9-year-old girl accidentally kills instructor with uzi (1 Viewer)

[Captain Quinoa]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Posty is currently banned, but used to post lots of topics describing people (mostly kids) being killed in unusual and often gruesome ways. Not everybody wants to read about a kid getting their head chopped off accidentally while browsing the forums.

Some kid got his head chopped off while browsing the forums? SHUT IT DOWN!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Posty is currently banned, but used to post lots of topics describing people (mostly kids) being killed in unusual and often gruesome ways. Not everybody wants to read about a kid getting their head chopped off accidentally while browsing the forums.

Some kid got his head chopped off while browsing the forums? SHUT IT DOWN!

:spittake:

 

[TheIronSheik]

I only shoot sporting clays. But I eat everything I shoot. Nothing goes to waste.

Kind of chewy aren't they?

You really have to be liberal with the BBQ sauce.

 

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When I first started shooting my father took me out to the range and set up a milk jug full of tomato juice. Then he had me shoot it. Red fluid everywhere in a big explosion. He said "now imagine that was me and you just shot me in my chest. That is what it would look like and I would probably be dead. If you ever point a gun at a person it is to kill them and you better be damn sure." Never have forgotten what that looked like and the message certainly stuck. All the dads I know who hunt/shoot with their kids are very tough on them whenever they have a gun in hand. There is no fooling around. And the rules are drummed in. Always see your target clearly. Always know what you are shooting at. And every gun is loaded until you personally make sure it isn't.

Yep.

One branch of my GF's family married into Eastern Kentucky folks. Good people but the father has several firearms. He also has 2 daughters (now 14, 12) and a son (now 11). He has put the fear of God in those kids with regards to firearms. The son is now curious and the father will take him out to shoot a 22 but, having been there, it is in a VERY controlled environment and even the slightest goofing off or mishandling of the rifle and his day is over. Kid handles that rifle more responsibly than a ton of adults I'm sure. The son also is involved competitive archery and does quite well.

 

[Otis]

Charges would probably be futile given the incredibly high quality of criminal defense in that area.

 

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I only shoot sporting clays. But I eat everything I shoot. Nothing goes to waste.

Kind of chewy aren't they?

You really have to be liberal with the BBQ sauce.

Let's be honest... everything is better with BBQ sauce.

:Subscribe:

 

[drummer]

I only shoot sporting clays. But I eat everything I shoot. Nothing goes to waste.

Kind of chewy aren't they?

You really have to be liberal with the BBQ sauce.

Let's be honest... everything is better with BBQ sauce.

:Subscribe:

"that isn't blood. that's BBQ sauce"

 

[Otis]

" post="17148590" timestamp="1409144778"]

Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

Nobody is saying you can't hunt. We're saying 9 year olds can't fire Uzis. There's a pretty wide chasm between the two. Plenty of room for you guys to have your "sport" (in which you use firearms to kill dumb, defenseless animals) and reason can still prevail.

 

[Otis]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

 

[Otis]

More responsibility from this gun range:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=933320310028171&set=vb.519082914785248&type=2&theater

Ugh that's insane...

Nice job Kennan! " Your the Man!!! "

 

[Otis]

More responsibility from this gun range:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=933320310028171&set=vb.519082914785248&type=2&theater

Ugh that's insane...

There's your gun culture at work.

 

[Courtjester]

Otis do you not realize you are just fighting with yourself?

There is not one person in this thread that has advocated that this kid should have been handling this weapon.

 

[drummer]

" post="17148590" timestamp="1409144778"]

Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

Nobody is saying you can't hunt. We're saying 9 year olds can't fire Uzis. There's a pretty wide chasm between the two. Plenty of room for you guys to have your "sport" (in which you use firearms to kill dumb, defenseless animals) and reason can still prevail.

???. The range is called "Bullets and Burgers".

 

[TheIronSheik]

" post="17148590" timestamp="1409144778"]

Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

Nobody is saying you can't hunt. We're saying 9 year olds can't fire Uzis. There's a pretty wide chasm between the two. Plenty of room for you guys to have your "sport" (in which you use firearms to kill dumb, defenseless animals) and reason can still prevail.

So all animals are dumb? Animalist.

 

[NCCommish]

" post="17148590" timestamp="1409144778"]

Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

Nobody is saying you can't hunt. We're saying 9 year olds can't fire Uzis. There's a pretty wide chasm between the two. Plenty of room for you guys to have your "sport" (in which you use firearms to kill dumb, defenseless animals) and reason can still prevail.

Pretty sure both Icon and I agree. But you seemed to be damning all shooting to start out with.

 

[timschochet]

Otis do you not realize you are just fighting with yourself?

There is not one person in this thread that has advocated that this kid should have been handling this weapon.

I'm tempted to try to argue it, not to justify Otis but because it would be intellectually challenging.

 

[Otis]

" post="17148590" timestamp="1409144778"]

Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

Nobody is saying you can't hunt. We're saying 9 year olds can't fire Uzis. There's a pretty wide chasm between the two. Plenty of room for you guys to have your "sport" (in which you use firearms to kill dumb, defenseless animals) and reason can still prevail.

