2025 Miami Dolphins - Minkah is coming back to South Florida (1 Viewer)

[The Duff Man]

NF, that's a downer for Miami which loses out on a 1:00 game time advantage in September in the hot sun, also a short turnaround week, same can be said for the Bills but Miami would seem to be double banged for the Week 2 home game losing the heat index advantage

Can't believe the NFL is rewarding those whiners. They should play at 1PM in Miami every September for all the crying they did in 2022

What is worse?

Crying over heat stroke or putting your concussed QB back in to win a game?

Tomato….Tomato

 

[Ministry of Pain]

NF, that's a downer for Miami which loses out on a 1:00 game time advantage in September in the hot sun, also a short turnaround week, same can be said for the Bills but Miami would seem to be double banged for the Week 2 home game losing the heat index advantage

Can't believe the NFL is rewarding those whiners. They should play at 1PM in Miami every September for all the crying they did in 2022

What is worse?

Crying over heat stroke or putting your concussed QB back in to win a game?

Tomato….Tomato

They also sent us Jax Week 1, it might be even hotter in JAX where the Atlantic breeze isn't anything like you feel down in Miami
The September advantage for the Phins was swept away by Goodell

 

[Ministry of Pain]

THE PROJECTED DOLPHINS SCHEDULE (per reports and sources)​

-- Week 1, home against the Jacksonville Jaguars

-- Week 2, home vs. the Buffalo Bills (Thursday night)

-- Week 3, at Seattle Seahawks

-- Week 4, home vs. Tennessee Titans (Monday night)

-- Week 5, at New England

-- Week 6, Bye

-- Week 7, at Indianapolis Colts

-- Week 8, home vs. Arizona Cardinals

-- Week 9, at Buffalo Bills

-- Week 10, at Los Angeles Rams (Monday night)

-- Week 11, home vs. Las Vegas Raiders

-- Week 12, home vs. New England Patriots

-- Week 13, at Green Bay Packers (Thursday night)

-- Week 14, home vs. New York Jets

-- Week 15, at Houston Texans

-- Week 16, home vs. San Francisco 49ers

-- Week 17, at Cleveland Browns (Sunday night)

-- Week 18 (season finale), at New York Jets

 

[Ministry of Pain]

at Love-Rodgers-at CJ Stroud-Purdy-at Watson-at Rodgers the last 6 games...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

After the MNF vs Tennessee, albeit with a Bye week but Miami has just 1 home game if I am reading the schedule right... in 47 days? WOW!
On one hand you don't see a lot of the Playoff teams from a year ago on Miami's schedule, at the same time they couldn't have made it much harder with the schedule selected

 

[SoBeDad]

After the MNF vs Tennessee, albeit with a Bye week but Miami has just 1 home game if I am reading the schedule right...47 days? WOW!
On one hand you don't see a lot of the Playoff teams from a year ago on Miami's schedule, at the same time they couldn't have made it much harder with the schedule selected

If Rodgers is healthy, that's a tough last 6 games. 4 of them are away, including the last 2 @ CLE and NYJ possibly in wintery weather.

 

[=Smackdown=]

5 Prime Time games

 

[TripleThreat]

disappointed Green Bay game is thanksgiving,.. I wanted to go. Family means that’s not gonna happen.

 

[Desert_Power]

Massive extension for Waddle makes me very happy. Hopeful he doesn’t have as many injury woes as this past season.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Waddle-you invested 2 first Rd picks to get him, want to take a stab at his current market value?
Miami could conceivably extend him over the summer along with Tua since they let everyone else walk out the door, quite frankly I wouldn't extend Tua
-I'd see if he takes the field under his 5th year option, I doubt his agent would let him but I'd try and if you must, you franchise tag him in '25, but that's MoP talking.

