A little dynasty TE discussion... (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

 

[saintfool]

greg cosell mentioned how much he liked Kroft in a lot of his pre-draft chatter.

 

[Faust]

What do the Giants think of young tight ends Jerome Cunningham, Will Tye and Matt LaCosse?

 

[Faust]

Broncos position watch: Tight ends

 

[JackReacher]

Quarless arrested on South Beach this morning. Note for Rodgers owners

 

[KellysHeroes]

Quarless arrested on South Beach this morning. Note for Rodgers owners

Pop pop, that sound was the end of ur nfl career

 

[Pwingles]

Quarless arrested on South Beach this morning. Note for Rodgers owners

Nice, my plan worked perfectly

 

[KellysHeroes]

Honestly I could see them dailing Gresham's number right now

 

[Zyphros]

Wouldn't that just bump Richard Rogers instead? He showed pretty well last year so a larger role perhaps?

 

[menobrown]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

 

[Run It Up]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

Cause he hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off. And that might continue. And I didn't say he is I said Kroft could push the spot.

 

[Tau837]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

Cause he hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off. And that might continue. And I didn't say he is I said Kroft could push the spot.

All of the reports I saw on Eifert from this offseason have all been very positive. Not sure what you are talking about here.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Are people really down on Kyle Rudolph at this point, or does he still have the potential some saw in him heading into last year?

I'm torn. Good young QB, solid but unspectacular WRs, great running game for play action, and a TE friendly system. But who knows if he'll play 5 games or 16.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Are people really down on Kyle Rudolph at this point, or does he still have the potential some saw in him heading into last year?

I'm torn. Good young QB, solid but unspectacular WRs, great running game for play action, and a TE friendly system. But who knows if he'll play 5 games or 16.

I'm thinking his receiving talent was a little overrated in the dynasty community from the beginning because he was over drafted (just like Ebron...actually, just like many TE's drafted early). But in reality TE's usually take a while to develop, so maybe I'm wrong and all of these highly drafted TE's still have a chance to develop into studs.Just seems like highly drafted TE's have been a disappointment for a long time.

On the topic of dynasty TE's, how'd Jesse James look in OTA's and minicamps, Steelers4Life? Got any insight? I liked him a lot as a sleeper and probably drafted him in the 4th round in every league.

 

[Dan Hindery]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

Cause he hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off. And that might continue. And I didn't say he is I said Kroft could push the spot.

I've heard the opposite, that Eifert was looking excellent by the end of OTAs and that Kroft was really struggling and having issues with drops. He hasn't even separated himself from fellow rookie CJ Uzomah yet (though I suspect he will in training camp). I don't think there should be much debate about who is the TE to own in Cincy.

 

[Dan Hindery]

Are people really down on Kyle Rudolph at this point, or does he still have the potential some saw in him heading into last year?

I'm torn. Good young QB, solid but unspectacular WRs, great running game for play action, and a TE friendly system. But who knows if he'll play 5 games or 16.

I think there is still something there and grabbed him in the 13th round of a recent startup draft. The injury concerns are a real issue because they even go back to his college days and you're absolutely right that you might only get 5 games out of him. But Bridgewater seems really excited about him and he was obviously a huge part of the Vikings' plans last summer because they signed him to a huge extension. He has some nice upside because he's great in the red zone and has the size/speed combo you are looking for. And as you mentioned, TE friendly system with Norv.

I'm not saying he's a sure thing by any means, but you could do a lot worse for your TE2, which is what he's being drafted/valued at right now.

 

[ZWK]

Looking at Indy: Fleener seems pretty underrated right now - TE20 in the FBG staff rankings, and late teens in various other rankings. (Allen is underrated too in a lot of places, though not by the FBG staff who have him at TE12).

Having Luck as your QB is great, but the concern with Allen & Fleener has always been that they'd cancel each other out. Fleener did manage to finish as TE7ish last year, even with Allen playing 12 games, but that is still a pretty reasonable concern (especially for this year, with the upgrades to their WR corps).

But Fleener and Allen are both going into the last year of their contracts, and I'd bet that the most likely outcome a year from now is that one of them re-signs in Indy and the other goes elsewhere. Allen as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Yes, please. Fleener as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Same. A solid TE who is a major red zone threat in an elite passing offense, with a good shot at Julius Thomas / Dallas Clark production.

