4 flying objects have been shot down over North America: “Spy balloons and UFOs up to no good” (2 Viewers)

[the moops]

"Article says nothing at all about a warplane, or any type of plane, being shot down."

"warplane shot down object"

 

[beer 30]

Y'all figure this thing out yet? I don't feel like reading through the 5 pages that were added this weekend. TIA

 

[Keerock]

Y'all figure this thing out yet? I don't feel like reading through the 5 pages that were added this weekend. TIA

Yep. Rhianna is pregnant.

 

[Faust]

China says U.S. balloons flew over its airspace more than 10 times

 

[higgins]

Y'all figure this thing out yet? I don't feel like reading through the 5 pages that were added this weekend. TIA

I thought this link did a good job.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

China says U.S. balloons flew over its airspace more than 10 times

“The U.S. should first reflect upon itself and change course instead of smearing other countries,” he added.

And until they do, China will continue to smear the smearing smearers.

 

[The Z Machine]

China says U.S. balloons flew over its airspace more than 10 times

Antony Blinken's reply: "Pics or it didn't happen."

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Starting to think this is viral marketing for Top Gun 3

 

[beer 30]

Y'all figure this thing out yet? I don't feel like reading through the 5 pages that were added this weekend. TIA

I thought this link did a good job.

Thanks! Interesting dude, Peter Zeihan. Just learned about him after his recent Rogan podcast. His takes on China and their future are interesting to say the least.

 

[top dog]

China says U.S. balloons flew over its airspace more than 10 times

Also China:
- Nope. We had nothing to do with that
- That is a civilian baloon
- Yo! Can we get our stuff back?
- You Americans are so over-reacting
- Hey! What's that?! I think WE saw a balloon!
- Yeah, Whatevs... USA has flown 10 balloons over our airspace.

 

[Sand]

China says U.S. balloons flew over its airspace more than 10 times

Also China:
- Nope. We had nothing to do with that
- That is a civilian baloon
- Yo! Can we get our stuff back?
- You Americans are so over-reacting
- Hey! What's that?! I think WE saw a balloon!
- Yeah, Whatevs... USA has flown 10 balloons over our airspace.

This is what I would expect from China as far as this goes. This is the government that accused the US of seeding COVID during the military games in Wuhan. So the whole "go on offense to distract no matter how silly the offensive accusation is" is a pretty well beaten path here.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

China says U.S. balloons flew over its airspace more than 10 times

I guess "shut up and just take the L" isn't in China's playbook.

Say what you will about American political leadership, but our president doesn't look like Winnie the Pooh, and he'd probably have a sense of humor about it if he did instead of being a whiny crybaby.

 

[Doug B]

China’s Top Airship Scientist Promoted Program to Watch the World From Above (New York Times, 2/13/2023)

The link above requires a free subscription, but the same article is carried on the aggregator site DNYUZ.

 

[El Floppo]

U.S. military fighter jets on Sunday downed an octagonal object over Lake Huron, the Pentagon said. On Friday, an object was shot down over sea ice near Deadhorse, Alaska, and a third object, cylindrical in shape, was destroyed over Canada's Yukon on Saturday, with investigators still hunting for the wreckage, officials said.

that's from Reuters.

so we're shooting down platonic solids... without knowing what they are? sorry- octagonal shaped?! isn't this how the movie Independence Day started?

 

[TripItUp]

Why not try capturing these things that we don't know what they are...it's not like they were shooting at us...just a car sized cylindrical object without visible propulsion....capture it for the love of christ.

 

[The Kerminator]

Why not try capturing these things that we don't know what they are...it's not like they were shooting at us...just a car sized cylindrical object without visible propulsion....capture it for the love of christ.

We should just attach large butterfly nets to the F-22s

 

[fatness]

Why not try capturing these things that we don't know what they are...it's not like they were shooting at us...just a car sized cylindrical object without visible propulsion....capture it for the love of christ.

Pretty sure that's what they're trying to do. The first huge balloon was shot down over relatively shallow water in the Atlantic, most of the payload has been located in 2 small areas, and they're diving as weather allows to recover it. Today they recovered some of it.

