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2026 Cleveland Browns - #1 Pick Contention? (5 Viewers)

I am surprised to come into the Brown’s thread and see anyone defending Berry.
I'm surprised anyone hasn't figured out that HASLAM was the one who pushed for the Deshaun Watson trade, ALL of those draft picks and that guaranteed contract. That is why Berry and Stefanski get a chit.
Last draft, when Berry had a first-round pick, he made the most of it. He's been operating on a shoe-string draft budget for the past three years which is due to HASLAM.
AB has done wonders with trades.
Stefanski can't win without an O-Line or a franchise QB.
Oh, and one more thing.
Let's get this clear because it has been posted numerous times in detail.
Baker ran himself out of Cleveland. He needed time to mature.
It didn't come with his first team.
It didn't come with his second team.
It didn't come with the third team he was on.
It finally came after he SAT ANOTHER YEAR on his FOURTH team who had a solid O-Line and are teet-deep in WR talent and where they adjusted the offense for a short QB by allowing him to line up the majority of the time in the gun.
Last year's draft by AB is already producing and he's got another 1st to add to that draft next year.
Wow. Okay, didn’t realize his level of support from the fans.
While I agree with Bracie re AB, we're a minority. Most fans ran them out of town in their minds years ago...just like they did Baker.

As the ole' saying goes, if management acts like its fans, soon enough they'll be sitting with them.
 
Wow. Okay, didn’t realize his level of support from the fans.
Put yourself in Berry's shoes from a few years back when you were coming off a playoff run only a few years removed from 0-16.
You have the O-Line, the RB, the TE, good nuff WRs and had the top-pick on what 'should have been' your franchise QB. The defense wasn't great but good-nuff.
The QB shows up fat and out of shape going into TC and no surpise the fat out of shape QB gets hurt and plays terrible. He refuses to take care of the injury because he's on his last year of his rookie contract and he's been making noise about a big extension, so he plays through.
He didn't do the minimum work in the offseason, and it cost the entire team. The team has a losing record, primarily due to the immature QB.
THEN he demands the second highest contract in the league. The GM has not liked what Baker had done and had gotten word of his outrageous contract demands so he began working on a deal for a younger QB who had already established himself as a franchise QB.
Baker hears of it and demands a trade.
AB had been putting in the work on a deal and had one in place. Two 1st round picks and a large contract extension that WASN'T fully guaranteed. Should have been enough but Deshuan's team had many teams interested, ONE OF THEM THE STEELERS who dropped out pretty early.
There were three teams left standing.
Deshuan's team made AB's offer public to leverage to up the ante and Watson said he wouldn't play in Cleveland. Baker had already burnt bridges, but AB publicly kept the door open.
HASLAM panicked thinking Baker had already walked, and he didn't have a QB so he stepped-in with THREE 1st round picks plus extra picks AND the fully guaranteed contract.
HASLAM'S PANICKED MOVE KILLED THE TEAM.
Complete rebuild due to HASLAM.
Jimmy knows he made his bed, AB and Stefanski have been the public fall guys, neither can do their jobs correctly due to HASLAM's panicked move.
Had Jimmy let AB do his job, AB's offer would have been rejected. AB would have still had Baker under contract for one year and would have kept him. Baker still needed maturation, so I doubt he'd suddenly 'get-it' but AB would have had three 1st round picks and tons of cap to make moves.
It really could have worked out if Jimmy Haslam had not panicked and forced the Deshuan Watson trade.
 
We're 4 picks out with Conerly and Simmons on the board t
Hmmmnn.
I have been 'loosely' following Josh's rookie season.
He was doing ok.
I 'thought' he got injured but this...
I don't have a clue what is going on.
Chiefs Josh Simmons Situation Described as ‘Extremely Serious’
The mystery around the absence of Kansas City Chiefs rookie offensive lineman Josh Simmons only grew more mysterious on Thursday when the 2025 first-round draft pick out of Ohio State remained missing from practice for another day, according to the team.
Also on Thursday, a longtime Chiefs insider who covers the team for ESPN, while offering no details or specifics, described the Simmons situation as “extremely serious” and “a family matter.”
The insider, Nate Taylor, said that he was “fearful” about whatever was causing Simmons absence.
...no timetable for Simmons’ return to the team.
 
Flacco was named starter ... It'll be interesting to see ... If they take the reins off and let him rip-it with Chase and Higgins.
Took the second game before they figured it out.
For ANYONE who thinks we made a mistake, we don't have Chase AND Higgins. Flacco was not getting it done with the awful line and receivers we have and wasn't going to start.
We aren't going anywhere, doesn't matter what Joe does in Nati because Joe wasn't going to be here next year.
We didn't get much but we lost nothing of value to us this year and we will be drafting next year.
Bottom line, we got something for nothing.
 
