9-year-old girl accidentally kills instructor with uzi (1 Viewer)

[El Floppo]

Serious question, Otis: if the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and if you were in charge of all gun laws, what would you impose?

At a minimum? Let's use logic and reason for 3 minutes here, it shouldn't be that hard.

1. New law: Children can't play with firearms. There's little upside to a nine-year old human being firing deadly weapons. The downside is pretty obvious.
2. Another new law: let's ban people-killing machines. Crazy right? Well hold on a minute. Billy Bob wants to go buck hunting with his 15-year-old son on the weekend? Cool. Things like hunting rifles are fair game, and they have a legitimate design purpose beyond killing people, and they don't seem to come up all that often in these mass murders or tragic kid accidents. There's your "social underpinnings." You guys can still sit around the campfire with your tobaccer and wax poetic about your old hunting days with Pa. But then we don't have kids with assault rifles and uzis--weapons that are designed specifically for the efficient mass killing of other human beings--either barging into high schools and taking out half their Earth Science class, or shooting themselves at gun shows. No, that doesn't mean this is going to become Nazi Germany overnight. But it does mean that we're going to make a decision and enact a policy that values human life and the prevention of tragedy over nostalgia.

There would be my first day in Office. Pretty sure I could actually knock that out in the morning, and then kick off early for happy hour.

This really isn't that hard. But people will piss and moan about the above, for one reason or another.

See here's your problem. You bring all this stupid hate of people you have never been around to it. I don't know anyone who goes hunting with anything other than a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't know anyone who would say a 9 yr old should be handling an Uzi. Even those tobaccer spitting people you so badly want to denigrate. It isn't your traditional hunters and their children that are problem. It's people who don't have that tradition or understanding of guns. A gun is a tool. I would let a 9 year old child use a hammer. I wouldn't let them use a compressor driven nail gun.

Right. My point is there is no good reason for anyone to own a weapon designed for and capable of the quick and efficient slaughter of people. In much the same way there is absolutely no good reason to own a pet pitbull, African lion, or Tyrannosaurus Rex.

I want a T-Rex.

pretty sure that's provided for in the 3rd amendment.

 

[bagger]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

are you stating that all risk is equal?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

Name one thing we allow our kids to participate in that is stupid AND needless.

 

[Fat Nick]

So shooting an Uzi is on par with jumping in a lake. Got it.

Not what I said. To revisit your original question, which I think has gotten lost...

I don't understand the point of having a 9yo girl fire an Uzi. Do the parents think that it will make her popular with her friends? Just to say that she did it? I cannot come up with a single good reason.

Parents should be charged with child endangerment, recklessness, and/or negligence IMO.

...and my response...The REASON people shoot Uzi's is the same as the REASON why people jump off cliffs, etc. Thrill seeking. Be sure to note the capitalized words. I've never said it was "on-par," or the same thing. You're the one who brought up cliff diving. I simply said that people do both as forms of risk taking. You agreed with me (sort of) in post 126. I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point.

 

[BigJohn]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

Name one thing we allow our kids to participate in that is stupid AND needless.

Go Karts.

 

[bagger]

So shooting an Uzi is on par with jumping in a lake. Got it.

Not what I said. To revisit your original question, which I think has gotten lost...

I don't understand the point of having a 9yo girl fire an Uzi. Do the parents think that it will make her popular with her friends? Just to say that she did it? I cannot come up with a single good reason.

Parents should be charged with child endangerment, recklessness, and/or negligence IMO.

...and my response...The REASON people shoot Uzi's is the same as the REASON why people jump off cliffs, etc. Thrill seeking. Be sure to note the capitalized words. I've never said it was "on-par," or the same thing. You're the one who brought up cliff diving. I simply said that people do both as forms of risk taking. You agreed with me (sort of) in post 126. I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point.

thise are reasons why adults do things.9 year olds aren't looking to be thrill seekers.

 

[shader]

Jesus

I don't care what any of you gun-loving hillbillies say, if you're putting an uzi in your NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER's hands, you're the dumbest ####### on the planet.

