5 Reasons McNabb is Fantasy Gold! (1 Viewer)

[CBower4545]

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!

2) McNabb&Garcia were the #1 QB in 06’

3) Even if he gets injured he will give top 5 QB production.

4) Philly has a nice schedule for QB’s, especially during playoffs.

5) Minimal investment

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!

--------McNabb-------------------Manning

--------FBG Fantasy Points per Game

00’-----21.125------------------------22.187

01’-----19.375------------------------20.437

02’-----25.80--------------------------20.375

03’-----16.6----------------------------20.125

04’-----21.875-------------------------26.12

05’------21.333-------------------------18.375

06’* ----25.7----------------------------22.625

AVG 21.686--------------------------21.463

*based on 9.25 games

FBG PPG projection 07’---16.2375

So 07’ he hits career lows in PPG? I think he hits closer to his average. It looks like FBG projected him to play the full year but also projected him to have career lows. He has been at his peak the last three years, last year without TO, so I don’t get the huge decline.

2) McNabb&Garcia were the #1 QB in 06’

2006 totals*

Garcia & McNabb--------------------Manning

348.6------------------------------------347.2

*I am not counting week 17 for two reasons. 1) most of us are done playing FF. 2) Garcia didn’t play and anyone actually playing still would be able to find someone to put up better then 1.4 pts

3) Even if he gets injured he will give top 5 QB production.

AJ Feeley WK13-16 02’ Fantasy PPG 14.8*

*He barely played wk12. Philly had already clinched the division and a bye, and I think GB played before them, meaning they knew they had the #1 seed. So they played vanilla.

FBG projects Eli as #15 at 253.1 & FBG projects Favre as #16 at 249.4

So just say you get an average backup 250 pts over 16 games, which gives a PPG of 15.625

Here is your end of the year numbers using just McNabb’s average PPG, Feeleys Average PPG from 02’(13-16), avg backup ppg.

# of Games McNabb plays-----6----------8--------10-----------12

16GmTotalw/Feely------------278.1-----291.8---304.8-------319.4

16GmTotalw/AvgBackup-----286.35----298.4---309.75-----322.732

Using this system here is how he ranks using FBG 07 projections.

# of Games McNabb plays-----6----------8--------10-----------12

McNabb&Feeley---------------#6QB-----#4QB---#2QB-------#2QB

McNabb&AvBackup----------#5QB-----#4QB----#2QB-------#2QB

Unless you think he can’t play 6 games he should give top 5 production.

4) Philly has a nice schedule for QB’s, especially during playoffs.

FBG QB Strength of Schedule

5) Minimal Investment

For a late 4th early 5th you get value. Grab Feeley with your last pick and/or continue with your normal back up plan.

As long as McNabb plays 6 games you probably get the top 5 QB numbers. 10 Games you can get the #2QB. If he stays healthy you could have the #1 QB, and he has apparently a sweet playoff schedule. Draft a good back-up with a fine playoff schedule and you get to rent Manning like production for 6 to 12 weeks with the possibility of it being more. Why not?

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I'm all for McNabb, but I don't agree with some of this. For one, you claim McNabb has been better than Manning for 7 years. That's very misleading. First of all, 4 of those 7 years Manning was better than McNabb. McNabb just covered the spread in the other 3 years, but the majority of the time Manning was better on an individual season basis.

Also, Manning plays all year. McNabb gets hurt. A lot. So again, saying he's been better than Manning is misleading.

Also, I wouldn't consider a 4th/5th round pick to be "minimal" investment. In addition to having to use a fairly early pick, if you take McNabb you HAVE to get a solid backup. In effect, McNabb's costing you a 4th or 5th and then an 8th or so on top of that.

He's being taken before players like Coles, DJax, Heap, Gonzalez, etc. And there's still good QBs on the board behind him you can get later.

Bulger is going 6 picks higher according to FBG ADP. If I'm going to take a QB that early, I'd rather take Bulger and not have to worry about taking a good backup in the next round or two.

 

[Borat]

I'm on this boat. McNabb puts up top-notch numbers when healthy. He's got a lot to prove this season, and I could see him falling in a lot of drafts.