I was in awe yesterday. Not in the fact that the Browns won but that a team could be that much worse than the Browns who are arguably a small step up from a Division I college team. I didn't think it possible but I actually feel bad for the Fish. Take note Browns fans, with all the talk about losing the team & the locker room, you saw what that looks like yesterday in your opponent.
 
After these last few seasons, I've gotten gun shy. Every time something good happens, I'm looking for a flag first thing. I give it half a minute, or so.
 
Stefanski came up with a solid game plan to deal with the O-Line injuries and get the run game untracked.
Next Gen Stats
Browns rookie RB Quinshon Judkins rushed 15 times for 69 yards and 3 TDs from jumbo sets (6+ OL) in a Week 7 win over the Dolphins.
The Browns used an extra lineman on 22 of 52 plays overall (40.9%), the highest rate by any team in a game this season.
I don't think this is sustainable, the Phin run-D is not good. We absolutely need enough pass-pro for Gabriel to threaten over-the-top and force the DBs back out of the box.
Cudos to S Grant Delpit, he's not just playing like a Pro Bowler, he's been performing like an ALL-PRO so-far this year.
How Browns safety Grant Delpit is playing at an All-Pro level and backing up his vow to do more
Josh Simmins is still AWOL.
Andy Reid says Chiefs ‘move on’ as mystery surrounding missing draft pick Josh Simmons lingers
I wanted Josh, but Just think of the Sh][t storm the Browns would be dealing with had we taken him?
 
The guy we took absolutely sucks IMHO. Wasn't even rated in the top 200 and should have been a street free agent. Guy isn't 6' tall and is 24 years old. Complete garbage pick. I'm livid about wasting a 3rd round pick. WTF?
I was harsh, at least I thought I was harsh.
Listen to Daryl Ruiter unload.
Go to 4:04 to hear him go off. Wow!
Browns lose to the Patriots 32-13 postgame reaction
I don't think Shedeur will tear it up due to lack of O-Line and WRs but... '
We have the BYE to get him reps and the Jets at home.
It's time.
 
Posted this in a text thread with the homies:

Joe Flacco - 21/34, 223 yards, 2 TD, 0 Int, passer rating 100.5
Tyler Huntley - 17/22, 186 yards, 1 TD, 0 Int, passer rating 116.9
Dillon Gabriel - 21/35, 156 yards, 2 TD, 2 Int, passer rating 65.9

One of my friends said this and a light bulb clicked on for me, I had never thought about this way but the Browns are truly a dynasty.

"The Browns are incredible. They continue to fail miserably in a league where the #1 goal is parity. They are a dynasty. A dynasty of failure where they finish dead last absolutely every year. It's historic."
 
so who are the Browns going to draft with the number one pick?

and who will be the new GM and HC?
I hate this team and I hate the fact I've wasted the majority of my life following them. Everything about them exudes F U to the fan.

Whoever we chose, we will ruin and whoever the new coach & GM are (and I'm not convinced there will be a change made) will take a big check from Jimma and swim upstream just like all the rest of them have. I'm not convinced they know how to win or put together a winning organization. It's been almost 3 decades, say that out loud if you need proof. In a league where the objective is parity, the Cleveland Browns have been losing for almost 30 years consistently & unabashedly.
 
so who are the Browns going to draft with the number one pick?

and who will be the new GM and HC?
I hate this team and I hate the fact I've wasted the majority of my life following them. Everything about them exudes F U to the fan.

Whoever we chose, we will ruin and whoever the new coach & GM are (and I'm not convinced there will be a change made) will take a big check from Jimma and swim upstream just like all the rest of them have. I'm not convinced they know how to win or put together a winning organization. It's been almost 3 decades, say that out loud if you need proof. In a league where the objective is parity, the Cleveland Browns have been losing for almost 30 years consistently & unabashedly.
preach on, i'm here for you.

i used to actively figure out how to re-arrange my schedule so i could watch the games, mid last season i started doing the opposite.

i didn't turn on the Jets game on Sunday until the F1 race was over, and spent the rest of the game watching intermittently while doing other house work.

i'm going to a play next Sunday, but unfortunately, the Browns game is at 4:25 and i might see some of it.
 
so who are the Browns going to draft with the number one pick?

and who will be the new GM and HC?
I hate this team and I hate the fact I've wasted the majority of my life following them. Everything about them exudes F U to the fan.