Waddle has a market value of $27M+ right now, an extension would easily be 4yr/$110M give or take, he's going to want Top 5 money
-I did the same thing with Tua when he looked even worse than now, and it was $30M and you all balked and said no way but yes way and it's gone up from there...$50M?
So if you think you can pick up the 5th year option and play Waddle, not worry about his contract until 2026, I'm pretty sure you're going to hear about it much sooner.
Pretty soon the Mkt Value will be well over $30M, then $35M and so on
Miami doesn't like these 2nd contracts, is it time to explore trade possibilities? I think he's good but not truly great
Still time to develop but perhaps it's time to also get ahead for once. Not be victim to the market in a year or two and throw our hands up in the air and hit pause

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Dolphins signing WR Jaylen Waddle to three-year, $84.75 million contract extension

He still will play for his 4th year salary on his rookie contract in 2024
I don't know what the signing bonus was but that will be in his bank account by the end of the day if not already
The cap which is all i really care about or the impact on it won't be felt much in 2024
3/$84.5M, short extension
'25, '26 and '27 he's in a Miami uniform.

$28-$29M per year, almost all of it guaranteed

 

[Gatorman]

Dolphins signing WR Jaylen Waddle to three-year, $84.75 million contract extension

He still will play for his 4th year salary on his rookie contract in 2024
I don't know what the signing bonus was but that will be in his bank account by the end of the day if not already
The cap which is all i really care about or the impact on it won't be felt much in 2024
3/$84.5M, short extension
'25, '26 and '27 he's in a Miami uniform.

$28-$29M per year, almost all of it guaranteed

Looks good for both Waddle and the team. Have to see the structure, but Miami getting ready to pay its stars with the money saved on Wilkins it seems. I'm sure Holland, Tua, and Phillips soon. Miami likely saves about 10-15 mil vs waddle on the open market.

 

[Kevrunner]

Can’t see Tyreek not wanting a new contract, he has so much “fake” money in his present contract, no way we don’t start hearing that he is unhappy soon.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Can’t see Tyreek not wanting a new contract, he has so much “fake” money in his present contract, no way we don’t start hearing that he is unhappy soon.

I thought Tyreek said he was retiring at the end of his current deal?

Although I guess he's added 5 or 6 child support payments since then, so maybe that's changed.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can’t see Tyreek not wanting a new contract, he has so much “fake” money in his present contract, no way we don’t start hearing that he is unhappy soon.

speak of the devil

Dolphins' Tyreek Hill has been eyeing new contract since conclusion of 2023 NFL season, per report

Hill, who reportedly wants a bump in pay, just saw his teammate land a new deal

www.cbssports.com

Uh-Oh

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can’t see Tyreek not wanting a new contract, he has so much “fake” money in his present contract, no way we don’t start hearing that he is unhappy soon.

I thought Tyreek said he was retiring at the end of his current deal?

Although I guess he's added 5 or 6 child support payments since then, so maybe that's changed.

Waddle contract was barely dry from the ink and Tyreek Hill was already having his name spread all over the social media banners
I guess Hill is underpaid now with Waddle's new deal. I have a bad feeling we won't be enjoying Tyreek Hill in Miami much longer...maybe '24 is it.

 

[Todem]

Can’t see Tyreek not wanting a new contract, he has so much “fake” money in his present contract, no way we don’t start hearing that he is unhappy soon.

I thought Tyreek said he was retiring at the end of his current deal?

Although I guess he's added 5 or 6 child support payments since then, so maybe that's changed.

Waddle contract was barely dry from the ink and Tyreek Hill was already having his name spread all over the social media banners
I guess Hill is underpaid now with Waddle's new deal. I have a bad feeling we won't be enjoying Tyreek Hill in Miami much longer...maybe '24 is it.

So we have Waddle 5 more seasons with this extension.

3rd highest paid WR in the league?

Waddle……is he really an Alpha Dog? I like him….but he can have too many concentration drops and he can get nicked up too much at time (ankle issues).

Anyway…..this is today’s NFL.

Tyreek….one more year here is probably a good assessment.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Can’t see Tyreek not wanting a new contract, he has so much “fake” money in his present contract, no way we don’t start hearing that he is unhappy soon.