 

[BLOX]

McNabb will be my 5th round pick in every redraft I do, unless he isn't there.

 

[kensat30]

I'm all for McNabb.

PPG is a key statistic that many people gloss over in fantasy football when evaluating their cheatsheet. The most common argument against McNabb is that he rarely finishes as a top QB at the end of the season, and IMO that is a stupid argument. IF anything the argument you want to make against McNabb, is that he won't be there for you when it counts the most, during the fantasy playoffs. But at the same time I've rode players like Billy Volek and Tony Romo to championships, so I'm not afraid that my stud won't be there when the time comes.

That is why you draft 2 QBs, not only for bye weeks, but because you should always have two QBs. Hell, I am always keeping my eye on the waiver wire, and I may keep 3 QBs or even 4 QBs on my roster if I see potential there. QBs are fairly easy to find, you just have to be willing to pull the trigger. I've found that weekly matchups can be key to winning or losing each and every week, because guess what, Tom Brady just isn't going to do it for you.

If McNabb lasts me just the first 7 games of the season, and I go 6-1 in those weeks, he is well worth a 5th round pick to me. He's done a lot better than someone who ranks higher over the course of an entire season, but fails to win the close game due to his poor ppg average. Wins early in the season are more important than the fantasy schedule come week 14-16. You have to be in it to win it. And even then, having Peyton Manning may not guarantee victory against the likes of a David Garrard type.

 

[kurtrudder]

The biggest thing about McNabb is his current knee injury. He tore his ACL. This is a serious knee injury with a minimum time frame for recovery being 9 months with the knee not returning to full health and complete mobility till at least 18-24 months.

I think in many people's heads, they will be comparing the recovery of Carson Palmer last season to McNabb's situation but that is dangerous territory. Palmer has never been a mobile QB, and his knee injury while it limited him in 2006, it did not take away from him an intergral part of his repertoire.

McNabb, like Daunte Culpepper has been a mobile QB and the recovery from this knee injury will severely limit what he can do on the field. We saw it when Cpep was rushed back last year, he really shouldn't have been out there as was painfully obvious but his football instincts take over and when the play breaks down, as a mobile QB, he will run the ball.

McNabb will have to modify that part of his game if he is going to make a successful come back this year. But how does an 8 year NFL veteran not follow that innate instinct to run the ball, something he has done throughout his career.

I don't think the Eagles will rush McNabb back like Miami did with Culpepper but a football player wants to play and McNabb will get out there first chance he gets. The pressure of a drafted QB won't help him ease himself back either. I hope he is fully recovered from his injury but I can't see how that is possible considering they type of game McNabb plays.

 

[joffer]

The biggest thing about McNabb is his current knee injury. He tore his ACL. This is a serious knee injury with a minimum time frame for recovery being 9 months with the knee not returning to full health and complete mobility till at least 18-24 months.I think in many people's heads, they will be comparing the recovery of Carson Palmer last season to McNabb's situation but that is dangerous territory. Palmer has never been a mobile QB, and his knee injury while it limited him in 2006, it did not take away from him an intergral part of his repertoire.McNabb, like Daunte Culpepper has been a mobile QB and the recovery from this knee injury will severely limit what he can do on the field. We saw it when Cpep was rushed back last year, he really shouldn't have been out there as was painfully obvious but his football instincts take over and when the play breaks down, as a mobile QB, he will run the ball. McNabb will have to modify that part of his game if he is going to make a successful come back this year. But how does an 8 year NFL veteran not follow that innate instinct to run the ball, something he has done throughout his career. I don't think the Eagles will rush McNabb back like Miami did with Culpepper but a football player wants to play and McNabb will get out there first chance he gets. The pressure of a drafted QB won't help him ease himself back either. I hope he is fully recovered from his injury but I can't see how that is possible considering they type of game McNabb plays.

Culpepper's injury was more severe than McNabb's

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Every single team that had McNabb was in first place in either scoring or wins last year in the many leagues I was invloved in. Then he got hurt once again.

Not a single one of those teams won the title.