Instructor dead, and this poor girl will be a complete mess because the people who are supposed to take care of her in life allowed her to be put in this position.

Between crap like this and the pitbull thread, I just can't understand why people take such stupid, needless risks. So, so, so stupid.

But Otis, you're a liberal northern city wuss, you don't understand that it's part of our CULTURE

:facepalm:

It's disgusting and sickening. I especially identify because I have a 9 year old daughter. I don't know what planet you live on in which you think you need to have your daughter trained to shoot an uzi at 9 years old, but it's sickening. Good job parents. You basically ruined her life.

 

[Sammy3469]

Jesus

I don't care what any of you gun-loving hillbillies say, if you're putting an uzi in your NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER's hands, you're the dumbest ####### on the planet.

Instructor dead, and this poor girl will be a complete mess because the people who are supposed to take care of her in life allowed her to be put in this position.

Between crap like this and the pitbull thread, I just can't understand why people take such stupid, needless risks. So, so, so stupid.

But Otis, you're a liberal northern city wuss, you don't understand that it's part of our CULTURE

:facepalm:

It's disgusting and sickening. I especially identify because I have a 9 year old daughter. I don't know what planet you live on in which you think you need to have your daughter trained to shoot an uzi at 9 years old, but it's sickening. Good job parents. You basically ruined her life.

If you watch the video, it's not "training", it's just pure gun-nuttery of wanting their 9-year old to shoot something.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Well it lived up to its name....Last Stop Outdoor Shooting Range

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

Name one thing we allow our kids to participate in that is stupid AND needless.

Go Karts.

I would agree only because karting could lead to something much worse like following NASCAR.

 

[Otis]

Serious question, Otis: if the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and if you were in charge of all gun laws, what would you impose?

At a minimum? Let's use logic and reason for 3 minutes here, it shouldn't be that hard.

1. New law: Children can't play with firearms. There's little upside to a nine-year old human being firing deadly weapons. The downside is pretty obvious.
2. Another new law: let's ban people-killing machines. Crazy right? Well hold on a minute. Billy Bob wants to go buck hunting with his 15-year-old son on the weekend? Cool. Things like hunting rifles are fair game, and they have a legitimate design purpose beyond killing people, and they don't seem to come up all that often in these mass murders or tragic kid accidents. There's your "social underpinnings." You guys can still sit around the campfire with your tobaccer and wax poetic about your old hunting days with Pa. But then we don't have kids with assault rifles and uzis--weapons that are designed specifically for the efficient mass killing of other human beings--either barging into high schools and taking out half their Earth Science class, or shooting themselves at gun shows. No, that doesn't mean this is going to become Nazi Germany overnight. But it does mean that we're going to make a decision and enact a policy that values human life and the prevention of tragedy over nostalgia.

There would be my first day in Office. Pretty sure I could actually knock that out in the morning, and then kick off early for happy hour.

This really isn't that hard. But people will piss and moan about the above, for one reason or another.

See here's your problem. You bring all this stupid hate of people you have never been around to it. I don't know anyone who goes hunting with anything other than a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't know anyone who would say a 9 yr old should be handling an Uzi. Even those tobaccer spitting people you so badly want to denigrate. It isn't your traditional hunters and their children that are problem. It's people who don't have that tradition or understanding of guns. A gun is a tool. I would let a 9 year old child use a hammer. I wouldn't let them use a compressor driven nail gun.

Right. My point is there is no good reason for anyone to own a weapon designed for and capable of the quick and efficient slaughter of people. In much the same way there is absolutely no good reason to own a pet pitbull, African lion, or Tyrannosaurus Rex.

I want a T-Rex.

pretty sure that's provided for in the 3rd amendment.

Right to bear short arms.

 

[drummer]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

Name one thing we allow our kids to participate in that is stupid AND needless.

Watching American Horror Story?

 

[Fat Nick]

So shooting an Uzi is on par with jumping in a lake. Got it.

Not what I said. To revisit your original question, which I think has gotten lost...