I thought Tyreek said he was retiring at the end of his current deal?

Although I guess he's added 5 or 6 child support payments since then, so maybe that's changed.

Waddle contract was barely dry from the ink and Tyreek Hill was already having his name spread all over the social media banners
I guess Hill is underpaid now with Waddle's new deal. I have a bad feeling we won't be enjoying Tyreek Hill in Miami much longer...maybe '24 is it.

So we have Waddle 5 more seasons with this extension.

3rd highest paid WR in the league?

Waddle……is he really an Alpha Dog? I like him….but he can have too many concentration drops and he can get nicked up too much at time (ankle issues).

Anyway…..this is today’s NFL.

Tyreek….probably one more year here is probably a good assessment.

2024-Year 4 of his Rookie deal
2025-5th year option except they opted to extend so that year cancels out and that starts the 3 year extension as I understand it
2027-3rd year of that extension, they likely extend him again in '26 off season
UFA in 2028 if none of what I listed happens

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Kelly: Ten things we learned from Dolphins’ offseason program

A breakdown of what was learned about the 2024 Miami Dolphins from the offseason work.

sports.yahoo.com

-Tua's extension not being close, this sounds like a major distraction throughout camp and the start of the season, what are they waiting on?

-We knew the OLB/Edge spots were going to be a problem, the reality that Both Chubb and Phillips are likely to start on the PUP in '24 is sobering

-Hill wants a new contract, tell us something we don't know

-7 and 8 are disturbing. Sounds like Aaron Brewer is pretty small, thought that was Eichenberg's problem inside.
Miami needs to focus and see if Connor Williams is interested in a 1 yr return

Anyone who thought that losing Wilkins would be easy was fooling themselves. Miami didn't exactly address it in the Draft
Miami wants to spend the same at DT as they do at RB, perhaps even less if they can get away with it.
The Dolphins should start scouting Mason Graham, DT from Michigan, they'll be trying to get him in the 1st rd next year.

-I do not share Omar Kelly's concern about depth at DB with all the guys we have returning.
What is troubling is how little you hear Cam Smith mentioned, not standing out at practice it seems. Rookie season was a BUST, 2nd season not getting off to a roaring start

 

[greedygoat]

So the Dolphins lose a first round pick for tampering with Tom Brady, who they didn’t sign and the Falcons lose a fifth round pick for tampering with Kirk Cousins who they eventually signed. Makes total sense.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Tua gonna get 55-60 per - no way he’s taking less than what Lawrence just got.

 

[travdogg]

Tua gonna get 55-60 per - no way he’s taking less than what Lawrence just got.

Nor should he, he's been a lot more impressive than Lawrence.

As an aside, I liked the Calais Campbell pickup. Gives DE/DT versatility and allows them to bring Chop along slowly even with Phillips/Chubb recovering.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

After Year 2, posted it was time to start thinking about Tua like we saw Dak in Dallas, I said $30-$35M per year and you all thought I was joking
And I was working from the POV that Tua wasn't really worth the top salaries in the NFL and I still hold that position
Fast Forward just a couple more seasons and that number is now inching closer and closer to $60M per season as the Miami Dolphins' QB

-Tua salary in 2023 was just $4M, what a bargain that was.

Hurts, Herbert, Burrow(finally after camp), Lawrence, most of them were extended rather quickly during the off season between years 3 and 4.
These franchises made commitments immediately that these were franchise QBs and they were not likely going to draft a Quarterback anytime in the next 3-4-5 years and hopefully a lot longer than that if these are truly franchise QBs.

Lamar Jackson was made to wait until after Year 5 and playing under the 5th year option, now Tua is walking down a similar path.
Tua doesn't seem interested in playing for $23M and who can blame him in this market. Another off season and they would be forced to franchise tag him, what's that price tag?
Is $70-$75M in Tua's future if we here to push off 1 more off season? Let's go back to the Year 3/4 off season and those concussion worries...