For folks that have Fleener ranked in the late teens or worse, I have 4 questions:

1. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would re-sign with the Colts next year and Allen would leave?

2. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would leave Indy after this season?

3. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he & Allen would both re-sign with the Colts next year?

4. How likely do you consider each of these 3 scenarios?

(My answers: TE8, TE19, TE19, 30-50-20.)

 

[KellysHeroes]

Looking at Indy: Fleener seems pretty underrated right now - TE20 in the FBG staff rankings, and late teens in various other rankings. (Allen is underrated too in a lot of places, though not by the FBG staff who have him at TE12).

Having Luck as your QB is great, but the concern with Allen & Fleener has always been that they'd cancel each other out. Fleener did manage to finish as TE7ish last year, even with Allen playing 12 games, but that is still a pretty reasonable concern (especially for this year, with the upgrades to their WR corps).

But Fleener and Allen are both going into the last year of their contracts, and I'd bet that the most likely outcome a year from now is that one of them re-signs in Indy and the other goes elsewhere. Allen as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Yes, please. Fleener as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Same. A solid TE who is a major red zone threat in an elite passing offense, with a good shot at Julius Thomas / Dallas Clark production.

For folks that have Fleener ranked in the late teens or worse, I have 4 questions:

1. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would re-sign with the Colts next year and Allen would leave?

2. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would leave Indy after this season?

3. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he & Allen would both re-sign with the Colts next year?

4. How likely do you consider each of these 3 scenarios?

(My answers: TE8, TE19, TE19, 30-50-20.)

Indy won't be able to afford both Allen and Fleener, with Allens injury history I don't see them keeping him

 

[Steelers4Life]

Are people really down on Kyle Rudolph at this point, or does he still have the potential some saw in him heading into last year?

I'm torn. Good young QB, solid but unspectacular WRs, great running game for play action, and a TE friendly system. But who knows if he'll play 5 games or 16.

I'm thinking his receiving talent was a little overrated in the dynasty community from the beginning because he was over drafted (just like Ebron...actually, just like many TE's drafted early). But in reality TE's usually take a while to develop, so maybe I'm wrong and all of these highly drafted TE's still have a chance to develop into studs.Just seems like highly drafted TE's have been a disappointment for a long time.

On the topic of dynasty TE's, how'd Jesse James look in OTA's and minicamps, Steelers4Life? Got any insight? I liked him a lot as a sleeper and probably drafted him in the 4th round in every league.

Honestly, I'm not a big fan but I'm pretty far removed from keeping up with the Steelers like I used to. Living in Charlotte and having a 1 year old kind of limits my access!

 

[Run It Up]

Since when is OTAs actually football holy ####. I get it, you guys are still riding the Eifert hypetrain. It's like you guys are intentionally misreading my posts.

I said one thing about Eifert's situation cause someone alluded that he has no competition. I mentioned one of the better TEs in this poor TE class was actually drafted by Cincy, which was met with a completely baseless statement that Kroft isn't competition for Eifert because he isn't a receiving TE.

It's Eifert job to lose but as I mentioned earlier, in between Eifert injuries he has looked pedestrian - he's on a clock this season.

 

[Pwingles]

To any ASJ owners,

What do you make of them grabbing Wright?

Cause for concern? Depth add, nothing to worry about?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

To any ASJ owners,

What do you make of them grabbing Wright?

Cause for concern? Depth add, nothing to worry about?

He could be used as more of a slot WR than as a TE. Wright played WR in college and that's all he really is.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's Eifert job to lose but as I mentioned earlier, in between Eifert injuries he has looked pedestrian - he's on a clock this season.

Even assuming that Eifert has looked pedestrian on the field (he hasn't), we're talking about his rookie season behind a solid veteran and one quarter of football during his second season in the league.

Tyler Kroft is a solid player and should carve out a solid NFL career but I'm not seeing him as a threat to take targets away from Eifert while he's healthy.

 

[ol blues]

Looking at Indy: Fleener seems pretty underrated right now - TE20 in the FBG staff rankings, and late teens in various other rankings. (Allen is underrated too in a lot of places, though not by the FBG staff who have him at TE12).