I don't understand the point of having a 9yo girl fire an Uzi. Do the parents think that it will make her popular with her friends? Just to say that she did it? I cannot come up with a single good reason.

Parents should be charged with child endangerment, recklessness, and/or negligence IMO.

...and my response...The REASON people shoot Uzi's is the same as the REASON why people jump off cliffs, etc. Thrill seeking. Be sure to note the capitalized words. I've never said it was "on-par," or the same thing. You're the one who brought up cliff diving. I simply said that people do both as forms of risk taking. You agreed with me (sort of) in post 126. I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point.

thise are reasons why adults do things.9 year olds aren't looking to be thrill seekers.

So you think if you asked a random 9-year old, "Hey, want to go shoot machine guns?" They'd say no? Kids seek thrills just like anybody else. The fact that this kid's parents didn't know when to say "no," is the issue here...not the kid wanting to shoot the gun.

 

[El Floppo]

Serious question, Otis: if the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and if you were in charge of all gun laws, what would you impose?

At a minimum? Let's use logic and reason for 3 minutes here, it shouldn't be that hard.

1. New law: Children can't play with firearms. There's little upside to a nine-year old human being firing deadly weapons. The downside is pretty obvious.
2. Another new law: let's ban people-killing machines. Crazy right? Well hold on a minute. Billy Bob wants to go buck hunting with his 15-year-old son on the weekend? Cool. Things like hunting rifles are fair game, and they have a legitimate design purpose beyond killing people, and they don't seem to come up all that often in these mass murders or tragic kid accidents. There's your "social underpinnings." You guys can still sit around the campfire with your tobaccer and wax poetic about your old hunting days with Pa. But then we don't have kids with assault rifles and uzis--weapons that are designed specifically for the efficient mass killing of other human beings--either barging into high schools and taking out half their Earth Science class, or shooting themselves at gun shows. No, that doesn't mean this is going to become Nazi Germany overnight. But it does mean that we're going to make a decision and enact a policy that values human life and the prevention of tragedy over nostalgia.

There would be my first day in Office. Pretty sure I could actually knock that out in the morning, and then kick off early for happy hour.

This really isn't that hard. But people will piss and moan about the above, for one reason or another.

See here's your problem. You bring all this stupid hate of people you have never been around to it. I don't know anyone who goes hunting with anything other than a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't know anyone who would say a 9 yr old should be handling an Uzi. Even those tobaccer spitting people you so badly want to denigrate. It isn't your traditional hunters and their children that are problem. It's people who don't have that tradition or understanding of guns. A gun is a tool. I would let a 9 year old child use a hammer. I wouldn't let them use a compressor driven nail gun.

Right. My point is there is no good reason for anyone to own a weapon designed for and capable of the quick and efficient slaughter of people. In much the same way there is absolutely no good reason to own a pet pitbull, African lion, or Tyrannosaurus Rex.

I want a T-Rex.

pretty sure that's provided for in the 3rd amendment.

Right to bear short arms.

Thank you- I was hoping somebody would spike that bump-set...

 

[zDragon]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

are you stating that all risk is equal?

No, all risk is not equal.

Letting a 9 year old fire an Uzi has way more risk than a person owning a pittbull. The first is just plain stupid where the second is owning a pet to most.

Letting a 9yr old drive a go-kart has less risk than letting a 4yr drive a go-kart. Both are "needless risk".

Just like the cheerleader example. It has more risk than letting your son play football.

I highlighted what I am stating. It was funny to me he picked guns and pitbulls to rail on. Then go on to use that comment.

 

[Tom Skerritt]

So shooting an Uzi is on par with jumping in a lake. Got it.

Not what I said. To revisit your original question, which I think has gotten lost...

I don't understand the point of having a 9yo girl fire an Uzi. Do the parents think that it will make her popular with her friends? Just to say that she did it? I cannot come up with a single good reason.

Parents should be charged with child endangerment, recklessness, and/or negligence IMO.