 

[Gatorman]

Nothing on the phins signing Campbell?

 

[SoBeDad]

Nothing on the phins signing Campbell?

Nothing from the Dolphins, only from NFL Network. Not sure why. If he plays like he did last year, it's a nice early season depth piece.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Nothing on the phins signing Campbell?

6-8/300Lbs, his days at Edge are on the decline
More of an Interior DL at this point, likely 30-35-40 snaps tops per game
50% of the snap count type guy

Don't know how much money they are going to spend on this but they are currently about $17M Under the Cap

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jonnu Smith...dude like could you play a few snaps before you start laying into the city of Buffalo?
He must have really hated being a Patriot for a couple years and falling off the map

I'd rather he trashed Mac Jones and perhaps the Falcons QBs as holding him back.
I do hope he can back up the talk

I bet a lot of Miami fans like his moxie

 

[Todem]

I wonder how much of a factor Phillips and Chubb will be this upcoming season. Two very serious injuries to our two top edge rushers who rely on an explosive first step.

That is my primary concern on the defensive side of the ball. I like the pieces we added both in FA and the draft. But our two draft picks on the edge are raw and need to develop.

On the offensive side of the ball the nagging question is always the OL. How many games do we get outta LT Armstead? How will our new center fare? Lost Hunt which hurts.

Being realistic here.

9 wins based on these factors.

If Phillips comes back without a hitch off a torn achilles heel? And our defense plays better than expected? 10 wins.

Our window is this season and then things IMO can either be:

We start over at QB or obviously we extend Tua and see how long he actually lasts physically.

Call me skeptical. Been watching this movie going on 24 years.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anyone who frequents this thread knows I was not a Shaq Barrett fan when they signed him for $9M

Miami was $12M under the cap, gotta believe they get most of that back now with Shaq retiring before the eve of camp opens.
So now they have a cool $20M to run around and play with...when do they trade their 2025 1st or 2nd Round pick so they can fill out what's missing.

What is missing exactly? OL is my guess and it might be time to make a trade.
Interior DL is a complete mystery IMHO, if I were opposing teams I would line up and smash it up the middle as often as possible...think Baltimore

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

lol - do you think they are going to get names without dings at this point?

Washed!
And at last Miami figured it out. My guess is ole Shaq could not show up on Day 1 of camp, maybe he told them he wasn't planning on getting on the field much and working his way towards Week 1 and they said thanks but let's just forget it

Or maybe he really just retired but the timing is a little questionable
That wasn't a shot at Gator but I was digging out from March and thought I would post both of them

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Shaq Barrett - torn achilles tendon - retired within 2 seasons at the age of 31
Calais Campbell - 39 yrs old is now our best Edge man going into 2024

Jaelan Phillips is trying to come back from a torn achilles, not a good sign IMO

 

[SoBeDad]

Shaq Barrett - torn achilles tendon - retired within 2 seasons at the age of 31
Calais Campbell - 39 yrs old is now our best Edge man going into 2024

Jaelan Phillips is trying to come back from a torn achilles, not a good sign IMO

Phillips walking without a limp and looking good in foot speed drills. He may surprise. They'll sign another vet, on the cheap, Lawson (injury prone), Ogbah (decent last year), or someone else. Good that Shaq retired now and not in 6 weeks.

The IOL is a gamble. We'll see.

 

[Gatorman]

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

lol - do you think they are going to get names without dings at this point?

Washed!
And at last Miami figured it out. My guess is ole Shaq could not show up on Day 1 of camp, maybe he told them he wasn't planning on getting on the field much and working his way towards Week 1 and they said thanks but let's just forget it

Or maybe he really just retired but the timing is a little questionable
That wasn't a shot at Gator but I was digging out from March and thought I would post both of them

I think with Barrett it was more than that. If he was washed like you say then we now have that cap space for another guy.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

lol - do you think they are going to get names without dings at this point?

