*** 2025 Pittsburgh Steelers: Starting QB? TBD later (5 Viewers)

[rockaction]

Do you remember where you picked Kenny Pickett?

Steelers didnt fall for the sunk cost fallacy, don't hold that against them in this deal.

I'm not giving them points for that. That's expected of million-dollar general managers. They need to have their trades traced to find out their efficacy. That was a terrible pick of Pickett. It cost them. You need to know the cost so you don't make the mistake again and so you have an accounting of exactly what you lost to reinforce your plan of action going forward.

I never said that they should hold Pickett because they'd already invested in him. That would be advocating for the sunk cost fallacy.

 

[sm8680]

In 2024 Steelers traded Kenny Pickett for the 98th pick in the draft. Which resulted in Peyton Wilson. One heck of a fleecing.

Having trouble telling if you're serious or if your tongue is jammed really firmly in your cheek. Are you so dry in your humor that my slobbering self is just missing it?

You're saying that you turned a third-round pick into a very good player, and that it was a fleecing. Let's start an asset tree. For this to be true at all, it is necessarily implied that either the player received (Wilson) has more value than your average third-round talent or the player you gave (Pickett) has less value than a third-round talent. You're looking for a net win in terms of value here. And on both of those scores, we might agree. Pickett probably has less value to the team (probably much less) than a third-round pick, and Wilson might have crept into the second had people known of his future potential (I doubt it because he plays a non-premium position, but let's not do that to him). So far, so good. You look like your claim stands and that you're right in your assessment.

But hold up. Do you remember where you picked Kenny Pickett? It was not with the 98th pick of the draft. It was with the twentieth pick overall. So do the second part of the asset tree with me. Essentially, given that Pickett went at twenty and you dealt him for ninety-eight, you lost quite a bit of value there. Especially given rookie pay slots. You wasted about three or four years of quality, cost-controlled first-round talent. So you lost that in the exchange. Then have to account for the fact that you lost seventy-eight spots of draft capital. Again, pretty bad. It's hard to say or quantify how much value Wilson has, but I can almost bet dollars to donuts that it's not seventy-eight spots in the draft plus the cost control of the first-round for five years of the talent one can get at that spot.

So I'm thinking you're kidding because that exchange (twentieth pick in the draft for Payton Wilson) isn't a very good one. That's not something to be thumping one's chest about. Maybe if you're a cut-your-losses guy. Then I can see it. But if we're doing an asset tree? Oof.

Wilson is going to be good, too. I watched him. Flies to the ball. But he's not a first-round pick.

And sorry about that. I'm just bored here late night and saw this. Got the gears shifting a bit.

You caught me being very brief in my original post. No need to apologize for being passionate in your views. it's always refreshing to hear someone who really thinks through their analysis. I can tell you’ve put a lot of effort into breaking this down, and I appreciate that.

That said, my perspective was simpler: I’m just happy the Steelers got more than a six-pack of beer for Kenny Pickett. He set the team back for years at the QB position with his lackluster performances.

Sure, from a pure asset management perspective, the loss of value from the 20th pick to the 98th pick does sting. But my "fleecing" comment came from the relief of no longer being tethered to a player who failed to meet expectations. Sometimes, cutting your losses and salvaging value where you can feel like a win, even if the exchange on paper doesn’t look optimal.

At the end of the day, Peyton Wilson’s upside gives me hope he’s a player who flies to the ball and could contribute more to the team than Pickett ever did. It’s about moving forward, even if the journey involves a step back in the draft order.

 

[rockaction]

But my "fleecing" comment came from the relief of no longer being tethered to a player who failed to meet expectations

Totally fair and noted. I would be giddy if I were a Steelers fan also. But then I'd be pissed that there was enough disconnect in the power structure to where Rooney wanted Pickett and went over the GMs head to select him (or so we hear). That's a bad way to run an organization. Sounds like my Jets, actually, and I get to watch that up close and personal every year.

it's always refreshing to hear someone who really thinks through their analysis. I can tell you’ve put a lot of effort into breaking this down, and I appreciate that.

Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it.

