3 Team Tie Break (1 Viewer)

[TheMaddog]

Three teams in an 8 team league tied for last playoffs spot. Top 4 play in playoffs wk 16 and 17. Each team plays 15 games, each team twice and on week 8 we do schedule by where you are in standings..ie 1 v 2, 3 v 4, 5 v 6 and 7 v 8.

Our tie breaker has always been 1) head to head 2) total year points 3) coin flip

This is our first time since 1979 three teams have tied, how do we interpet 3 team tie.

Team A: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team B; 1-1 v Team C; 1st in total year points -- (2-2 head to head)

Team B: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 2-1 v Team C; 3rd in total year points -- (3-2 head to head)

Team C: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 1-2 v Team B; 2nd in total year points -- (2-3 head to head)

Which off these teams wins the final playoff spot, 5th, 6th...and why...I'll leave my comments to not sway either way, I'm the commish and need to rule...thought I sample an audience not in situation.

 

[candy bar]

Three teams in an 8 team league tied for last playoffs spot. Top 4 play in playoffs wk 16 and 17. Each team plays 15 games, each team twice and on week 8 we do schedule by where you are in standings..ie 1 v 2, 3 v 4, 5 v 6 and 7 v 8. Our tie breaker has always been 1) head to head 2) total year points 3) coin flip This is our first time since 1979 three teams have tied, how do we interpet 3 team tie.Team A: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team B; 1-1 v Team C; 1st in total year points -- (2-2 head to head)Team B: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 2-1 v Team C; 3rd in total year points -- (3-2 head to head)Team C: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 1-2 v Team B; 2nd in total year points -- (2-3 head to head)Which off these teams wins the final playoff spot, 5th, 6th...and why...I'll leave my comments to not sway either way, I'm the commish and need to rule...thought I sample an audience not in situation.

Do you have a rule for a three-team tiebreaker?

 

[cholo]

Three teams in an 8 team league tied for last playoffs spot. Top 4 play in playoffs wk 16 and 17. Each team plays 15 games, each team twice and on week 8 we do schedule by where you are in standings..ie 1 v 2, 3 v 4, 5 v 6 and 7 v 8. Our tie breaker has always been 1) head to head 2) total year points 3) coin flip This is our first time since 1979 three teams have tied, how do we interpet 3 team tie.Team A: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team B; 1-1 v Team C; 1st in total year points -- (2-2 head to head)Team B: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 2-1 v Team C; 3rd in total year points -- (3-2 head to head)Team C: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 1-2 v Team B; 2nd in total year points -- (2-3 head to head)Which off these teams wins the final playoff spot, 5th, 6th...and why...I'll leave my comments to not sway either way, I'm the commish and need to rule...thought I sample an audience not in situation.

edit: I think I misinterpreted the NFL tiebreaking system. I think it would go like this:1. best H2H record gets #4 spot (B wins)2. to determine #5 spot, you check H2H between A&C (tied); then you go to total points and A wins.Or, you could throw out H2H (because not all teams played an equal number of games) and just go by Total Points. Then A wins.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

We had the same thing happen. Since head-to-head cannot be used, we went to the next tiebreaker. That means the total points leader goes to the playoffs (team A). Once that team moves forward, then you compare teams B & C. Team B wins based on head-to-head record. By the way you listed the teams, I think that's what you've come up with as well, right?

 

[TheMaddog]

No we don't have a three team tie break in place.

Per the NFL, don't you take the team that separates itself first? IE team with highest common win percentage per NFL divisional tie break? And then do a 2 team head to head with remaining teams.

 

[biznil]

I would recommend treating team A and Team B&C as two different divisions. Team A did not play the other two teams twice.

I assume that's why the NFL 3-way tiebreaker for teams out of division follow a different tiebreaker than total HTH record comparison which is done within a division.

So you matchup B vs C

B Beats C HTH 2-1.

A has no one else in their "division" so they move on

Team A and B matchup - tied HTH 1-1, Team A wins on points

Then matchup B versus C

B wins HTH 2-1

C is left for the final spot

Tough not to give it to A when neither B nor C had a winning record against them AND they were #1 in points.

