua to constantly throw five-eight yard passes to Jonnu.
Moar pls
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1.13 CB Jahdae Barron or WR Tetairoa McMillan on the idea Miami trades Tyreek Hill
-Weaker WR class of sorts but you shouldn't turn your nose up at all of them.
McMillan is 6-4/220+ would add some much needed size at one of the starting WR spots
I like Barron because he can be a defensive starter we draft that will actually see his 2nd contract here.
Go look at he depth charts for Philly, KC and Det, they're loaded with players the team drafted not a bunch if free agents or 1 year plugs
I'm tired of no consistency so I want to see the team draft players we'll have the long haul.
DB doesn't seem to be mentioned much for Dolphins' needs but we have Kohou and Duckie starting right now with Cam Smith behind them at CB and NB, not good.
We have 10 picks in the draft, we can address the holes in both the OL and DL later, this is an impact pick and we need to hit a home run desperately
What do I think Miami will actually do? Kenny Grant, DT from Michigan would be a safe pick for them but IDL is so deep, they can easily find a solid choice in the 2nd round
So while I like Grant a lot, might be the better DT vs Graham going higher, it would be a wasted pick in a way for a team that has a lot of holes they need to address
Holes they didn't address last year and things are only getting worse
-Weaker WR class of sorts but you shouldn't turn your nose up at all of them.
McMillan is 6-4/220+ would add some much needed size at one of the starting WR spots
I like Barron because he can be a defensive starter we draft that will actually see his 2nd contract here.
Go look at he depth charts for Philly, KC and Det, they're loaded with players the team drafted not a bunch if free agents or 1 year plugs
I'm tired of no consistency so I want to see the team draft players we'll have the long haul.
DB doesn't seem to be mentioned much for Dolphins' needs but we have Kohou and Duckie starting right now with Cam Smith behind them at CB and NB, not good.
We have 10 picks in the draft, we can address the holes in both the OL and DL later, this is an impact pick and we need to hit a home run desperately
What do I think Miami will actually do? Kenny Grant, DT from Michigan would be a safe pick for them but IDL is so deep, they can easily find a solid choice in the 2nd round
So while I like Grant a lot, might be the better DT vs Graham going higher, it would be a wasted pick in a way for a team that has a lot of holes they need to address
Holes they didn't address last year and things are only getting worse
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Police called on Tyreek Hill after it emerges his wife wants divorce
The Miami wide receiver was described as 'very aggressive and impulsive' by the mother of his wife, who feared for the safety of her daughter.
This doesn't sound good
nightmare
Footballguy
It's a nothing burger.Police called on Tyreek Hill after it emerges his wife wants divorce
The Miami wide receiver was described as 'very aggressive and impulsive' by the mother of his wife, who feared for the safety of her daughter.www.dailymail.co.uk
This doesn't sound good
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Police were summoned, I wouldn't call it nothingIt's a nothing burger.Police called on Tyreek Hill after it emerges his wife wants divorce
The Miami wide receiver was described as 'very aggressive and impulsive' by the mother of his wife, who feared for the safety of her daughter.
This doesn't sound good
The NFL could still investigate. It's 2 witnesses, his wife and MIL, versus Tyreek.
>>Although both Hill and his wife stated the argument never turned physical, officers said they observed a bruise on Keeta Hill’s upper chest.
She told them it may have happened unintentionally when Hill took the baby from her, according to the report. Officers noted the child appeared to be in good health.<<
Unlikely the wife pursues this further, she should get adequate child support. If Hill bought the Sunny Isles condo while married, his soon to be ex-wife could have some rights. The Porsche Design Tower allows owners to "ride up the elevator in their cars and are placed into their own "garage" adjacent to their unit."
She may qualify for limited alimony. Has Hill been listening to Drew?
SwampDawg
Footballguy
My round 1 odds:
Kelvin Banks, OT/G, Texas - 50%
Jahdae Barron, CB, Texas - 15%
Will Johnson CB, Michigan - 10%
Walter Nolen, DT, Ole Miss - 10%
Grey Zabel, OT, North Dakota State - 5%
Trade Down - 5%
Other - 5%
These aren't who I think they should take, purely my take after reading a bunch of mocks and break downs who I think they will take. I see a lot of people say DT, Graham will be long gone and other then Nolen the others seem more likely if they trade back into the 20's. The problem is I don't think anyone will stand out enough at 13 that teams will want to trade up. The OL and DL after the top few seems like a whole bunch of the same guy.