Having Luck as your QB is great, but the concern with Allen & Fleener has always been that they'd cancel each other out. Fleener did manage to finish as TE7ish last year, even with Allen playing 12 games, but that is still a pretty reasonable concern (especially for this year, with the upgrades to their WR corps).

But Fleener and Allen are both going into the last year of their contracts, and I'd bet that the most likely outcome a year from now is that one of them re-signs in Indy and the other goes elsewhere. Allen as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Yes, please. Fleener as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Same. A solid TE who is a major red zone threat in an elite passing offense, with a good shot at Julius Thomas / Dallas Clark production.

For folks that have Fleener ranked in the late teens or worse, I have 4 questions:

1. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would re-sign with the Colts next year and Allen would leave?

2. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would leave Indy after this season?

3. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he & Allen would both re-sign with the Colts next year?

4. How likely do you consider each of these 3 scenarios?

(My answers: TE8, TE19, TE19, 30-50-20.)

Very thoughtful post. Admittedly, I'm much lower on Fleener than most, so view my comments in that lens. To me the problem for Fleener is that Allen is such a superior blocker that in health Allen always plays the most snaps. And, simply being on the field, particularly in the Red Zone, yields far more fantasy potential. The looming concern for Fleener IMO is, however, less Allen than the weapons at WR who are far more dangerous receiving weapons than Fleener. Andre and the rookie are simply too skilled to sit a whole lot as the season progresses and, while I'm not as high on Moncrief's long term potential as most (I like Carter more as a developmental prospect), Moncrief will have his moments as well. Be Pep for a moment: why continue the 2 TE base offense when you have much more talent at wideout? Does a move to more multiple wideout sets occur immediately? Probably not. But it's likely by mid season and, certainly, long term. I don't like Fleener's long term prospects in this offense in redraft and it would surprise if he's even in Indy for long.

 

[Faust]

John Paulsen ‏@4for4_John Jul 2

Jason Witten has finished in the top 10 in both PPR and standard formats for eight straight seasons. Top 9 in PPR for 11 straight years.

John Paulsen ‏@4for4_John Jul 2

From W8 on, Mychal Rivera was the #5 PPR TE, and tied Jimmy Graham for the most targets (76) during that span. Going undrafted in some MFLs.

John Paulsen ‏@4for4_John Jul 2

I realize the Raiders drafted Clive Walford in the 3rd round, but rookie tight ends are typically disappointing.

John Paulsen ‏@4for4_John Jul 2

Since '98, 47 TEs have been drafted in the first two rounds, and just one (Jeremy Shockey) scored at a TE1-type rate.

John Paulsen ‏@4for4_John Jul 2

Six more TEs scored at a rate good enough to crack the 2014 top 18, so the odds are against Maxx Williams despite a great situation.

 

[ZWK]

Looking at Indy: Fleener seems pretty underrated right now - TE20 in the FBG staff rankings, and late teens in various other rankings. (Allen is underrated too in a lot of places, though not by the FBG staff who have him at TE12).

Having Luck as your QB is great, but the concern with Allen & Fleener has always been that they'd cancel each other out. Fleener did manage to finish as TE7ish last year, even with Allen playing 12 games, but that is still a pretty reasonable concern (especially for this year, with the upgrades to their WR corps).

But Fleener and Allen are both going into the last year of their contracts, and I'd bet that the most likely outcome a year from now is that one of them re-signs in Indy and the other goes elsewhere. Allen as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Yes, please. Fleener as the only good TE on an Andrew Luck offense? Same. A solid TE who is a major red zone threat in an elite passing offense, with a good shot at Julius Thomas / Dallas Clark production.

For folks that have Fleener ranked in the late teens or worse, I have 4 questions:

1. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would re-sign with the Colts next year and Allen would leave?

2. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would leave Indy after this season?

3. Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he & Allen would both re-sign with the Colts next year?

4. How likely do you consider each of these 3 scenarios?

(My answers: TE8, TE19, TE19, 30-50-20.)

