2025 Team Defense & Defense by Committee Thread (5 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

Just to be clear, the table with all 32 teams is Fantasy Football Points Allowed to DST, e.g., those are the most generous offenses.

The second table is the scoring format for DSTs in one specific league so you can piece together how appliable that might be for your own league's scoring format.

And.....just so I am clear on your League's defenses and your table.....the New York Giants defense is the defense that allows the most points to an opposing offense, they are the most generous in giving up points, right?? They are the worst defense in your league while the SF defense is the best (duh!)?

Nope

The table doesn’t tell you who is the best or worst defense. It tells which offense yields the most or least points to defenses. The New York Giants offense allows the most DST points. The San Francisco offense allows the fewest DST points.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Rolling with the Saints this week in the dome.

 

[Faust]

Steelers Defense Has One Huge Mismatch Over Titans

‘No Steel Curtain Here. It’s More Like Aluminum Foil’ : Shaun O’Hara Critical Of Steelers Defense

 

[Faust]

Scouting Report: Titans Defense With A Fearsome Front

 

[VikingFrog]

Steelers Defense Has One Huge Mismatch Over Titans

‘No Steel Curtain Here. It’s More Like Aluminum Foil’ : Shaun O’Hara Critical Of Steelers Defense

That pick certainly helped. Scored right under projections in my league. Could certainly do worse on a Thursday night as I’ve picked a lot of very low scoring and negative defenses in my defensive roulette this year.

3 sacks
1 turnover

Played much better in the second half than the first.

 

[BobbyLayne]

got Cleveland at home versus Clayton Tune & the Cards

I like my chances

rotating Browns & the Ravens ROS but might add a 3rd - both Jags and Lions on the WW, like some of their second half matchups

JAX kind of an avoid Wks 10-12 (SF-TEN-HOU) then a nice closing schedule:

13	Cin (16th)	8.41	0.00
14	@ Cle (3rd)	8.41	0.00
15	Bal (22nd)	8.56	0.00
16	@ TB[ (19th)	8.75	0.00
17	Car (8th)	8.86	0.00

DET has a good lineup for the most part until the Finals:

10	@ LAC (30th)	7.66	0.00
11	Chi (5th)	8.74	0.00
12	GB (15th)	9.66	0.00
13	@ NO (21st)	8.48	0.00
14	@ Chi (5th)	8.48	0.00
15	Den (10th)	9.52	0.00
16	@ Min (17th)	9.30	0.00
17	@ Dal (24th)	8.19	0.00

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

got Cleveland at home versus Clayton Tune & the Cards

I like my chances

rotating Browns & the Ravens ROS but might add a 3rd - both Jags and Lions on the WW, like some of their second half matchups

JAX kind of an avoid Wks 10-12 (SF-TEN-HOU) then a nice closing schedule:

13	Cin (16th)	8.41	0.00
14	@ Cle (3rd)	8.41	0.00
15	Bal (22nd)	8.56	0.00
16	@ TB[ (19th)	8.75	0.00
17	Car (8th)	8.86	0.00

DET has a good lineup for the most part until the Finals:

10	@ LAC (30th)	7.66	0.00
11	Chi (5th)	8.74	0.00
12	GB (15th)	9.66	0.00
13	@ NO (21st)	8.48	0.00
14	@ Chi (5th)	8.48	0.00
15	Den (10th)	9.52	0.00
16	@ Min (17th)	9.30	0.00
17	@ Dal (24th)	8.19	0.00

I like it. Ive settled on both of them myself and would like to add a third as well. Nothing jumps out at me at the moment.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

While the rest of my "best ball" team is a bloody mess, I have maneuvered my way to the top 2 defenses this week per Fantasy Pros. All while spending the minimum capital on draft night. After all that I'm sure they will each score 4 or 5 points this week, lol.

 

[themeistersinger]

I'm starting the Browns this week and picked up the Cowboys for their next 3 weeks:
10 - home vs GIants
11 - at Panthers
12 - home vs Commanders

after that I will reevaluate

 

[VikingFrog]

I'm starting the Browns this week and picked up the Cowboys for their next 3 weeks:
10 - home vs GIants
11 - at Panthers
12 - home vs Commanders

after that I will reevaluate

The Browns are such a smash play this week, and I’ve had so much bad luck with defensive choices, that I’m just waiting to see Tune carve them up on Sunday.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm starting the Browns this week and picked up the Cowboys for their next 3 weeks:
10 - home vs GIants
11 - at Panthers
12 - home vs Commanders

after that I will reevaluate

The Browns are such a smash play this week, and I’ve had so much bad luck with defensive choices, that I’m just waiting to see Tune carve them up on Sunday.

Getting the reverse jinx in, solid work here.