Payton Wilson looked good during the times I saw him last year, and his playing time seemed to increase as the year went on. With Elandon Roberts now on the Raiders, Wilson might see more time on the field with Patrick Queen, huh? When they're not in nickel, anyway. Should be interesting. Perhaps he even wins the MLB job from Queen over the next year or two and replaces him in nickel packages. Queen is more expensive and Baltimore sort of parted with him easily and quickly for Roquan Smith. Maybe not too likely, but you never know.

 

[Steeler]

Do you remember where you picked Kenny Pickett?

Steelers didnt fall for the sunk cost fallacy, don't hold that against them in this deal.

I'm not giving them points for that. That's expected of million-dollar general managers. They need to have their trades traced to find out their efficacy. That was a terrible pick of Pickett. It cost them. You need to know the cost so you don't make the mistake again and so you have an accounting of exactly what you lost to reinforce your plan of action going forward.

I never said that they should hold Pickett because they'd already invested in him. That would be advocating for the sunk cost fallacy.

I'm not going to argue with you, but it seems we are simply starting our evaluation of the situation at different points, but we aren't that far a part in our assesement. The Kenny pick in round 1 sucked. The trading of Pickett, who didn't want to compete with ancient R. WIlson, for what turned out to be P. Wilson looks really good right now.

If you assess the two event separately like me: one sucked and one was good (hopefully great). If you assess them together like you, it's a wash.

 

[pecorino]

I'm reading Jalen Milroe at pick 21. Really, I thought he was more like a 3rd round talent, maybe 2nd at most.

 

[eighsse2]

I'm reading Jalen Milroe at pick 21. Really, I thought he was more like a 3rd round talent, maybe 2nd at most.

I know nothing but yeah that would seem pretty laughable.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I'm reading Jalen Milroe at pick 21. Really, I thought he was more like a 3rd round talent, maybe 2nd at most.

No real intel, but I think he is a second rounder, but because we don’t have one we could reach or trade back.

I would think if Rodgers is signed though, that it’s all in this season and they take someone at 21 that can play today. If Milroe was there in the third they take him or perhaps if he falls later in the second they could trade into the round and have him sit as 3rd qb.

 

[Grid71]

Milroe seems like a super athletic 3rd - 5th round developmental prospect. As much as I like the kid seems a long shot to become an elite QB. First read then run player. Needs an OC building the game plan around his limitations.

I can see how the Steelers would like to draft him to help the run game. Just don’t see Milroe converting a high percentage 3rd down and short passes firing rockets.

Reference NFL.com draft profile

Weaknesses​

• Threw five touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 2024 SEC play.
• Hurried and lacking rhythm when working from the pocket.
• Processing and decision-making are troubling at times.
• Struggles to make anticipatory throws.
• Success rate plummets when forced to come off primary option.
• Fires hard-to-catch rockets at underneath targets.
• Sails deep-outs and forces crossing routes to break stride to catch it.
• Slow to feel mounting pressure and takes too many sacks.
• Inconsistent trajectory on intermediate and deep-touch throws.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

If they take Milroe in the 1st and it doesn't work out, a significant number of people should be in line to lose their jobs.

 

[rockaction]

They're not really taking Milroe at 21, are they? I remember when they were going to trade up for Fields or pick Malik Willis because Tomlin loved both guys (I think there's a hint of something that makes me go "ahem" in those analyses, but I almost never say stuff like that, so I'll refrain and give everybody the benefit of the doubt—and they did eventually sign Fields, so where there's smoke . . .). I'd have a hard time seeing them take as raw a guy as Milroe. I don't know because I don't evaluate QBs, but most people have Milroe going in the second or third round. We shall see.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

If they take Milroe in the 1st and it doesn't work out, a significant number of people should be in line to lose their jobs.

Fixed.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I'm reading Jalen Milroe at pick 21. Really, I thought he was more like a 3rd round talent, maybe 2nd at most.

No real intel, but I think he is a second rounder, but because we don’t have one we could reach or trade back.

I would think if Rodgers is signed though, that it’s all in this season and they take someone at 21 that can play today. If Milroe was there in the third they take him or perhaps if he falls later in the second they could trade into the round and have him sit as 3rd qb.

