***2025 Oakmont US Open Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[Redwes25]

WOW! He deserves this win

 

[BobbyLayne]

fantastic! wow

 

[belljr]

Awesome

 

[Major]

Couldn't be happier for Spaun. What a way to close that out

 

[BobbyLayne]

64’5”

insane

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

That was going 5’ past if it doesn’t go in. Unbelievable.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

5 over thru 6, 3 under over last 12 in just ridiculous conditions. What a ballsy/gutsy round. The drive on 17 and putt on 18 go straight into the legends file.

 

[belljr]

Spaun was thinking about hanging it up and he has 18 mill in earnings. That's kind of crazy but I get it

 

[Zeppelin]

That's as good as it gets.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

I haven’t looked at any stats - but in the blind I bet Spaun just set the USO record for feet of putts made by a champion in a final round.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

One of the reasons I disliked this course is because they made it artificially hard. It's already a tough course in its own right. I think any course could grow the rough out to 5" and shave the greens down to marble.

 

[Zeppelin]

I haven’t looked at any stats - but in the blind I bet Spain just set the USO record for feet of putts made by a champion in a final round.

They just said he made 136 feet of putts in the last 7 holes.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

One of the reasons I disliked this course is because they made it artificially hard. It's already a tough course in its own right. I think any course could grow the rough out to 5" and shave the greens down to marble.

Agree. Tricked it up too much and introduced too much randomness.

Spaun's heroics salvaged the tournament, for me at least.

 

[gump]

Great finish. Lots of greens missed from the fairway. How many GIR did JJ have on the back?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Great angle for the final putt. Had no clue it broke anywhere near that much from the live broadcast.

 

[identikit]

Tyrrell Hatton's reaction as JJ sunk the putt:

https://x.com/GolfDigest/status/1934413361275408893

 

[Chaz McNulty]

One of the reasons I disliked this course is because they made it artificially hard. It's already a tough course in its own right. I think any course could grow the rough out to 5" and shave the greens down to marble.

Agree. Tricked it up too much and introduced too much randomness.

Spaun's heroics salvaged the tournament, for me at least.

It would have been the same for me if he needed the putt to win. Knowing he just needed a 2-putt, I put his chances at around 80% to get it done. Would have been less if he hadn't just seen the same putt right before he took his.

 

[TLEF316]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

5 over thru 6, 3 under over last 12 in just ridiculous conditions. What a ballsy/gutsy round. The drive on 17 and putt on 18 go straight into the legends file.

I had written Spaun off after the 5th. Actually, I had probably written him off before the round started. He was - I think - 6 shots back after the 5th hole?

Good for him. His entire life just changed.

 

[Redwes25]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

There needs to be visible water. Two officials both agreed that wasn't satisfied. Get it is a tough break with the lie but if both officials agree and they both know the rules much better then I do then think it was right ruling.

No idea when that video was taken but it continued to rain so not sure if that is representative.

 

[shadrap]

I play golf with JJ's dad once a week in AZ during the winter months. His handi is about a 5. Very nice guy.
Starting at about the 3:12 mark is a good interview with John Spaun.

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[Andy Dufresne]

I play golf with JJ's dad once a week in AZ during the winter months. His handi is about a 5. Very nice guy.
Starting at about the 3:12 mark is a good interview with John Spaun.

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Seems like a decent fella, just like JJ does.

 

[General Malaise]

I play golf with JJ's dad once a week in AZ during the winter months. His handi is about a 5. Very nice guy.
Starting at about the 3:12 mark is a good interview with John Spaun.

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That's really cool! Great video....had no idea he was a skateboarder.

I hope NFLX features him on Full Swing (if they haven't already, I'm behind on Season 3).

 

[General Malaise]

In a fantasy golf league with about 50 people, couple of FBGs are in there. I'm having a lousy season overall and gave up all hope on the US Open before Saturday even ended. Was at my son's college graduation yesterday all day and didn't tune in at all, so missed all the drama.

Checked the fantasy team late last night. We finished 2nd, headlined by Victor Hovland +2, Cam Young +3, Ben Griffin and Sam Stevens making the cut. That was good for 2nd....that's insanity!

Only one person had Spaun - the winner, obviously but man, what a crazy US Open.