I'm not sure the Cardinals will top 100 total yards Sunday.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

Anyone like the Vikes this week at Atlanta? I have the Chiefs and they've been solid but Miami figures to score plenty on them.

 

[JohnnyU]

I like the Giants this week.

 

[Krilons Resa]

Cowboys @ PHI
or
Chargers @ NYJ

Great defense v. great offense or Bad defense v. bad offense?

 

[robb]

Cowboys @ PHI
or
Chargers @ NYJ

Great defense v. great offense or Bad defense v. bad offense?

LAC for me....not a horrible defense.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Browns v the Cardinals practice squad today:

• shutout
• 58 total yards
• 6 3-n-Outs forced
• 1 4th down stop
• 12 TFL
• 7 sacks
• 2 int
• 1 FR

 

[IHEARTFF]

Start the Falcons d against the backup rookie they said

 

[GPS]

Browns v the Cardinals practice squad today:

• shutout
• 58 total yards
• 6 3-n-Outs forced
• 1 4th down stop
• 12 TFL
• 7 sacks
• 2 int
• 1 FR

They could have had more fumble recoveries.

 

[Runkle]

Well now I'm second guessing Giants vs Raiders. New head coach might simplify the playbook, bench Jimmy G, force feed Adams or Jacobs, or just generally not be completely incompetent. Team could play up for him. Who knows?

I really can't figure out why I didn't pivot to the Colts. It just made so much more sense. Should never have gone with the "projections".

 

[Judge Smails]

Well now I'm second guessing Giants vs Raiders. New head coach might simplify the playbook, bench Jimmy G, force feed Adams or Jacobs, or just generally not be completely incompetent. Team could play up for him. Who knows?

I really can't figure out why I didn't pivot to the Colts. It just made so much more sense. Should never have gone with the "projections".

Colts were a tough one to stick with after the last few weeks. Glad I stuck to my guns and went against a bad offense.

 

[Faust]

Next Gen Stats
The Browns defense allowed 59 net yards on 48 plays in Week 9, recording the highest defensive success rate (87.5%) in a game in the NGS era.

The Browns have recorded a 69.4% defensive success rate this season, the only defense over 64% since 2016.

#AZvsCLE | #DawgPound

https://x.com/nextgenstats/status/1721301765797421214?s=61

 

[Faust]

A frightening reality about the Chiefs? The defense is finally ready to carry Patrick Mahomes

Travis Kelce on Chiefs defense: 'This is the best defense I've ever played with'

 

[Faust]

How the Browns built one of the NFL's best defenses

 

[Runkle]

		Passing	Rushing	Receiving	Return	Misc	Fum
Rank	Team	Yds	TD	Int	40 Yd Cmp	40 Yd TD	Att	Yds	TD	40 Yd Att	40 Yd TD	Rec	Yds	TD	40 Yd Rec	40 Yd TD	Tgt	Yds	TD	2PT	Lost	Pts Against

23	New York Giants vs QBs	225.4	1.0	0.4	0.8	0.2	2.2	12.6	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	-0.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.2	15.14
24	Las Vegas Raiders vs QBs	207.7	1.2	0.9	0.6	0.1	4.1	13.8	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	14.91
25	New Orleans Saints vs QBs	202.7	1.3	1.3	0.3	0.1	4.8	27.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.2	0.3	14.47
26	New York Jets vs QBs	189.3	1.0	1.0	0.3	0.1	6.3	34.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.3	14.47
27	San Francisco 49ers vs QBs	244.4	1.3	1.4	0.4	0.1	4.1	14.9	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	14.14
28	Green Bay Packers vs QBs	212.0	1.0	0.6	0.1	0.0	4.6	21.5	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	1.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.4	13.74
29	Kansas City Chiefs vs QBs	195.3	1.3	0.6	0.2	0.0	4.7	18.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.3	13.64
30	Buffalo Bills vs QBs	238.8	1.1	0.9	0.0	0.0	3.4	13.4	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.2	13.34
31	Cleveland Browns vs QBs	167.0	1.0	0.9	0.6	0.4	3.8	11.0	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.6	13.16
32	Baltimore Ravens vs QBs	203.9	0.7	1.0	0.3	0.1	2.9	10.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.2	10.93

These say "vs QBs" but you meant "vs DEFs", right? Or am I misunderstanding again?

 

[kyoun1e]

Terrible week for streaming Ds.

Holding CLE long term, but not loving the Baltimore matchup.

Looking to grab either Indy or NO.