RB is probably the only spot where they can draft a guy in the first and expect him to be a significant contributor this year. They could draft a NT and have him start and kick Benton out, but that really makes no sense with a 1st round pick. WR is maybe a spot if they trade Pickens.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Fixed

If he's really good why would anybody be fired over it?

 

[rockaction]

Fixed

If he's really good why would anybody be fired over it?

I think he’s saying there is not a non-zero chance of Milroe being successful (working out). He’s putting the probability of him being good any time soon at zero percent.

Hence fixing your equivocation about the likelihood of Milroe being good for the Steelers.

He also might be saying that picking him at 21 would be so stupid that the people responsible should be fired on the spot without waiting to see how it turns out. I get that. It’s such a bad reach for a guy that is so raw.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement.

 

[rockaction]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement

Maybe just a way of saying, “Sure I’m sure. Unapologetically sure.”

eta* I’m just getting a kick out of it. Don’t take me as actual translator. Neither me nor 5-ish (at least me and likely him) are being too serious or literal.

 

[cdclopper]

I think the Steelers need to dismantle their entire scouting department as it stands and start over with a solid foundation of people who post in the Shark Pool. Many of us have been watching football for a long time, and some of us even watch college football when we get a chance.

 

[rockaction]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement.

Now I'll get a little bit serious. One of the reasons you might fire them on the spot is that they reached so badly again for a quarterback that the people in charge of making the picks don't deserve that job again regardless of whether or not the pick is a success. There, one might hold that the process that led to the selection of the player is so bad that they deserve to be fired for it and that the proof resides in the pick itself, not the subsequent success of that player.

Another way to look at it. Say it's Milroe, and he's universally thought to be a third rounder (say this is the case because it isn't necessarily true) and you pick him with the first overall selection. Well, the opportunity cost of that draft capital might be so great that you deserve to be canned for your pick. Your process was awful. It's the perspective that the selectors went so far away from consensus that they cost their team regardless of how the player winds up because they could have had him in the second or third round and picked a player more befitting the 1.01. They thereby would have gotten two excellent players (should that hypothetical third-round pick work out as a success from the 1.01) and that would cost the team dearly, and the incompetence should get you fired.

Also, there's the thought that the pick itself is proof a bad draft process. In otherwords, simply making the pick means you don't know what the heck you're doing. This is more circular logic, but it can hold. The old phrase "the proof is in the pudding" is something along these lines.

Anyway, fin.

 

[pghrob]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement.

Now I'll get a little bit serious. One of the reasons you might fire them on the spot is that they reached so badly again for a quarterback that the people in charge of making the picks don't deserve that job again regardless of whether or not the pick is a success. There, one might hold that the process that led to the selection of the player is so bad that they deserve to be fired for it and that the proof resides in the pick itself, not the subsequent success of that player.

Another way to look at it. Say it's Milroe, and he's universally thought to be a third rounder (say this is the case because it isn't necessarily true) and you pick him with the first overall selection. Well, the opportunity cost of that draft capital might be so great that you deserve to be canned for your pick. Your process was awful. It's the perspective that the selectors went so far away from consensus that they cost their team regardless of how the player winds up because they could have had him in the second or third round and picked a player more befitting the 1.01. They thereby would have gotten two excellent players (should that hypothetical third-round pick work out as a success from the 1.01) and that would cost the team dearly, and the incompetence should get you fired.

Also, there's the thought that the pick itself is proof a bad draft process. In otherwords, simply making the pick means you don't know what the heck you're doing. This is more circular logic, but it can hold. The old phrase "the proof is in the pudding" is something along these lines.

Anyway, fin.

Two real life examples was when the Steelers selected Virginia Tech defensive back and safety Terrell Edmunds in the first round of the 2108 draft when he was rated as a 3rd round prospect. They did it again with Kenny Pickett in 2022.

The Steelers reached. The players were not as good as the Steelers projected them to be.

They could have waited until round 2 if they coveted these players and were worried they wouldn't get them. But something in their process evaluated them as so good they justified taking them in round 1, the tradeoff being passing on other players who might carry less risk and project to be more reliable NFL caliber players and then end up actually being solid starters in the league.