Washed!
And at last Miami figured it out. My guess is ole Shaq could not show up on Day 1 of camp, maybe he told them he wasn't planning on getting on the field much and working his way towards Week 1 and they said thanks but let's just forget it

Or maybe he really just retired but the timing is a little questionable
That wasn't a shot at Gator but I was digging out from March and thought I would post both of them

I think with Barrett it was more than that. If he was washed like you say then we now have that cap space for another guy.

I agree with you Gator, there's more but we might not find out what that is for some time.
My guess is he couldn't physically start camp and Miami confronted him and let him know they couldn't just carry him and let him out on Sundays to play
But I have no concrete info from any of my sources, including a couple folks I know within the Dolphins Org
It might not be anything sinister, good luck to Shaq in retirement, my 2nd team is the Bucs and he did great in 2020, no ill will towards him, believe me he was washed vs what he was

I would like to know your thoughts on Miami armed with $20M and a full slate of picks for 2025, it's time to wheel and deal if you're Chris Grier
What kind of a 1st or 2nd Rd pick we talking next year? 25th-31st? Like how I did that? 57-63 in the 2nd?
I don't have the exact players but Grier just took down a pot pre-flop and now has enough chips to do some damage

 

[Gatorman]

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

Shaq Barrett is the 1 year AVG replacement (1 year $9m). Release guy, so he doesn't threaten the 2 comp 3rds.

So washed, Tampa wanted nothing to do with him and they had stacks of cash going into the off season

lol - do you think they are going to get names without dings at this point?

Washed!
And at last Miami figured it out. My guess is ole Shaq could not show up on Day 1 of camp, maybe he told them he wasn't planning on getting on the field much and working his way towards Week 1 and they said thanks but let's just forget it

Or maybe he really just retired but the timing is a little questionable
That wasn't a shot at Gator but I was digging out from March and thought I would post both of them

I think with Barrett it was more than that. If he was washed like you say then we now have that cap space for another guy.

I agree with you Gator, there's more but we might not find out what that is for some time.
My guess is he couldn't physically start camp and Miami confronted him and let him know they couldn't just carry him and let him out on Sundays to play
But I have no concrete info from any of my sources, including a couple folks I know within the Dolphins Org
It might not be anything sinister, good luck to Shaq in retirement, my 2nd team is the Bucs and he did great in 2020, no ill will towards him, believe me he was washed vs what he was

I would like to know your thoughts on Miami armed with $20M and a full slate of picks for 2025, it's time to wheel and deal if you're Chris Grier
What kind of a 1st or 2nd Rd pick we talking next year? 25th-31st? Like how I did that? 57-63 in the 2nd?
I don't have the exact players but Grier just took down a pot pre-flop and now has enough chips to do some damage

Ogbah coming back to work out for the team. Lots of pundits saying he fits this guys system but I have no idea.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jaylen Waddle - Boom! Contract done
Zach Sieler - Boom! Contract done
Jaylen Waddle - Boom! Contract done

And most of these were done out of almost nowhere. I did mention that Waddle needed to get done before WR market extends to $40M per year

Now lets talk about Tua and sides rejecting the other's proposal...this ain't good
Grier does not typically play this game. He gives a pretty good pay rate at most positions, works with the FO to make sure the numbers work
Something is off on this whole thing

Any chance Miami would trade Tua? Start asking yourself if that's a good idea?
Take the team towards uncharted waters and I have no clue who would replace him or what they would seek in a trade. Miami does not seem interested in giving him $50-$60M per year and remember they could have extended him for more like $35M two years ago, they kind of backed themselves into this corner
Franchise tag in '25? Could they even get Tua to take the field for $23M this year? I doubt it but it's not smart to skip an entire season

Wilkins would not take Miami's offer and he was let go
Mike Gesicki was offered some sort of extension and he didn't bite, off he went and it hasn't worked out that well for him so far

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So we now know from reports that Miami gave Tua a pretty good offer in terms of money per season
4 yrs/$200M or $50M per year approximately, maybe all the way up to $55M per year.
The catch was guaranteed money, Tua wanted ALL of it
Miami wants to make as little of it guaranteed as possible for a guy with concussion issues already.