After watching my pats do nothing against Wash, thinking Indy could be in play. Outside of Rhamandre taking one to the house, NE offense was pathetic.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Rank	Team	Yds	TD	Int	40 Yd Cmp	40 Yd TD	Att	Yds	TD	40 Yd Att	40 Yd TD	Rec	Yds	TD	40 Yd Rec	40 Yd TD	Tgt	Yds	TD	2PT	Lost	Pts Against
		Passing	Rushing	Receiving	Return	Misc	Fum

23	New York Giants vs QBs	225.4	1.0	0.4	0.8	0.2	2.2	12.6	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	-0.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.2	15.14
24	Las Vegas Raiders vs QBs	207.7	1.2	0.9	0.6	0.1	4.1	13.8	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	14.91
25	New Orleans Saints vs QBs	202.7	1.3	1.3	0.3	0.1	4.8	27.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.2	0.3	14.47
26	New York Jets vs QBs	189.3	1.0	1.0	0.3	0.1	6.3	34.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.3	14.47
27	San Francisco 49ers vs QBs	244.4	1.3	1.4	0.4	0.1	4.1	14.9	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	14.14
28	Green Bay Packers vs QBs	212.0	1.0	0.6	0.1	0.0	4.6	21.5	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	1.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.4	13.74
29	Kansas City Chiefs vs QBs	195.3	1.3	0.6	0.2	0.0	4.7	18.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.3	13.64
30	Buffalo Bills vs QBs	238.8	1.1	0.9	0.0	0.0	3.4	13.4	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.2	13.34
31	Cleveland Browns vs QBs	167.0	1.0	0.9	0.6	0.4	3.8	11.0	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.6	13.16
32	Baltimore Ravens vs QBs	203.9	0.7	1.0	0.3	0.1	2.9	10.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.2	10.93

These say "vs QBs" but you meant "vs DEFs", right? Or am I misunderstanding again?

well FMTT

it's been a long day lol

I made a mistake, deleted the posts

will look at the correct tab next time

 

[JohnnyU]

I like the Giants this week.

I was just kidding

 

[BobbyLayne]

try this again.

			Tackles	Turnovers	TD	Miscellaneous	Ret
Rank	Team	Pts vs.	Sack	Safe	TFL	Int	Fum Rec	TD	Blk Kick	4 Dwn Stops	Yds Allow	3 And Outs	TD	Pts Against
1	New York Giants vs DEFs	10.6	5.4	0.0	8.3	0.9	0.4	0.3	0.1	1.1	268.9	3.8	0.0	21.42
2	New York Jets vs DEFs	15.3	4.0	0.1	5.6	0.6	1.0	0.0	0.0	0.5	272.9	3.3	0.1	15.41
3	New England Patriots vs DEFs	14.8	2.0	0.1	3.9	1.0	0.6	0.4	0.0	1.1	289.4	2.9	0.0	15.19
4	Carolina Panthers vs DEFs	16.0	3.6	0.0	5.1	0.9	0.5	0.4	0.0	1.3	283.4	2.6	0.0	15.09
5	Washington Commanders vs DEFs	21.2	4.9	0.0	5.6	1.0	0.6	0.2	0.1	0.7	332.1	2.8	0.0	14.44
6	Chicago Bears vs DEFs	20.2	3.3	0.0	3.8	1.3	0.7	0.4	0.1	1.0	325.9	1.9	0.0	14.44
7	Cleveland Browns vs DEFs	21.9	3.0	0.0	7.6	1.4	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.6	328.3	2.9	0.0	14.09
8	Arizona Cardinals vs DEFs	16.1	2.7	0.0	6.6	0.8	0.6	0.1	0.0	1.4	289.7	2.4	0.0	13.75
9	Las Vegas Raiders vs DEFs	16.4	2.4	0.0	4.4	1.4	0.3	0.1	0.1	0.6	275.6	2.1	0.0	12.39
10	Denver Broncos vs DEFs	20.8	3.3	0.1	5.3	0.5	1.0	0.1	0.1	0.5	302.1	2.4	0.0	12.00
11	Atlanta Falcons vs DEFs	18.2	3.0	0.0	5.6	0.8	0.9	0.1	0.0	0.7	344.3	2.6	0.0	12.00
12	Tennessee Titans vs DEFs	18.5	3.6	0.0	5.1	0.9	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.4	302.0	2.5	0.0	11.03
13	Pittsburgh Steelers vs DEFs	14.9	2.4	0.0	5.3	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.6	278.5	3.5	0.0	10.94
14	Jacksonville Jaguars vs DEFs	22.6	2.4	0.0	4.8	0.5	1.1	0.1	0.1	0.9	341.4	2.1	0.1	10.75
15	Minnesota Vikings vs DEFs	21.6	2.4	0.1	5.4	0.6	1.2	0.1	0.2	0.4	354.8	1.8	0.0	10.58
16	Green Bay Packers vs DEFs	19.3	2.3	0.0	4.0	1.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.9	300.0	2.5	0.1	10.50
17	Los Angeles Rams vs DEFs	19.8	2.3	0.1	4.9	0.9	0.2	0.1	0.2	0.6	335.9	2.2	0.0	10.33
18	Seattle Seahawks vs DEFs	19.9	2.3	0.0	4.8	0.9	0.4	0.0	0.0	0.6	311.8	2.4	0.0	10.25
19	Indianapolis Colts vs DEFs	23.8	2.4	0.1	3.6	0.7	0.9	0.1	0.1	1.1	344.1	2.9	0.0	10.22
20	Cincinnati Bengals vs DEFs	18.6	2.3	0.0	4.6	0.5	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.8	291.9	2.9	0.0	9.59
21	Detroit Lions vs DEFs	24.3	2.0	0.0	4.5	0.6	0.6	0.3	0.0	1.1	390.6	1.9	0.0	9.31
22	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs DEFs	19.0	1.6	0.1	3.9	0.5	0.4	0.0	0.3	0.3	302.5	2.5	0.0	8.84
23	Dallas Cowboys vs DEFs	23.5	2.9	0.0	5.3	0.6	0.4	0.0	0.0	0.9	346.5	2.1	0.0	8.50
24	New Orleans Saints vs DEFs	21.0	2.3	0.0	4.0	0.6	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.7	343.8	2.0	0.0	8.44
25	Miami Dolphins vs DEFs	31.0	1.7	0.0	4.7	0.9	0.6	0.3	0.1	0.9	435.3	2.0	0.1	8.39
26	Kansas City Chiefs vs DEFs	22.4	1.3	0.1	4.0	1.1	0.8	0.1	0.0	0.4	368.7	1.1	0.0	8.22
27	Baltimore Ravens vs DEFs	26.3	2.3	0.1	5.0	0.3	1.0	0.0	0.2	0.4	369.0	2.6	0.1	8.08
28	Philadelphia Eagles vs DEFs	27.1	2.4	0.0	4.1	0.9	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.4	376.8	1.7	0.0	7.42
29	Los Angeles Chargers vs DEFs	25.1	2.5	0.0	4.4	0.5	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.6	341.0	2.8	0.0	7.34
30	Houston Texans vs DEFs	23.4	2.3	0.0	6.0	0.1	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.5	351.1	2.3	0.0	7.00
31	Buffalo Bills vs DEFs	26.0	1.4	0.0	4.0	1.0	0.6	0.0	0.0	0.4	370.2	1.2	0.1	6.50
32	San Francisco 49ers vs DEFs	27.3	1.8	0.0	3.8	0.6	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.1	376.6	1.8	0.0	4.69