Kelvin Banks, OT/G, Texas - 50%
Jahdae Barron, CB, Texas - 15%
Will Johnson CB, Michigan - 10%
Walter Nolen, DT, Ole Miss - 10%
Grey Zabel, OT, North Dakota State - 5%
Trade Down - 5%
Other - 5%
These aren't who I think they should take, purely my take after reading a bunch of mocks and break downs who I think they will take. I see a lot of people say DT, Graham will be long gone and other then Nolen the others seem more likely if they trade back into the 20's. The problem is I don't think anyone will stand out enough at 13 that teams will want to trade up. The OL and DL after the top few seems like a whole bunch of the same guy.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Bottom line, I would prefer a trade down, but I think that the dolphins are sitting in a good spot to get a draft "faller" with some of the skill guys who seem to be rising up boards before the draft starts.
Guys I like: any CB with a round 1 grade, Banks, Zabel, Nolen. On a trade down add the other Oregon OT and the Michigan DT to the list.
No where do we need a RB, WR, TE, and I'm ok with either of the safeties but I prefer some of the other guys later in the draft.
Guys like MBOW and Farmer I like for our lines, and there are a lot of zone corners and safeties on the second and third day of the draft. Same goes for Centers. Lots of Day 3 centeres with a lot of experience
SwampDawg
Footballguy
Michigan DT Kenneth Grant was selected by the Miami Dolphins with the 13th overall pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.
USA Today - Grade C; A magnet for double teams and a force against the run, the 6-4, 331-pounder will certainly make his presence felt for a Dolphins team needing to create more of a push up front. But Grant still has substantial work to do to harness his considerable athleticism in pass-rushing scenarios, and he might never be a prolific playmaker in the backfield. That makes this pick a little rich in a class that's long on interior defenders who can hold the point of attack.
Yahoo Sports - Grade B-; Kenneth Grant is a big, athletic nose tackle that will help the Dolphins get more physical against the run immediately. Grant has some pass rush upside that’s unusual for a 330-pound defensive tackle, but Miami’s offensive tackle situation is in such a tough spot.
CBS Sports - Grade B+; The Dolphins had to get an interior defensive lineman and Grant fits in perfectly. He is a big, power player who can line up next to Zach Sieler. I like this pick for a team desperate for defensive line help.
Just a few of the reactions. It's hard to argue against the pick even if it isn't a wow pick. Once you got past number 5, maybe number 6 if you think Jeanty is that special the next 15 or 20 guys all seem to grade out about the same by most so it really comes down to who you like best when your pick comes up. DT is a position of need for sure and it's not a reach pick that you shake your head and question (ie. Ted Ginn)
USA Today - Grade C; A magnet for double teams and a force against the run, the 6-4, 331-pounder will certainly make his presence felt for a Dolphins team needing to create more of a push up front. But Grant still has substantial work to do to harness his considerable athleticism in pass-rushing scenarios, and he might never be a prolific playmaker in the backfield. That makes this pick a little rich in a class that's long on interior defenders who can hold the point of attack.
Yahoo Sports - Grade B-; Kenneth Grant is a big, athletic nose tackle that will help the Dolphins get more physical against the run immediately. Grant has some pass rush upside that’s unusual for a 330-pound defensive tackle, but Miami’s offensive tackle situation is in such a tough spot.
CBS Sports - Grade B+; The Dolphins had to get an interior defensive lineman and Grant fits in perfectly. He is a big, power player who can line up next to Zach Sieler. I like this pick for a team desperate for defensive line help.
Just a few of the reactions. It's hard to argue against the pick even if it isn't a wow pick. Once you got past number 5, maybe number 6 if you think Jeanty is that special the next 15 or 20 guys all seem to grade out about the same by most so it really comes down to who you like best when your pick comes up. DT is a position of need for sure and it's not a reach pick that you shake your head and question (ie. Ted Ginn)
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I’m a Michigan guy, so I’ve seen a ton of Grant. He’s the very definition of a safe pick that fills a need. He is ridiculously fast for a 330 pound guy. Beast against the run.
I would be more ok with the pick if we would have traded down and got him, but we don’t know if they tried or not. Seems like players 12ish thru 30 were all kinda evenly grouped, so there may not have been many teams looking to trade up.
