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It can be argued that the Ravens teams underachieved for sure, but at least he's led teams to a playoff win in 3 of the past 5 seasons and his losses have come to the Bills twice, Chiefs, and Bengals. That's better than any stretch Tomlin has had since 2007 to 2010.1-5 in the Divisional Round/Conference Championship Round since the 2012 Super Bowl, they followed up the only Divisional win in the last 12 years with the AFC Championship game where they gave the ball to Running Backs 8 times all game despite having one of the best rushing attacks in NFL historyNow ppl want Harbs fired too. That's wild to me.
Yeah, I've heard this on some of the NFL talk shows lately. Many feel that Harbaugh could be coaching to save his job ROS. If BAL misses the playoffs or has a 1st round exit... he's in trouble.
Maybe too many years as the "team with the best roster in the AFC" and everyone's darling Super Bowl pick and no (recent) trophies to show for it.
He has overseen the creation of a roster filled with nice, good citizen guys who have absolutely no dog among them and continually come up small in the biggest moments. They started this season 1-5 and only got back to .500 by beating the Bears, Dolphins, Vikings, Browns, and Jets, before getting shredded by the Bengals on Thanksgiving. Getting to 1 Championship Game in 12 years with a continually outstanding roster, including 2 MVP seasons by your QB, that both ended with home playoff losses is not the stuff of legends

I hope so. I'd much rather give him a shot over Mason, even if Mason looks better in practice.With that said Howard will get every shot in the world to win the job next year. The problem is that the team has so many damn holes that I’m not sure how he could possibly be put in a position to succeed.
Queen has probably been our best ILB, but too often I see a RB running through his attempts at arm tackles.
We need new life in the safety room (unless the Ramsey move is permanent)
We basically really need WR, OL, DL, ILB, Corner, and Safety.
Khan is doing such a great job... The only hope is that there are a lot of short term contacts that don't affect the future.We basically really need WR, OL, DL, ILB, Corner, and Safety.
All that money spent on D, and they need help at every position except edge.![]()
This guy agrees with you it seems. https://x.com/TraiDay79/status/1995260209791414388Queen has probably been our best ILB, but too often I see a RB running through his attempts at arm tackles.
I disagree on this one. Wilson certainly has his own issues, but he's outplayed Queen this season in most games.
Queen's missed tackle rate is E.L.E.-level bad in 2025. He's been taken advantage of in coverage repeatedly as well (though some of that is schematic.) Just all around not a good year for him overall, no matter what his counting stats may indicate at the end of the year. Getting 6-10 tackles in a game is great....unless they're all 6-10 yards down the field (aka "The Barrett Ruud" Method").
I still think he's a good player, but not a great one. Certainly a great athlete...but they're paying him to be a great player. And in this scheme he's a bit miscast, particularly without a true NT to keep him clean.
we might be able to see Samuel enough by seasons end to know if the can play opposite of Porter. Would be nice to not have to prioritize CB, knowing so many other positions need new options. I'd bring back Dugger, Elliott, and the Ramsey option for Safety, draft depth piece late. Ramsey, Samuel, Porter, Pierre not bad a CB, but not sure I want Ramsey matched up vs a big time WR 1on1.I hope so. I'd much rather give him a shot over Mason, even if Mason looks better in practice.With that said Howard will get every shot in the world to win the job next year. The problem is that the team has so many damn holes that I’m not sure how he could possibly be put in a position to succeed.
And I think with another offseason we can fill some holes. We currently have ~$70 million in cap space for 2026.
We basically really need WR, OL, DL, ILB, Corner, and Safety.
- QB - Roll with Howard, Rudolph, and a random 3rd QB (draft or FA)
- RB - Gainwell is a FA, not sure we re-sign him even though he's been a bright spot in our awful offense. If he leaves it's Warren and Kaleb Johnson, and probably a draft pick or UDFA. Feels like Warren and Johnson should have complementary skills.
- WR - DK, Roman, and Ben Skowronek (who's mostly special teams). We need 2-3 free agents and draft picks. Even though we traded for DK it feels like we need a #1 WR, possibly 1st round.
- TE - Muth, Darnell, and Jonnu. Cut Jonnu and save $7 mil. Bad signing but I'm sure Arthur Smith lobbied for him. Connor Heyward another special teams guy, maybe sign to vet min? Feels like he has flashed at times but never really found his place.
- OL - Jones in the final year of his contract, Fautanu, Frazier, and McCormick all signed through 2027. Seumalo free agent. He has had some good games, but also a fair amount of crap games. Might be worth re-signing to keep continuity on the line, but taking a guard in the early rounds of the draft might be a cheaper solution. Could also use an upgrade at LT, Jones has improved some, but idk that he ever becomes a great player.