 

[kurtrudder]

The biggest thing about McNabb is his current knee injury. He tore his ACL. This is a serious knee injury with a minimum time frame for recovery being 9 months with the knee not returning to full health and complete mobility till at least 18-24 months.I think in many people's heads, they will be comparing the recovery of Carson Palmer last season to McNabb's situation but that is dangerous territory. Palmer has never been a mobile QB, and his knee injury while it limited him in 2006, it did not take away from him an intergral part of his repertoire.McNabb, like Daunte Culpepper has been a mobile QB and the recovery from this knee injury will severely limit what he can do on the field. We saw it when Cpep was rushed back last year, he really shouldn't have been out there as was painfully obvious but his football instincts take over and when the play breaks down, as a mobile QB, he will run the ball. McNabb will have to modify that part of his game if he is going to make a successful come back this year. But how does an 8 year NFL veteran not follow that innate instinct to run the ball, something he has done throughout his career. I don't think the Eagles will rush McNabb back like Miami did with Culpepper but a football player wants to play and McNabb will get out there first chance he gets. The pressure of a drafted QB won't help him ease himself back either. I hope he is fully recovered from his injury but I can't see how that is possible considering they type of game McNabb plays.

Culpepper's injury was more severe than McNabb's

Palmer's was just as severe as Culpepper's (multiple ligaments) but your missing the point. Full recovery from an ACL tear is 2 years and it's their style of play which will be effected by this recovery time.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

4) Philly has a nice schedule for QB’s, especially during playoffs.

I love McNabb, but I'd wager dollars to donuts he never sees those fantasy playoff games. That's why having him "drop" to you as a 5th rounder isn't necessarily as compelling as it sounds. He's clear value if he does....but you're still almost forced to draft another QB within 5 or so rounds to cover your ### in case he pops another gasket/nut/sacroiliac.His PPG are tough to ignore, clearly. He's like playing Russian roullette, though, with his health lately.

 

[chris1969]

That season ending injury in week 2 might effect your enthusiasm.

 

[trader jake]

Every single team that had McNabb was in first place in either scoring or wins last year in the many leagues I was invloved in. Then he got hurt once again.Not a single one of those teams won the title.

Exactly. If he's on your roster McNabb is a sell high type of player early in the season. Per game he's a stud but when the money is on the line in fantasy ball I don't like the odds that he will be playing.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

To those saying you have to spend another pick on a QB in rounds 8-10, what round are you guys generally waiting on to get your 2nd QB? If you had Peyton I could see waiting until the 12th or so and grabbing a longshot that you only plan on starting once like Leftwich. However, if you take a guy like Bulger or Palmer, how much longer are you planning to wait on taking your backup anyway?

I would imagine that in most drafts, nearly every team has 2 QBs rostered by the end of the 10th, which is all you need with Mcnabb this year with as late as some of these solid backups are going.

McNabb gets hurt. A lot. So again, saying he's been better than Manning is misleading.

I believe that's why he said when he plays. Don't think he could've made it any more clear than that

I'm all for McNabb, but I don't agree with some of this. For one, you claim McNabb has been better than Manning for 7 years. That's very misleading. First of all, 4 of those 7 years Manning was better than McNabb.

Care to point out another QB that's been better than Manning 3 of the last 7 years? How about one that's been better on a PPG basis over that span?Mcnabb screeaaaammmsss value this year.

 

[nygiants56]

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!

2) McNabb&Garcia were the #1 QB in 06’

3) Even if he gets injured he will give top 5 QB production.

4) Philly has a nice schedule for QB’s, especially during playoffs.

5) Minimal investment

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!

--------McNabb-------------------Manning

--------FBG Fantasy Points per Game

00’-----21.125------------------------22.187

01’-----19.375------------------------20.437

02’-----25.80--------------------------20.375

03’-----16.6----------------------------20.125

04’-----21.875-------------------------26.12

05’------21.333-------------------------18.375

06’* ----25.7----------------------------22.625

AVG 21.686--------------------------21.463

*based on 9.25 games

FBG PPG projection 07’---16.2375

So 07’ he hits career lows in PPG? I think he hits closer to his average. It looks like FBG projected him to play the full year but also projected him to have career lows. He has been at his peak the last three years, last year without TO, so I don’t get the huge decline.