Very thoughtful post. Admittedly, I'm much lower on Fleener than most, so view my comments in that lens. To me the problem for Fleener is that Allen is such a superior blocker that in health Allen always plays the most snaps. And, simply being on the field, particularly in the Red Zone, yields far more fantasy potential.The looming concern for Fleener IMO is, however, less Allen than the weapons at WR who are far more dangerous receiving weapons than Fleener. Andre and the rookie are simply too skilled to sit a whole lot as the season progresses and, while I'm not as high on Moncrief's long term potential as most (I like Carter more as a developmental prospect), Moncrief will have his moments as well. Be Pep for a moment: why continue the 2 TE base offense when you have much more talent at wideout? Does a move to more multiple wideout sets occur immediately? Probably not. But it's likely by mid season and, certainly, long term. I don't like Fleener's long term prospects in this offense in redraft and it would surprise if he's even in Indy for long.

This is a good analysis of Fleener's situation for the 2015 season. I agree that he probably won't be a fantasy TE who you want to start this year (unless there's an injury to Allen, Hilton, or Johnson).

But that doesn't tell us much about what to think of him for 2016 and beyond. It sounds like you think he'll probably leave Indy soon, which makes question 2 particularly important: "Where would you rank him if you knew for sure that he would leave Indy after this season?"

I'd argue that you should rank him somewhat higher than your answer to question 2, because there is some chance of scenario 1 (he stays in Indy and Allen leaves) - unless there's some reason why you don't like his long-term prospects even if things turn out that way?

 

[DexterDew]

I have Fleener in a few leagues and believe the odds are better than 50/50 he resigns with the Colts. I think he could be a match up and red zone advantage, and I wouldn't discount his connection with Luck. I also don't think it would cost that much to lock him up for another 3-4 years until he is 30-31.

On the other hand, I'm curious to see how the offense shapes up this year. I think it is in a state of flux. No doubt IND will put up points in bunches. But with the status of Hilton, the age of Johnson and the young unknowns (Moncrief, Carter and Dorsett) I can see IND wanting to keep Fleener around to give Luck a familiar target

 

[Faust]

On the topic of dynasty TE's, how'd Jesse James look in OTA's and minicamps, Steelers4Life? Got any insight? I liked him a lot as a sleeper and probably drafted him in the 4th round in every league.

I hope that you don't mind that I am answering this as per some information I posted earlier in this thread:

Anyone have more info on this Jesse James kid? Seems to only have Miller in front of him and he's a big kid (6'7"?).

Steelers Player Preview: Jesse James

Steelers rookie Jesse James finds mentor in Heath Miller

The Steelers feeble attempt to address the future of the tight end position

Report: Pittsburgh Steelers placed waiver claim on FA TE Tim Wright

Why Steelers rookie TE Jesse James will have a better NFL career than Maxx Williams

Rotoworld:

Penn State TE Jesse James "was under-utilized in Penn State's offense" and "he'll prove more effective in the NFL," according to CBS Sports' Rob Rang.

"James, frankly, was under-utilized in Penn State's offense and I think he'll prove more effective in the NFL if for nothing else because of his height, leaping ability and ball-skills as a red zone target. His height, speed and leaping ability (10-1" broad jump, 37.5" vertical) finished first and second, respectively, among tight ends at the Combine this year," Rang wrote. The 6-foot-7, 261-pound James has been making his rounds as of late, as he's visited or worked out for the Steelers, Packers, Chargers, Eagles and Ravens.

Apr 17 - 3:01 PM

Source: CBS Sports

Penn State TE Jesse James posted 40-yard dash times of 4.86 and 4.83 and added a 10-foot-1 broad jump at the NFL Scouting Combine.

Get ready to hear more of James' name over the next week. These numbers are outstanding for a prospect who measured into the event at 6-foot-7, 261 pounds with 33" arms and 9 3/8" hands. James' broad jump, in fact, bests the showings of Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski during their respective testing. We wouldn't be surprised if he runs in the 4.7s at Penn State's pro day, either. This is the rare inline tight end with athleticism.

Feb 20 - 2:49 PM

Penn State TE Jesse James "could get into the low 4.7s during his forty and over 35-inches on the vertical jump," reported TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline.

James measured in at 6-foot-7, 261 pounds at the combine with 33" arms and 9 3/8" hands. "Im told James has also run good shuttle times in training," Pauline added. We'd previously heard his 40 time reported at 4.78, with 27 reps of 225 pounds on the bench.