- OLB - Our 4 OLBs are locked in. I would be shocked if TJ got traded, but some others are alluding to it happening. It feels like the Steelers always keep those kinds of tentpole players no matter what, but we'll see. If he's traded we save $12m with a $30m dead cap hit.
- DL - The only players signed for next year are Heyward, Harmon, Benton, Black, and Logan Lee. Heyward has a ~$19m cap hit and I don't think any dead cap space. The Steelers might move on, but then our DL will be in even more dire straights.
- ILB - Cole Holcomb becomes a FA, feels like he hasn't bounced back from injury. Queen, Harrison, Wilson, and Bruener signed through next year. Definitely feels like we could upgrade at ILB. Queen has probably been our best ILB, but too often I see a RB running through his attempts at arm tackles.
- Cornerback - Joey Porter Jr is still solid and should be extended IMO. Echols has been surprisingly good, and James Pierre is a good backup (Pierre is a FA, probably cheap to re-sign). Ramsey is currently our top CB who isn't playing CB. He's playing safety with Elliott out, and it did improve things in some ways. I think we keep Ramsey, but I'm not 100% confident, just because we're paying him a lot to play safety. We'll see.
- Safety - Woof. Elliott is pretty good, as is Dugger. We need new life in the safety room (unless the Ramsey move is permanent). And Dugger will be a FA.
Very fair, I mainly see Wilson crashing too hard on run plays and letting it bounce outside around him. He has made some excellent plays this year and is definitely a blue chip player for us moving forward. I think he can still develop to have a higher ceiling and possibly become great.Queen has probably been our best ILB, but too often I see a RB running through his attempts at arm tackles.
I disagree on this one. Wilson certainly has his own issues, but he's outplayed Queen this season in most games.
He has a different gear coming out of cuts and changing direction especially. He really stood out both times I saw him at training camp. But as long as Arthur Smith is calling plays, who the #3 receiver is won't matter much.Oh man, saw a breakdown some of Roman Wilson's routes. Poor guy. He's open but the ball isn't coming or is way off target. Gives me hope that he can be a solid WR3 next year.
Oh man, saw a breakdown some of Roman Wilson's routes. Poor guy. He's open but the ball isn't coming or is way off target.
Do you have a link?Oh man, saw a breakdown some of Roman Wilson's routes. Poor guy. He's open but the ball isn't coming or is way off target. Gives me hope that he can be a solid WR3 next year.
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Do you have a link?Oh man, saw a breakdown some of Roman Wilson's routes. Poor guy. He's open but the ball isn't coming or is way off target. Gives me hope that he can be a solid WR3 next year.
First time since 1999 that Ravens and Steelers have met in December or later with neither team having a winning record
Yeah, apparently muth is "unimportant" in this offense. Dumb!Them not using Freiermuth more is willfully obtuse. When targeted all he's done is move chains or score.
"But 5. Mu-muh Jonnu!!!"
It's stupid.
Jonnu Smith can't run the proper route to account for defensive alignment, or at least not the route Rodgers wants him to run. Just cut/bench Smith and get Muth on the field. He should be our #2 target behind DK, and he is getting almost 0 targets.![]()
It turns out, the Steelers have more tight ends than they know what to do with
Pat Freiermuth and Jonnu Smith haven't been on the field much considering their high-end salaries.www.nytimes.com
But if he was still in Pittsburgh he'd probably have less yards receiving than freiermuth
Either that stat is meaningless, or the Steelers have the worst OC in the league. I may lean to the latter.
I don't know. Even if the OL was the best in the league, the skill positions in total are bottom 5 in the league IMO.Either that stat is meaningless, or the Steelers have the worst OC in the league. I may lean to the latter.
I don't know. Even if the OL was the best in the league, the skill positions in total are bottom 5 in the league IMO.Either that stat is meaningless, or the Steelers have the worst OC in the league. I may lean to the latter.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Steelers “are not going to fire Mike Tomlin.”
At 6-6 with a spiraling offense and a defense that has failed to live up to the hype, the Steelers are seemingly headed for, at best, another short-lived playoff run. They still need to make the postseason, likely by winning the AFC North, to even see another Wild Card Round loss. Pittsburgh fans have yet to experience a losing season under Tomlin. On the other hand, they haven’t seen a playoff win since 2017. His defense-first approach worked wonders when the offense took care of itself. That hasn’t been the case since Ben Roethlisberger retired, and it might be time for the team to try something new. Schefter notes that Tomlin is under contract through 20226 and his contract has a team option for 2027. The Steelers need to decide on that option by March 1. Declining the option could mark the beginning of the end for one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.
As a Giants fan I would ask Steeler Nation to ramp up The Fire Tomlin sentimentHey, good news Steelers fans!
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Steelers “are not going to fire Mike Tomlin.”