 

[cholo]

I would recommend treating team A and Team B&C as two different divisions. Team A did not play the other two teams twice.I assume that's why the NFL 3-way tiebreaker for teams out of division follow a different tiebreaker than total HTH record comparison which is done within a division.So you matchup B vs CB Beats C HTH 2-1.A has no one else in their "division" so they move onTeam A and B matchup - tied HTH 1-1, Team A wins on pointsThen matchup B versus CB wins HTH 2-1C is left for the final spotTough not to give it to A when neither B nor C had a winning record against them AND they were #1 in points.

If we treat B&C like they're in the same division, then you first have to break the tie between B&C (B wins). Then ONLY B would go to the next step in the tiebreaker, versus A. (and A would win based on most total points).

 

[TheMaddog]

I was trying to liken to the NFL, under division 3 team tie break, they use win% among common opponents...so the fact that one team played 5 games and other played 4 is irrelevant.

 

[cholo]

I was trying to liken to the NFL, under division 3 team tie break, they use win% among common opponents...so the fact that one team played 5 games and other played 4 is irrelevant.

Are A, B & C all in the same division?

 

[baldgriff]

Throw out head to head as it is there is not a equitable competition there. Total points and move on..

 

[biznil]

I was trying to liken to the NFL, under division 3 team tie break, they use win% among common opponents...so the fact that one team played 5 games and other played 4 is irrelevant.

I assume the NFL in-division tiebreaker works like that is because there is a guarantee that each team played each other opponent twice.The out-of-division 3-way tie breaker works differently as the one odd team did not have the advantage (or potential disadvantage) of playing those extra game(s)So as I said, if you treat is like this, A gets the playoff spot. But as your league sounds like it is all teams in a single division, with a random scheduled match mixed in it's not neccessarily fair to follow NFL rules either.If there is no rule in place, the commissioner simply needs to make a call on it.

 

[Anarchy99]

Three teams in an 8 team league tied for last playoffs spot. Top 4 play in playoffs wk 16 and 17. Each team plays 15 games, each team twice and on week 8 we do schedule by where you are in standings..ie 1 v 2, 3 v 4, 5 v 6 and 7 v 8. Our tie breaker has always been 1) head to head 2) total year points 3) coin flip This is our first time since 1979 three teams have tied, how do we interpet 3 team tie.Team A: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team B; 1-1 v Team C; 1st in total year points -- (2-2 head to head)Team B: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 2-1 v Team C; 3rd in total year points -- (3-2 head to head)Team C: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 1-2 v Team B; 2nd in total year points -- (2-3 head to head)Which off these teams wins the final playoff spot, 5th, 6th...and why...I'll leave my comments to not sway either way, I'm the commish and need to rule...thought I sample an audience not in situation.

You can't use head to head as a tiebreaker because the teams did not play an equal amount of games (at least that's hpw the NFL does it). The second tie breaker is total points. TEAM A has the most total points, so they get in.

 

[encaitar]

Three teams in an 8 team league tied for last playoffs spot. Top 4 play in playoffs wk 16 and 17. Each team plays 15 games, each team twice and on week 8 we do schedule by where you are in standings..ie 1 v 2, 3 v 4, 5 v 6 and 7 v 8. Our tie breaker has always been 1) head to head 2) total year points 3) coin flip This is our first time since 1979 three teams have tied, how do we interpet 3 team tie.Team A: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team B; 1-1 v Team C; 1st in total year points -- (2-2 head to head)Team B: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 2-1 v Team C; 3rd in total year points -- (3-2 head to head)Team C: 7-8 record, 1-1 v Team A; 1-2 v Team B; 2nd in total year points -- (2-3 head to head)Which off these teams wins the final playoff spot, 5th, 6th...and why...I'll leave my comments to not sway either way, I'm the commish and need to rule...thought I sample an audience not in situation.

You can't use head to head as a tiebreaker because the teams did not play an equal amount of games (at least that's hpw the NFL does it). The second tie breaker is total points. TEAM A has the most total points, so they get in.

You have to go total points here because A shouldn't be punished for not playing as many games against the other two. In the NFL, as others have stated, each team plays the same number of divisional games AND the same number of conference games so divisional and conference records work as tie-breakers. When you have a discrepency in the number of games played HTH, you have to go to your second tiebreaker.