Who did they pass on taking?

Looking back at draft selections after the benefit of time can be instructive for lessons learned.

The draft is a bit of a crapshoot.

2018 NFL Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the 2018 NFL Draft Results including drafted players and trade timelines and their career stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com

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[pghrob]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement.

Now I'll get a little bit serious. One of the reasons you might fire them on the spot is that they reached so badly again for a quarterback that the people in charge of making the picks don't deserve that job again regardless of whether or not the pick is a success. There, one might hold that the process that led to the selection of the player is so bad that they deserve to be fired for it and that the proof resides in the pick itself, not the subsequent success of that player.

Another way to look at it. Say it's Milroe, and he's universally thought to be a third rounder (say this is the case because it isn't necessarily true) and you pick him with the first overall selection. Well, the opportunity cost of that draft capital might be so great that you deserve to be canned for your pick. Your process was awful. It's the perspective that the selectors went so far away from consensus that they cost their team regardless of how the player winds up because they could have had him in the second or third round and picked a player more befitting the 1.01. They thereby would have gotten two excellent players (should that hypothetical third-round pick work out as a success from the 1.01) and that would cost the team dearly, and the incompetence should get you fired.

Also, there's the thought that the pick itself is proof a bad draft process. In otherwords, simply making the pick means you don't know what the heck you're doing. This is more circular logic, but it can hold. The old phrase "the proof is in the pudding" is something along these lines.

Anyway, fin.

Two real life examples was when the Steelers selected Virginia Tech defensive back and safety Terrell Edmunds in the first round of the 2108 draft when he was rated as a 3rd round prospect. They did it again with Kenny Pickett in 2022.

The Steelers reached. The players were not as good as the Steelers projected them to be.

They could have waited until round 2 if they coveted these players and were worried they wouldn't get them. But something in their process evaluated them as so good they justified taking them in round 1, the tradeoff being passing on other players who might carry less risk and project to be more reliable NFL caliber players and then end up actually being solid starters in the league.

Who did they pass on taking?

Looking back at draft selections after the benefit of time can be instructive for lessons learned.

The draft is a bit of a crapshoot.

2018 NFL Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the 2018 NFL Draft Results including drafted players and trade timelines and their career stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com

www.pro-football-reference.com

2022 NFL Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the 2022 NFL Draft Results including drafted players and trade timelines and their career stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com

www.pro-football-reference.com

I'll acknowledge that Edmunds was solid but not spectacular and would have been fair value as a 3rd round selection. Pickett too as a backup caliber QB could have been fair value as a 3rd round.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement.

Now I'll get a little bit serious. One of the reasons you might fire them on the spot is that they reached so badly again for a quarterback that the people in charge of making the picks don't deserve that job again regardless of whether or not the pick is a success. There, one might hold that the process that led to the selection of the player is so bad that they deserve to be fired for it and that the proof resides in the pick itself, not the subsequent success of that player.

Another way to look at it. Say it's Milroe, and he's universally thought to be a third rounder (say this is the case because it isn't necessarily true) and you pick him with the first overall selection. Well, the opportunity cost of that draft capital might be so great that you deserve to be canned for your pick. Your process was awful. It's the perspective that the selectors went so far away from consensus that they cost their team regardless of how the player winds up because they could have had him in the second or third round and picked a player more befitting the 1.01. They thereby would have gotten two excellent players (should that hypothetical third-round pick work out as a success from the 1.01) and that would cost the team dearly, and the incompetence should get you fired.

Also, there's the thought that the pick itself is proof a bad draft process. In otherwords, simply making the pick means you don't know what the heck you're doing. This is more circular logic, but it can hold. The old phrase "the proof is in the pudding" is something along these lines.

Anyway, fin.

The issue is that if they make that pick, it was almost certainly the owner's call

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

That's probably how it works out but you still have to give it a chance before making a judgement.

Now I'll get a little bit serious. One of the reasons you might fire them on the spot is that they reached so badly again for a quarterback that the people in charge of making the picks don't deserve that job again regardless of whether or not the pick is a success. There, one might hold that the process that led to the selection of the player is so bad that they deserve to be fired for it and that the proof resides in the pick itself, not the subsequent success of that player.