...and my response...The REASON people shoot Uzi's is the same as the REASON why people jump off cliffs, etc. Thrill seeking. Be sure to note the capitalized words. I've never said it was "on-par," or the same thing. You're the one who brought up cliff diving. I simply said that people do both as forms of risk taking. You agreed with me (sort of) in post 126. I don't even know what we're arguing about at this point.

thise are reasons why adults do things.9 year olds aren't looking to be thrill seekers.

While driving through the the Grand Canyon...

9yo Girl: "Mom, I have to go to the bathroom."

Mom: "Okay. Look, we can stop there... The Last Stop Saloon and Machine Gun Range."

9yo Girl: "Sweet! Can I shoot an Uzi?"

Dad: "Sure sweetie pie. What's the worst that could happen?"

 

[Guest]

Physics prevailed. Seems like she pulled the trigger, the Uzi recoiled over her head and kept shooting. Kind of like holding a runaway hose.

Seems like an unfortunate situation where... Of course this would happen if the gun weren't stabilized.

Have we come so far that virtually any gun safety regulations are anathema? An instructor thought this was a good idea! Good Lord!

 

[Loan Sharks]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

Name one thing we allow our kids to participate in that is stupid AND needless.

Cheerleading.

 

[NCCommish]

Serious question, Otis: if the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and if you were in charge of all gun laws, what would you impose?

At a minimum? Let's use logic and reason for 3 minutes here, it shouldn't be that hard.

1. New law: Children can't play with firearms. There's little upside to a nine-year old human being firing deadly weapons. The downside is pretty obvious.
2. Another new law: let's ban people-killing machines. Crazy right? Well hold on a minute. Billy Bob wants to go buck hunting with his 15-year-old son on the weekend? Cool. Things like hunting rifles are fair game, and they have a legitimate design purpose beyond killing people, and they don't seem to come up all that often in these mass murders or tragic kid accidents. There's your "social underpinnings." You guys can still sit around the campfire with your tobaccer and wax poetic about your old hunting days with Pa. But then we don't have kids with assault rifles and uzis--weapons that are designed specifically for the efficient mass killing of other human beings--either barging into high schools and taking out half their Earth Science class, or shooting themselves at gun shows. No, that doesn't mean this is going to become Nazi Germany overnight. But it does mean that we're going to make a decision and enact a policy that values human life and the prevention of tragedy over nostalgia.

There would be my first day in Office. Pretty sure I could actually knock that out in the morning, and then kick off early for happy hour.

This really isn't that hard. But people will piss and moan about the above, for one reason or another.

See here's your problem. You bring all this stupid hate of people you have never been around to it. I don't know anyone who goes hunting with anything other than a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't know anyone who would say a 9 yr old should be handling an Uzi. Even those tobaccer spitting people you so badly want to denigrate. It isn't your traditional hunters and their children that are problem. It's people who don't have that tradition or understanding of guns. A gun is a tool. I would let a 9 year old child use a hammer. I wouldn't let them use a compressor driven nail gun.

Right. My point is there is no good reason for anyone to own a weapon designed for and capable of the quick and efficient slaughter of people. In much the same way there is absolutely no good reason to own a pet pitbull, African lion, or Tyrannosaurus Rex.

I want a T-Rex.

pretty sure that's provided for in the 3rd amendment.

I want my constitutionally mandated T-Rex.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

Name one thing we allow our kids to participate in that is stupid AND needless.

Cheerleading.

Yeah, I never should have asked. Never mind.

 

[Zow]

Well it lived up to its name....Last Stop Outdoor Shooting Range

The burgers are quite good, I hear.

 

[Courtjester]

Yeah there was a lot of stupidity on display there.

CNN had a gun instructor on and he basically said the instructor should never have been standing to her left as she is right handed and this is exactly where the kick is going to take it. Plus he said anytime you have someone shooting a full-auto weapon for the first time you don't give them a full clipped weapon--you put 3 bullets in or so, in case the recoil starts to take the weapon out of control.

I am guessing and I could be wrong that the parents didn't own the weapon and this is just one of those places where you can pretty much rent any kind of machine gun or handgun you want. We have a place east of me that you can fire .50 caliber mounted machine guns for the right price.