Think back a decade ago when there really wasn't any guaranteed money
I applaud the Phins for not handicapping the team with his salary if and when things go wrong.
I hated the Watson thing that Cleveland did.
No other team did it exactly that way but like 75% of these new contracts if not more are fully guaranteed, they screwed the rest of the NFL when they did that.

Yeah, this is gonna end poorly one way or the other.

 

[Gatorman]

So we now know from reports that Miami gave Tua a pretty good offer in terms of money per season
4 yrs/$200M or $50M per year approximately, maybe all the way up to $55M per year.
The catch was guaranteed money, Tua wanted ALL of it
Miami wants to make as little of it guaranteed as possible for a guy with concussion issues already.

Think back a decade ago when there really wasn't any guaranteed money
I applaud the Phins for not handicapping the team with his salary if and when things go wrong.
I hated the Watson thing that Cleveland did.
No other team did it exactly that way but like 75% of these new contracts if not more are fully guaranteed, they screwed the rest of the NFL when they did that.

Yeah, this is gonna end poorly one way or the other.

Ogbah brought back. Like the signing more than the Shaq signing to be honest.

Yeah, I have a feeling the Tua deal is hung up on the guaranteed money. I'm sure Miami will settle at a number MoP will not like or simply have Tua play out his current deal. Again, I think if it is 4 at 50 per they should have guaranteed about 125 of it to be in line w what is the market. Let's see what happens.

 

[SwampDawg]

So I've been away on vacation and just catching up on the news today of the Tua signing and disappointed to not find a @Ministry of Pain rant yet...lol

My thoughts, outside of getting him to play out this final year happily and see where we are at, which was never going to happen, I think they did a pretty decent job on this deal from what I've read. Others got more money (Love) and years (Lawrence), they lower the cap number this year and hopefully use that to resign some other young guys. We have an out after 2026, he was obviously always going to be the QB this year and barring a collapse of epic proportion you were always bringing him back next year even if on the franchise tag while you worked out a deal so in reality you added one more year that you are locked into him with no out. From what I have read even if they don't restructure the last few years to bonuses his salary should still be 22% or below of the expected cap which is about what the QB market is. If he plays well and shows that he can take us on some playoff runs over the next 3 years that deal will get reworked to lower those numbers even more, if he doesn't then we cut bait and start over with a rookie QB contract in 2027. The one thing I would do right away is start accumulating some picks and over the next few seasons and drafts make moves that I had two picks in the first round a for 2027 to use an ammunition if needed.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So I've been away on vacation and just catching up on the news today of the Tua signing and disappointed to not find a @Ministry of Pain rant yet...lol

My thoughts, outside of getting him to play out this final year happily and see where we are at, which was never going to happen, I think they did a pretty decent job on this deal from what I've read. Others got more money (Love) and years (Lawrence), they lower the cap number this year and hopefully use that to resign some other young guys. We have an out after 2026, he was obviously always going to be the QB this year and barring a collapse of epic proportion you were always bringing him back next year even if on the franchise tag while you worked out a deal so in reality you added one more year that you are locked into him with no out. From what I have read even if they don't restructure the last few years to bonuses his salary should still be 22% or below of the expected cap which is about what the QB market is. If he plays well and shows that he can take us on some playoff runs over the next 3 years that deal will get reworked to lower those numbers even more, if he doesn't then we cut bait and start over with a rookie QB contract in 2027. The one thing I would do right away is start accumulating some picks and over the next few seasons and drafts make moves that I had two picks in the first round a for 2027 to use an ammunition if needed.