Whoever we chose, we will ruin and whoever the new coach & GM are (and I'm not convinced there will be a change made) will take a big check from Jimma and swim upstream just like all the rest of them have. I'm not convinced they know how to win or put together a winning organization. It's been almost 3 decades, say that out loud if you need proof. In a league where the objective is parity, the Cleveland Browns have been losing for almost 30 years consistently & unabashedly.
Amen. Getting sacked in shotgun on 4th and 1 late was my tipping point in this game. I yelled at my TV "I F'ing hate this team! They are so damn stupid!" I can't even hardly watch them anymore.

 
You guys remember the Bernie Kosar days? Those were good memories. Just think of those. Ha ha
I STARTED WATCHING THIS TEAM IN 1999 BECAUSE OF MY COLLEGE ROOMATE.

i didn't pay much attention to football growing up, and my dad was a Cowboys fan.

they had a good run for a few years at least.

also, i'm an alumnus of Ohio State, they're pretty good.
 
You guys remember the Bernie Kosar days? Those were good memories. Just think of those. Ha ha
I was in college and those were some heady days for sure but what did they all have in common? They lost. And that, I would argue, was the best the team has every looked aside from 1964.

I love those teams and what Bernie brought to the city. We the fans were rewarded with that mother ****er Art Modell moving the team to Baltimore and winning a SB the next year with the Browns players.
 
Amen. Getting sacked in shotgun on 4th and 1 late was my tipping point in this game. I yelled at my TV "I F'ing hate this team! They are so damn stupid!" I can't even hardly watch them anymore.
Stefanski gave up play-calling duties to TE coach Tommy Reese so for those calling out every/any Stefanski bad call for the reason of the losing... Nah.
It's personnel. Left OT, C, age and retirement anticipated at Left OG, age and injuries at Right OT, age at Right OG. Basically, the ENTIRE offensive line is kaput.
Piling on, no offensive playmakers.
Obvious, no franchise QB.
Add it up and it equates to one of the worst NFL offenses in history.
I'd start with rebuilding the O-line because if we put all our eggs in for a one-time moonshot franchise QB it's doomed to fail. We rebuild the O-Line? We've got the TEs and RBs to create a respectable NFL offense to go with the dominating D and can bide time till a QB becomes available, possibly a Danny Dimes or a Baker, we don't have to wait. It can turn around in one year.
 
Amen. Getting sacked in shotgun on 4th and 1 late was my tipping point in this game. I yelled at my TV "I F'ing hate this team! They are so damn stupid!" I can't even hardly watch them anymore.
Stefanski gave up play-calling duties to TE coach Tommy Reese so for those calling out every/any Stefanski bad call for the reason of the losing... Nah.
It's personnel. Left OT, C, age and retirement anticipated at Left OG, age and injuries at Right OT, age at Right OG. Basically, the ENTIRE offensive line is kaput.
Piling on, no offensive playmakers.
Obvious, no franchise QB.
Add it up and it equates to one of the worst NFL offenses in history.
I'd start with rebuilding the O-line because if we put all our eggs in for a one-time moonshot franchise QB it's doomed to fail. We rebuild the O-Line? We've got the TEs and RBs to create a respectable NFL offense to go with the dominating D and can bide time till a QB becomes available, possibly a Danny Dimes or a Baker, we don't have to wait. It can turn around in one year.
I loved how when the Jaguars were awarded to Jacksonville, they went out and built the team through the trenches and filled in with other teams' cast offs at the skill positions. That worked fantastically! I've always been an advocate for drafting O/D line first and foremost. If you can keep your QB upright and block, you can certainly get by with perceived "subpar" players! And then if you build a defense that can keep you in the game and give your offense a chance...ANYTHING can happen!

Browns have an amazing defense, need to rebuild your O-line! I'd be willing to bet Gabriel or SS would be pretty decent if they had time to process a play and throw. But every body always wants the shiny new skill players that get unrealistic expectations thrown on their shoulders. :shrug:
 
I'd start with rebuilding the O-line because if we put all our eggs in for a one-time moonshot franchise QB it's doomed to fail. We rebuild the O-Line? We've got the TEs and RBs to create a respectable NFL offense to go with the dominating D and can bide time till a QB

Browns have an amazing defense, need to rebuild your O-line! I'd be willing to bet Gabriel or SS would be pretty decent if they had time to process a play and throw.
I'm in agreement that it starts in the trenches and our O-Line is being held together by tie wire & duct tape right now. I disagree that Gabriel has a future in the NFL, he looks absolutely lost in the backfield, can't make a snap decision and frankly, can't complete a pass. I have no idea what they saw in the kid but they (whoever they are) should never be able to pick a QB again.