At 6-6 with a spiraling offense and a defense that has failed to live up to the hype, the Steelers are seemingly headed for, at best, another short-lived playoff run. They still need to make the postseason, likely by winning the AFC North, to even see another Wild Card Round loss. Pittsburgh fans have yet to experience a losing season under Tomlin. On the other hand, they haven’t seen a playoff win since 2017. His defense-first approach worked wonders when the offense took care of itself. That hasn’t been the case since Ben Roethlisberger retired, and it might be time for the team to try something new. Schefter notes that Tomlin is under contract through 20226 and his contract has a team option for 2027. The Steelers need to decide on that option by March 1. Declining the option could mark the beginning of the end for one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.
I’d bet 80% of resident Steeler fans yelled an expletive reading this news.As a Giants fan I would ask Steeler Nation to ramp up The Fire Tomlin sentimentHey, good news Steelers fans!
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Steelers “are not going to fire Mike Tomlin.”
At 6-6 with a spiraling offense and a defense that has failed to live up to the hype, the Steelers are seemingly headed for, at best, another short-lived playoff run. They still need to make the postseason, likely by winning the AFC North, to even see another Wild Card Round loss. Pittsburgh fans have yet to experience a losing season under Tomlin. On the other hand, they haven’t seen a playoff win since 2017. His defense-first approach worked wonders when the offense took care of itself. That hasn’t been the case since Ben Roethlisberger retired, and it might be time for the team to try something new. Schefter notes that Tomlin is under contract through 20226 and his contract has a team option for 2027. The Steelers need to decide on that option by March 1. Declining the option could mark the beginning of the end for one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.
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Wish grantedAs a Giants fan I would ask Steeler Nation to ramp up The Fire Tomlin sentimentHey, good news Steelers fans!
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports the Steelers “are not going to fire Mike Tomlin.”
At 6-6 with a spiraling offense and a defense that has failed to live up to the hype, the Steelers are seemingly headed for, at best, another short-lived playoff run. They still need to make the postseason, likely by winning the AFC North, to even see another Wild Card Round loss. Pittsburgh fans have yet to experience a losing season under Tomlin. On the other hand, they haven’t seen a playoff win since 2017. His defense-first approach worked wonders when the offense took care of itself. That hasn’t been the case since Ben Roethlisberger retired, and it might be time for the team to try something new. Schefter notes that Tomlin is under contract through 20226 and his contract has a team option for 2027. The Steelers need to decide on that option by March 1. Declining the option could mark the beginning of the end for one of the most successful coaches in NFL history.
Flood The Steelers front office with e-mails,snail mail,special deliveries on the subject
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Steelers want to go to the playoffs this year? They have to win the division. They want to win the division? They must bet the Ravens both games they face them.
The next Ravens game will most likely not matter for the division.Steelers want to go to the playoffs this year? They have to win the division. They want to win the division? They must bet the Ravens both games they face them.
This game is pretty much the season from where I'm standing. I know mathematically it's not, but if they can't beat them twice they probably are not winning this division no way know how.
The next Ravens game will most likely not matter for the division.Steelers want to go to the playoffs this year? They have to win the division. They want to win the division? They must bet the Ravens both games they face them.
This game is pretty much the season from where I'm standing. I know mathematically it's not, but if they can't beat them twice they probably are not winning this division no way know how.
Those are the 2 key games for the Steelers. If they beat Miami and Cleveland, they're virtually a lock to make the playoffs. But as you said, we've seen this movie before. Thank goodness for being in theThe next Ravens game will most likely not matter for the division.Steelers want to go to the playoffs this year? They have to win the division. They want to win the division? They must bet the Ravens both games they face them.
This game is pretty much the season from where I'm standing. I know mathematically it's not, but if they can't beat them twice they probably are not winning this division no way know how.
Because the Steelers would never lose two games to the Dolphins and Browns that they shouldnt, while the Ravens won a couple including vs the Bengals?
"Most" likely? Maybe not,but Ive seen this movie before. I do not trust this team to do anything "expected."
The weather for MNF should favor the Steelers bigly. Should be about 20 around game time with snow flurries.
Achane left the game yesterday with a rib injury so if he is out that could be another advantage
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DK Metcalf took a hard shot during the game and the goal was to rule out any significant internal injuries. It's too early to tell how Metcalf's status for the #Steelers MNF game vs. the #Dolphins will be affected. But the extra day helps.
Did I see Metcalf on the punt coverage team yesterday?Metcalf removed from plane and hospitalized in Baltimore due to stomach pains.
The interior of the OL is above average, but the T play is terrible. Jones is one of the worst starters in the league and Fautanu is well below average. They are clearly a below average line at best
Steelers couldn’t do crap on the ground at all yesterday but especially up in the middle,The interior of the OL is above average, but the T play is terrible. Jones is one of the worst starters in the league and Fautanu is well below average. They are clearly a below average line at best
Still, it seems to vary week to week. I’m not sure how the Dolphins run defense is though