Hey GB
I'm trying to not be overreactive but you might catch some of my spirit in the Tua thread I am the OP for, should be on Page 1 or 2 of the Shark pool
It's not fair for the Miami fan base to always absorb my wet rag feelings about things

 

[Gatorman]

So I've been away on vacation and just catching up on the news today of the Tua signing and disappointed to not find a @Ministry of Pain rant yet...lol

My thoughts, outside of getting him to play out this final year happily and see where we are at, which was never going to happen, I think they did a pretty decent job on this deal from what I've read. Others got more money (Love) and years (Lawrence), they lower the cap number this year and hopefully use that to resign some other young guys. We have an out after 2026, he was obviously always going to be the QB this year and barring a collapse of epic proportion you were always bringing him back next year even if on the franchise tag while you worked out a deal so in reality you added one more year that you are locked into him with no out. From what I have read even if they don't restructure the last few years to bonuses his salary should still be 22% or below of the expected cap which is about what the QB market is. If he plays well and shows that he can take us on some playoff runs over the next 3 years that deal will get reworked to lower those numbers even more, if he doesn't then we cut bait and start over with a rookie QB contract in 2027. The one thing I would do right away is start accumulating some picks and over the next few seasons and drafts make moves that I had two picks in the first round a for 2027 to use an ammunition if needed.

Hey GB
I'm trying to not be overreactive but you might catch some of my spirit in the Tua thread I am the OP for, should be on Page 1 or 2 of the Shark pool
It's not fair for the Miami fan base to always absorb my wet rag feelings about things

I think this is the perfect place for that.

#1: Its not my money.
#2: It seems Miami is basically staying a little ahead of the curve on some of these deals bc Tua got paid Goff money, and then love's contract reset the market.
#3: I see why it took so long. Miami gave up a bit more than I thought they would but they have the kind of Salary Cap "outs" that greer likes to put into his contracts.

So Miami gets some relief this year and next (Hill, Holland, Phillips all need to be resigned) and Miami needs some of the greybeards to be value contracts. Miami likely needs to draft a QB next year just to have a "cheap" developmental option if Tua needs to be cut loose in 2 years. If not, and Tua earns his contract, then we can trade the QB we draft.

Again, Tua has a lot to prove, as does McDaniel, as does the DC.

I can't wait to see what Purdy's contract looks like next year.

 

[Bri]

Andrew Brewer was a very good sub for the Titans. A smallish but tough smart lineman that could fill in at either G or C spot briefly. If he had to play a full game, the size issue would show up and he'd be a questionable filling starter.
Ben Jones retired and Vrabel had Brewer as the starting center. Last summer, all the media people are saying well Vrabel was coach of the year, Brewer has great technique he knows what he's doing. Last summer, Pat Kirwan asked a few former OL and coaches on his show about Brewer and they all said about the same thing- you can't give up 40-50 pounds to a nose tackle and if the center collapsed the whole line collapsed. The latter was oh so frustratingly true all last year as the Titans line seemed like they could set a record for bad play.

I keep reading of the Dolphins starting him and coaches praising him. Their offense certainly has speed and end arounds and stuff the Titans didn't. Brewer does have some wheels to him and he'd probably be good then. What happens when it's just a relatively typical play?

How sure am I? I'm no longer drafting Mostert in FF. That guy lives off lineman winning overpowering blocks and ...nope, I'll let someone else take him.

He's a sort of fools gold and I felt I needed to warn Fins fans as something to look for in camp.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Andrew Brewer was a very good sub for the Titans. A smallish but tough smart lineman that could fill in at either G or C spot briefly. If he had to play a full game, the size issue would show up and he'd be a questionable filling starter.
Ben Jones retired and Vrabel had Brewer as the starting center. Last summer, all the media people are saying well Vrabel was coach of the year, Brewer has great technique he knows what he's doing. Last summer, Pat Kirwan asked a few former OL and coaches on his show about Brewer and they all said about the same thing- you can't give up 40-50 pounds to a nose tackle and if the center collapsed the whole line collapsed. The latter was oh so frustratingly true all last year as the Titans line seemed like they could set a record for bad play.