I also kinda disagree on the defense. They are dominating and SB worthy but they are aging out as well and when Myles hits the wall, it's going to be quick & ugly. Berry did a good job with Mason & Schwesinger. The D line is pretty stout but again, we have some aging pieces that we've relied upon the last few years that will need to be addressed. I think the D stays strong through next year but after that we need to be looking hard at replacements.

It's going to be difficult to rebuild the entire offense other than RB1 and TE1 (not Njoku, he's lost a step, I'm talking Fanning) and fill in the gaps on the D as they materialize. this year is lost and I'm pretty sure everyone other than the most diehard fans knew that coming into the season. Unfortunately, I think we are in for a lot of 6-11, 5-12 coming down the pike.
 
I loved how when the Jaguars were awarded to Jacksonville, they went out and built the team through the trenches and filled in with other teams' cast offs at the skill positions. That worked fantastically!
Jags and Lina were awarded enough time to fill their front offices with skilled GMs and head coaches, we weren't. Additionally, the NFL awarded them with extra FIRST-ROUND draft picks AND they didn't hamstring them by allowing the entire rest of the NFL to LOCK-UP their prized FAs BEFORE the NEW team arrived.
The NFL screwed US, the fanbase thrice over so it wasn't an even playing field. Both teams made the finals and angered the rest of the owners who penalized US the Browns fans. We saw OUR team win 2 Super Bowls since.
I disagree that Gabriel has a future in the NFL, he looks absolutely lost in the backfield
Bottom line, he's too short. End of story.
We can trade-down and pick up an extra future 1st, take the Left OT this year AND the best interior O-Lineman with the Jags pick or a playmaking WR if available.
2nd round, keep loading up on O-Linemen who may need an extra year.
Then target a QB ala Danny Dimes, Darnold, et. el. with skills that other teams didn't give enough time.
The D is solid and good for four years.
 
You guys remember the Bernie Kosar days? Those were good memories. Just think of those. Ha ha
Speaking of Bernie Kosar, he's awaiting a liver transplant. They have a liver for him but it's infected.

 
I'm tired of drafting QBs. Keep the two you have and get a FA QB next year. I don't care if it's even Murray. Get someone in FA, then build the OL in the draft. Take Proctor and Tate in the 1st round, then get the rest of the OL after that. It's annoying that we have to watch this ****show year in and year out. All this talk about 99 and the rebuild year...CLE got screwed as the NFL changed the rules for the Expansion Draft for CLE after JAX and CAR came aboard.
Most of this info comes from Terry Pluto's False Start: How the New Browns Were Set Up to Fail. Here's my original post with nicer formatting.

1: NFL dragged its feet on confirming Al Lerner as the owner of the Franchise in an attempt to drive up the price. they eventually confirmed Lerner in September of 1998. Less than a year before the Browns were legally bound to play their first game. This led to the Browns getting a super late start on hiring and building a coaching staff. p.s. the NFL forbade the Browns from hiring any coordinators who were under contract. So yeah. Which flows into points 2 & 3...

2: The Browns had nearly half the time to get ready from their Owner selection to their first game then any other modern expansion team. Just compare the number of days other modern expansion teams had to get ready... Texans (1,068), Panthers (677), Jags (642) versus the Browns (369). The NFL Owners were fine with this injustice though, because the Jags and Panthers came out and embarrassed the **** out of some of the old guard greats (i.e. they went to the playoffs in their second seasons of existence). So if the Browns floundered, no one would care. Just some added dark humor, the NFL spent 911 days from (almost 3x what the coaching staff had to prepare with) the Browns relocation before they gave ownership to Al Lerner (i.e. the legal ability to officially build a staff.)

3: With this truncated build up, there was no scouting staff in place. There was no research on what to use the extra picks that the NFL mercifully gave to Cleveland on. No idea forjust about any of it. The Texans in comparison, hired an entire GM staff in '01 so they had a complete year to scout everything for the NFL draft and the all important Expansion draft... which leads me to...

4: The ****ing expansion draft was broken for Cleveland and the NFL didn't care. In case you are unaware, the expansion draft is a draft where a new team is allowed to take players from other teams. This isn't as good as it sounds. In 1999, the expansion draft involved each other team choosing 5 players to leave unprotected (i.e. the Browns could sign them off of another roster). Teams couldn't select punters or kickers as one of their unprotected players. If the Browns chose a team's player, that team was allowed to protect another of the remaining 4. The browns could not sign more than 2 players from any one team (this was 1 player less than the expansions Panthers and Jaguars were allowed to take). The ******** sets in when the NFL allowed retiring/injured players to be kept on the expansion list, giving the NFL teams a de facto extra protected player slot. Furthermore, after watching Jacksonville and Carolina aggressively sign free agents that weren't tied up, other teams made damn sure that their major free agents were signed to long contracts. Before the Browns first Free Agency began.

