A little help (1 Viewer)

[m_sell31]

Ok I'm the commish of a 14 team league that keeps 15 of 22 players each year. Way back when we decided that if a manager kept a player who retired he would be awarded an extra pick in the 7 round rookie/free agent draft (no highter than end of the third round to the last pick of the 7th round). I know this probably sounds kind of stupid but its what we started and can't agree on how to change it so it continues. Anyway I look at each retirey and assign a round to them based on how I though the player would preform this year, if I think the manager made a wise choice keeping the player in the first place(one guy kept the wizzinator so he only gets last pick of the 7th round). Anyway after i make assign the picks I poll the league on if they think they are good or should be modified. Obviously the guy who is getting the pick thinks he should get a gighter one.

Anyway, Jimmy Smith is the player we are arguing about. The higest pick ever reawrded was the 3rd round pick for Shannon Sharpe when he abruptly retired. When we retired he was rated the #3 overall TE for the upcomming season, a pretty hard player to replace so I gave the 3rd rounder.

Based on the fact that Jimmy, #21 overall WR last year in our league, outscored most of the top 5 TE's last season (all but gates i think) he believes he deserves the highest pick availible. There are 3 comparable WR's availible in the free agent draft that put up very similar numbers last year and he is not even beginign to consider the fact that smiths numbers would have probably declined even more this season. I tried explaining the fact that replacing the #3 rated player at a position is alot harder than replacing a player rated #30 (where i think he would fall in out league if he played) at his position.

What do you guys think, should he get the 3rd rounder or am i right giving the 4th?

 

[Power Monster]

Based on what your league has decided I think the 4th rounder will do just fine...

 

[code]

I think that rule is terrible and you need some kind of absolute criteria like points scored or value over last starter or something, to take the subjective nature out of the equation...usually you want to point to precedence, but since precedence is already subjective I say throw it out the window...determine an objective criteria you are happy with as commish and apply it across the board...

 

[m_sell31]

I think that rule is terrible and you need some kind of absolute criteria like points scored or value over last starter or something, to take the subjective nature out of the equation...usually you want to point to precedence, but since precedence is already subjective I say throw it out the window...determine an objective criteria you are happy with as commish and apply it across the board...

I'm not the kind fo commish who foces things on the league just to be a ####. Thats not what this league was builtt on and its a really good league. We have some ideas we are playing with but none has more than 2 or 3 supporters in a 14 team league , hardly a consensus. I stated that most would not like the idea and agree it is not ideal but its what i havew to deal with as of now. It really only affects 2 or 3 players who retire a year. So back to the actualy question, consider the 3rd rounder or stick with the 4th? I don't need any more posts on how the system sucks, i already know that.

 

[mozzy84]

I actually think a 3rd sounds fair myself. No way the 3 comparable wide outs will be there in the 3rd.

 

[m_sell31]

I actually think a 3rd sounds fair myself. No way the 3 comparable wide outs will be there in the 3rd.

Its not about giving hima pick that will replace the player, he would need an early second round pick to do it. The extra pick is just to fill out his roster, giving him his full 15 players. The year Sharpe retired there wasnt a pick in the rookie/Fa draft that would have replaced him.

 

[code]

My point was only that a rule based on subjective criteria will never be absolutely supportable...you will always leave the opportunity for someone to claim unfairness in the decision...

Rather than "forcing" a rule on the league, I believe selecting some objective criteria would actually be the most equitable solution to this problem...

 

[m_sell31]

code Posted Today, 12:45 PM

My point was only that a rule based on subjective criteria will never be absolutely supportable...you will always leave the opportunity for someone to claim unfairness in the decision...

Rather than "forcing" a rule on the league, I believe selecting some objective criteria would actually be the most equitable solution to this problem...

I already knew this and we are working on it, all I want to know is whch pick people think is the best fit. Nothing more.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Ok I'm the commish of a 14 team league that keeps 15 of 22 players each year. Way back when we decided that if a manager kept a player who retired he would be awarded an extra pick in the 7 round rookie/free agent draft (no highter than end of the third round to the last pick of the 7th round). I know this probably sounds kind of stupid but its what we started and can't agree on how to change it so it continues. Anyway I look at each retirey and assign a round to them based on how I though the player would preform this year, if I think the manager made a wise choice keeping the player in the first place(one guy kept the wizzinator so he only gets last pick of the 7th round). Anyway after i make assign the picks I poll the league on if they think they are good or should be modified. Obviously the guy who is getting the pick thinks he should get a gighter one.