 

[BobbyLayne]

Scoring format for the FFPA to DST above
Defense/Special Teams	League Value
Sack	1
Interception	2
Fumble Recovery	2
Touchdown	6
Safety	2
Block Kick	2
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns	6
Points Allowed 0 points	10
Points Allowed 1-6 points	7
Points Allowed 7-13 points	4
Points Allowed 14-20 points	1
Points Allowed 21-27 points	0
Points Allowed 28-34 points	-1
Points Allowed 35+ points	-4
4th Down Stops	1
Tackles for Loss	0.25
Defensive Yards Allowed - Negative	10
Defensive Yards Allowed 0-99	7
Defensive Yards Allowed 100-199	4
Defensive Yards Allowed 200-299	1
Defensive Yards Allowed 300-399	0
Defensive Yards Allowed 400-499	-1
Defensive Yards Allowed 500+	-4
Three and Outs Forced	0.5
Extra Point Returned	2

 

[BobbyLayne]

For clarity:

The Fantasy Points Allowed to DT/DST is NOT a ranking of defense.

It represents the "most generous" offenses. The teams that can't score, turn the ball over, give up sacks, and make us hate to watch football. I'm looking at you Zach Wilson.

 

[Krilons Resa]

Terrible week for streaming Ds.

Holding CLE long term, but not loving the Baltimore matchup.

Looking to grab either Indy or NO.

After watching my pats do nothing against Wash, thinking Indy could be in play. Outside of Rhamandre taking one to the house, NE offense was pathetic.

I'm in the same boat with Cleveland. It could be a rough and dirty AFC Central matchup but Baltimore is really clicking on all cylinders right now; total buzzsaw. I'm not confident in Deshaun not turning the ball over against their defense either.

I have Pittsburgh on my wire and hoping to land them for this week. Def not dropping Cleveland though as it should be butter after this week for the rest of the season.

 

[Faust]

Bears defense rose to occasion in crunch time

Bears DE Montez Sweat showing why Chicago wanted him

 

[Faust]

How the 49ers Ruined their Run Defense

Fred Warner, Dre Greenlaw Discuss How Chase Young Will Change 49ers’ Defense

New 49ers DE Chase Young: Going to be fun to race Nick Bosa to the QB like at Ohio State

 

[robb]

try this again.

