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9-18-07 Urgent - Will You Help Make The Shark Pool Better? (1 Viewer)

Joe Bryant

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Hey Guys,

Every year at this time, I see posts saying the Shark Pool is more cluttered with trolls or arguing or who do I start threads than ever. I'm not sure if that's true or not. But I am sure there is a lot of pissing in the Shark Pool.

And I know many of you hate it.

As do I.

There are three options:

1. Do nothing and live it.

2. Complain about it and live with it.

3. Help us do something about it and make the SP a better forum.

The board is more popular than ever. If you see that little button at the bottom of the pages, it's a bigboard.com ranking of the forum. If you look at the ranking of how boards are sorted based on posts per week, we're one of the top 100 message boards in the world. And the biggest board covering NFL.

But with all those posts, means there are some that don't belong here.

Enough that our mods have trouble keeping up and seeing every post.

But there's a super simple answer. There is a gray button at the bottom left of every post that says "REPORT". When you click it, a link to that post is sent to all the moderators. If you'll add a couple of words about what is wrong with the post, our mods can jump right to it.

It takes 5 seconds to ban a tool. It takes 5 seconds to move a who do I start thread to the Assistant Coach forum. It's incredibly easy and effective.

But it only works if you let us know what you're seeing that doesn't belong.

The alternative is do nothing and we have to live with the piss in the pool. Will you help us not have to do that?

Thanks.

J

 
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These boards have the best FF information out there, and I love reading others opinions - makes me that much better come draft day. I wouldn't be nearly as good in my leagues without reading this info. While you'll always get some trash in the pool, the shark pool is better than ever IMO. :thumbup:

 
Here is some of what I see:

These boards are growing at a tremendous rate, and there are a ton of new people. With that comes the new people issues, such as some coming from other places like yahoo for example, where you can post any garbage you want on their message boards. They don't know what a good board is about until they are here for a while and see for themselves. Some act like tools right off the bat, but in general most chill out once they find out it is not tolerated here. Also, new people don't realize that there is a specific place to post their roster questions (the Assistant Coaches forum). They also do not use the search function right away. That is always going to happen with new people until they know better.

Another problem is in threads such as the Andre Johnson thread. There was a real tool in there who was reported, but that is not the only problem in that thread. With all due respect to those who have posted in there, there is too much useless babble in there. It is harmless, but at the same time, it is frustrating to go through 5 pages looking for info and maybe see a few posts that have some relevant information.

There are always going to be roster specific threads. But the WDIS posts within threads about players are really out of hand. Again, with all due respect, we all have our own teams and don't care about yours. Example, looking through a McNabb thread, I don't think anyone wants to know about your backup QB on your team. It would be nice if there was some respectful way to tell people that we don't care about their teams, without insulting them or flaming. These posts really clutter up threads in my opinion.

I don't think the boards are all that bad, maybe some minor things. The tools should be reported immediately. The other stuff will happen with a board this size. Everyone should remember that new members don't always know the proper way to post or act on this board because a lot of boards let you post any garbage you want. I don't think insulting the new members helps anything.

This message board is awesome. Tell me another place where any player with any kind of news is discussed in a professional manner. There are some excellent posters here. I really don't think any other place can compare to the collective knowledge of the posters that we have here.

Just my 2 cents.

 
1. Most of the posts that are toolish typically come form 1 of 2 camps. The 1st are those that have players that didn't perform. Lee Evans owners for example are feeling pretty lonely right now as are Steven Jackson owners so they lash out in this forum. The 2nd camp are from a more NFL Fan perspective and those are folks that saw their beloved team lose over the weekend. Usually puts them in a pissy mood.

2. Alcohol...a lot of the board that gets whiny and toolish on Sunday is sitting there in front of their TVs drinking away. They tend to write things they probably later forget or wish they hadn't. Not justifying it but I bet 50% of the board is at least a little tipsy on Sunday...and probably quite a bit during the week as well.

3. People are doing great things in here. Laughing Boy decided to take my idea on a weekly exploit/avoid and expand it to WR. I think it's great and it serving as an inspiration for others to find their niche and share it with the group. We are getting between 3,000-6,500 hits a week on the RB and QB exploit/avoid threads and we haven't had 1 incident yet where some tool has come in and tried to hijack the thread...the Shark Pool is also doing a great job of not turning it into a WDIS thread. I actually want to give kudos to the SP, because the posters are what drives those threads.