Another way to look at it. Say it's Milroe, and he's universally thought to be a third rounder (say this is the case because it isn't necessarily true) and you pick him with the first overall selection. Well, the opportunity cost of that draft capital might be so great that you deserve to be canned for your pick. Your process was awful. It's the perspective that the selectors went so far away from consensus that they cost their team regardless of how the player winds up because they could have had him in the second or third round and picked a player more befitting the 1.01. They thereby would have gotten two excellent players (should that hypothetical third-round pick work out as a success from the 1.01) and that would cost the team dearly, and the incompetence should get you fired.

Also, there's the thought that the pick itself is proof a bad draft process. In otherwords, simply making the pick means you don't know what the heck you're doing. This is more circular logic, but it can hold. The old phrase "the proof is in the pudding" is something along these lines.

Anyway, fin.

Two real life examples was when the Steelers selected Virginia Tech defensive back and safety Terrell Edmunds in the first round of the 2108 draft when he was rated as a 3rd round prospect. They did it again with Kenny Pickett in 2022.

The Steelers reached. The players were not as good as the Steelers projected them to be.

They could have waited until round 2 if they coveted these players and were worried they wouldn't get them. But something in their process evaluated them as so good they justified taking them in round 1, the tradeoff being passing on other players who might carry less risk and project to be more reliable NFL caliber players and then end up actually being solid starters in the league.

Who did they pass on taking?

Looking back at draft selections after the benefit of time can be instructive for lessons learned.

The draft is a bit of a crapshoot.

2018 NFL Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the 2018 NFL Draft Results including drafted players and trade timelines and their career stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com

www.pro-football-reference.com

2022 NFL Draft Listing | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the 2022 NFL Draft Results including drafted players and trade timelines and their career stats on Pro-Football-Reference.com

www.pro-football-reference.com

Someone had Edmunds as a third rounder, but that wasn't really out of the range of his ranking. He wasn't a bad pick either. On your own link you can look at AV and see he represents OK value for a 28th pick. He produced more value than about 1/3 of the 1st round picks. I hated the Pickett selection, but you are now ignoring that draft projections all had him going in the 1st round. You can also go back to 2017 and say they took Watt who was rated as a 2nd rounder over Foster who went one pick later and was much higher rated. If you want to lay blame, Edmunds pick was made by Colbert and Pickett was made by Rooney. The last 2 drafts have been good.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

 

[rockaction]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

Going with Rudolph means you have to look guys in the eye in training camp and lie through your teeth about competing for a title this year. That’s too much for some men, myself included.

era* you’re doing the same with Rodgers, but if you’re going with Rodgers then you’re delusional anyway, so you can always convince yourself you’re going for it, I guess. I’ve never understood Pittsburgh’s thinking, but menobrown spelled it out pretty well a few pages back. They made the playoffs and had a brutal schedule. If you think that two years removed from surgery Rodgers will be better than he was last year, and if you squint hard enough at your team that you’re adjusting your farsightedness, then you might just see a winner.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

Going with Rudolph means you have to look guys in the eye in training camp and lie through your teeth about competing for a title this year. That’s too much for some men, myself included.

Is ARod going to make them more competitive at this point?

 

[rockaction]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

Going with Rudolph means you have to look guys in the eye in training camp and lie through your teeth about competing for a title this year. That’s too much for some men, myself included.

Is ARod going to make them more competitive at this point?

Ah, I was editing. See above. Delusions of grandeur and the ability to lie to ourselves goes a long way towards shaping men who are putting themselves on the line for something.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

Going with Rudolph means you have to look guys in the eye in training camp and lie through your teeth about competing for a title this year. That’s too much for some men, myself included.

Is ARod going to make them more competitive at this point?

Ah, I was editing. See above. Delusions of grandeur and the ability to lie to ourselves goes a long way towards shaping men who are putting themselves on the line for something.

Agree with your edits, and that occurred to me as well.

I would counter that by saying that players know who’s got ability or not. Ball don’t lie. And less ARod means more $ for contract extensions, or to fill gaps that actually would help them to complete better.