Source: TFY Draft Insider

Feb 19 - 7:41 PM

A weak 2015 tight end class could prompt underclassmen such as Penn State junior TE Jesse James to jump to the pros early, observed CBS Sports' Rob Rang.

James "showed the combination of size, agility and acceleration that project well to the NFL" in Saturday's performance against Maryland, which included five catches for 48 yards, according to Rang. "James isn't as powerful as a blocker as his size and reported weight room strength (27 reps of 225 pounds in a preseason charity event) suggest," the analyst wrote. "He's broad and competitive enough to seal off defenders but doesn't get much push at the line of scrimmage. However, James supplied a key downfield block to spring [QB Christian] Hackenberg for a 17-yard gain on Penn State's go-ahead fourth quarter scoring drive." The 6-foot-7, 254-pound junior runs a 4.78 forty.

Source: CBS Sports

Sun, Nov 2, 2014 01:24:00 PM

 

[DropKick]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

Cause he hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off. And that might continue. And I didn't say he is I said Kroft could push the spot.

All of the reports I saw on Eifert from this offseason have all been very positive. Not sure what you are talking about here.

Aren't all off season reports positive? "He's in the best shape of his career! He lost 10 pounds, he looks great! He gained 10 pounds, he looks great! We expect a big impact from <x> this year!".

 

[Faust]

Sources: Packers don't plan to release TE Andrew Quarless, despite arrest

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13211590/sources-green-bay-packers-plan-release-andrew-quarless-following-arrest-discharging-firearm-public

 

[Tau837]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

Cause he hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off. And that might continue. And I didn't say he is I said Kroft could push the spot.

All of the reports I saw on Eifert from this offseason have all been very positive. Not sure what you are talking about here.

Aren't all off season reports positive? "He's in the best shape of his career! He lost 10 pounds, he looks great! He gained 10 pounds, he looks great! We expect a big impact from <x> this year!".

Fine. Justify the statement that "Eifert hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off."

 

[Captain Hook]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

Well he can't block for starters .....

 

[Football Jones]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

Well he can't block for starters .....

Great athlete & I used to be fairly high on him, but something is missing. Maybe he just isn't a natural football player.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

Well he can't block for starters .....

They knew that when they signed him to start and play the move TE role.

 

[Pwingles]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

Well he can't block for starters .....

They knew that when they signed him to start and play the move TE role.

This. They brought him in to take over JCams role, not be an every down blocker

 

[cstu]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

Well he can't block for starters .....

Great athlete & I used to be fairly high on him, but something is missing. Maybe he just isn't a natural football player.

I used to blame his lack of production on Arians not using the TE much but after looking like he was getting it in 2013 he had fewer targets than Jaron Brown and Ted Ginn last year. Something doesn't add up.

 

[cstu]

Also, the Browns didn't show a lot of faith in him by signing him to a one year, $1.75M contract.

 

[TheFanatic]

Cincy brought in Kroft this year. Not immediately a threat, but Ben Mcdaniels, Josh Mcdaniels brother and OC for Rutgers was really high on Kroft. If he had slipped I think the Pats would have taken him instead of Derby a few rounds later.

He might push Eifert.

Eifert and Kroft don't really play the same position in the Bengals offense. However, if Kroft is ready to step into Greahams role as the inline blocking TE, that puts Eifert in the role he had planned the last 2 years. If he cannot, Eifert may see more snaps and way more blocking. I guess the best case for owners is Kroft is good enough to keep Eifert as the move TE most of the time, but Eifert improves his blocking to stay on the field in 1 TE sets.

Kroft is a prototypical TE who is an above average blocker and receiver. It's true Eifert is probably a better receiver but might not be as significant as people once believed.

Kroft is not pushing Eifert and I don't know why Eifert would be less significant than once believed.

Cause he hasn't looked good on the field in between his time off. And that might continue. And I didn't say he is I said Kroft could push the spot.

All of the reports I saw on Eifert from this offseason have all been very positive. Not sure what you are talking about here.

Exactly. And Eiffert is on a pretty typical timeline for even highly touted TE's. Having to learn to be both a receiver and a blocker really slows down a TE's early production. Add in the injury and he's still on a pretty standard pace to being a stud. Very few guys blow the doors off their rookie year. He hasn't looked good on the field so far? Neither do most TE's their first 2 years, plus he was injured for most of last year.