4. Joe please consider shutting down the FFA. I know that might not seem like a good idea but you could create a couple of more forums and than not have to deal with the FFA anymore. I think you should really open up a College Football forum. We are looking at these players in dynasty leagues almost to the point they are leaving high school now and maybe a dedicated college football forum is what we need. It's the breeding ground for the NFL...give it a forum! People don't want to go into the FFA including some of your staff because of the way people post on each other within that forum. It's sort of the "other side of the tracks." We are missing out on some great College Football banter because of it. At least consider a dedicated College Football forum.

The only other forum you would need is maybe a political/philosophy type forum but really who cares about politics on a football site? This is for football nuts like myself, why have a forum where people can start taking poshots at each other? If it's OK to do it than just uncensor the FFA but clamp down on the SHark Pool...I don't think you will actually do that but the FFA has become a way for posters to rip on each other and it didn't used to be that way.

Good Luck!

 
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As a lurker/sometime poster, it's nice to see some cracking down. I was just thinking to myself yesterday that it seemed to have gotten bad in here. And I heartily agree on a college football forum.

 
I try not to mess around in here very much since it isn't the place but sometimes I wish those who want to argue their points do them in the appropriate thread. If I get the Seahawks game where I live I will report all the goings-on and answer questions from people not able to see the game about targets and whether an IDP is on the field. Not a problem at all. But then you have the guy that follows me to every thread I post in looking to pick a fight with me because I'm a Hawks fan. That's bs. The game threads can have light commentary and comments but those are supposed to be used by this forum as a resource and they often are cluttered with side arguments about Deion Branch or whomever (I’ve done this myself btw). I don't post in here very much any more but I still do read a lot and most of the information is very good. Too many people get way too sensitive about their fantasy RB but that's part of the fun I guess. Those looking for arguments, especially in the game threads are the biggest idiots IMO. Most of the other threads can and are moderated pretty well and heated debates on a specific topic can be a good read. Anyway the Shark Pool is as good or as bad as you want it to be. Once new posters settle in or get booted everything goes back to the status quo which is solid football information. As for MOPs comment:

Joe please consider shutting down the FFA.
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Um, not a good idea. A lot of talent is there who actually contribute to this forum and also provide a nice side bar for those really wrapped around the football axle guys to have a few laughs or bone up on their politics. FFA probably helps this forum way more than it hurts it.
 
I will add a few thoughts of mine

1) Completely disagree about shutting down FFA - it's nice for a place for all the non-football stuff and some of the info on there has been very helpful to the community

2) Agree completely about a dedicated College Football Forum

3) NEW members should IMMEDIATELY get sent an email or message about how the boards are supposed to work; Where to ask WDIS questions; trade questions; and what the different forums are for.

4) I think you should send warning letters to the tools, BUT tell them it's not going to be a login ban, but an IP ban - too many just create a new alias and start over with the crap.

5) Hopefully the added emphasis on the report function will have some effect; and hopefully the mods have the time or take the time to send new posters a note about where and why their post was moved - educate and their won't be as many problems.

Lastly, I know Joe & David don't want to hear the old suggestion about subscription versus non subscription boards, but please investigate whether it would be possible to have that feature for one forum - if things don't improve

 
After a user signs up they gotta wait a month or a week or whatever, or have x number of log-ins before they can post. Gives people a chance to read the boards for a bit and see how things run. Won't stop some folks from posting nonsense, but it'll keep newer members from potentially stepping on their crank. Just a thought.

 
the worst past of the SP for me is the panic threads and the over-reactions. makes common sense responses practically impossible when you ask for an injury update on, say, Cedric Benson and the first 11 responses are people yelling that you should waive him or that you never should have drafted him because he sucks and week 1 is proof, etc.

it would be OK if the next 11 people offered reasoned responses and kinda stomped down the worthless posts... but that doesn't happen. the next 11 are 10 more worthless posts and 1 guy with some info.

it's unbearable.

 
Flyin Pigs said:
After a user signs up they gotta wait a month or a week or whatever, or have x number of log-ins before they can post. Gives people a chance to read the boards for a bit and see how things run. Won't stop some folks from posting nonsense, but it'll keep newer members from potentially stepping on their crank. Just a thought.
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I like this idea and have seen other boards go this route.
 
We know about the stick, but how about a carrot?