I get it isn’t a need, but I really wanted them to go BPA with Warren falling to them. If Warren was gone, I’d really be more than ok with this pick. Best hope is Grant can be what Wilkins was for us.
Need to address the offensive line and secondary today obviously.
I would be more ok with the pick if we would have traded down and got him, but we don’t know if they tried or not. Seems like players 12ish thru 30 were all kinda evenly grouped, so there may not have been many teams looking to trade up.
I get it isn’t a need, but I really wanted them to go BPA with Warren falling to them. If Warren was gone, I’d really be more than ok with this pick. Best hope is Grant can be what Wilkins was for us.
Need to address the offensive line and secondary today obviously.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It's easy to argue the selection because there are tons of DT in the 2nd round that would be just as good for Miami and they could have had a shut down CB in Barron but watched him go to Denver to make a lethal pairing with Surtain, the Dolphins once again show a lack of ability to see the entire playing field in these drafts
Waste at 13 if you ask me when you have so many names along the DLine
I'd even argue Landon Jackson, the 6-7/280 lb Edge/DE would have made a nice pillar alongside Sieler who tips the scales at close to 300.
Jackson is going in the 2nd round, there are/were so many options here.
Not impressed at all, yes it fills a need on 1st and perhaps 2nd down, doubt we see a 350 lb Nose Tackle out there on 3rd down unless its short yardage
Kind of a role player more than a frontline starter
Grier doesn't deserve more than a "C" for this pick, anyone could have made it and I actually like other DTs better in this draft
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
CB 1- Storm Duck
CB 2- Cam Smith
NB - Kader Kohou
The good news is we're going 2-15 and maybe we can lure Arch Manning away from making $5M a year at Ole Miss, likely closer to $10M at this point
Miami needed desperately to lock up the Top Corner in this class, Barron fell into their lap and they passed on him, that's going to cripple them.
The FO did pay Tua a lot of money less than a year ago, are they really wanting to tank or get in a better draft spot for next season?
How are they gonna win any games with that starting trio at Corner? Ramsey and the Phins have agreed to part ways so we must face reality
CB 2- Cam Smith
NB - Kader Kohou
The good news is we're going 2-15 and maybe we can lure Arch Manning away from making $5M a year at Ole Miss, likely closer to $10M at this point
Miami needed desperately to lock up the Top Corner in this class, Barron fell into their lap and they passed on him, that's going to cripple them.
The FO did pay Tua a lot of money less than a year ago, are they really wanting to tank or get in a better draft spot for next season?
How are they gonna win any games with that starting trio at Corner? Ramsey and the Phins have agreed to part ways so we must face reality
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Good DTs still available
TJ Sanders
Darius Alexander
Omar Norman Lott
CJ West
Alfred Collins
and there are others like Pegues and Broughton
Miami has two 4th and 5th Rd picks, that would have been a much better time to grab a DT when you have possibly 3 starting holes in the Secondary and I seriously might be short changing them, could be 4 or even 5, I don't trust the new Safeties they signed
Same regime since 2016 that has produced absolutely NOTHING, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, you can't give them the benefit of the doubt on anything, don't credit the Phins as if they didn't get a single phone call to move down so they're victims, they bring it on themselves, shouldn't be in this mess
But Grier pushed a lot of chips in and went for the big time with Hill and Ramsey, OK they tried and they swung and it didn't produce anything in the end, time to move on
Grier gets to start a new rebuild project? Why would they allow him to continue after repeated failures?
TJ Sanders
Darius Alexander
Omar Norman Lott
CJ West
Alfred Collins
and there are others like Pegues and Broughton
Miami has two 4th and 5th Rd picks, that would have been a much better time to grab a DT when you have possibly 3 starting holes in the Secondary and I seriously might be short changing them, could be 4 or even 5, I don't trust the new Safeties they signed
Same regime since 2016 that has produced absolutely NOTHING, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH, you can't give them the benefit of the doubt on anything, don't credit the Phins as if they didn't get a single phone call to move down so they're victims, they bring it on themselves, shouldn't be in this mess
But Grier pushed a lot of chips in and went for the big time with Hill and Ramsey, OK they tried and they swung and it didn't produce anything in the end, time to move on
Grier gets to start a new rebuild project? Why would they allow him to continue after repeated failures?