2) McNabb&Garcia were the #1 QB in 06’

2006 totals*

Garcia & McNabb--------------------Manning

348.6------------------------------------347.2

*I am not counting week 17 for two reasons. 1) most of us are done playing FF. 2) Garcia didn’t play and anyone actually playing still would be able to find someone to put up better then 1.4 pts

3) Even if he gets injured he will give top 5 QB production.

AJ Feeley WK13-16 02’ Fantasy PPG 14.8*

*He barely played wk12. Philly had already clinched the division and a bye, and I think GB played before them, meaning they knew they had the #1 seed. So they played vanilla.

FBG projects Eli as #15 at 253.1 & FBG projects Favre as #16 at 249.4

So just say you get an average backup 250 pts over 16 games, which gives a PPG of 15.625

Here is your end of the year numbers using just McNabb’s average PPG, Feeleys Average PPG from 02’(13-16), avg backup ppg.

# of Games McNabb plays-----6----------8--------10-----------12

16GmTotalw/Feely------------278.1-----291.8---304.8-------319.4

16GmTotalw/AvgBackup-----286.35----298.4---309.75-----322.732

Using this system here is how he ranks using FBG 07 projections.

# of Games McNabb plays-----6----------8--------10-----------12

McNabb&Feeley---------------#6QB-----#4QB---#2QB-------#2QB

McNabb&AvBackup----------#5QB-----#4QB----#2QB-------#2QB

Unless you think he can’t play 6 games he should give top 5 production.

4) Philly has a nice schedule for QB’s, especially during playoffs.

FBG QB Strength of Schedule

5) Minimal Investment

For a late 4th early 5th you get value. Grab Feeley with your last pick and/or continue with your normal back up plan.

As long as McNabb plays 6 games you probably get the top 5 QB numbers. 10 Games you can get the #2QB. If he stays healthy you could have the #1 QB, and he has apparently a sweet playoff schedule. Draft a good back-up with a fine playoff schedule and you get to rent Manning like production for 6 to 12 weeks with the possibility of it being more. Why not?

you used 'if' 3 times, and 'when' twice in describing McNabb..for McNabb, its all about horseshoes and handgrenades. he could be this, he could be that.fact is,the guy is fragile, he carries too much risk that outweighs his value...

the dude has thrown for MORE than 21 tds in a season,just TWICE in his NFL career.

his lifetime comp % (58.2) is LESS that David Carr's ( 60.0), he's failed to play a FULL 16 game schedule in 4 of the past 5 seasons. He doesn't scramble anymore. he doesn't score many rushing tds. he doesn't have reputable , proven WR's. its funny how his best season came when he had the NFL's BEST Wr to throw to, Terrell Owens..Since then, McNabb has avg'd just 17 tds and roughly 2500 yards, and played in just 9.5 games per season.

he's CLEARY on the decline, and the Eagles know it,thats why they drafted Kolb with the 36th pick in this year's draft..

McNabb has officially entered the `perennial tease` category. every year, he 'wows' fantasy GM's. And every year, he gets hurt..

McNabb is gold, alright. FOOLS GOLD!!

 

[joffer]

my recollection was that he sat the last week of 2004 because the Eagles had clinched and had nothing to do with an injury. he's had 3 major injuries in 8 years: a broken leg (which he finished the game on), a sports hernia (1st game of 2005), and the torn ACL last year. sure you have to take a backup a round or two earlier for insurance if you take McNabb, but he's a PPG STUD, and to me he's just as likely to play all 16 games this year as he is not to.

 

[Chase Stuart]

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!

--------McNabb-------------------Manning

--------FBG Fantasy Points per Game

00’-----21.125------------------------22.187

01’-----19.375------------------------20.437

02’-----25.80--------------------------20.375

03’-----16.6----------------------------20.125

04’-----21.875-------------------------26.12

05’------21.333-------------------------18.375

06’* ----25.7----------------------------22.625

AVG 21.686--------------------------21.463

*based on 9.25 games

There are some serious methodological flaws in here. For starters, you're averaging nonlike quantities when taking each player's individual season FP/G total and trying to solve for their average FP/G over the seven year span. If a player scored 30 FP in one game in Year X and 160 FP in 16 games in Year X+1, it would be wrong to say that they averaged 20 FP/G over the past two years.McNabb has scored 1952.2 FPs over 92 games since 2000, for an average of 21.22 FP/G. Manning has scored 2404 FPs over 112 games since 2000, for an average of 21.46 FP/G. So Manning does have a slight edge there.