			Tackles	Turnovers	TD	Miscellaneous	Ret
Rank	Team	Pts vs.	Sack	Safe	TFL	Int	Fum Rec	TD	Blk Kick	4 Dwn Stops	Yds Allow	3 And Outs	TD	Pts Against
1	New York Giants vs DEFs	10.6	5.4	0.0	8.3	0.9	0.4	0.3	0.1	1.1	268.9	3.8	0.0	21.42
2	New York Jets vs DEFs	15.3	4.0	0.1	5.6	0.6	1.0	0.0	0.0	0.5	272.9	3.3	0.1	15.41
3	New England Patriots vs DEFs	14.8	2.0	0.1	3.9	1.0	0.6	0.4	0.0	1.1	289.4	2.9	0.0	15.19
4	Carolina Panthers vs DEFs	16.0	3.6	0.0	5.1	0.9	0.5	0.4	0.0	1.3	283.4	2.6	0.0	15.09
5	Washington Commanders vs DEFs	21.2	4.9	0.0	5.6	1.0	0.6	0.2	0.1	0.7	332.1	2.8	0.0	14.44
6	Chicago Bears vs DEFs	20.2	3.3	0.0	3.8	1.3	0.7	0.4	0.1	1.0	325.9	1.9	0.0	14.44
7	Cleveland Browns vs DEFs	21.9	3.0	0.0	7.6	1.4	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.6	328.3	2.9	0.0	14.09
8	Arizona Cardinals vs DEFs	16.1	2.7	0.0	6.6	0.8	0.6	0.1	0.0	1.4	289.7	2.4	0.0	13.75
9	Las Vegas Raiders vs DEFs	16.4	2.4	0.0	4.4	1.4	0.3	0.1	0.1	0.6	275.6	2.1	0.0	12.39
10	Denver Broncos vs DEFs	20.8	3.3	0.1	5.3	0.5	1.0	0.1	0.1	0.5	302.1	2.4	0.0	12.00
11	Atlanta Falcons vs DEFs	18.2	3.0	0.0	5.6	0.8	0.9	0.1	0.0	0.7	344.3	2.6	0.0	12.00
12	Tennessee Titans vs DEFs	18.5	3.6	0.0	5.1	0.9	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.4	302.0	2.5	0.0	11.03
13	Pittsburgh Steelers vs DEFs	14.9	2.4	0.0	5.3	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.6	278.5	3.5	0.0	10.94
14	Jacksonville Jaguars vs DEFs	22.6	2.4	0.0	4.8	0.5	1.1	0.1	0.1	0.9	341.4	2.1	0.1	10.75
15	Minnesota Vikings vs DEFs	21.6	2.4	0.1	5.4	0.6	1.2	0.1	0.2	0.4	354.8	1.8	0.0	10.58
16	Green Bay Packers vs DEFs	19.3	2.3	0.0	4.0	1.0	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.9	300.0	2.5	0.1	10.50
17	Los Angeles Rams vs DEFs	19.8	2.3	0.1	4.9	0.9	0.2	0.1	0.2	0.6	335.9	2.2	0.0	10.33
18	Seattle Seahawks vs DEFs	19.9	2.3	0.0	4.8	0.9	0.4	0.0	0.0	0.6	311.8	2.4	0.0	10.25
19	Indianapolis Colts vs DEFs	23.8	2.4	0.1	3.6	0.7	0.9	0.1	0.1	1.1	344.1	2.9	0.0	10.22
20	Cincinnati Bengals vs DEFs	18.6	2.3	0.0	4.6	0.5	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.8	291.9	2.9	0.0	9.59
21	Detroit Lions vs DEFs	24.3	2.0	0.0	4.5	0.6	0.6	0.3	0.0	1.1	390.6	1.9	0.0	9.31
22	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs DEFs	19.0	1.6	0.1	3.9	0.5	0.4	0.0	0.3	0.3	302.5	2.5	0.0	8.84
23	Dallas Cowboys vs DEFs	23.5	2.9	0.0	5.3	0.6	0.4	0.0	0.0	0.9	346.5	2.1	0.0	8.50
24	New Orleans Saints vs DEFs	21.0	2.3	0.0	4.0	0.6	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.7	343.8	2.0	0.0	8.44
25	Miami Dolphins vs DEFs	31.0	1.7	0.0	4.7	0.9	0.6	0.3	0.1	0.9	435.3	2.0	0.1	8.39
26	Kansas City Chiefs vs DEFs	22.4	1.3	0.1	4.0	1.1	0.8	0.1	0.0	0.4	368.7	1.1	0.0	8.22
27	Baltimore Ravens vs DEFs	26.3	2.3	0.1	5.0	0.3	1.0	0.0	0.2	0.4	369.0	2.6	0.1	8.08
28	Philadelphia Eagles vs DEFs	27.1	2.4	0.0	4.1	0.9	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.4	376.8	1.7	0.0	7.42
29	Los Angeles Chargers vs DEFs	25.1	2.5	0.0	4.4	0.5	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.6	341.0	2.8	0.0	7.34
30	Houston Texans vs DEFs	23.4	2.3	0.0	6.0	0.1	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.5	351.1	2.3	0.0	7.00
31	Buffalo Bills vs DEFs	26.0	1.4	0.0	4.0	1.0	0.6	0.0	0.0	0.4	370.2	1.2	0.1	6.50
32	San Francisco 49ers vs DEFs	27.3	1.8	0.0	3.8	0.6	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.1	376.6	1.8	0.0	4.69

