El Floppo
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Who gave the description of him in women’s clothing?
The police chief, whom was dressed as a cowboy.
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4th of July parade shooting in Chicago suburb (2 Viewers)
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Who gave the description of him in women’s clothing?
The police chief, whom was dressed as a cowboy.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I only speak for myself here but I'm long past giving a #### about that. I don't care that people wouldn't be able to get guns - they will survive, unlike the people who were shot to death this weekend.
beer 30
Footballguy
So he goes to this level to ostensibly throw the police off but doesn't have the common sense to not use a gun that he legally purchased and so, registered with an FFL and the state?
Before I get run over by the morals truck, I say that to point out that if you had a truly maniacal person, who was well versed with a gun, the hit to mis ratio would be flipped and these events would be more similar to what we saw in Vegas years ago as opposed to some nut dressed as a woman popping off 70 rounds and only killing 6. I deplore these violent acts but be prepared, they could be and most likely will be much, much worse.
Chemical X
Footballguy
sadly, i have determined that this country cares about mass shootings 1 day for each victim, then we go on our merry hating way. so, by this coming weekend, all will be back to “normal”.
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Insoxicated
His YouTube Channel.
Here's w WGN news story with some of this content and much more. Turns out he was "known to police"
https://youtu.be/TsfBczc7bS0
If you're in favor of Red Flag laws, THIS is textbook use for them.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
Don’t tell Karma Police but you can work on Chicago. They only had 80+ shootings this weekend.
beer 30
Footballguy
Were those all from him or people crawling over one another to get out of the way? I never have seen.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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BeTheMatch
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FairWarning
Footballguy
Good point, some of it could be from getting trampled.I’ll see if I can find that out later. Even so, they wouldn’t have been trampled if there was no gunshots.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
We have all 3 of our kids living within 25 minutes and now have 3 grandchildren. We aren't going anywhere.
That said we went to Ireland a few years ago and loved it. It seemed a hell of a lot more peaceful than the USA.
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beer 30
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Thanks
Yep, was just referring to gunshots but fair point, none of it happens if dip#### doesn't go all Charles Whitman.
Galileo
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
I hope my Illinois politicians enforce extreme gun control laws. Other states that don’t do the same can go ..pound sand. This is beyond ridiculous.
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TLEF316
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Per CNN....
Police say they took knives and a sword from the Illinois shooting suspect's home in 2019 after a relative reported he threatened to "kill everyone"
Despite this, he was legally allowed to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Because....ya know....we are entitled to a "well regulated militia". Makes TOTAL sense.
Police say they took knives and a sword from the Illinois shooting suspect's home in 2019 after a relative reported he threatened to "kill everyone"
Despite this, he was legally allowed to buy a semi-automatic rifle. Because....ya know....we are entitled to a "well regulated militia". Makes TOTAL sense.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I was just reading that too.
BBC link
In April 2019, police were called to his home one week after he reportedly attempted suicide. "It was a mental health issue," Mr Covelli said on Tuesday, adding that the issue was left in the hands of "mental health professionals".
In September 2019, police were called by a family member of the suspect, who said he was making violent threats to "kill everyone".
Police responded and removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from his home. He was not arrested, and no further action was taken.
BBC link
In April 2019, police were called to his home one week after he reportedly attempted suicide. "It was a mental health issue," Mr Covelli said on Tuesday, adding that the issue was left in the hands of "mental health professionals".
In September 2019, police were called by a family member of the suspect, who said he was making violent threats to "kill everyone".
Police responded and removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from his home. He was not arrested, and no further action was taken.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think I am doing the math right - would that mean that when those incidents happened it's possible he was still 17, so those things wouldn't show up on a scan when purchasing guns? Or is it that those types of things still aren't flagged, hence being able to buy guns a year ago?
Galileo
Footballguy
Yet the uncle, when interviewed, claimed there were no signs violent behavior. Nice job uncle Paul.
BeTheMatch
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Galileo
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6 of the 7 deceased have been publicly identified...
- 64-year-old Katherine Goldstein of Highland Park
- 35-year-old Irina McCarthy of Highland Park
- 37-year-old Kevin McCarthy of Highland Park
- 63-year-old Jacquelyn Sundheim of Highland Park
- 88-year-old Stephen Straus of Highland Park
- 78-year-old Nicolas Toledo-Zaragoza of Morelos, Mexico
Alex P Keaton
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Found out a good friend’s husband was one of the first few officers on the scene Monday. He’s a tough dude, but he was rattled by the scene he walked into. Said it was “like walking onto the set of a horror movie.” He’s actually on the FoxNews website landing page right now (or he was 1-2 hours ago). Anyway, if that dude was bothered by it, then it must have been tough to see. Oh, two things he mentioned that really hit him: 1) how many flip flops were laying on the ground because people just ran and left their shoes / flops behind, 2) the fear people had as he was shepherding people who had been hiding into safety.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Gun laws won't change until every single person in this country has been subjected to a mass shooting themselves. Should be any day now...
Galileo
Footballguy
Didn't make this connection before, but these are the parents of the 2 yr old that was found in the chaos. A Go Fund Me account was set up for the boy...already hit $1.2 M. Such tragedy...and such amazing generosity that has resulted.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I think the regulations on that militia need to be rethought because it's is failing the "well" portion.
krista4
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Many of us have been begging to fix NICS and include juvenile records to the registry.