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Yes Barron would have been a fine pick too. You may be underestimating Grant a bit. Going into the draft, I expected Grant to go in the 20’s to a good organization who scoops up value late in the first round and everyone else groans, ala the Ravens. He’s a better player than the other DT that’ll get drafted tonight. We’ll have to wait and see I guess.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
But he's not even the best DT on his own college football team
I had him going in the 20s as well, not sure what happened to WIll Johnson but he's still on the board
I understand Grant is good but I listed a half dozen guys that are all pretty good that are going tonight.
Grant and any DB tonight vs
Barron and any DT I named that could be taken tonight
The gap between Grant and the other DTs I listed is not as great and won't be felt as much as the difference between Barron and say Revel, Porter or Thomas at DB
Miami Secondary right now is scary and it will still be scary after tonight no matter who they select.
Owner is a Michigan Alum so I wasn't surprised with so many taken last night that Phins would be one of them.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I just don't see the point in this endless cycle of using all our premium draft picks to replace positions we already had good players at, but let walk.
This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but when we have a young stud or good player at a position, we should just pay them. Or find another way to replace them that isn't using our premium draft capital, and spend that on guys that we actually think will help us get BETTER, not guys who will make us get less bad.
If we already weren't good enough to win a Super Bowl with that player, how are we going to be good enough when we use our best way to get better (draft capital) getting a lessor version of that player we already had? It's just an endless cycle of staying mediocre, but in a BEST case scenario, because odds are the guy we draft is going to be significantly worse than that guy we just let walk, and maybe a complete bust.
The cap can be manipulated and figured out via creative accounting. You can't creatively account your way to more 1st round picks. Every year we hear about how the Rams are screwed, how they have no cap space and are going to have to cut all of their good players, yet year after year they find ways to retain those guys and even go shopping for other expensive guys.
I dunno, I'm just jaded by this constant cycle of using our picks to get guys that we hope are as good as the guys we already had when we weren't good enough. What's the absolute best case upside for Kenneth Grant? Maybe in a perfect world he'll be as good as......Christian Wilkins. You know, the guy we already had that didn't make us good enough. And most likely, he'll be worse.
We worry so much about the "cost" of retaining guys but spending a 1st or 2nd round pick to replace them is a "cost" as well, and a very expensive one, especially given that a lot of the time we do it we don't end up getting an adequate replacement at that cost. But it just builds in from the get-go that the best case scenario is that we're going to maintain the status quo, instead of being able to try to use our picks to actually get better.
This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but when we have a young stud or good player at a position, we should just pay them. Or find another way to replace them that isn't using our premium draft capital, and spend that on guys that we actually think will help us get BETTER, not guys who will make us get less bad.
If we already weren't good enough to win a Super Bowl with that player, how are we going to be good enough when we use our best way to get better (draft capital) getting a lessor version of that player we already had? It's just an endless cycle of staying mediocre, but in a BEST case scenario, because odds are the guy we draft is going to be significantly worse than that guy we just let walk, and maybe a complete bust.
The cap can be manipulated and figured out via creative accounting. You can't creatively account your way to more 1st round picks. Every year we hear about how the Rams are screwed, how they have no cap space and are going to have to cut all of their good players, yet year after year they find ways to retain those guys and even go shopping for other expensive guys.
I dunno, I'm just jaded by this constant cycle of using our picks to get guys that we hope are as good as the guys we already had when we weren't good enough. What's the absolute best case upside for Kenneth Grant? Maybe in a perfect world he'll be as good as......Christian Wilkins. You know, the guy we already had that didn't make us good enough. And most likely, he'll be worse.