 

[Faust]

Tyler Eifert Healthy, Hungry For Third Season With Bengals

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) – Eight snaps.

That’s how many plays Tyler Eifert logged with the Cincinnati Bengals during the 2014 NFL season. A dislocated elbow ended Eifert’s campaign early in the second quarter of the Bengals’ season opener against the Ravens, but the Bishop Dwenger High School graduate says he’s both healthy and hungry heading into his third NFL season.

“I’m one hundred percent,” Eifert told WANE-TV. “I’m good to go. We just finished mini-camp and it felt good to be back out there running around. It feels good to be healthy again.”

Eifert was off to a fast start before the elbow injury. In those eight snaps Eifert tallied three catches for 37 yards and appeared on his way to earning an increased role in the Cincinnati offense. Eifert eventually had surgery to help repair the dislocation. He also underwent additional surgery to repair a labrum injury in his left shoulder that he had been playing through since hurting it in OTAs leading up to the season.

“I’m hoping for a big year,” said Eifert. “We have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. Hopefully we can put it together and I can be one of those pieces that helps us win games.”

After Cincinnati selected Eifert with the 21st pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the former Saints had a solid rookie season. He tallied 39 receptions for 445 yards and two touchdowns as a rookie, showing much promise while sharing targets with fellow tight end Jermaine Gresham, a 2010 first round pick and two-time Pro Bowler. Gresham was not re-signed after the 2014 season, leaving Eifert as the primary option for Cincinnati at the tight end position.

“I think it is a huge season,” Eifert said about his upcoming 2015 campaign. “The team has to figure out if they want to pick up my fifth-year option. You know, you’re at that point where you are getting closer to a second contract, so I need to start stringing some good seasons together.”

The Bengals open the 2015 regular season at Oakland on Sunday, September 13 in a game that will be televised by CBS.

It was a very small sample size; however, I do think that those 8 snaps provided a very positive glimpse on how the Bengals intended to utilize Eifert last year.

 

[petenice15]

Tyler Eifert Healthy, Hungry For Third Season With Bengals

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) Eight snaps.

Thats how many plays Tyler Eifert logged with the Cincinnati Bengals during the 2014 NFL season. A dislocated elbow ended Eiferts campaign early in the second quarter of the Bengals season opener against the Ravens, but the Bishop Dwenger High School graduate says hes both healthy and hungry heading into his third NFL season.

Im one hundred percent, Eifert told WANE-TV. Im good to go. We just finished mini-camp and it felt good to be back out there running around. It feels good to be healthy again.

Eifert was off to a fast start before the elbow injury. In those eight snaps Eifert tallied three catches for 37 yards and appeared on his way to earning an increased role in the Cincinnati offense. Eifert eventually had surgery to help repair the dislocation. He also underwent additional surgery to repair a labrum injury in his left shoulder that he had been playing through since hurting it in OTAs leading up to the season.

Im hoping for a big year, said Eifert. We have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. Hopefully we can put it together and I can be one of those pieces that helps us win games.

After Cincinnati selected Eifert with the 21st pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the former Saints had a solid rookie season. He tallied 39 receptions for 445 yards and two touchdowns as a rookie, showing much promise while sharing targets with fellow tight end Jermaine Gresham, a 2010 first round pick and two-time Pro Bowler. Gresham was not re-signed after the 2014 season, leaving Eifert as the primary option for Cincinnati at the tight end position.

I think it is a huge season, Eifert said about his upcoming 2015 campaign. The team has to figure out if they want to pick up my fifth-year option. You know, youre at that point where you are getting closer to a second contract, so I need to start stringing some good seasons together.

The Bengals open the 2015 regular season at Oakland on Sunday, September 13 in a game that will be televised by CBS.

It was a very small sample size; however, I do think that those 8 snaps provided a very positive glimpse on how the Bengals intended to utilize Eifert last year.

What if he had zero catches in those same 8 snaps? Would we be saying he's a bust? My point is those 8 snaps are completely irrelevant. Eifert has a chance to break out this year because of his talent, not because of 8 snaps.