I recall Rudolph starts - they played hard with him behind center.

At this point I wonder if player perception is that ARod is washed. He’s rubbed quite a few players the wrong way over the years - I recall more than a few who were pissed that he lied about being vaccinated. People with kids who felt he put himself ahead of the wider good & put their safety at risk.

I dunno - if this were a 35 year old ARod, sure. But 41, soon to be 42 yr old ARod who sails passes, then blames his receivers for it could be a psychological liability for a team.

It’s telling that no one wanted him, despite 5-6 teams with a need for a QB.

Rodgers made a big public push for the Rams & they were like “nah, we good, fam. Good luck out there cuz.”

Then he put out a press release that the Vikings wanted him & the Vikes were like “yeah never say never but prob not bro”

Now it’s Steelers or bust, and Tomlin has the chance to do the funniest thing by basically forcing retirement on ARod.

Personally I hope that’s how this plays out.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

T.J. Watt rumors have Steelers fans pushing back against blockbuster trade
... one set of rumors in particular, involving Steelers superstar T.J. Watt being traded to get the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft ...

 

[menobrown]

T.J. Watt rumors have Steelers fans pushing back against blockbuster trade
... one set of rumors in particular, involving Steelers superstar T.J. Watt being traded to get the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL Draft ...

No offense but this is silly, he's not getting you the 1.1. Probably more like a mid first at best.

 

[menobrown]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

 

[crushedspirit]

Ten is not in a win-now mode, so a trade of that nature is beyond silly to even suggest.

Clickbait

 

[menobrown]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

 

[Grid71]

My prediction: A A Ron waits until the NFL draft starts round 1 before announcing he accepts the Steelers offer. He wants to steal the spotlight from the kids being interviewed after being selected for personal gratification.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

ARod could also be a disaster. A much more expensive one.

 

[menobrown]

My prediction: A A Ron waits until the NFL draft starts round 1 before announcing he accepts the Steelers offer. He wants to steal the spotlight from the kids being interviewed after being selected for personal gratification.

Maybe. I was thinking of two deadlines. April 21 or May 2nd. I recall how much he got criticized for being in Egypt during off-season work last year so was thinking he might make a decision before the first time the Steelers can report for off-season work(April 21) or the first time they can start post-draft minicamps(May 2nd the earliest).

I've been thinking if no one is setting a deadline on him, if he does not accept a job by those dates he will just wait all the way till camps opening or later. See if an injury pops up, if Vikings change their mind, etc,etc.

 

[menobrown]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

ARod could also be a disaster. A much more expensive one.

There are no guarantees but he's pretty clearly better then Rudolph and it's not very close. Despite what some people in this thread think or write the Steelers are not run by a bunch of dolts. There is a reason they prioritized Rodgers over keeping Fields or Russ, they studied the tape, and I don't think they are wrong and they got all the cap space they need for a year of Rodgers.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There are no guarantees but he's pretty clearly better then Rudolph and it's not very close

I think he might be washed.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Him washed is still better than Rudolph could ever dream of being.

 

[menobrown]

Him washed is still better than Rudolph could ever dream of being.

Yes, easily so and as always give me the player who people can at least debate whether or not he's washed, who can provide an element of hope and optimism, vs the guy that will never even have enough of a high point in his career that anyone will ever ask if "he's washed or not".

 

[sm8680]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

ARod could also be a disaster. A much more expensive one.

There are no guarantees but he's pretty clearly better then Rudolph and it's not very close. Despite what some people in this thread think or write the Steelers are not run by a bunch of dolts. There is a reason they prioritized Rodgers over keeping Fields or Russ, they studied the tape, and I don't think they are wrong and they got all the cap space they need for a year of Rodgers.

Not sure where your finding Steelers prioritized AHem Rroid over Justin Fields prior to 2025 Free Agency. Steelers offered Justin a contract and he felt more valued by the Jets.

 

[menobrown]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

ARod could also be a disaster. A much more expensive one.

There are no guarantees but he's pretty clearly better then Rudolph and it's not very close. Despite what some people in this thread think or write the Steelers are not run by a bunch of dolts. There is a reason they prioritized Rodgers over keeping Fields or Russ, they studied the tape, and I don't think they are wrong and they got all the cap space they need for a year of Rodgers.