We worry so much about the "cost" of retaining guys but spending a 1st or 2nd round pick to replace them is a "cost" as well, and a very expensive one, especially given that a lot of the time we do it we don't end up getting an adequate replacement at that cost. But it just builds in from the get-go that the best case scenario is that we're going to maintain the status quo, instead of being able to try to use our picks to actually get better.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
@FreeBaGeL that is one of the best posts in this thread to describe the current situation...I keep bitching and don't always nail it but you did
That is exactly the problem you describe
We lost Wilkins, Van Ginkle, Holland, Hunt and then used a lot of draft capital to bring in Hill and Ramsey, both were acquired using a 1st round pick, a 2nd was added for Hill plus other later round picks to KC and they've been to 3 Super Bowls in a row since they parted with him, add in another 1st round pick the owner was penalized for plus a 3rd
This is what you get and Grier is only being discussed as a future VP even when they bring in the next General Manager so he's not going any where
I can't say exactly where I heard this or know this but Grier is in no way worried about job security. He's been thru multiple head coaches, Ross won't fire him
Plus Grier has incriminating evidence behind the scenes on Ross, now that last part is pure Wreckless Speculation
That is exactly the problem you describe
We lost Wilkins, Van Ginkle, Holland, Hunt and then used a lot of draft capital to bring in Hill and Ramsey, both were acquired using a 1st round pick, a 2nd was added for Hill plus other later round picks to KC and they've been to 3 Super Bowls in a row since they parted with him, add in another 1st round pick the owner was penalized for plus a 3rd
This is what you get and Grier is only being discussed as a future VP even when they bring in the next General Manager so he's not going any where
I can't say exactly where I heard this or know this but Grier is in no way worried about job security. He's been thru multiple head coaches, Ross won't fire him
Plus Grier has incriminating evidence behind the scenes on Ross, now that last part is pure Wreckless Speculation
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I think we are all beyond frustrated at this point. I’m definitely not going to argue that the front office is dysfunctional. If it were up to me, Grier would have been gone long ago. My opinion on the pick is just the reality of the situation. I would be very disappointed if they had a trade partner to move down and didn’t take it. But based on the lack of teams trading up into this range of the draft I’m guessing that there were no trades to be had. It’s not like teams were tripping over themselves to trade up for Barron or Warren or any of the offensive lineman who were left.
I think we’re a 6-7 win team at best no matter who we draft this season. Hopefully this time next year we have a different regime, but my hopes are always low with this team. Best case scenario is the bottom falls out early and we win 3 games, clean house and get a top pick. Sad reality for this once proud organization.
I think we’re a 6-7 win team at best no matter who we draft this season. Hopefully this time next year we have a different regime, but my hopes are always low with this team. Best case scenario is the bottom falls out early and we win 3 games, clean house and get a top pick. Sad reality for this once proud organization.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I am under estimating Grant a lot, you're right and I'm not trying to be funny
He's a quality DT that most years we would be delighted to have but after they already did this with Wilkins and with so many in a deep DT class,...
I would have preferred Barron but Grant by all admission on my part was very high on the IDL I put together but I didn't want to burn 13 on him
I'm sure he will become the Captain of that Defense quickly.
-You are going to compare the careers of Grant, Barron and perhaps Will Johnson and Grey Zabel because those were the only names most Miami fans were talking about
I agree with you on Warren and would have loved him coming on to the team if Hill is leaving and change the look of the offense with more pop at RB and TE.
Miami could add 1 more strong RB and still bring in a decent TE prospect like Fannin who I like a lot, the offense would change and be more ball control to hide that defense
Still no answers in the Secondary however...
Will Johnson
Trey Amos
Shavon Revel
Benjamin Morrison
-Any of them at 48 to pair with Grant and Grier will easily get a "B" from most outlets, not sure I would grade it that way but it would solve a couple major holes
-Zach Sieler DL1, Kenny Grant (R) DL2, Benito Jones DL3
That is what Miami is sitting on right now, I honestly would not cry if they grabbed one more DT from this rich class in the 2nd and revamp the whole DL
New blood on the DL, Chop Year 2, Chubb and Phillips on the Edges providing pass rush, you'd have a whole new look on Defense
Miami could also look at a couple Safeties in the 2nd round
-I think Miami should wait on OL now, the guys in the 2nd are just OK, better off filling in the OL 4th and 5th round, Willie Lampkin from NC is high on my list, just a pure road grader
Nohl Williams, Cobee Bryant and Mello Dotson both from Kansas and Dorian Strong from Va Tech all make decent DB prospects with all the openings right now in the Secondary
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We reached on our 1st and second rounder.....I am sick and tired of this guy reaching. We reached on Tua....yeah we did folks....ridiculous we took him over Herbert. That 2020 draft was the beginning of the end everyone.
All three picks are busts. You don't recover from that. And this team has not.
We reached on Waddle......yeah we did. Could have had Jamar Chase. Could have had Devonte Smith...or how about Parsons? HUGE WIFF.
Phillips we all knew was a major injury risk based on his college years and concussion issues....the guy sat out an entire year of college and contemplated quitting....but yeah we take guys with injury issues all the time.
Grant will have serious problems staying on the field at the NFL level unless he takes his physical conditioning very seriously. He is out of shape, could not finish games in college in cooler climates.....dude has red flags on him......we could have had better prospects than this at 13.