 

[JFS171]

What's confusing to me, is how people lament Housler's crap situation for years, and yet there's not a peep when he signs as the starting TE on a team with few receivers, who needs to replace Cameron.

I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but there's no chatter about him...at all.

Well he can't block for starters .....

Great athlete & I used to be fairly high on him, but something is missing. Maybe he just isn't a natural football player.

I used to blame his lack of production on Arians not using the TE much but after looking like he was getting it in 2013 he had fewer targets than Jaron Brown and Ted Ginn last year. Something doesn't add up.

Not sure I'm following you here - both guys you referenced are WRs... Arians never throws to the TE, and, past that, Arians drafted Niklaus, not Housler.

Housler and Green are guys to keep an eye on this offseason if not toss on the end of your bench already and see what happens.

 

[Faust]

Tyler Eifert Healthy, Hungry For Third Season With Bengals

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) Eight snaps.

Thats how many plays Tyler Eifert logged with the Cincinnati Bengals during the 2014 NFL season. A dislocated elbow ended Eiferts campaign early in the second quarter of the Bengals season opener against the Ravens, but the Bishop Dwenger High School graduate says hes both healthy and hungry heading into his third NFL season.

Im one hundred percent, Eifert told WANE-TV. Im good to go. We just finished mini-camp and it felt good to be back out there running around. It feels good to be healthy again.

Eifert was off to a fast start before the elbow injury. In those eight snaps Eifert tallied three catches for 37 yards and appeared on his way to earning an increased role in the Cincinnati offense. Eifert eventually had surgery to help repair the dislocation. He also underwent additional surgery to repair a labrum injury in his left shoulder that he had been playing through since hurting it in OTAs leading up to the season.

Im hoping for a big year, said Eifert. We have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. Hopefully we can put it together and I can be one of those pieces that helps us win games.

After Cincinnati selected Eifert with the 21st pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the former Saints had a solid rookie season. He tallied 39 receptions for 445 yards and two touchdowns as a rookie, showing much promise while sharing targets with fellow tight end Jermaine Gresham, a 2010 first round pick and two-time Pro Bowler. Gresham was not re-signed after the 2014 season, leaving Eifert as the primary option for Cincinnati at the tight end position.

I think it is a huge season, Eifert said about his upcoming 2015 campaign. The team has to figure out if they want to pick up my fifth-year option. You know, youre at that point where you are getting closer to a second contract, so I need to start stringing some good seasons together.

The Bengals open the 2015 regular season at Oakland on Sunday, September 13 in a game that will be televised by CBS.

It was a very small sample size; however, I do think that those 8 snaps provided a very positive glimpse on how the Bengals intended to utilize Eifert last year.

What if he had zero catches in those same 8 snaps? Would we be saying he's a bust? My point is those 8 snaps are completely irrelevant. Eifert has a chance to break out this year because of his talent, not because of 8 snaps.

I am saying that 8 snaps is way too small of a sample size; however, I do think that it offered a potential glimpse at how they were possibly planning on utilizing Eifert last year. I wouldn't have said he was a bust if he had zero catches either.

I am also saying that it is Eifert's talent that led the Bengals to have the confidence to target him the way that they did on those 8 snaps, so that is why he is a prime candidate to 'break out' this year.

 

[Tau837]

Tyler Eifert Healthy, Hungry For Third Season With Bengals

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (WANE) Eight snaps.

Thats how many plays Tyler Eifert logged with the Cincinnati Bengals during the 2014 NFL season. A dislocated elbow ended Eiferts campaign early in the second quarter of the Bengals season opener against the Ravens, but the Bishop Dwenger High School graduate says hes both healthy and hungry heading into his third NFL season.

Im one hundred percent, Eifert told WANE-TV. Im good to go. We just finished mini-camp and it felt good to be back out there running around. It feels good to be healthy again.

Eifert was off to a fast start before the elbow injury. In those eight snaps Eifert tallied three catches for 37 yards and appeared on his way to earning an increased role in the Cincinnati offense. Eifert eventually had surgery to help repair the dislocation. He also underwent additional surgery to repair a labrum injury in his left shoulder that he had been playing through since hurting it in OTAs leading up to the season.