In my experience positve reinforcement seems to work better than punishment.

Not sure how to apply here though.

How about a button for "Reported.... As Post of the Day!"

 
Hey Guys.

Sorry, as I see my title is misleading. This isn't a thread about whether the SP is better or worse. That was a just a lead in to my point of asking you guys to please use the report function.

No forums are going to be added or change. So please save yourself the typing there.

Just please use the report function.

J

 
SP is always kinda rough during the regular season.

Will do my part not to be a tool and report the tools.

start with eom & wes welker though, they have to go

 
Joe Bryant said:
The board is more popular than ever. If you see that little button at the bottom of the pages, it's a bigboard.com ranking of the forum. If you look at the ranking of how boards are sorted based on posts per week, we're one of the top 100 message boards in the world. And the biggest board covering NFL.But with all those posts, means there are some that don't belong here.Enough that our mods have trouble keeping up and seeing every post. But there's a super simple answer. There is a gray button at the bottom left of every post that says "REPORT". When you click it, a link to that post is sent to all the moderators. If you'll add a couple of words about what is wrong with the post, our mods can jump right to it.
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On a site further up the bigboard rankings than this one, a similar system has been in user there for years. I'd guess mods there read maybe 10-20% of the posts, tops, yet it's quite a civil place. Members alert mods to stuff that maybe ought to go; mods can make detached decisions about the reports instead of actively cruising the boards looking for trouble. It works well, puts more control in the hands of members, and actually makes friendlier boards. Sites that grow large are better off when members alert mods to problems, rather than keeping the old model of mods reading all the threads. Most of the pissing I've seen on this board (and the other one come to think of it) in the last year is race-related. Obviously it's a topic that'll keep being discussed because from time to time because it pertains to football, but I've never seen race injected into so many threads not about race as I have the last year. Some people have some deep-seated axes to grind, and no amount of posting about it gets it out of their system., and it certainly has aggravated far too many threads in the past year. Just my 2 cents.
 
fatness said:
Joe Bryant said:
The board is more popular than ever. If you see that little button at the bottom of the pages, it's a bigboard.com ranking of the forum. If you look at the ranking of how boards are sorted based on posts per week, we're one of the top 100 message boards in the world. And the biggest board covering NFL.But with all those posts, means there are some that don't belong here.Enough that our mods have trouble keeping up and seeing every post. But there's a super simple answer. There is a gray button at the bottom left of every post that says "REPORT". When you click it, a link to that post is sent to all the moderators. If you'll add a couple of words about what is wrong with the post, our mods can jump right to it.
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On a site further up the bigboard rankings than this one, a similar system has been in user there for years. I'd guess mods there read maybe 10-20% of the posts, tops, yet it's quite a civil place. Members alert mods to stuff that maybe ought to go; mods can make detached decisions about the reports instead of actively cruising the boards looking for trouble. It works well, puts more control in the hands of members, and actually makes friendlier boards. Sites that grow large are better off when members alert mods to problems, rather than keeping the old model of mods reading all the threads. Most of the pissing I've seen on this board (and the other one come to think of it) in the last year is race-related. Obviously it's a topic that'll keep being discussed because from time to time because it pertains to football, but I've never seen race injected into so many threads not about race as I have the last year. Some people have some deep-seated axes to grind, and no amount of posting about it gets it out of their system., and it certainly has aggravated far too many threads in the past year. Just my 2 cents.
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Thanks fatness.I think this "report" thing will work because most everyone here has a vested interest in the board being better. With their help, we really can make it better.J
 
I think the shark pool is regulated pretty well and would be hard to improve much. I personally get annoyed when you get a couple of people bantering back and forth and including the entire conversation quoted in the post. As far as getting a topic to just stick with the news/information, I thought that is what the newsbreakers tab is for? That statement may not be 100% true because the newsbreakers is usually from mediasources but I guess I feel if you just want the news that is where you should look. The idea in the forums in my mind is to include discussions and opinions and not just facts. Using a report function for someone out of control is a great idea but I don't see a lot of need for change.