If you want to use partial games, that's acceptable, although I'm not convinced it's preferable. Either way, you would need to use partial games for both. Manning played (from 2006 to 2000) in 16, 14.1, 14.8, 15.8, 16, 15.8 and 16 games, for a total of 108.6 games and an average of 22.14 FP/adjusted game. McNabb played (from 2006 to 2000) in 9.1, 8.5, 13.8, 15.9, 9.9, 14.8 and 15.9 games, for a total of 88.0 games and an average of 22.19 FP/adjG.

FBG PPG projection 07’---16.2375

So 07’ he hits career lows in PPG? I think he hits closer to his average. It looks like FBG projected him to play the full year but also projected him to have career lows. He has been at his peak the last three years, last year without TO, so I don’t get the huge decline.

FBG did not project him to play the full year. It looks like we've got him at about 13.5 games played. He is not projected for career lows in Y/A; rather, he's projected at 7.3 Y/A, which is higher than his career average and his '05 production. He's projected at over 20 TDs, which he's only done once in the last five years. He is projected for a career high in INTs, but 13 isn't a very high number.The biggest reason he's not ranked as highly as usual is because he's projected for negligible rushing stats for the first time in his career. But that's got nothing to do with not recognizing his great past performance, and everything to do with his injury. FBG has him projected for just 1 rushing TD; if we gave him two more 10 yard rushing scores, he'd jump all the way up to sixth. So when noticing his arguably low rank, recognize the compression of the projected FPs for the QBs ahead of him.

2) McNabb&Garcia were the #1 QB in 06’

2006 totals*

Garcia & McNabb--------------------Manning

348.6------------------------------------347.2

*I am not counting week 17 for two reasons. 1) most of us are done playing FF. 2) Garcia didn’t play and anyone actually playing still would be able to find someone to put up better then 1.4 pts

Once again, methodological problems here. You can't just ignore Manning's week 17 because most of us are done playing FF. Manning had a pretty darn good week 17, ranking as the second best QB that week. A.J. Feeley ranked third, though, and the total of the trio of Eagles QBs beat the total of the Colts QBs (which, of course, was just Manning). Your numbers actually understate the differece, as the Phi TM QB beat the Ind TM QB by 16.9 points.

 

[CBower4545]

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!--------McNabb-------------------Manning--------FBG Fantasy Points per Game00’-----21.125------------------------22.18701’-----19.375------------------------20.43702’-----25.80--------------------------20.37503’-----16.6----------------------------20.12504’-----21.875-------------------------26.1205’------21.333-------------------------18.37506’* ----25.7----------------------------22.625AVG 21.686--------------------------21.463*based on 9.25 games

There are some serious methodological flaws in here. For starters, you're averaging nonlike quantities when taking each player's individual season FP/G total and trying to solve for their average FP/G over the seven year span. If a player scored 30 FP in one game in Year X and 160 FP in 16 games in Year X+1, it would be wrong to say that they averaged 20 FP/G over the past two years.McNabb has scored 1952.2 FPs over 92 games since 2000, for an average of 21.22 FP/G. Manning has scored 2404 FPs over 112 games since 2000, for an average of 21.46 FP/G. So Manning does have a slight edge there.If you want to use partial games, that's acceptable, although I'm not convinced it's preferable. Either way, you would need to use partial games for both. Manning played (from 2006 to 2000) in 16, 14.1, 14.8, 15.8, 16, 15.8 and 16 games, for a total of 108.6 games and an average of 22.14 FP/adjusted game. McNabb played (from 2006 to 2000) in 9.1, 8.5, 13.8, 15.9, 9.9, 14.8 and 15.9 games, for a total of 88.0 games and an average of 22.19 FP/adjG.

What site do you use for stats? I found myself checking gamelogs for McNabbs partial and other stuff.