Im hoping for a big year, said Eifert. We have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. Hopefully we can put it together and I can be one of those pieces that helps us win games.

After Cincinnati selected Eifert with the 21st pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the former Saints had a solid rookie season. He tallied 39 receptions for 445 yards and two touchdowns as a rookie, showing much promise while sharing targets with fellow tight end Jermaine Gresham, a 2010 first round pick and two-time Pro Bowler. Gresham was not re-signed after the 2014 season, leaving Eifert as the primary option for Cincinnati at the tight end position.

I think it is a huge season, Eifert said about his upcoming 2015 campaign. The team has to figure out if they want to pick up my fifth-year option. You know, youre at that point where you are getting closer to a second contract, so I need to start stringing some good seasons together.

The Bengals open the 2015 regular season at Oakland on Sunday, September 13 in a game that will be televised by CBS.

It was a very small sample size; however, I do think that those 8 snaps provided a very positive glimpse on how the Bengals intended to utilize Eifert last year.

What if he had zero catches in those same 8 snaps? Would we be saying he's a bust? My point is those 8 snaps are completely irrelevant. Eifert has a chance to break out this year because of his talent, not because of 8 snaps.

I am saying that 8 snaps is way too small of a sample size; however, I do think that it offered a potential glimpse at how they were possibly planning on utilizing Eifert last year. I wouldn't have said he was a bust if he had zero catches either.

I am also saying that it is Eifert's talent that led the Bengals to have the confidence to target him the way that they did on those 8 snaps, so that is why he is a prime candidate to 'break out' this year.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

According to the Broncos' website, Owen Daniels and Virgil Green are "best viewed as a collective," and "could both end up with play counts that reflect being starters."

Most signs point to the Broncos becoming a two-tight end team under new coach Gary Kubiak, in large part to facilitate a more run-oriented offense. This would be a change from Denver's offenses under outgoing OC Adam Gase, which primarily leaned on three-receiver formations. Daniels is the better receiver, but Green could end up with as much or more playing time because of his superior in-line blocking ability. We suspect both Daniels and Green will be difficult to count on as week-to-week fantasy starters.

Related: Virgil Green

Source: denverbroncos.com
Jul 8 - 1:49 PM

 

[Faust]

Positional plight: Five low-cost TEs with upside

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

According to the Broncos' website, Owen Daniels and Virgil Green are "best viewed as a collective," and "could both end up with play counts that reflect being starters."

Most signs point to the Broncos becoming a two-tight end team under new coach Gary Kubiak, in large part to facilitate a more run-oriented offense. This would be a change from Denver's offenses under outgoing OC Adam Gase, which primarily leaned on three-receiver formations. Daniels is the better receiver, but Green could end up with as much or more playing time because of his superior in-line blocking ability. We suspect both Daniels and Green will be difficult to count on as week-to-week fantasy starters.

Related: Virgil Green

Source: denverbroncos.com
Jul 8 - 1:49 PM

Sound communistic and un-American. I disapprove.

 

[Faust]

Can Buffalo become 'Tight End Heaven?'

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/07/09/can-buffalo-become-tight-end-heaven/

 

[Blackjacks]

I also posted this in his thread

Austin Seferian-Jenkins - TE - Buccaneers
Pewter Reporter says TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins was "virtually uncoverable" during offseason OTAs and minicamps.
Seferian-Jenkins' rookie year was stunted by a college foot injury, and subsequent issues with his conditioning, back and ankle. Now the 6'5/262 mountain of a man is fully healthy and is playing in a Dirk Koetter scheme that has previously squeezed a career year out of Marcedes Lewis and heavily utilized Tony Gonzalez. ASJ also gets a quarterback upgrade in the form of Jameis Winston, who targeted TE Nick O'Leary a nation-high 73 times at Florida State last year. Mount Seferian has a reasonable amount of sleeper appeal as a flier available in the 11th- to 14th-round range.

 

[karmarooster]

Can Buffalo become 'Tight End Heaven?'

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/07/09/can-buffalo-become-tight-end-heaven/

tl;dr = "No."

I'll just put this here: https://twitter.com/PFF/status/619967886086553600

I've not seen a TE run like that after the catch since his name who we no longer mention do the (multitude of) homicide(s) he committed beyond a reasonable doubt.