 

[gump]

https://x.com/KylePorterNS/status/1934414881530507631?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1934414881530507631%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Kyle Porter
@KylePorterNS
JJ Spaun said he started today going to CVS at 3 a.m. because his daughter was throwing up. Ended it winning the U.S. Open on Father’s Day. Maybe the most dad life Sunday of all time.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Spaun holed 18-of-19 putts inside 20 feet yesterday

 

[bro1ncos]

Spaun holed 18-of-19 putts inside 20 feet yesterday

That's a crazy number inside of 10 foot, much less 20

 

[encaitar]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

There needs to be visible water. Two officials both agreed that wasn't satisfied. Get it is a tough break with the lie but if both officials agree and they both know the rules much better then I do then think it was right ruling.

No idea when that video was taken but it continued to rain so not sure if that is representative.

The rule they were citing said there needed to be water coming up around your feet when you take a stance, but that's only half of the standing water ruling. If the ball is sitting in visible water then it can also be called a standing water rule. I could see how wet it was where his ball was sitting on tv. To say that wasn't visible standing water? OK, we're gonna have to disagree because my stance won't change on that.

The reality is there is no way his shot wasn't affected by that water and at that moment, out of the fairway, it's BS. Whether the rules officials "made the right call" or not, the tourney made the wrong call by not giving everyone lift, clean, and place on balls in the fairway after that downpour anyway.

I will forever call BS as long as there are rules that allow a shot in the fairway to be punished. Until the tour goes to preferred lies in the fairway, they'll forever be in the wrong and I'll die on that hill. You hit the fairway, you should get rewarded, not punished. You shouldn't get ****ed over because the grounds crew is terrible or because someone else hit that same spot in the fairway 20 minutes before you, or in this case, because god deciced to take a piss on the spot your ball ended up. Complete ********. You miss the fairway, however, deal with what you get.

 

[gump]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

There needs to be visible water. Two officials both agreed that wasn't satisfied. Get it is a tough break with the lie but if both officials agree and they both know the rules much better then I do then think it was right ruling.

No idea when that video was taken but it continued to rain so not sure if that is representative.

the tourney made the wrong call by not giving everyone lift, clean, and place on balls in the fairway after that downpour anyway.

Once 1 golfer tees off while playing it ‘down’, you can’t flip to lift, clean, and place. That happens quite a bit at all levels.

But typically everyone is very liberal with standing water drops at that point too.

 

[encaitar]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

There needs to be visible water. Two officials both agreed that wasn't satisfied. Get it is a tough break with the lie but if both officials agree and they both know the rules much better then I do then think it was right ruling.

No idea when that video was taken but it continued to rain so not sure if that is representative.

the tourney made the wrong call by not giving everyone lift, clean, and place on balls in the fairway after that downpour anyway.

Once 1 golfer tees off while playing it ‘down’, you can’t flip to lift, clean, and place. That happens quite a bit at all levels.

But typically everyone is very liberal with standing water drops at that point too.

I get that. It sucks. Really weird that those officials were being such hard asses at that point. Faxon called it a mistake on air. Adam Scott said afterwards it was the wrong call. Obviously we know what Burns thought.

I still fall back on the tours should move to preferred lies in the fairway. Even on the greatest of days, you can get a mud ball in the fairway. That's BS. You can still end up in a divot. You can end up in an area with little grass coverage due to poor upkeep.(Not as likely on tour) That's BS. Golf is about hitting great shots. The more great shots you hit, then greater chance you have to win. The fact that you can hit a great shot(in the fairway) and still be punished for it is a terrible concept IMO.

Golf has made rule changes like this before. The embedded golf ball rule was changed in 2019 to include any general area outside of penalty or bunker areas. Before 2019 players only got relief from the fairways on embedded balls. The tour finally realized it was a stupid rule that went against the concept of fair play and changed it. They should do the same for preferred lies in the fairway IMO.

 

[Instinctive]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

There needs to be visible water. Two officials both agreed that wasn't satisfied. Get it is a tough break with the lie but if both officials agree and they both know the rules much better then I do then think it was right ruling.

No idea when that video was taken but it continued to rain so not sure if that is representative.

the tourney made the wrong call by not giving everyone lift, clean, and place on balls in the fairway after that downpour anyway.

Once 1 golfer tees off while playing it ‘down’, you can’t flip to lift, clean, and place. That happens quite a bit at all levels.

But typically everyone is very liberal with standing water drops at that point too.

I get that. It sucks. Really weird that those officials were being such hard asses at that point. Faxon called it a mistake on air. Adam Scott said afterwards it was the wrong call. Obviously we know what Burns thought.