 
Anthony Borbely said:
Here is some of what I see:These boards are growing at a tremendous rate, and there are a ton of new people. With that comes the new people issues, such as some coming from other places like yahoo for example, where you can post any garbage you want on their message boards. They don't know what a good board is about until they are here for a while and see for themselves. Some act like tools right off the bat, but in general most chill out once they find out it is not tolerated here. Also, new people don't realize that there is a specific place to post their roster questions (the Assistant Coaches forum). They also do not use the search function right away. That is always going to happen with new people until they know better. Another problem is in threads such as the Andre Johnson thread. There was a real tool in there who was reported, but that is not the only problem in that thread. With all due respect to those who have posted in there, there is too much useless babble in there. It is harmless, but at the same time, it is frustrating to go through 5 pages looking for info and maybe see a few posts that have some relevant information. There are always going to be roster specific threads. But the WDIS posts within threads about players are really out of hand. Again, with all due respect, we all have our own teams and don't care about yours. Example, looking through a McNabb thread, I don't think anyone wants to know about your backup QB on your team. It would be nice if there was some respectful way to tell people that we don't care about their teams, without insulting them or flaming. These posts really clutter up threads in my opinion.I don't think the boards are all that bad, maybe some minor things. The tools should be reported immediately. The other stuff will happen with a board this size. Everyone should remember that new members don't always know the proper way to post or act on this board because a lot of boards let you post any garbage you want. I don't think insulting the new members helps anything. This message board is awesome. Tell me another place where any player with any kind of news is discussed in a professional manner. There are some excellent posters here. I really don't think any other place can compare to the collective knowledge of the posters that we have here. Just my 2 cents.
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I guess I was just wondering what is considered relevant information? I mean unless people are listing statistics or they have some kind of inside information like "I was at the GB game and overheard Driver say there was no way he was going to be able to go next week" isn't alot of it somebody's opinion?I mean one of my favorite thread's each week is MOP's RB thread, I love it but it's his opinions and that's fine to me but what if he wasn't as known as he is here and he started 200 word opinion posts? Would that be looked at as trash? I always try to add something beneficial to a thread, it may be a devils advocate point of view occasionally but I am always polite and when I feel strongly about a position, I add a comment and try to defend it, whether everyone agrees with it or not I cannot foresee. I just think that people should be alittle more understanding and relaxed when starting to criticizing others posts because 75% of what is here is somebody's opinion the rest are statistics!!
 
Flyin Pigs said:
After a user signs up they gotta wait a month or a week or whatever, or have x number of log-ins before they can post. Gives people a chance to read the boards for a bit and see how things run. Won't stop some folks from posting nonsense, but it'll keep newer members from potentially stepping on their crank. Just a thought.
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I agree with this whole heartedly, I was on the site for a year before I started posting because I would get into the forum at work but couldn't post at work. Believe me as a 30 something who doesn't participate in 20 different forums or live in the blogisphere I had a very limited knowledge of forum etiquette. I mean polite was always good but I really didn't know that all caps was considered shouting ect..... I think this may be where some of the issues come into play and just by having that time barrier there, people who are truly interested and here for the right reasons will be patient and learn the rules of the forums. Those who whose intent was to cause trouble will not be patient and quickly lose interest!!
 
Thanks for making something available. This place...board...forum...between February to June is a must read...every day...several times a day. Lots of very close, intelligent folks with plenty of good things to share and say. Topics are even debated in an educated manner.

Once the fall hits and the snow birds arrive for FF season it has nearly gotten or has arrived at a point that it...the SP... is not worth visiting. It is just not worth the hassle. Well, I can't say that about the hardcore, IDP thread but the SP just gets out of hand.

Glad to see you taking a proactive step to clean it up. Thank you.

 
- a good thought and a fantastic start.

- would be nice to have more ***OFFICIAL*** threads on players/teams/situations so that people don't constantly start several new threads on the same topic... and perhaps the redundant threads can be deleted or merged into the official thread.

- at some point, it would be nice to vote up/down individual posts within a thread... don't know if bigboards has that functionality.

 
With an eye on maintaining the fragile ecological balance, I have released ten baby sharks into the Shark Pool, every one of them breeders. It is my fervent hope that this stagnant pool will once again be teeming with life within a year.

Please obey the "catch and release" policy until these specimens have reached maturity. Thank you.

:wall:

 
Thanks to you guys that have been helping with the reporting. It's been much better in the last day keeping off topic threads out of the SP and removing a few posters that couldn't fit into what we are trying to do here. Thanks.

J

 
I don't post on this board that much, but I love to read it.