There is no reason whatsoever for this place to have such a low age requirement for weapons of this type. I could see 10 year olds allowed to shoot a .22 or something manageable like that, but anything else is just crazy.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I don't know how the facility can be liable for anything as I bet the parents signed a crap load of releases prior to her shooting. I can see the parents possibly being charged (what we have in Colorado) with Reckless Endangerment--but that statute pertains to an individual committing an act that results in the possibility of something bad happening, not a 3rd party. Maybe a child endangerment charge? Don't know...

 

[GroveDiesel]

Letting a 9 year old fire an Uzi is beyond stupid and irresponsible. 9 year olds shouldn't even be firing handguns as the kick is too much.

 

[Zow]

Charges would probably be futile given the incredibly high quality of criminal defense in that area.

 

[coyote5]

Charges would probably be futile given the incredibly high quality of criminal defense in that area.

 

[Jobber]

Letting a 9 year old fire an Uzi is beyond stupid and irresponsible. 9 year olds shouldn't even be firing handguns as the kick is too much.

Exactly. At most, a rifle, and from a prone position for a starter.

 

[Freelove]

Still amazed that someone compared this to cheerleading.

Not amazed in the slightest. Exactly why the world is so bananas.

No one compared the 9 year old shooting the instructor to cheerleader deaths.

Your the one that lumped a 9 year old shooting an Uzi at the same level as owning a Pitbull.

I simply pointed out and found your comment on needless risk funny. The fact is we all take stupid needless risk every day.

For Example: Go Kart, Go Kart

are you stating that all risk is equal?

No, all risk is not equal.

Letting a 9 year old fire an Uzi has way more risk than a person owning a pittbull. The first is just plain stupid where the second is owning a pet to most.

In both, you have created a threat to the public because, thanks to you, there is an uncontrollable and irresponsible entity equipped with deadly force at large.

The two seem pretty hand in hand to me, actually.

 

[Braktastic]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Posty is currently banned, but used to post lots of topics describing people (mostly kids) being killed in unusual and often gruesome ways. Not everybody wants to read about a kid getting their head chopped off accidentally while browsing the forums.

this one wasn't quite the same since it was the kid that did the accidental killing, but just the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the topic.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Posty's "shtick" for lack of a better term was to post news articles of the most depressing kind, kids/dogs dying type stuff. Here and FFT. Guy was a prolific poster on both sites IIRC, and perhaps was banned here but that may or may not be the case.

 

[Fat Nick]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Braktastic - Joined 06-August 11

Man...I think 3 years should get you past the noob stage!

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Posty is currently banned, but used to post lots of topics describing people (mostly kids) being killed in unusual and often gruesome ways. Not everybody wants to read about a kid getting their head chopped off accidentally while browsing the forums.

this one wasn't quite the same since it was the kid that did the accidental killing, but just the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the topic.

Posty's "shtick" for lack of a better term was to post news articles of the most depressing kind, kids/dogs dying type stuff. Here and FFT. Guy was a prolific poster on both sites IIRC, and perhaps was banned here but that may or may not be the case.

decent notebooking

 

[Emerson Biggens]

I couldn't help but think of this scene from The Hangover 2

http://youtu.be/VDIP653GzAs

 

[TheIronSheik]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Posty is currently banned, but used to post lots of topics describing people (mostly kids) being killed in unusual and often gruesome ways. Not everybody wants to read about a kid getting their head chopped off accidentally while browsing the forums.

this one wasn't quite the same since it was the kid that did the accidental killing, but just the first thought that came to my mind when I saw the topic.

Allegedly.

 

[Braktastic]

Thanks, guys. I can be a slow learner.

 

[lod01]

Well it lived up to its name....Last Stop Outdoor Shooting Range

They sure dodged a bullet with that name. A name change would be in order if they were called 'The Fun Times Shooting Range'.

 

[timschochet]

1. This story makes the national news.

2. Obama says something ought to be done.

3. NRA says they're trying to seize your guns again!

4.Nervous gun owners rush to gun stores and buy all of the weapons and ammo they can, thinking there's new laws coming soon.