Pretty sure both Icon and I agree. But you seemed to be damning all shooting to start out with.

I'm damning small children handling weapons.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Otis do you not realize you are just fighting with yourself?

There is not one person in this thread that has advocated that this kid should have been handling this weapon.

I'm tempted to try to argue it, not to justify Otis but because it would be intellectually challenging.

I don't think you could do it

 

[drummer]

Otis do you not realize you are just fighting with yourself?

There is not one person in this thread that has advocated that this kid should have been handling this weapon.

I'm tempted to try to argue it, not to justify Otis but because it would be intellectually challenging.

It sure would be for those who would suffer reading it.

 

[Otis]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

 

[CBusAlex]

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

BUT OTIS A CHEER LEADING UNIFORM CAN BE AN IMPLEMENT OF VIOLENCE

 

[TheIronSheik]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

I agree with most everything you say, but I disagree in calling a gun an implement of violence. That's just incorrect. I own a gun and go shooting all of the time. My gun has never been used for violence. It's like calling a baseball bat an implement of violence.

 

[Fat Nick]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

You do realize that 99% of the time, it's not the GunGuys that introduce them to these things, but rather television and the media, right? These kinds of things are so prevalent in every culture that it's basically inevitable. You can keep them from shooting a gun, but they're going to know about them. Even kids who have never shot a gun IRL love video games where they get to blast people.

 

[Zow]

More responsibility from this gun range:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=933320310028171&set=vb.519082914785248&type=2&theater

Ugh that's insane...

There's your gun culture at work.

FWIW, that's one of the worst per capita meth use areas on the planet.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Also, I am having a problem with this entire thing. It is not like the kid accidentally hurt someone in her family. Let's be honest here the only loss is the shooting instructor and it is pretty obvious that he was a very bad shooting instructor and better him now than his lackluster safety policies rubbing off on his pupils and causing a real loss to someone who didn't deserve it.

I'm guessing your post is mostly shtick, but I work with a guy who is a firearms instructor on the side; he's shot many fully-autos with folks, including Uzis. He told me that:

1. You never give an inexperienced person, regardless of age, an Uzi with more than 1-2 bullets to start with, and what you see in the video is fairly common, not just for kids, but for many first time Uzi shooters. The weapon is extremely light and small with a delicate trigger and rapid rate of fire. The torque it produces when fired is unique and often confuses the first timer as the gun seems to wants to spin and bounce out of your hand when the trigger is pulled if it's not held with enough tension to counter the torque. The natural reaction to this, is to squeeze the gun (and trigger) even tighter, which if the magazine is loaded, just fires more rounds while rarely countering the spin. The majority of Uzi accidents (deaths) leave the shooter with multiple rounds in their head and chest area as the arc of bullets fires into the air and comes back around 180 degrees and downward as the spin continues; not pretty.

2. The instructor should always be on the same side as the hand the shooter is using and behind the shooter a few feet. Most torque accidents are going to roll the gun up and towards the opposite side of the shooter as it spins. Like in this case; if the instructor had been on her other side, he probably doesn't get hit.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Thanks, Posty

Alright. My noob status is showing, but I did look at the FAQ the last time I saw this and couldn't find anything. So, what means this?

Posty is currently banned, but used to post lots of topics describing people (mostly kids) being killed in unusual and often gruesome ways. Not everybody wants to read about a kid getting their head chopped off accidentally while browsing the forums.

Some kid got his head chopped off while browsing the forums? SHUT IT DOWN!

Thanks posty

 

[mr roboto]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

I agree with most everything you say, but I disagree in calling a gun an implement of violence. That's just incorrect. I own a gun and go shooting all of the time. My gun has never been used for violence. It's like calling a baseball bat an implement of violence.

No it's not. A baseball bat was designed for hitting a baseball but can be used for violence. A gun was designed specifically to kill living things. It can be used for sport, but it is fundamentally designed for violence.

 

[TheIronSheik]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

I agree with most everything you say, but I disagree in calling a gun an implement of violence. That's just incorrect. I own a gun and go shooting all of the time. My gun has never been used for violence. It's like calling a baseball bat an implement of violence.

No it's not. A baseball bat was designed for hitting a baseball but can be used for violence. A guy was designed specifically to kill living things. It can be used for sport, but it is fundamentally designed for violence.

Robocop?

 

[mr roboto]

fixed

 

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" post="17148590" timestamp="1409144778"]

Wasn't there a story a few years ago about a young kid shooting himself with an uzi at an "outdoor show/try a gun on our safe range" type thing?

Probably. But but but.... SECOND AMENDMENT.

You're kinda coming off like an idiot here. I don't think anyone would advocate letting a 9yo girl shoot a fully automatic weapon. Father's an idiot. Instructor is a bigger idiot for allowing it... and for not having the gun stabilized.... and for standing where he did.

Sack full of stupid in that scenario.

But the very second you proposed regulations on age restrictions you know the exact groups that would spring into action. De Facto they are advocating it because they'd fight tooth and nail to stop any effort to limit it.