 

[CBower4545]

FBG PPG projection 07’---16.2375So 07’ he hits career lows in PPG? I think he hits closer to his average. It looks like FBG projected him to play the full year but also projected him to have career lows. He has been at his peak the last three years, last year without TO, so I don’t get the huge decline.

FBG did not project him to play the full year. It looks like we've got him at about 13.5 games played. He is not projected for career lows in Y/A; rather, he's projected at 7.3 Y/A, which is higher than his career average and his '05 production. He's projected at over 20 TDs, which he's only done once in the last five years. He is projected for a career high in INTs, but 13 isn't a very high number.The biggest reason he's not ranked as highly as usual is because he's projected for negligible rushing stats for the first time in his career. But that's got nothing to do with not recognizing his great past performance, and everything to do with his injury. FBG has him projected for just 1 rushing TD; if we gave him two more 10 yard rushing scores, he'd jump all the way up to fifth. So when noticing his arguably low rank, recognize the compression of the projected FPs for the QBs ahead of him.

I was just looking at his 470 attempts and his total FF score. A possible full season starter attempt number, just not the eagles. At the team projection it does show the other 85 attempts from Feeley. One click away. Also I should have looked more closely at his entire projection instead of just the FF score.

 

[Chase Stuart]

1) When McNabb plays he has been a better FF player then Manning over the last 7 years!--------McNabb-------------------Manning--------FBG Fantasy Points per Game00’-----21.125------------------------22.18701’-----19.375------------------------20.43702’-----25.80--------------------------20.37503’-----16.6----------------------------20.12504’-----21.875-------------------------26.1205’------21.333-------------------------18.37506’* ----25.7----------------------------22.625AVG 21.686--------------------------21.463*based on 9.25 games

There are some serious methodological flaws in here. For starters, you're averaging nonlike quantities when taking each player's individual season FP/G total and trying to solve for their average FP/G over the seven year span. If a player scored 30 FP in one game in Year X and 160 FP in 16 games in Year X+1, it would be wrong to say that they averaged 20 FP/G over the past two years.McNabb has scored 1952.2 FPs over 92 games since 2000, for an average of 21.22 FP/G. Manning has scored 2404 FPs over 112 games since 2000, for an average of 21.46 FP/G. So Manning does have a slight edge there.If you want to use partial games, that's acceptable, although I'm not convinced it's preferable. Either way, you would need to use partial games for both. Manning played (from 2006 to 2000) in 16, 14.1, 14.8, 15.8, 16, 15.8 and 16 games, for a total of 108.6 games and an average of 22.14 FP/adjusted game. McNabb played (from 2006 to 2000) in 9.1, 8.5, 13.8, 15.9, 9.9, 14.8 and 15.9 games, for a total of 88.0 games and an average of 22.19 FP/adjG.

What site do you use for stats? I found myself checking gamelogs for McNabbs partial and other stuff.

I use pro-football-reference.com, although I've done the partial game work myself. A QB's partial game is calculated by dividing his total attempts by the team QB's total attempts.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

To those saying you have to spend another pick on a QB in rounds 8-10, what round are you guys generally waiting on to get your 2nd QB? If you had Peyton I could see waiting until the 12th or so and grabbing a longshot that you only plan on starting once like Leftwich. However, if you take a guy like Bulger or Palmer, how much longer are you planning to wait on taking your backup anyway?

I would imagine that in most drafts, nearly every team has 2 QBs rostered by the end of the 10th, which is all you need with Mcnabb this year with as late as some of these solid backups are going.

McNabb gets hurt. A lot. So again, saying he's been better than Manning is misleading.

I believe that's why he said when he plays. Don't think he could've made it any more clear than that

I'm all for McNabb, but I don't agree with some of this. For one, you claim McNabb has been better than Manning for 7 years. That's very misleading. First of all, 4 of those 7 years Manning was better than McNabb.

Care to point out another QB that's been better than Manning 3 of the last 7 years? How about one that's been better on a PPG basis over that span?Mcnabb screeaaaammmsss value this year.

Well, I can give you some QBs that finished in the top 10 more than once in the past 5 years if that helps. Personally, PPG doesn't mean much to me if I draft someone who's only going to play half a season. I'd rather have the guy that has 1 point less a game and actually finishes the season.