Second object was shot down over frozen water north of Alaska and they're working on recovering it. That cannot be easy to access quickly. There's also a recovery operation underway in Lake Huron for the 4th object.

Are you imagining a big net or something?

 

[TripItUp]

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Are you imagining a big net or something?

Not sure, but if we can land a rover on mars...pretty sure we can capture these things without shooting them down and searching for them in water...seems kinda dumb.

ETA the balloon seems like a separate incident than the cylinders. I'm more interested in the cylinders.

 

[fatness]

A crane ship on the scene where a Chinese surveillance balloon went down in waters off South Carolina has raised from the ocean bottom a significant portion of the balloon’s payload, a U.S. official said Monday. Officials have said the payload measured as much as 30-feet-long and had all of craft's tech gear and antennas.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sig...yload-recovered-us-official/story?id=97086836

 

[fatness]

Not sure, but if we can land a rover on mars...pretty sure we can capture these things without shooting them down and searching for them in water...seems kinda dumb.

Only 1 guy can.

 

[fatness]

With regard to other object shot down Friday and over the weekend, the official said the U.S. military continues to look for the remnants from the take out of the sky off the coast of Alaska. While the pilots who shot down that object saw pieces land on icy waters,, the official said, the search continues for the debris field amid bad weather. The U.S. wants to pinpoint the exact location before it places personnel in dangerous icy conditions, the official said. A Navy P-8 search plane was in the sky looking for debris.

Concerning the object shot down over Canada, the official said, that country's government is taking the lead but has not yet located the debris.

And about the object shot down Sunday afternoon over Lake Huron in Michigan, the official said, the U.S. Coast Guard and Canadian authorities are still looking for the debris that landed on water. Because there was a good visual of where it may have landed, the official said, there is confidence the remnants will be recovered.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sig...yload-recovered-us-official/story?id=97086836

 

[TripItUp]

With regard to other object shot down Friday and over the weekend, the official said the U.S. military continues to look for the remnants from the take out of the sky off the coast of Alaska. While the pilots who shot down that object saw pieces land on icy waters,, the official said, the search continues for the debris field amid bad weather. The U.S. wants to pinpoint the exact location before it places personnel in dangerous icy conditions, the official said. A Navy P-8 search plane was in the sky looking for debris.

Concerning the object shot down over Canada, the official said, that country's government is taking the lead but has not yet located the debris.

And about the object shot down Sunday afternoon over Lake Huron in Michigan, the official said, the U.S. Coast Guard and Canadian authorities are still looking for the debris that landed on water. Because there was a good visual of where it may have landed, the official said, there is confidence the remnants will be recovered.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sig...yload-recovered-us-official/story?id=97086836

Exactly, they don't even know what they shot.

 

[The General]

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Are you imagining a big net or something?

Not sure, but if we can land a rover on mars...pretty sure we can capture these things without shooting them down and searching for them in water...seems kinda dumb.

ETA the balloon seems like a separate incident than the cylinders. I'm more interested in the cylinders.

Email all ideas to the Pentagon…Cc Defense Department, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Acme

 

[fatness]

Exactly, they don't even know what they shot.

So they're looking for it, to find it, to see what it is. Isn't that what smart people would do?

 

[GroveDiesel]

With regard to other object shot down Friday and over the weekend, the official said the U.S. military continues to look for the remnants from the take out of the sky off the coast of Alaska. While the pilots who shot down that object saw pieces land on icy waters,, the official said, the search continues for the debris field amid bad weather. The U.S. wants to pinpoint the exact location before it places personnel in dangerous icy conditions, the official said. A Navy P-8 search plane was in the sky looking for debris.

Concerning the object shot down over Canada, the official said, that country's government is taking the lead but has not yet located the debris.

And about the object shot down Sunday afternoon over Lake Huron in Michigan, the official said, the U.S. Coast Guard and Canadian authorities are still looking for the debris that landed on water. Because there was a good visual of where it may have landed, the official said, there is confidence the remnants will be recovered.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sig...yload-recovered-us-official/story?id=97086836

Exactly, they don't even know what they shot.