Not sure where your finding Steelers prioritized AHem Rroid over Justin Fields prior to 2025 Free Agency. Steelers offered Justin a contract and he felt more valued by the Jets.

I've read it from a source I put a lot of trust in, Rodgers has always been their target and focus and I don't actually have much doubt about it.

 

[sm8680]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

ARod could also be a disaster. A much more expensive one.

There are no guarantees but he's pretty clearly better then Rudolph and it's not very close. Despite what some people in this thread think or write the Steelers are not run by a bunch of dolts. There is a reason they prioritized Rodgers over keeping Fields or Russ, they studied the tape, and I don't think they are wrong and they got all the cap space they need for a year of Rodgers.

Not sure where your finding Steelers prioritized AHem Rroid over Justin Fields prior to 2025 Free Agency. Steelers offered Justin a contract and he felt more valued by the Jets.

I've read it from a source I put a lot of trust in, Rodgers has always been their target and focus and I don't actually have much doubt about it.

Then IMHO the Steelers are run by a bunch of dolts.

 

[menobrown]

Honestly think PIT would be better off with Rudolph behind center. He’s cheap, a team first guy, and players like him.

The drama that comes with ARod was fine when he was at the top of his game. At this point is the juice worth the squeeze?

You are wish casting to hard because you got Rudolph on your SF team.

Absolutely.




But I actually do believe the two QBs aren’t too far apart at their respective career stages. Add in ARod’s extracurriculars and I do feel like PIT is better off with Rudolph.

I must disagree. Joe Bryant had asked the question the other day about where would you rank Rodgers and I had him as QB23 but very close to Qb's going 7 spots above him. I'd probably put Rudolph somehwere in the mid 40's. Not even a high end backup IMO. If he's the starting QB after making that Metcalf trade it's a disaster turn of events IMO.

ARod could also be a disaster. A much more expensive one.

There are no guarantees but he's pretty clearly better then Rudolph and it's not very close. Despite what some people in this thread think or write the Steelers are not run by a bunch of dolts. There is a reason they prioritized Rodgers over keeping Fields or Russ, they studied the tape, and I don't think they are wrong and they got all the cap space they need for a year of Rodgers.

Not sure where your finding Steelers prioritized AHem Rroid over Justin Fields prior to 2025 Free Agency. Steelers offered Justin a contract and he felt more valued by the Jets.

I've read it from a source I put a lot of trust in, Rodgers has always been their target and focus and I don't actually have much doubt about it.

Then IMHO the Steelers are run by a bunch of dolts.

I did not want to mention anyone by name earlier.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Him washed is still better than Rudolph could ever dream of being.

Maybe. Depends on whether they hate him in the locker room.

 

[sm8680]

Hot Sauce Guy you brought up a good point about whether they will hate AR or not. When Mason Rudolph assumed leadership of the team toward the close of the 2023 season, the players seemed to rally around him and give their best effort. Back to AR the Jets players purportedly liked him. But how can you when he's skipping offseason activities.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But how can you when he's skipping offseason activities.

And going on the Pat Macafee show all the time, sayin all kinda weird sh*t.

Culture is a thing that matters. I just don’t see ARod as a Steeler. I fully concede that I don’t like ARod and that likely taints my position in this discussion. But I also don’t think he’s very good at football anymore, and wasn’t at all impressed with his play in NY.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Rodgers lost his calling card (taking care of the football) years ago. Now he's a guy with a great football brain trapped in a slow body that can't make the plays he used to make. He's okay, but is he better than Fields?

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Maybe. Depends on whether they hate him in the locker room.

I assume that a lot of guys in those top tier locker rooms don't like each other. How could they? An assortment of some of the biggest aggressive egos in your country.

Tensions fray when you're losing or feeling like there's no hope. There is no hope, and they will almost certainly be losing, with Mason Rudolph as the QB.

I'm personally all for it. I think the team needs a complete reset.

 

[karl.Racki]

I would find it so funny if we acquired Will Levis and rolled with Mason and Levis after they got the Titans the #1 overall pick.