 

[Chase Stuart]

To those saying you have to spend another pick on a QB in rounds 8-10, what round are you guys generally waiting on to get your 2nd QB? If you had Peyton I could see waiting until the 12th or so and grabbing a longshot that you only plan on starting once like Leftwich. However, if you take a guy like Bulger or Palmer, how much longer are you planning to wait on taking your backup anyway?

I would imagine that in most drafts, nearly every team has 2 QBs rostered by the end of the 10th, which is all you need with Mcnabb this year with as late as some of these solid backups are going.

McNabb gets hurt. A lot. So again, saying he's been better than Manning is misleading.

I believe that's why he said when he plays. Don't think he could've made it any more clear than that

I'm all for McNabb, but I don't agree with some of this. For one, you claim McNabb has been better than Manning for 7 years. That's very misleading. First of all, 4 of those 7 years Manning was better than McNabb.

Care to point out another QB that's been better than Manning 3 of the last 7 years? How about one that's been better on a PPG basis over that span?Mcnabb screeaaaammmsss value this year.

Well, I can give you some QBs that finished in the top 10 more than once in the past 5 years if that helps. Personally, PPG doesn't mean much to me if I draft someone who's only going to play half a season. I'd rather have the guy that has 1 point less a game and actually finishes the season.

How many QBs are within 1 PPG of McNabb the past four years?

 

[Chase Stuart]

FP/adjG for QBs from 2003-2006 (only QBs that played at least 3 games in 2006 show):

23.65	Daunte Culpepper22.97	Peyton Manning22.14	Donovan McNabb20.91	Marc Bulger20.10	Tony Romo19.36	Michael Vick19.11	Carson Palmer18.55	Tom Brady18.52	Matt Hasselbeck18.29	Drew Brees18.19	Jeff Garcia18.13	Trent Green18.12	Jon Kitna18.07	Steve McNair17.97	Brett Favre17.91	Seneca Wallace17.72	Vince Young17.57	Jake Plummer17.56	Aaron Brooks17.24	Kurt Warner16.93	Jay Cutler16.71	Ben Roethlisberger16.71	David Garrard16.64	Jake Delhomme16.52	Damon Huard16.48	Byron Leftwich16.42	Matt Leinart16.05	Philip Rivers15.71	Jason Campbell15.70	Chad Pennington15.60	Rex Grossman15.57	Brad Johnson15.31	Eli Manning14.91	Drew Bledsoe14.56	David Carr14.50	Charlie Frye14.38	Mark Brunell14.30	Joey Harrington13.98	J.P. Losman12.55	Bruce Gradkowski11.39	Alex Smith9.18	Andrew Walter

 

[faulkfan]

Every single team that had McNabb was in first place in either scoring or wins last year in the many leagues I was invloved in. Then he got hurt once again.

Not a single one of those teams won the title.

I did. I had Vick and J. Campbell as backups in my keeper league and used Campbell most of the time. In fact I started Campbell in the Super Bowl and won, whereas if I had used Vick I would have lost.

 

[SSOG]

his lifetime comp % (58.2) is LESS that David Carr's ( 60.0)

Comp% is a horrible statistic. It rewards QBs who throw nothing but 5-yard dumpoffs. I'd rather have a QB that completed 50% of his passes for 20 yards each than a QB that completed 70% of his passes for 5 yards each.Use YPA. It takes Comp% and adjusts it for the length of each throw. McNabb finished the last three seasons with a YPA of 8.4, 7.0, and 8.3. That's studly.

Every single team that had McNabb was in first place in either scoring or wins last year in the many leagues I was invloved in. Then he got hurt once again.

Not a single one of those teams won the title.

I did. I had Vick and J. Campbell as backups in my keeper league and used Campbell most of the time. In fact I started Campbell in the Super Bowl and won, whereas if I had used Vick I would have lost.

The McNabb owner would have won in my league, too, if he hadn't run into MJD and SJax in the championship (average of 212 yards and 2 TDs... EACH).Edit: despite owning Tomlinson, he wouldn't have even made the playoffs if McNabb hadn't single-handedly kept his team afloat during the first 5 weeks.