Or maybe they’ve actually been tracking these things for a long time but believed they weren’t a threat until they recovered something from the balloon debris that concerned them enough to take these things out.

 

[AAABatteries]

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Are you imagining a big net or something?

Not sure, but if we can land a rover on mars...pretty sure we can capture these things without shooting them down and searching for them in water...seems kinda dumb.

ETA the balloon seems like a separate incident than the cylinders. I'm more interested in the cylinders.

Email all ideas to the Pentagon…Cc Defense Department, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Acme

Trapeze net covered in Saran wrap held by four parachutists.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So are these things the pilots have been seeing for years now?

Is it possible they have some sort of immediate deflate and booster mechanism and that’s how they drop into the ocean so fast?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Did we adjust our radar/scanners or something that we are picking so many things up suddenly? Maybe this was already a regular occurrence and is a bunch if flat earthers trying to prove their point?

 

[The Kerminator]

So are these things the pilots have been seeing for years now?

Is it possible they have some sort of immediate deflate and booster mechanism and that’s how they drop into the ocean so fast?

New video showing China's spy balloon program

Explains what the balloon and the cylindrical object seen were

 

[bcat01]

Did we adjust our radar/scanners or something that we are picking so many things up suddenly? Maybe this was already a regular occurrence and is a bunch if flat earthers trying to prove their point?

I heard on the radio that they did adjust the radar based off of the 1st balloon and that is how they found the others.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Did we adjust our radar/scanners or something that we are picking so many things up suddenly? Maybe this was already a regular occurrence and is a bunch if flat earthers trying to prove their point?

I heard on the radio that they did adjust the radar based off of the 1st balloon and that is how they found the others.

I read an article explaining this point of view yesterday, too. I guess that's possible, but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

 

[The Z Machine]

I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Eh... I think it's plausible that while some people thought of it, no one went to mat to change the SOP that the Air Force / NORAD / USN was using to scan the skies.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Did we adjust our radar/scanners or something that we are picking so many things up suddenly? Maybe this was already a regular occurrence and is a bunch if flat earthers trying to prove their point?

I heard on the radio that they did adjust the radar based off of the 1st balloon and that is how they found the others.

I read an article explaining this point of view yesterday, too. I guess that's possible, but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Not sure which article you read, but this guy’s thread and article are pretty persuasive that this is exactly what has happened.

 

[belljr]

Did we adjust our radar/scanners or something that we are picking so many things up suddenly? Maybe this was already a regular occurrence and is a bunch if flat earthers trying to prove their point?

I heard on the radio that they did adjust the radar based off of the 1st balloon and that is how they found the others.

I read an article explaining this point of view yesterday, too. I guess that's possible, but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Well for laymen people imagine a scenario where you are ATC and based on the configuration you get a bunch of false targets because of buildings, mountain ranges, a whole bevy of stuff. Well you know that the one area will always produce these so you filter out "the smaller noise". That's just one example of how it "could" happen

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Did we adjust our radar/scanners or something that we are picking so many things up suddenly? Maybe this was already a regular occurrence and is a bunch if flat earthers trying to prove their point?

I heard on the radio that they did adjust the radar based off of the 1st balloon and that is how they found the others.

I read an article explaining this point of view yesterday, too. I guess that's possible, but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Not sure which article you read, but this guy’s thread and article are pretty persuasive that this is exactly what has happened.

Yeah, that's the article I was thinking of.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

If you are still one of the many millions who think the US government is good ant anything just know they thought balloons were aliens/“not of this world”.

Morons.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If you are still one of the many millions who think the US government is good ant anything just know they thought balloons were aliens/“not of this world”.

Morons.

I guess I should add here that I'm not sure whether I should be rooting for the government to be lying to us or whether I'm rooting for gross government incompetence. Regardless, "foreign nations might use high-altitude balloons for intelligence-gathering purposes" seems like something completely predictable. If our military is telling us that they were caught off guard by a centuries-old technology, I have no choice but to conclude that they're either lying or incompetent. There is no third option.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

"We had never considered 'people putting drinking glasses against a door' as a tool of eavesdropping or using binoculars as a tool for seeing greater distances."