I am so sick and tired of the new generation of Dolphin fans who have zero clue of how proud this franchise was at one time and run competently. No idea about our history......the team the last 25 years has been an embarrassment.
Ross is a clueless owner who cares about one thing. Ticket sales and revenue 1000%. Wins, losses? He does not care as long as season tickets are sold out....and we have 40K people walking around in Tua jerseys clueless that we don't have a legit QB, legit coach or legit GM.
We are a laughing stock.
5 wins max.
I broke up with these guys after that debacle in 2020.....got **** teased in 2023 for about 2 months. That's all they have to show for all this....2 months of high flying offense vs under .500 teams.
Go check out this turd of QB's record vs teams over .500 and check out his record vs Buffalo.
Nuff said.
WE SUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK.
Sorry had to vent.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Both Ramsey and Hill are being discussed in possible trades, another player now being mentioned a lot is Jonnu Smith the TE that led the Phins in receiving last season
How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
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How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
Dolphins, Steelers in Jonnu Smith trade talks after contract request
The Pro Bowler is coming off a career year.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I don’t understand why they would consider unloading Jonnu. Not an incredible player by any means, but a decent safety valve with some after catch ability. Just seems odd for a team with seemingly pass protection issues and a QB with a lengthy concussion history. Why would you look to remove one of his more consistent safety valves?Both Ramsey and Hill are being discussed in possible trades, another player now being mentioned a lot is Jonnu Smith the TE that led the Phins in receiving last season
How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
Dolphins, Steelers in Jonnu Smith trade talks after contract request
The Pro Bowler is coming off a career year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I see Hill being the last on the trade block meaning if they can keep him they will.I don’t understand why they would consider unloading Jonnu. Not an incredible player by any means, but a decent safety valve with some after catch ability. Just seems odd for a team with seemingly pass protection issues and a QB with a lengthy concussion history. Why would you look to remove one of his more consistent safety valves?Both Ramsey and Hill are being discussed in possible trades, another player now being mentioned a lot is Jonnu Smith the TE that led the Phins in receiving last season
How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
Dolphins, Steelers in Jonnu Smith trade talks after contract request
The Pro Bowler is coming off a career year.
Miami rebuilt their IOL and they also drafted two very good pieces for the DL, Kenny Grant and also Jordan Phillips who might not even be 21 yet, getting rave reviews
-Let me explain my POV as a Fins fan, Smith was taking away from Hill and Waddle, Miami fell to 8-9 overall, it's not like Smith was making them a better offense
It was frustrating to see Jonnu lead the team in receiving as a Miami fan
Painful at times, but I understand those who started him in redrafts but those are 2 very different POV
He was a free agent signing, he wants more money, I'm all for trading him
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Dead Cap and cap Savings according to Over the Cap for post June 1st trades
Miami currently stands a little over $13M in cap space, they have signed some of their draft picks if I heard correctly
-Ramsey $6.7M dead cap hit which can be spread and almost $10M in cap savings
-Jonnu Smith $4M in cap space if they trade him, minimal cap hit
-Tyreek Hill $12.7M dead cap that can be spread over 2 seasons and almost $15M in cap savings this year which i assume would allow Miami to start signing some other free agents
DBs specifically still walking the streets right now.
Almost $30m in cap savings added to $13M they have already and we're over $40M they can use, also allows them to extend players before they hit free agency next year
Not sure who those players are but it gives them a lot of flexibility and they can get out from Tua's contract post June 1st next season
Miami currently stands a little over $13M in cap space, they have signed some of their draft picks if I heard correctly
-Ramsey $6.7M dead cap hit which can be spread and almost $10M in cap savings
-Jonnu Smith $4M in cap space if they trade him, minimal cap hit
-Tyreek Hill $12.7M dead cap that can be spread over 2 seasons and almost $15M in cap savings this year which i assume would allow Miami to start signing some other free agents
DBs specifically still walking the streets right now.