Not sure how easy this is to implement, because it would require someone to change the interface of the board, and I don't know how easy the setup is. However, a thread/post rating system +/- and then on the comments would be great. Sites like digg, youtube, etc..etc.. to filter out the garbage threads and posts.

Let the majority of the users vote on what's worth reading and what's not.

People will still piss in the pool, I just won't have to swim in it.

Just my 2 cents.

 
There are MANY borderline thread that mix personal FFL team management with NFL news. There is some gray area to deal with. I think people post here because this board is more active and viewed more than the Assistant Coach forum. I think if we wanted to be enforcers you can take about one-third of the topics started in the SP and move them to the AC forum.

Posts that ask about "starting X over Y" and "should I get X off of waivers" and "FFL drafting strategies" still abound, you can ususally find four or five of these at the top of the active thread board in the SP at any given time.

If the SP is strictly for NFL news and the AC forum is strictly for FFL talk, then lets really CRACK THAT WHIP!

:shock:

 
My suggestion is to give new members to the board read-only access for a period of tiem...that way they get an idea of how the board works and can then start contributing appropriately.

 
Gravity said:
My suggestion is to give new members to the board read-only access for a period of tiem...that way they get an idea of how the board works and can then start contributing appropriately.
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Not sure that'll work. I've been here for years and I still have trouble contributing appropriately.
 
I think having posters encouraged to use the report function is a step in the right direction. I honestly have used it once in all my time here.

The one thing that we all have to keep in mind is that alot of us are passionate about our NFL teams and when someone comes in an Official Game Thread and says, "The Colts stink," and then offers nothing else, you end up with 5-7 posts directed at that poster and nothing relevant being posted about the game. That poster needs to be axed and axed for good, while maybe some of the responders need to be given a tad bit of slack for allowing themselves to be baited.

I find it amazing the people that post in threads that they have no interest in, but do it just for the attention. An example are Nascar threads that bring out a boatload of fools who bring nothing to the table but insults.

I know it is not popular, but I say permaban people--regardless if they paid or not and do something about the registration policy to keep them from coming back under a new name.

(Now if we want to talk about the FFA, I would suggest a different set of standards :goodposting: )

 
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I missed this until now. Hope this cleans things up a bit. Two quick thoughts:

1. 15 posts calling someone on bad posting etiquette is typically even more annoying than the original post. It will be really nice if more people just use the report button.

2. I know I've seen someone suggest it before, but is there any way to set the quote feature so it only copies the most recent thing written instead of every previous quote. Man it takes up a lot of space when people get into their little shark pool pissing matches. I know other boards I'm on using similar software don't do it this way.

 
FFdork said:
2. I know I've seen someone suggest it before, but is there any way to set the quote feature so it only copies the most recent thing written instead of every previous quote. Man it takes up a lot of space when people get into their little shark pool pissing matches. I know other boards I'm on using similar software don't do it this way.
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ScottNorwood said:
higgins said:
ScottNorwood said:
Gravity said:
My suggestion is to give new members to the board read-only access for a period of tiem...that way they get an idea of how the board works and can then start contributing appropriately.
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Not sure that'll work. I've been here for years and I still have trouble contributing appropriately.
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Confirmed.
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Is this one of those posts we're supposed to report?
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:mellow: YesNo
 
Joe Bryant said:
Hey Guys.Sorry, as I see my title is misleading. This isn't a thread about whether the SP is better or worse. That was a just a lead in to my point of asking you guys to please use the report function.No forums are going to be added or change. So please save yourself the typing there.Just please use the report function.J
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Will do. You know... Craigslist has the "flagged for removal" function that the readers flag ...and if they get X amount of them, the post is removed. Not sure if the software you use has that. Problem with C'List ...some topics just always get flagged, no matter how constructive. Perhaps, vets with 1,000 postings + could be "sub-moderators"... allowed to flag, move WDIS, remind to keep on topic etc... again pending the software limitations, but indeed I think you've got some guys here that want what's best.This is easily the best, most knowledgeable bulletin board out there. I've subscribed to a number of services, and would be shame to see a few bad apples ruin it.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
1. Most of the posts that are toolish typically come form 1 of 2 camps. The 1st are those that have players that didn't perform. Lee Evans owners for example are feeling pretty lonely right now as are Steven Jackson owners so they lash out in this forum. The 2nd camp are from a more NFL Fan perspective and those are folks that saw their beloved team lose over the weekend. Usually puts them in a pissy mood.