Anyway, Jimmy Smith is the player we are arguing about. The higest pick ever reawrded was the 3rd round pick for Shannon Sharpe when he abruptly retired. When we retired he was rated the #3 overall TE for the upcomming season, a pretty hard player to replace so I gave the 3rd rounder.

Based on the fact that Jimmy, #21 overall WR last year in our league, outscored most of the top 5 TE's last season (all but gates i think) he believes he deserves the highest pick availible. There are 3 comparable WR's availible in the free agent draft that put up very similar numbers last year and he is not even beginign to consider the fact that smiths numbers would have probably declined even more this season. I tried explaining the fact that replacing the #3 rated player at a position is alot harder than replacing a player rated #30 (where i think he would fall in out league if he played) at his position.

What do you guys think, should he get the 3rd rounder or am i right giving the 4th?

The 4th is more than fair.Right after that I would eliminate this rule - why compensate for a retired player? Do you compensate for an injured one also? Part of being in a keeper league is considering this issue when drafting players.

 

[Dave Stauff]

What are you giving the owner of Priest Holmes?

 

[m_sell31]

The 4th is more than fair.

Right after that I would eliminate this rule - why compensate for a retired player? Do you compensate for an injured one also? Part of being in a keeper league is considering this issue when drafting players.

Your right it is a stupid rule. The reason it came about is that when we started the league we decided that it would be cool to have to subit our keepers by one week after the superbowl instead of this time of year when things are alot more certain. The theory was that this would be more interesting because you may be keeping players who end up on another team or may end up being replaced, it makes you think alot longer and harder about who to keep. Well by doing this you have players get kept that may retire a few years before you though they would or get suspended, ect. When the first rookie/FA draft rolled around there were 3 or 4 players that were kept that were no longer in the NFL. Afew managers came up with the idea of compensation picks so that each team starts with 15 players. It sounded fair enough at the time. In retrospect i never would have started it. Now someone is going to lose a pick if we discontinue it and no one wants to get screwed so we are forced to try to adapt it. Right now the only i dea so far was to put all the comp picks inbetween one round say maybe the end of the 5th or end of the 6th, but there is alot of disagreement on that as well.

 

[m_sell31]

What are you giving the owner of Priest Holmes?

this will probably sound crazy but most guys said he should get a 5th round pick because keeping him knowing he could never play again was a major risk.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

What are you giving the owner of Priest Holmes?

this will probably sound crazy but most guys said he should get a 5th round pick because keeping him knowing he could never play again was a major risk.

If the owner of Priest is an ##### he could really make a stink.if Jimmy Smith is a 4th then Priest is a 2nd.

 

[Capt Hook]

what does it really matter what we think?

That doesn't mean you can sell it to your league

Why not just let the league vote on it - give them choices and point out which one you feel is appropriate but let them choose.

 

[m_sell31]

what does it really matter what we think?

That doesn't mean you can sell it to your league

Why not just let the league vote on it - give them choices and point out which one you feel is appropriate but let them choose.

already done that. The manager is still unhappy though and said we should get an outside mediator, so I though i would poll the FBG's message board.

 

[bucki4life]

How early do you have to declare your keepers??? We can keep up to 8 in our league and don't submit our lists until July 31st, so we know what's up.

After that we have a supplemental round to our draft to get everyone up to the 8 player threshold (in case they decided to keep fewer than 8). Rookies are not allowed to be selected in this round so it's only the guys that are free agents or were thrown back on the pile from other teams.

To answer your question though, I'd give the guy a 3rd round pick and be happy that he didn't want more!

 

[m_sell31]

How early do you have to declare your keepers??? We can keep up to 8 in our league and don't submit our lists until July 31st, so we know what's up.

After that we have a supplemental round to our draft to get everyone up to the 8 player threshold (in case they decided to keep fewer than 8). Rookies are not allowed to be selected in this round so it's only the guys that are free agents or were thrown back on the pile from other teams.

To answer your question though, I'd give the guy a 3rd round pick and be happy that he didn't want more!

as previously stated we submit by around feb. 1st. Also previously stated was the fact that the higest possible was a 3rd rounder and that the pick is simply to fill out the managers roster, in no way is suppposed to replace the player, just balance the numbers. Its not a good system but this was our first time in a dynasty league.