Again........thank you BL, you are so kind to post!

 

[BobbyLayne]

from Reddit

"Defensive Maneuvers" -- 2023 Week 10 -- Tuesday Subvertadown picks​

Week 10 rankings

Tuesday Rank	D/ST (Yards-allowed penalized "ESPN")
1	Cowboys vs. Giants
2	Ravens vs. Browns
3	Bears vs. Panthers
4	Steelers vs. Packers
5	Seahawks vs. Commanders
6	Raiders vs. Jets
7	Bengals vs. Texans
8	Packers @ Steelers
9	Buccaneers vs. Titans
10	Bills vs. Broncos

I'm rolling with the Ravens, they are really destroying visiting teams this year.

 

[kyoun1e]

from Reddit

"Defensive Maneuvers" -- 2023 Week 10 -- Tuesday Subvertadown picks​

Week 10 rankings

Tuesday Rank	D/ST (Yards-allowed penalized "ESPN")
1	Cowboys vs. Giants
2	Ravens vs. Browns
3	Bears vs. Panthers
4	Steelers vs. Packers
5	Seahawks vs. Commanders
6	Raiders vs. Jets
7	Bengals vs. Texans
8	Packers @ Steelers
9	Buccaneers vs. Titans
10	Bills vs. Broncos

I'm rolling with the Ravens, they are really destroying visiting teams this year.

Surprised Colts not listed.

Was live at Gillette last Sunday. NE offense is just downright terrible. Could not sustain drives against WASH D minus their top two pass rushers. Outside of Rhamandre getting lose, I wonder if they have 50 net yards of offense.

Not a great D, but they are disruptive in terms of sacks/ints and are at home.

Not a great week to stream. May stick with my CLE D, but hate this BALT matchup.

 

[Faust]

Colts struggling scoring defense searches for quick fix during historically poor stretch

Colts defense has struggled this season but the unit is doing one thing really well

 

[kyoun1e]

Grappling with CLE D today. Hate the matchup with L. Jackson (and I'm starting him).

Only other option is SEA vs WASH. Wash D can score with Howell and those weapons and they've gotten better in the sack department.

 

[GPS]

Looking at D's to pair with Browns ROS:

Wks: 11/ 12 / 13 / 14 /15 / 16 /17
Cle: Pit/Den/Lar/Jax/Chi/Hou/Nyj
Mia: LV/Nyj/Wsh/Ten/Nyj/Dal/Bal
KC: Phi/LV /GB /Buf/NE /LV /Cin

MIA and KC are both available and I can likely get one of them. I like MIA's schedule better overall, but KC has better matchups weeks 13 and 16 when the Browns have tougher matchups (on paper...if it matters for the Browns).

Thoughts?

 

[robb]

Looking at D's to pair with Browns ROS:

Wks: 11/ 12 / 13 / 14 /15 / 16 /17
Cle: Pit/Den/Lar/Jax/Chi/Hou/Nyj
Mia: LV/Nyj/Wsh/Ten/Nyj/Dal/Bal
KC: Phi/LV /GB /Buf/NE /LV /Cin

MIA and KC are both available and I can likely get one of them. I like MIA's schedule better overall, but KC has better matchups weeks 13 and 16 when the Browns have tougher matchups (on paper...if it matters for the Browns).

Thoughts?

Are the LAR and Houston really that good of offenses that one wouldn't start Cleveland against them??

 

[WaltonGoggins]

Have NYJ going to drop for DET or MIA better upcoming matchups.

 

[GPS]

Looking at D's to pair with Browns ROS:

Wks: 11/ 12 / 13 / 14 /15 / 16 /17
Cle: Pit/Den/Lar/Jax/Chi/Hou/Nyj
Mia: LV/Nyj/Wsh/Ten/Nyj/Dal/Bal
KC: Phi/LV /GB /Buf/NE /LV /Cin

MIA and KC are both available and I can likely get one of them. I like MIA's schedule better overall, but KC has better matchups weeks 13 and 16 when the Browns have tougher matchups (on paper...if it matters for the Browns).