I keep reading of the Dolphins starting him and coaches praising him. Their offense certainly has speed and end arounds and stuff the Titans didn't. Brewer does have some wheels to him and he'd probably be good then. What happens when it's just a relatively typical play?

How sure am I? I'm no longer drafting Mostert in FF. That guy lives off lineman winning overpowering blocks and ...nope, I'll let someone else take him.

He's a sort of fools gold and I felt I needed to warn Fins fans as something to look for in camp.

Thank You!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@SwampDawg
And a Hundred Million reasons and 12 kids for Tyreek Hill to keep the pedal to the metal
Anyone think he can father 20+ before its over?

-Someone who advises him financially needs to take a chunk of this and put it in a place he can't access until he's like 45-50 and out of the NFL...I really don't want to hear how broke he is the minute he retires like Terrell Owens

Hill has a decent chance to make the Hall of Fame, a ring in Miami and I think he would enter as a Miami Dolphin and join Paul Warfield

 

[Gatorman]

@SwampDawg
And a Hundred Million reasons and 12 kids for Tyreek Hill to keep the pedal to the metal
Anyone think he can father 20+ before its over?

-Someone who advises him financially needs to take a chunk of this and put it in a place he can't access until he's like 45-50 and out of the NFL...I really don't want to hear how broke he is the minute he retires like Terrell Owens

Hill has a decent chance to make the Hall of Fame, a ring in Miami and I think he would enter as a Miami Dolphin and join Paul Warfield

He's an intense guy but doesn't seem to have the diva mentality of other WRs. One hopes that Rosenhaus knows what he is doing and keeps reek from going broke. I really have never heard of Drew's guys being the ones who end up with money troubles.

Miami is locked up for the next 3 years, pretty much with this crew. Looks like their plan is to stay cheap at RB through this, try and build the o line through the draft and spend on corners.

Holland likely up next in the contract business, then Phillips assuming he returns to form. Miami seems to have some guys showing out at DE and LB but pads not really on yet.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

@SwampDawg
And a Hundred Million reasons and 12 kids for Tyreek Hill to keep the pedal to the metal
Anyone think he can father 20+ before its over?

-Someone who advises him financially needs to take a chunk of this and put it in a place he can't access until he's like 45-50 and out of the NFL...I really don't want to hear how broke he is the minute he retires like Terrell Owens

Hill has a decent chance to make the Hall of Fame, a ring in Miami and I think he would enter as a Miami Dolphin and join Paul Warfield

He's an intense guy but doesn't seem to have the diva mentality of other WRs. One hopes that Rosenhaus knows what he is doing and keeps reek from going broke. I really have never heard of Drew's guys being the ones who end up with money troubles.

Wasn't TO a Rosenhaus client?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1747470-terrell-owens-suing-former-agent-drew-rosenhaus-for-up-to-65-million

 

[Bri]

Brewer was typical man throw some dirt on it or somesuch and now has a badly infected cut on his hand and won't play. Aka y'all won't see how his smaller size matters.
Teair Tart's effort has been called into question and some reporters wondering if he and Brewer are trying to be dumb friends taking it easy instead of smart friends pushing each other to get better.
Kendall Lamm who is not playing well at T may have to shift to G which he is not at all made for.
The oddest thing I've ever seen is to take the castoffs of a 30th ranked OL. I would totally worry if McDaniel and Grier have reached that egotistical point where they go from genius to fool just like Jon Robinson.

This so weird

 

[Bri]

@Oz soooo weird
ETA
Ugh can't tag two letter users

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Jaylen Wright looks fast, most Miami skill players do
The RB stable is as good as its been in years, we used to wheel out Myles Gaskin as our starter

-Gaskin ate up 315 carries in Miami over 2020 - 584 yds and 2021 - 612 yds, very sad was the Miami running game, pathetic.

3rd Q around 10:00 they do a little screen pass to Wright, he almost drops it but then double backs to the opposite side of the field and makes a big gain for a FD out of nothing

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I saw Tindall make an appearance last night, No 41 on an unblocked blitz-sack towards the end of the 1st