Almost $30m in cap savings added to $13M they have already and we're over $40M they can use, also allows them to extend players before they hit free agency next year
Not sure who those players are but it gives them a lot of flexibility and they can get out from Tua's contract post June 1st next season
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ramsey will be traded in a matter of hours at this point
-Asante Samuel Jr will be cleared come July and that's when he is going to sign
25 years old, coming off major injury that cut his season short last year, drafted 2nd Rd in '21
Miami needs to roll the dice here
Miami will have $23M+ in salary cap after Ramsey is traded
-Rasul Douglas, approaching 30 yrs old, PHI, GB and BUF, his stats at times look incredible
Last season was ho hum for him, prior he racked up almost 15 interceptions, 3 returned for TD
He's better than anything Miami would have on the roster.
-Asante Samuel Jr will be cleared come July and that's when he is going to sign
25 years old, coming off major injury that cut his season short last year, drafted 2nd Rd in '21
Miami needs to roll the dice here
Miami will have $23M+ in salary cap after Ramsey is traded
-Rasul Douglas, approaching 30 yrs old, PHI, GB and BUF, his stats at times look incredible
Last season was ho hum for him, prior he racked up almost 15 interceptions, 3 returned for TD
He's better than anything Miami would have on the roster.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jonnu Smith was traded to the Steelers, however Jonnu Smith has concerns about going to Pittsburgh
I don't know if he has a no trade clause but apparently he expressed frustration with wanting to redo his contract which had just 1yr/$4.8M remaining
That went from what can we do to extend/restructure from Smith's camp to TRADE to Pittsburgh and according to some outlets Smith does not want to go there
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I don't know if he has a no trade clause but apparently he expressed frustration with wanting to redo his contract which had just 1yr/$4.8M remaining
That went from what can we do to extend/restructure from Smith's camp to TRADE to Pittsburgh and according to some outlets Smith does not want to go there
Jonnu Smith trade saga with Pittsburgh Steelers hits snag as Miami Dolphins hold firm
Explore Jonnu Smith's trade saga as Steelers face obstacles in acquiring the versatile Dolphins tight end.
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
Really should have gone with a TE prospect in the draft if they weren't planning on keeping Jonnu. He really helped the offense last year but McD has some weird stubbornness about TEs.
Big Nate
Footballguy
This is a god post, Jonnu isn't winning us games week in and week out. He's still a good asset for the team but if he's leading the team in targets, or even the #2, we aren't winning anything. Hill was hurt last year and we need him back 100%.I see Hill being the last on the trade block meaning if they can keep him they will.I don’t understand why they would consider unloading Jonnu. Not an incredible player by any means, but a decent safety valve with some after catch ability. Just seems odd for a team with seemingly pass protection issues and a QB with a lengthy concussion history. Why would you look to remove one of his more consistent safety valves?Both Ramsey and Hill are being discussed in possible trades, another player now being mentioned a lot is Jonnu Smith the TE that led the Phins in receiving last season
How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
Dolphins, Steelers in Jonnu Smith trade talks after contract request
The Pro Bowler is coming off a career year.
Miami rebuilt their IOL and they also drafted two very good pieces for the DL, Kenny Grant and also Jordan Phillips who might not even be 21 yet, getting rave reviews
-Let me explain my POV as a Fins fan, Smith was taking away from Hill and Waddle, Miami fell to 8-9 overall, it's not like Smith was making them a better offense
It was frustrating to see Jonnu lead the team in receiving as a Miami fan
Painful at times, but I understand those who started him in redrafts but those are 2 very different POV
He was a free agent signing, he wants more money, I'm all for trading him
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Also hearing very good things about Waddle this off season, he has been a little lackluster since Hill arrived, maybe he can get back on track this yearThis is a god post, Jonnu isn't winning us games week in and week out. He's still a good asset for the team but if he's leading the team in targets, or even the #2, we aren't winning anything. Hill was hurt last year and we need him back 100%.I see Hill being the last on the trade block meaning if they can keep him they will.I don’t understand why they would consider unloading Jonnu. Not an incredible player by any means, but a decent safety valve with some after catch ability. Just seems odd for a team with seemingly pass protection issues and a QB with a lengthy concussion history. Why would you look to remove one of his more consistent safety valves?Both Ramsey and Hill are being discussed in possible trades, another player now being mentioned a lot is Jonnu Smith the TE that led the Phins in receiving last season
How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
Dolphins, Steelers in Jonnu Smith trade talks after contract request
The Pro Bowler is coming off a career year.