I am ALL for age restrictions on firing crazy weapons like submachine guns. 16 or 18 seems fair.

However NCCommish's post rings very true regarding the hunting/sport shooting being a significant father/son bonding component in many families... and is overwhelmingly carried out in a very responsible manner, resulting in responsible young future gun owners. These are NOT the people we should be targeting.

Disclaimer... I was not raised as a hunter. Have never hunted in my life but enjoy sport shooting. That said, living in the south I see it as heavily interwoven into male society/bonding.

Nobody is saying you can't hunt. We're saying 9 year olds can't fire Uzis. There's a pretty wide chasm between the two. Plenty of room for you guys to have your "sport" (in which you use firearms to kill dumb, defenseless animals) and reason can still prevail.

For an attorney, Oats ain't so good with that readin' thing. Maybe the eyes are starting to go?

 

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Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

 

[MaxThreshold]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

I agree with most everything you say, but I disagree in calling a gun an implement of violence. That's just incorrect. I own a gun and go shooting all of the time. My gun has never been used for violence. It's like calling a baseball bat an implement of violence.

No it's not. A baseball bat was designed for hitting a baseball but can be used for violence. A gun was designed specifically to kill living things. It can be used for sport, but it is fundamentally designed for violence.

sure, but in defense of women, children, land and property among other things.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

you seem to serve lots of food, so we'll take your word for it.

 

[jonessed]

"Son, today I'm going to share with you something my father shared with me and his father shared with him. Today I'm going to teach you how to kill things for fun."

Always ate what we killed. Came in handy when money was tight to have some deer meat in the freezer. The fun is in being out there in nature. Most of the time you don't even get a decent shot for days. I respect the animals. But if we didn't hunt deer they would be disease ridden and overpopulated. Those diseases would spread into livestock. We have taken too much habitat from them for the herds to be unmanaged at this point. And your steak suffers from far more cruelty in factory farming than anything I ever did to any animal I shot.

Yeah. Same old stuff.

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport.

I don't know any hunters that don't eat what they kill. Anyone that eats store bought meat is simply outsourcing the process for convenience.

 

[Limp Ditka]

The McDouble is a $1.00. How many of those can you get for the price of your gun + ammo?

 

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Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

you seem to serve lots of food, so we'll take your word for it.

 

[[icon]]

The McDouble is a $1.00. How many of those can you get for the price of your gun + ammo?

Not surprised to find this is your go to form of sustenance.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

you seem to serve lots of food, so we'll take your word for it.

Shoot that there thing and quick! i'ms a stravin'

 

[Limp Ditka]

No one on earth couple possibly know about the dollar menu without actually going to a McDonalds!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

100% not fishing. I've post this same opinion numerous times over the year. None of the other "reasons" really wash.

 

[Limp Ditka]

The McDouble is a $1.00. How many of those can you get for the price of your gun + ammo?

Not surprised to find this is your go to form of sustenance.

Yes. There's lots of info in my post to support your claim.

And why would your chunky self be commenting on what anyone is using for sustenance?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I like to murder people in dark alleys but I also steal their wallets so it's for a good reason.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Jesus

I don't care what any of you gun-loving hillbillies say, if you're putting an uzi in your NINE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER's hands, you're the dumbest ####### on the planet.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I like to murder people in dark alleys but I also steal their wallets so it's for a good reason.

Plus roasting the human femur makes for some great marrow. That and some toasted baguette!

 

[Otis]

To make this crystal clear for the GunGuys:

- I have no problem with dad taking 15 year old Johnny out to shoot deer. I think it's completely and utterly stupid, but if someone else enjoys it, go for it.

- I have a problem with any culture that introduces small children to implements of violence, whether they be assault rifles, handguns, throwing stars, or anything else that is intended to inflict harm on other beings. That's a really, really twisted message to be sending to a 9 year old, regardless of whether it's what my Pa, and my Pa's Pa and General Lee did.

Those are the bright lines for me. Sorry if you guys disagree.

You do realize that 99% of the time, it's not the GunGuys that introduce them to these things, but rather television and the media, right? These kinds of things are so prevalent in every culture that it's basically inevitable. You can keep them from shooting a gun, but they're going to know about them. Even kids who have never shot a gun IRL love video games where they get to blast people.

Good point. I guess the solution is to introduce them at a young age to...doh

 

[Otis]

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

Yeah that's right. That's why people hunt."Hey Judith, I'm over at the Stop & Shop and they're all out of venison. This could totally ruin Johnnys birthday barbecue! WAIT. I've got it. I'll take the Uzi down to Potter's field and save the day!!

Actually just send Sally over, she's had her uzi training."

 

[Otis]

Hunters like to kill animals. Period. All of those other things might be 100% true but that doesn't change the fact that hunters dig the thrill of ending another creatures life...for sport food.

100% not fishing. I've post this same opinion numerous times over the year. None of the other "reasons" really wash.

Exactly.

 

[Otis]

I like to murder people in dark alleys but I also steal their wallets so it's for a good reason.

 

[Otis]

I keep my Uzi handy on my commute, just in case I get really hungry along the way.