Thoughts?

Are the LAR and Houston really that good of offenses that one wouldn't start Cleveland against them??

Probably not. I alluded to that possibility in my post; maybe Cleveland is the play all the way. I was just looking at +matchups.

According to BobbyLayne's chart, LAR are #17 vs defense while Hou is astoundingly ranked #30.

 

[Faust]

Montez Sweat has invigorated the Chicago Bears' defense

 

[gucci little piggy]

Have NYJ going to drop for DET or MIA better upcoming matchups.

Same, but considering sticking with the Jets for this week @ BUF. Allen turns it over a lot, and the Jets did good against them earlier this year and last year. Plus, if Fields is back then the Lions look less desirable. I'm sure there are flaws in my reasoning, but just putting it out into the ether.

 

[themeistersinger]

So I currently have Cleveland and Dallas, and San Francisco is on the WW. All 3 have already had their BYE. Browns average 10.7 PPG, Cowboys 11.7 PPG, and 49ers 8.3 PPG.

Schedules:
Browns - Steelers, @broncos, @Rams, Jaguars, Bears, @texans, Jets
Cowboys - @Panthers, Commanders, Seahawks, Eagles, @BillS. #Dolphins, Lions
49ers - Buccs, @Seahawks, @Eagles, Seahawks, @Cardinals, Ravens, @ Commanders

Debating picking up SF but not sure if they'd be better than what I already have

 

[BobbyLayne]

FF Points Allowed to DSTs (after Week 10)

			Tackles	Turnovers	TD	Miscellaneous	Ret
Rank	Team	Pts vs.	Sack	Safe	TFL	Int	Fum Rec	TD	Blk Kick	4 Dwn Stops	Yds Allow	3 And Outs	TD	Pts Against
1	New York Giants vs DEFs	11.2	5.4	0.0	8.2	0.9	0.4	0.3	0.1	1.1	259.2	3.9	0.0	21.00
2	New England Patriots vs DEFs	13.9	2.3	0.1	4.1	1.1	0.5	0.4	0.0	1.0	294.5	2.8	0.0	15.53
3	New York Jets vs DEFs	14.9	3.8	0.1	5.1	0.7	0.9	0.0	0.0	0.4	283.1	3.2	0.1	14.78
4	Carolina Panthers vs DEFs	15.7	3.6	0.0	5.2	0.8	0.4	0.3	0.0	1.1	275.6	2.7	0.0	14.64
5	Cleveland Browns vs DEFs	22.4	3.1	0.0	7.2	1.3	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.7	333.2	2.7	0.0	14.36
6	Chicago Bears vs DEFs	19.8	3.0	0.0	3.7	1.2	0.6	0.4	0.1	0.9	322.8	1.8	0.1	13.93
7	Washington Commanders vs DEFs	21.7	4.7	0.0	5.3	0.9	0.6	0.2	0.1	0.6	334.5	2.8	0.0	13.73
8	Arizona Cardinals vs DEFs	17.0	2.6	0.0	6.1	0.8	0.5	0.1	0.0	1.3	295.9	2.4	0.0	12.93
9	Las Vegas Raiders vs DEFs	16.4	2.5	0.0	4.5	1.4	0.4	0.1	0.1	0.5	275.4	2.3	0.0	12.38
10	Jacksonville Jaguars vs DEFs	20.4	2.7	0.0	4.7	0.7	1.2	0.1	0.1	0.9	328.0	2.3	0.1	12.33

 

[BobbyLayne]