Still hasn't happened.
So so so many low hanging fruit as pathways to prevent this that don't infringe on the constitutionally protected rights of law abiding citizens...
But no.... that's not an option because for many leaders apparently the true goal is to disarm the populace, not to actually reduce shootings
So, here we are.
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BeTheMatch
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McBokonon
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At least he’ll grow up happy knowing they died protecting an American’s right to shoot as many bullets as humanly possible or not be mildly inconvenienced when buying an assault rifle.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Ugh. Seriously, who reads this and says “meh, no big deal.” That is really truly awful.
BeTheMatch
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FairWarning
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tri-man 47
Footballguy
How does any politician go home, look his spouse and children in the eyes, and tell them he’s too concerned about keeping his elected seat instead of taking action to save lives? How do those family members tolerate this? I absolutely don’t understand it. You’d think that somewhere, in some state, a high schooler would form an organized group of politicians’ kids to protest what their spineless parents are (not) doing.
Dr. Octopus
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Politics has become so divided that Democrats and Republicans are so afraid of being torn a new one by CNN and FOX, respectively, if they dare stray towards a compromised position. This is not the way it’s supposed to be.
The loudmouths on the right and left play right into it and continue to push the divide even further.
Look at this thread where you see boogeymen like “they want to take our guns” - anyone saying that is part of the problem. No one wants all guns gone (basically impossible) - they want sensible restraints - but OH NO SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!
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Pssssst: "sensible restraints" in the eyes of much/most of the anti-gun crowd is "we want to take some of your guns"
Its not a boogeyman when they've come right out and said it. HTH
And this is where you guys try to tell us what we do and don't need. Then we tell you that's not how this works.
I am absolutely for "sensible restraints" like:
- universal background checks
- limiting semi-auto rifle purchases to 21+ And adding secondary training certification (operated by private industry) to get an enhanced permit to own semi-auto rifles (on a shall issue basis, like Bruen ruling on carry)
-Fixing NICS to mandate all states submit records. Also by adding juvenile and mental health records to the system.
- Increase funding for quality red flag laws (that vet complaints within 72hrs, and have penalties for abuse of the system)
- Establish a national network of state level reporting / response centers for folks exhibiting signs of high risk behavior and/or are basically screaming from the rooftops that they are about to do something like this (and most of these idiots are known to police and have basically fortold their actions)
- Improve mental health support nationally, and improve secondary screening of high risk individuals prior to clearing firearms purchase.
- Standardize and Improve training required to concealed carry.
- improve funding to schools specifically to improve security and fund/train armed resource officers as well as establish an optional carry program for qualified/trained teachers.
- and you know... Actually enforce existing laws... lots of issues with that right now.
etc etc etc... have outlined this in the gun control thread.
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Dr. Octopus
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
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This thread is like reading the results of 50 years of demoralization. What a awful country you folks think you live in. Your soft ideology and policies lead to this corrupted state of affairs and yet you continue to vote and beg for more of it.
We need to promote healthy nationalism, love and acceptance, not morally bankrupt and disingenuous, hyperbolic propaganda campaigns.
The guns have always been here, it’s the people and culture that’s changed.
We need to promote healthy nationalism, love and acceptance, not morally bankrupt and disingenuous, hyperbolic propaganda campaigns.
The guns have always been here, it’s the people and culture that’s changed.
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You sincerely don't think several politicians have come right out about confiscating some/all guns?
You've never seen/heard quotes like these?
"Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47.” - -Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke
If I could have gotten...an outright ban – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!” -- Senator Diane Feinstein,
"We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.” -- Rahm Emanuel, President Obama's former Chief of Staff and a senior advisor to President Bill Clinton
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yeah - I've heard some calls to limit those types of weapons - to me that's not "taking all of your guns away" and it's arguably not infringing on your right to bear arms (there are already limitations in place on owning certain types of 'arms').
But stronger red flag laws (and enforcing the ones in place) and/or upping the age limit from 18 to 21 is a reasonable start imo - and many are even scared of that, because "OMG they want to take your guns away!!!!"
I'm not going to further discuss in this thread (it's not the place) - and I stand by what I said - nothing will get done because compromise is now considered a weakness in politics.
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beer 30
Footballguy
Just enforcing some common sense would be a good start. This Twitter thread gives a pretty good timeline into how nutjob got his guns thanks to good old dad. Who, I might add, should be tried for every crime his son committed.
https://twitter.com/monicaeng/status/1544458021484511236
"Per Illinois State Police: Crimo's death threats and weapon confiscation happened in Sept 2019. Crimo then applied for his FOID card in December 2019 sponsored by his father and it was reviewed in Jan 2020.
Because the family did not press charges at the time of the Sept 2019 death threats, ISP says that when they were reviewing Crimo III's FOID card application in Jan 2020, "there was insufficient basis to establish a clear and present danger and deny the FOID application.""
Capella
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
So tired of this ####. Just like GB in the other forum, you guys conveniently glance over all the posts from conservatives with complaints about big cities, lib media, Hollywood being political, the border, etc, etc. But for some reason despite concerns and complaints from both sides of the aisle, only one gets to drape themselves in the flag and claim they love the country.
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