5. No new laws are passed.

6. The gun store owners and manufacturers make a huge profit.

Rinse and repeat.

 

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Speaking of which, whatdya say we get a dozen really sweet and loving pitbulls and let them loose in the daycare today. Honestly, these animals are soooooo sweet with my nephew, they'd never hurt a fly. What could go wrong?

You leave the analogy-making to the other partners a the firm, doncha?

 

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I get that you don't understand the social underpinnings but kids are going hunting with fathers at that age. The reality is those kids generally grow up to be responsible gun owners who never harm anyone or themselves. And pass on that tradition to their own kids. You would much rather have those kids who grew up knowing what a gun does and how dangerous it is than a lot of these gunfondlers we have today who learned everything they know from TV and COD. Those of us that grew up handling guns are just as pissed off when some jackass let's a kid get a gun and hurt themselves or others as you are. Or when these open carry dooshes are prancing around. Many of us gave up on the NRA a long time ago when they became an industry cheerleader and not a responsible part of the dialogue. But that doesn't mean that something that doesn't work for you doesn't have a place.

Fantastic ####### post, NCC... seriously.

I just broke my like button.

 

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Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

 

[Fat Nick]

I get that you don't understand the social underpinnings but kids are going hunting with fathers at that age. The reality is those kids generally grow up to be responsible gun owners who never harm anyone or themselves. And pass on that tradition to their own kids. You would much rather have those kids who grew up knowing what a gun does and how dangerous it is than a lot of these gunfondlers we have today who learned everything they know from TV and COD. Those of us that grew up handling guns are just as pissed off when some jackass let's a kid get a gun and hurt themselves or others as you are. Or when these open carry dooshes are prancing around. Many of us gave up on the NRA a long time ago when they became an industry cheerleader and not a responsible part of the dialogue. But that doesn't mean that something that doesn't work for you doesn't have a place.

Fantastic ####### post, NCC... seriously.

I just broke my like button.

Agree...I initially missed this in the barrage of posts, but it's really well said. I've struggled with guns and my wife because she grew up in the suburbs with very anti-gun parents. Neither of them had ever shot a gun, and couldn't grasp the concept of wanting one or the enjoyment. Their exposure was 100% media driven. Meanwhile, I was raised around guns. My father taught me with a BB gun, then a .22. Safety was more important than anything. Never hunted, but loved sport shooting and just target shooting with an old single-shot .22 and a walnut tree. I'm not a "gun advocate," or a "gun person," but I enjoy shooting when I get the chance, and hope to teach my son the same thing some day. I completely agree that as what NCC called someone who "grew up handling guns," I hate these kind of stories both for the ammo (no pun intended) they give anti-gun people, and for the NRA coutners that often ignore basic common sense (i.e. a 9 year-old can legally should an uzi, but that doesn't mean that they should)

 

[coyote5]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

 

[NCCommish]

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Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

When I first started shooting my father took me out to the range and set up a milk jug full of tomato juice. Then he had me shoot it. Red fluid everywhere in a big explosion. He said "now imagine that was me and you just shot me in my chest. That is what it would look like and I would probably be dead. If you ever point a gun at a person it is to kill them and you better be damn sure." Never have forgotten what that looked like and the message certainly stuck. All the dads I know who hunt/shoot with their kids are very tough on them whenever they have a gun in hand. There is no fooling around. And the rules are drummed in. Always see your target clearly. Always know what you are shooting at. And every gun is loaded until you personally make sure it isn't.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Unless it is strictly about sport shooting...

 

[NCCommish]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I only shoot sporting clays. But I eat everything I shoot. Nothing goes to waste.

 

[NCCommish]

I only shoot sporting clays. But I eat everything I shoot. Nothing goes to waste.

Kind of chewy aren't they?

 

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More responsibility from this gun range:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=933320310028171&set=vb.519082914785248&type=2&theater

Ugh that's insane...

 

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"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun food."

FYP.