2. Alcohol...a lot of the board that gets whiny and toolish on Sunday is sitting there in front of their TVs drinking away. They tend to write things they probably later forget or wish they hadn't. Not justifying it but I bet 50% of the board is at least a little tipsy on Sunday...and probably quite a bit during the week as well.

3. People are doing great things in here. Laughing Boy decided to take my idea on a weekly exploit/avoid and expand it to WR. I think it's great and it serving as an inspiration for others to find their niche and share it with the group. We are getting between 3,000-6,500 hits a week on the RB and QB exploit/avoid threads and we haven't had 1 incident yet where some tool has come in and tried to hijack the thread...the Shark Pool is also doing a great job of not turning it into a WDIS thread. I actually want to give kudos to the SP, because the posters are what drives those threads.

4. Joe please consider shutting down the FFA. I know that might not seem like a good idea but you could create a couple of more forums and than not have to deal with the FFA anymore. I think you should really open up a College Football forum. We are looking at these players in dynasty leagues almost to the point they are leaving high school now and maybe a dedicated college football forum is what we need. It's the breeding ground for the NFL...give it a forum! People don't want to go into the FFA including some of your staff because of the way people post on each other within that forum. It's sort of the "other side of the tracks." We are missing out on some great College Football banter because of it. At least consider a dedicated College Football forum.

The only other forum you would need is maybe a political/philosophy type forum but really who cares about politics on a football site? This is for football nuts like myself, why have a forum where people can start taking poshots at each other? If it's OK to do it than just uncensor the FFA but clamp down on the SHark Pool...I don't think you will actually do that but the FFA has become a way for posters to rip on each other and it didn't used to be that way.

Good Luck!
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I - 2nd a College Forum ... Hell , we have a Baseball forum but no College Football forum on FOOTBALLGUYS.
 
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Wu-banger said:
Ministry of Pain said:
1. Most of the posts that are toolish typically come form 1 of 2 camps. The 1st are those that have players that didn't perform. Lee Evans owners for example are feeling pretty lonely right now as are Steven Jackson owners so they lash out in this forum. The 2nd camp are from a more NFL Fan perspective and those are folks that saw their beloved team lose over the weekend. Usually puts them in a pissy mood.

2. Alcohol...a lot of the board that gets whiny and toolish on Sunday is sitting there in front of their TVs drinking away. They tend to write things they probably later forget or wish they hadn't. Not justifying it but I bet 50% of the board is at least a little tipsy on Sunday...and probably quite a bit during the week as well.

3. People are doing great things in here. Laughing Boy decided to take my idea on a weekly exploit/avoid and expand it to WR. I think it's great and it serving as an inspiration for others to find their niche and share it with the group. We are getting between 3,000-6,500 hits a week on the RB and QB exploit/avoid threads and we haven't had 1 incident yet where some tool has come in and tried to hijack the thread...the Shark Pool is also doing a great job of not turning it into a WDIS thread. I actually want to give kudos to the SP, because the posters are what drives those threads.

4. Joe please consider shutting down the FFA. I know that might not seem like a good idea but you could create a couple of more forums and than not have to deal with the FFA anymore. I think you should really open up a College Football forum. We are looking at these players in dynasty leagues almost to the point they are leaving high school now and maybe a dedicated college football forum is what we need. It's the breeding ground for the NFL...give it a forum! People don't want to go into the FFA including some of your staff because of the way people post on each other within that forum. It's sort of the "other side of the tracks." We are missing out on some great College Football banter because of it. At least consider a dedicated College Football forum.

The only other forum you would need is maybe a political/philosophy type forum but really who cares about politics on a football site? This is for football nuts like myself, why have a forum where people can start taking poshots at each other? If it's OK to do it than just uncensor the FFA but clamp down on the SHark Pool...I don't think you will actually do that but the FFA has become a way for posters to rip on each other and it didn't used to be that way.

Good Luck!
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I - 2nd a College Forum ... Hell , we have a Baseball forum but no College Football forum on FOOTBALLGUYS.
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Have you seen the FFA on Saturday mornings?
 
This biggest problem is not when a "tool" posts a WDIS post or acts like a tool. The problem is when the 25 or so self-appointed board cops feel they have to correct each and everything they see instead of ignoring it and minding their own business. That's when the real clutter and pissing begins.

 
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