Miami rebuilt their IOL and they also drafted two very good pieces for the DL, Kenny Grant and also Jordan Phillips who might not even be 21 yet, getting rave reviews
-Let me explain my POV as a Fins fan, Smith was taking away from Hill and Waddle, Miami fell to 8-9 overall, it's not like Smith was making them a better offense
It was frustrating to see Jonnu lead the team in receiving as a Miami fan
Painful at times, but I understand those who started him in redrafts but those are 2 very different POV
He was a free agent signing, he wants more money, I'm all for trading him
58/744/2TDs after being extended for $27M a year or whatever it was, Miami did not get a good return on their investment last year.
Then you add in Hill 80/950/6TD
You look at those totals and you shake your head, nobody would have thought only 8 TDs total between the 2 of them, that just will not continue this season
I doubt it's early 2023 good but it can't get much worse than what we saw in '24.
-As always I'll believe it when I see it but Waddle has been turning a few heads in the off season, that has ot be a good sign for people that already have an opinion on his skills.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Waddle has the talent to be a #1 WR but as you say took a backseat behind Hill and that is hard to argue with when Hill can put up 1800 yards a season. Waddle just needs to work on his health and not get banged up constantly. Waddle set the rookie WR reception record and has it in him to be a top 12 WR again and bounce back from a quiet year. I still believe.Also hearing very good things about Waddle this off season, he has been a little lackluster since Hill arrived, maybe he can get back on track this yearThis is a god post, Jonnu isn't winning us games week in and week out. He's still a good asset for the team but if he's leading the team in targets, or even the #2, we aren't winning anything. Hill was hurt last year and we need him back 100%.I see Hill being the last on the trade block meaning if they can keep him they will.I don’t understand why they would consider unloading Jonnu. Not an incredible player by any means, but a decent safety valve with some after catch ability. Just seems odd for a team with seemingly pass protection issues and a QB with a lengthy concussion history. Why would you look to remove one of his more consistent safety valves?Both Ramsey and Hill are being discussed in possible trades, another player now being mentioned a lot is Jonnu Smith the TE that led the Phins in receiving last season
How are the Phins going to win more games without Ramsey, Hill and Smith?
-Ramsey is being discussed for nothing more than a 4th round pick plus Miami might need to pick up some of the salary
If the Phins were to pick up something like $10M then they could push for a Day 2 pick but otherwise they won't receive that much in return
-Smith trade talks
Dolphins, Steelers in Jonnu Smith trade talks after contract request
The Pro Bowler is coming off a career year.
Miami rebuilt their IOL and they also drafted two very good pieces for the DL, Kenny Grant and also Jordan Phillips who might not even be 21 yet, getting rave reviews
-Let me explain my POV as a Fins fan, Smith was taking away from Hill and Waddle, Miami fell to 8-9 overall, it's not like Smith was making them a better offense
It was frustrating to see Jonnu lead the team in receiving as a Miami fan
Painful at times, but I understand those who started him in redrafts but those are 2 very different POV
He was a free agent signing, he wants more money, I'm all for trading him
58/744/2TDs after being extended for $27M a year or whatever it was, Miami did not get a good return on their investment last year.
Then you add in Hill 80/950/6TD
You look at those totals and you shake your head, nobody would have thought only 8 TDs total between the 2 of them, that just will not continue this season
I doubt it's early 2023 good but it can't get much worse than what we saw in '24.
-As always I'll believe it when I see it but Waddle has been turning a few heads in the off season, that has ot be a good sign for people that already have an opinion on his skills.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm glad you brought this up because I had some thoughts...what if they traded Smith to the Steelers and then turned around and traded for Pitts from Atlanta?
I read somewhere in the $7M-$8M per season range, he's still very young and I could see Miami trading a Day 2 pick for him.
That could make Hill a little more expendable
Miami post Ramsey jump to $23M in cap space, Hill being gone would raise that well above $30M, Smith would add close to another $5M
Miami could be $35M+ under the cap and ready to spend some money on players like Pitts
I mentioned Asante Samuel Jr and he's gotta be at the top of their list to shore up a terrible DB room, one of the worst in the NFL right now
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This was my first thought as well (on top of a QB that has an extensive injury history). Getting back to chucking it down the field with the weapons they have sounds great on paper, but is their line up to that task? MOP mentioned they rebuilt the line, I will need to look into that a little more.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I don't mind the move for a premium TE but, combining the points, they have to be a really solid blocker given other OL weaknesses. Or more of an H-Back type in the overall McDaniel system.
Hill is expendable regardless because he has been bonked in the head too many times or whatever.