Random aside, WFNY has a great article about the above part.
The Browns were set up to fail. As a result, it was inevitable that the first coach was going to be fired. And everyone knew it. In interviews for the position, coaches would say, "I'd love to be the second coach you're going to hire; but count me out for the first one. It's just not worth the risk." This starts the cycle where each head coach gets 2.9 years on average to build a winner or else they're fired. And it's not really any better for our GM. Constantly switching schemes and systems. We're just ****ed. From day 1.
There's plenty more, but you're going to have to actually pay for the book for that.

Then I went down the rabbit hole of Coaches and GMs since 1999. I don't know if I want to cry, throw-up, or punch someone - maybe all three at the same time?

The first pairing never had a chance. Shafted in the Expansion Draft. No time to build a suitable FO to actually assess talent prior to the draft or FA. Just utter failure.
  • Chris Palmer: 1999-2000
  • Dwight Clark: 1999–2001
Butch wasn't terrible, but that was compared to Palmer. Savage wasn't great, but again a step up from Dwight. But Romeo proved that not all Belicheck disciples can be a HC. He was a players coach, and his guys loved him. But he wasn't a HC. Good DC. Terrible HC.
  • Butch Davis: 2001-2004
  • Terry Robiskie: 2004 (Interim)
  • Romeo Crennel: 2005-2008
  • Phil Savage: 2005–2008
Mangini...ugh...I swear this was some weird get back at the NFL on his part after the NE and NYJ debacle. Kokinis was terrible and I swear both used the Browns franchise as their private playground to do with as they wanted.
  • Eric Mangini: 2009-2010
  • George Kokinis: 2009
I liked Heckert and thought he had a chance...until he hired Shurmur. Maybe the hire was ahead of it's time, but he was terrible as a OC and even worse as a HC. I think that would be Heckert's downfall here.
  • Pat Shurmur: 2011-2012
  • Tom Heckert Jr.: 2010–2012
Lombardi....oooh boy. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. Chud was another player's coach. Like Romeo, guys loved him. But he just wasn't that good as a HC. Rough year that was destined for failure.
  • Rob Chudzinski: 2013
  • Michael Lombardi: 2013
Farmer and Pettine...I put this year so far out of my mind that I drew a blank the first time I thought about it. Just the worst of the worst.
  • Mike Pettine: 2014-2015
  • Ray Farmer: 2014–2015
Sashi was just a numbers guy. No good at personnel or the draft. The one good thing he did was forget how fax machines work which blocked Hue's terrible trade idea to get AJ McCarron from CIN at the trade deadline. Hue was a terrible choice as a HC, but he did deliver us our only perfect season. I didn't mind Dorsey, but this was the epitome of an owner wanting to be hands off and simply didn't care. He hired the best "football mind" available for the GM role and said "the team's yours". Gregg brought some fire to a team that never had it. But still wasn't HC material. Freddie was just a lazy, bad hire by Dorsey. If Dorsey spent the time to hire a real HC, that might've changed the direction of this franchise. Instead, it set us back again.
  • Hue Jackson: 2016-2018
  • Gregg Williams: 2018 (Interim)
  • Freddie Kitchens: 2019
  • Sashi Brown: 2016–2017
  • John Dorsey: 2017–2019
Now here we are. As much as the previous GMs have failed, Berry hasn't been that bad in comparison. He's good with the funny money movement, but didn't really say no to Haslam with the whole Watson Trade. Maybe he was in on it as much as they say it was a "team idea". Stefanski was a good OC, and has flashed as a good HC. But now he's just a shell of himself. He needs to move on, if not for the team's sake then for his own sanity. I have no doubt he'll move on and be a good HC somewhere else. But Cleveland isn't the place for him.
  • Kevin Stefanski: 2020-Present
  • Andrew Berry: 2020-Present
I hate saying it, but it's probably time to blow it up again. Whether Berry stays or we replace both the GM/HC simultaneously, a change is needed. I hate that we lost Vrabel to NE. I thought he would be great here. I don't want to lose Schwartz, but it's inevitable. I can see a path where Stefanski is fired after his next loss and Schwartz is moved to Interim HC and retains that title to become the next HC. My only fear is his past experiences as HC didn't turn out well. Maybe he's learned from those experiences. But if we do fire KS, then the next HC has to be a veteran coach. Look how many times CLE has taken first year HCs since 1999. They need to break that pattern.

Oh how this team frustrates me.....
 

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