			Tackles	Turnovers	TD	Miscellaneous	Ret
Rank	Team	Pts vs.	Sack	Safe	TFL	Int	Fum Rec	TD	Blk Kick	4 Dwn Stops	Yds Allow	3 And Outs	TD	Pts Against
11	Tennessee Titans vs DEFs	17.1	3.7	0.0	5.7	0.9	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.6	291.7	2.4	0.0	11.97
12	Atlanta Falcons vs DEFs	18.7	3.0	0.0	5.4	0.7	0.8	0.1	0.0	0.7	335.3	2.7	0.0	11.60
13	Denver Broncos vs DEFs	21.1	3.3	0.1	5.0	0.4	1.0	0.1	0.1	0.4	301.9	2.3	0.0	11.53
14	Green Bay Packers vs DEFs	19.2	2.1	0.0	4.1	1.1	0.2	0.0	0.1	0.8	311.0	2.6	0.1	10.53
15	Los Angeles Rams vs DEFs	19.8	2.3	0.1	4.9	0.9	0.2	0.1	0.2	0.6	335.9	2.2	0.0	10.33
16	Indianapolis Colts vs DEFs	22.4	2.2	0.1	3.5	0.7	0.8	0.1	0.1	1.0	336.1	2.8	0.0	10.07
17	Minnesota Vikings vs DEFs	22.1	2.3	0.1	5.5	0.5	1.1	0.1	0.2	0.4	358.1	2.1	0.0	10.03
18	Pittsburgh Steelers vs DEFs	15.8	2.2	0.0	4.9	0.7	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.6	283.6	3.3	0.0	10.00
19	Cincinnati Bengals vs DEFs	19.6	2.4	0.0	4.8	0.7	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.7	301.7	3.0	0.0	9.81
20	Seattle Seahawks vs DEFs	20.9	2.1	0.0	4.7	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.6	331.4	2.4	0.0	9.28
21	Baltimore Ravens vs DEFs	26.2	2.4	0.1	4.9	0.5	0.9	0.1	0.3	0.4	362.7	2.4	0.1	8.93
22	Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs DEFs	19.1	1.8	0.1	4.0	0.6	0.3	0.0	0.2	0.2	306.7	2.7	0.0	8.89

 

[BobbyLayne]

			Tackles	Turnovers	TD	Miscellaneous	Ret
Rank	Team	Pts vs.	Sack	Safe	TFL	Int	Fum Rec	TD	Blk Kick	4 Dwn Stops	Yds Allow	3 And Outs	TD	Pts Against
23	New Orleans Saints vs DEFs	20.8	2.4	0.0	4.1	0.7	0.5	0.1	0.0	0.6	337.4	2.3	0.0	8.88
24	Miami Dolphins vs DEFs	31.0	1.7	0.0	4.7	0.9	0.6	0.3	0.1	0.9	435.3	2.0	0.1	8.39
25	Kansas City Chiefs vs DEFs	22.4	1.3	0.1	4.0	1.1	0.8	0.1	0.0	0.4	368.7	1.1	0.0	8.22
26	Detroit Lions vs DEFs	26.1	1.8	0.0	4.6	0.6	0.6	0.2	0.0	1.1	406.4	1.7	0.0	7.64
27	Philadelphia Eagles vs DEFs	27.1	2.4	0.0	4.1	0.9	0.6	0.1	0.0	0.4	376.8	1.7	0.0	7.42
28	Dallas Cowboys vs DEFs	26.3	2.6	0.0	5.0	0.8	0.3	0.0	0.0	0.9	379.1	2.1	0.0	7.42
29	Buffalo Bills vs DEFs	25.6	1.3	0.0	3.7	1.1	0.7	0.0	0.0	0.5	370.1	1.2	0.1	6.83
30	Houston Texans vs DEFs	24.1	2.1	0.0	5.4	0.2	0.7	0.0	0.0	0.6	372.6	2.2	0.0	6.69
31	Los Angeles Chargers vs DEFs	26.6	2.2	0.0	4.0	0.6	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.6	349.9	2.7	0.0	6.33
32	San Francisco 49ers vs DEFs	28.0	1.8	0.0	3.7	0.6	0.4	0.0	0.0	0.2	383.3	1.9	0.0	4.53

 

[BobbyLayne]

Scoring format for the FFPA to DST above
Defense/Special Teams	League Value
Sack	1
Interception	2
Fumble Recovery	2
Touchdown	6
Safety	2
Block Kick	2
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns	6
Points Allowed 0 points	10
Points Allowed 1-6 points	7
Points Allowed 7-13 points	4
Points Allowed 14-20 points	1
Points Allowed 21-27 points	0
Points Allowed 28-34 points	-1
Points Allowed 35+ points	-4
4th Down Stops	1
Tackles for Loss	0.25
Defensive Yards Allowed - Negative	10
Defensive Yards Allowed 0-99	7
Defensive Yards Allowed 100-199	4
Defensive Yards Allowed 200-299	1
Defensive Yards Allowed 300-399	0
Defensive Yards Allowed 400-499	-1
Defensive Yards Allowed 500+	-4
Three and Outs Forced	0.5
Extra Point Returned	2

For clarity:

The Fantasy Points Allowed to DT/DST is NOT a ranking of defense.

It represents the "most generous" offenses. The teams that can't score, turn the ball over, give up sacks, and make us hate to watch football. I'm looking at you Zach Wilson.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Dolphins have nice matchups on that list until weeks 16/17. I currently have the Saints who have largely been solid, but the schedule going out has a bye this week and DET week 13. Would you do the swap?

Could also considering dropping Doubs as my last bench WR. Saints/Dolphins would give these matchups the rest of the year:
LV
NYJ
WAS
CAR
NYG or NYJ
LAR
TB