I still fall back on the tours should move to preferred lies in the fairway. Even on the greatest of days, you can get a mud ball in the fairway. That's BS. You can still end up in a divot. You can end up in an area with little grass coverage due to poor upkeep.(Not as likely on tour) That's BS. Golf is about hitting great shots. The more great shots you hit, then greater chance you have to win. The fact that you can hit a great shot(in the fairway) and still be punished for it is a terrible concept IMO.

Golf has made rule changes like this before. The embedded golf ball rule was changed in 2019 to include any general area outside of penalty or bunker areas. Before 2019 players only got relief from the fairways on embedded balls. The tour finally realized it was a stupid rule that went against the concept of fair play and changed it. They should do the same for preferred lies in the fairway IMO.

I just finished Tom Doaks book, and there's a lot of interesting points he makes on playing as it lies being the original spirit of golf and how American fairways have come to be so manicured, with the other expectation of a perfect lie because you hit the fairway...vs the original courses where theres so much undulation and the fairways was really just grass that was a bit easier but still had challenges of its own.

It has shifted my mentality to one of "you can only have great shots following tough spots really" and rolling with stuff.

 

[UncleZen]

I feel like they should have stopped play for the day after the 1st stop for rain. It completely changed most of their gameplay at point and was just sloppy and bad. I am happy for JJ but Burns got screwed. It was a hard course that he was navigating better than everyone and the weather changed the outcome.

 

[encaitar]

Maybe he doesn't win anyway, but man it seems like Burns got a REALLY bad break with that ruling on the standing water. It seemed pretty clear with every practice swing (and then the actual shot) that that area was absolutely soaked.

And then someone posted a video walking around where he allegedly hit from and there was tons of visible water coming up with each step.

https://x.com/flushingitgolf/status/1934394450295353390

Always thought the whole "water has to come up around your feet" made no sense. Someone who weighs more is going to displace more water (and then be more likely to get a free drop), right?

Maybe the ruling was right at the time. I don think they ever gave us a close up of anyone's feet when they were deciding. But it certainly looked wrong based on the way water flew up on the shot.

That being said, he let one "Bad" (maybe) ruling cost him like 4 shots over the next 3 holes. Gotta get over it and keep your cool if you're gonna win the big one.

There needs to be visible water. Two officials both agreed that wasn't satisfied. Get it is a tough break with the lie but if both officials agree and they both know the rules much better then I do then think it was right ruling.

No idea when that video was taken but it continued to rain so not sure if that is representative.

the tourney made the wrong call by not giving everyone lift, clean, and place on balls in the fairway after that downpour anyway.

Once 1 golfer tees off while playing it ‘down’, you can’t flip to lift, clean, and place. That happens quite a bit at all levels.

But typically everyone is very liberal with standing water drops at that point too.

I get that. It sucks. Really weird that those officials were being such hard asses at that point. Faxon called it a mistake on air. Adam Scott said afterwards it was the wrong call. Obviously we know what Burns thought.

I still fall back on the tours should move to preferred lies in the fairway. Even on the greatest of days, you can get a mud ball in the fairway. That's BS. You can still end up in a divot. You can end up in an area with little grass coverage due to poor upkeep.(Not as likely on tour) That's BS. Golf is about hitting great shots. The more great shots you hit, then greater chance you have to win. The fact that you can hit a great shot(in the fairway) and still be punished for it is a terrible concept IMO.

Golf has made rule changes like this before. The embedded golf ball rule was changed in 2019 to include any general area outside of penalty or bunker areas. Before 2019 players only got relief from the fairways on embedded balls. The tour finally realized it was a stupid rule that went against the concept of fair play and changed it. They should do the same for preferred lies in the fairway IMO.

I just finished Tom Doaks book, and there's a lot of interesting points he makes on playboy as it lies being the original spirit of golf and how American fairways have come to be so manicured, with the other expectation of a perfect lie because you hit the fairway...vs the original courses where theres so much undulation and the fairways was really just grass that was a bit easier but still had challenges of its own.

It has shifted my mentality to one of "you can only have great shots following tough spots really" and rolling with stuff.

That may be what golf was, but it sure isn't what it is now.

American Football is nearly unrecognizable from the sport it was invented to be. Heck, baseball changed rules to make things more fair(strike zone reveiw etc.) They're much more aggressive about protecting the spirit of the game than golf has ever been.

Who knows what golf would've been 200 years ago if they'd had modern turf equipment and knowledge? This could very well be exactly what the first golfers dreamed it would be.