 

[The General]

So ummm…about that military budget.

 

[Doug B]

... but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Ballistic missiles arc higher than these balloons, and aircraft fly lower. Weather and research balloons (even China's) were registered and launched with notifications. It's reasonable to me that there was an intentional "dead spot" in NORAD's detection systems.

Air traffic control radar is the same way. The air is not radar-swept from the ground to deep space -- only the range where manned vehicles navigate. And tons of objects are filtered out.

On top of that: I don't think China's current balloon espionage caught US intelligence by surprise at all. I do think US intelligence didn't want what they knew out in public.

 

[dickey moe]

So are these things the pilots have been seeing for years now?

Is it possible they have some sort of immediate deflate and booster mechanism and that’s how they drop into the ocean so fast?

I'm guessing pulleys and levers.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

... but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Ballistic missiles arc higher than these balloons, and aircraft fly lower. Weather and research balloons (even China's) were registered and launched with notifications. It's reasonable to me that there was an intentional "dead spot" in NORAD's detection systems.

Air traffic control radar is the same way. The air is not radar-swept from the ground to deep space -- only the range where manned vehicles navigate. And tons of objects are filtered out.

On top of that: I don't think China's current balloon espionage caught US intelligence by surprise at all. I do think US intelligence didn't want what they knew out in public.

This is likely true. How much counter intelligence were we doing that's now impossible because they know we know?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

... but I'm pretty skeptical that nobody ever thought about this sort of thing before.

Ballistic missiles arc higher than these balloons, and aircraft fly lower. Weather and research balloons (even China's) were registered and launched with notifications. It's reasonable to me that there was an intentional "dead spot" in NORAD's detection systems.

Air traffic control radar is the same way. The air is not radar-swept from the ground to deep space -- only the range where manned vehicles navigate. And tons of objects are filtered out.

On top of that: I don't think China's current balloon espionage caught US intelligence by surprise at all. I do think US intelligence didn't want what they knew out in public.

Like I said, they're either lying, or they're incompetent. "They knew but they weren't telling us the truth" isn't a rebuttal -- it's just picking one of two explanations, and those explanations aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Keerock]

So are these things the pilots have been seeing for years now?

Is it possible they have some sort of immediate deflate and booster mechanism and that’s how they drop into the ocean so fast?

I'm guessing pulleys and levers.

Ball bearings... it's all ball bearings nowadays.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So ummm…about that military budget.

Talk about a balloon payment.

 

[the moops]

If you are still one of the many millions who think the US government is good ant anything just know they thought balloons were aliens/“not of this world”.

Morons.

They did?

 

[ChiefD]

So ummm…about that military budget.

Talk about a balloon payment.

:golfclap:

 

[TripItUp]

I think people are incorrectly lumping in all objects as balloons. There are clearly two different types of objects per the govt.

It's the non-balloon objects that I'm more interested in...and for some reason the US is destroying them without really knowing what they are...or maybe they do and just aren't telling us.

 

[The General]

I think people are incorrectly lumping in all objects as balloons. There are clearly two different types of objects per the govt.

It's the non-balloon objects that I'm more interested in...and for some reason the US is destroying them without really knowing what they are...or maybe they do and just aren't telling us.

If this was some dude from Newfoundland's elaborate Halloween lawn decoration that blew away in a storm they aren't telling us. The crazy thing is It could be that

I'll continue to trust that these people have some sort of clue, are proficient at course correcting, etc.

 

[Chaos34]

I think people are incorrectly lumping in all objects as balloons. There are clearly two different types of objects per the govt.

It's the non-balloon objects that I'm more interested in...and for some reason the US is destroying them without really knowing what they are...or maybe they do and just aren't telling us.

None of them have been identical, but only one was huge spy balloon. The other three are similar to each other. Um, guys, be leery of forming opinions based on what is released to the media or some guy who "knows things" on Twitter. The details are classified until they're not.