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[Sinrman]

5038 passing yards

With over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.

THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have never

had that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.

I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

 

[gianmarco]

5038 passing yardsWith over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have neverhad that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

Very impressive indeed

 

[Fensalk]

Brady

Peyton Manning

Roethlisbeger

Rivers

Rodgers

Stafford

Brees

Newton

8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

 

[Grahamburn]

The passing numbers should continue to be pretty gaudy with the current rules system in place. Impressive seasons from all of these players, and I expect most teams that won fantasy championships this year had one of those QBs.

 

[shadyridr]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

 

[ThePittbully]

I think if you're going to count Big Ben as a Franchise QB you gotta count Eli too

 

[Txns8]

5038 passing yardsWith over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have neverhad that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

Yet not Pro Bowl worthy....

 

[Fensalk]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

 

[jon_mx]

5038 passing yardsWith over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have neverhad that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

Yet not Pro Bowl worthy....

Well he is no Greg Landry.

 

[rizzler]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

 

[shadyridr]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

oh come on. ill ignor your posts from now on

 

[shadyridr]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

pure lunacy

 

[jon_mx]

I think if you're going to count Big Ben as a Franchise QB you gotta count Eli too

Big Ben >>> Eli. Now if you said Rivers, you could make a case.

 

[shadyridr]

I think if you're going to count Big Ben as a Franchise QB you gotta count Eli too

Big Ben >>> Eli. Now if you said Rivers, you could make a case.

i think big ben is better than eli (not by that many arrows however lol ) but i also think eli has surpassed rivers this year into the top 5 qb category

 

[Fensalk]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

Eli doesn't have the regular reason numbers, which is obvious.Eli also does not have the postseason numbers. His record is 4-3, 58% completion percentage, 8 TDs to 7 INTs. Everyone else has either significant regular season numbers, sterling postseason record, or both.

 

[Fensalk]

Ben Roethlisberger is 10-3 in the postseason. That's crazy. I think that ranks second to Joe Montana. Also 3 super bowl appearances. That franchise is so much better than when Kordell or Maddox was at the controls.

 

[shadyridr]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

Eli doesn't have the regular reason numbers, which is obvious.Eli also does not have the postseason numbers. His record is 4-3, 58% completion percentage, 8 TDs to 7 INTs. Everyone else has either significant regular season numbers, sterling postseason record, or both.

wtf?three consecutive seasons over 4000 yds including nearly 5000 this yr, seven consecutive seasons over 20 tds, including 27+ the last 3 yrs, never missed a game due to injury. yeah those arent good reg season numbers

 

[Native]

Agree with the OP that Stafford has had a remarkable season. 5000 Yards, 41 TDs (not to mention ten wins for the Lions and a playoff birth!) add up to an all time great season.

Gotta love what Stafford brings to the Lions. Hes a tough, hard-working QB with tremendous leadership skills and all the physical skills to be elite. Clearly he possesses the arm. This year, hes been much more consistent as his completion percentage was up to ~64% this year. Very happy for Detroit fans.

 

[rizzler]

Eli doesn't have the regular reason numbers, which is obvious.Eli also does not have the postseason numbers. His record is 4-3, 58% completion percentage, 8 TDs to 7 INTs. Everyone else has either significant regular season numbers, sterling postseason record, or both.

Speak into Eli's right ear... his left one is plugged by his superbowl ring

 

[Fensalk]

Eli Manning is one bad playoff game away from throwing more INTs and TDs in the postseason.

 

[Fensalk]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

Eli doesn't have the regular reason numbers, which is obvious.Eli also does not have the postseason numbers. His record is 4-3, 58% completion percentage, 8 TDs to 7 INTs. Everyone else has either significant regular season numbers, sterling postseason record, or both.

wtf?three consecutive seasons over 4000 yds including nearly 5000 this yr, seven consecutive seasons over 20 tds, including 27+ the last 3 yrs, never missed a game due to injury. yeah those arent good reg season numbers

I didn't say his numbers weren't good. I don't think his numbers are franchise-caliber. Eli Manning is a very good QB. If you ask me "Is he a franchise QB?" I have my doubts. And if I have any doubts, I immediately dismiss him.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I think if you're going to count Big Ben as a Franchise QB you gotta count Eli too

Big Ben >>> Eli. Now if you said Rivers, you could make a case.

i think big ben is better than eli (not by that many arrows however lol ) but i also think eli has surpassed rivers this year into the top 5 qb category

Rivers has 3 seasons in the past 4 that are better than any season by Eli in his career. This has pretty well been the first season that Eli has played better than Rivers in his career. I'm not ready to say Eli is better on Rivers based on one year.

 

[rizzler]

Eli Manning is one bad playoff game away from throwing more INTs and TDs in the postseason.

and newton, stafford and rivers are 4 consecutive playoff wins from a SB

 

[Fensalk]

Eli Manning is one bad playoff game away from throwing more INTs and TDs in the postseason.

and newton, stafford and rivers are 4 consecutive playoff wins from a SB

Newton had a ridiculous rookie season. If any QB ever got tagged a franchise QB after 1 year, its him.Stafford had a hell of a 2011.Rivers put up much better numbers than Eli for several years. More yards, less INTs. Eli Mannning led the league in INTs twice (2007, 2010). He's led the league a couple of times in one of the worst categories, and doesn't have the postseason numbers to offset that.

 

[shadyridr]

I think if you're going to count Big Ben as a Franchise QB you gotta count Eli too

Big Ben >>> Eli. Now if you said Rivers, you could make a case.

i think big ben is better than eli (not by that many arrows however lol ) but i also think eli has surpassed rivers this year into the top 5 qb category

Rivers has 3 seasons in the past 4 that are better than any season by Eli in his career. This has pretty well been the first season that Eli has played better than Rivers in his career. I'm not ready to say Eli is better on Rivers based on one year.

Eli has a Super Bowl ring

 

[jon_mx]

The top five QB I would want as my starting QB

Brady

Brees

Rogers

Stafford

Big Ben

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

5038 passing yards

With over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.

THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have never

had that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.

I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

Precisely why Brees's record has to be discounted some.Not to take away from Stafford. He's exceptional.

 

[Sweet Love]

The top five QB I would want as my starting QB BradyBreesRogersStaffordBig Ben

...and I really think it should end there. "Franchise" should be special and when you start listing more than 20% of the league's starting QBs, it really diminishes it...in fact, I think you could pare that list down to three (Rodgers, Brady and Brees) as I think there is enough of a differentiation between them and the other two. But would Ben and Stafford fit that "franchise" definition, yes they would.Playing Devil's Advocate here, with the way Flynn lit it up yesterday, could/should that tarnish the view we have about Rodgers?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I think if you're going to count Big Ben as a Franchise QB you gotta count Eli too

Big Ben >>> Eli. Now if you said Rivers, you could make a case.

i think big ben is better than eli (not by that many arrows however lol ) but i also think eli has surpassed rivers this year into the top 5 qb category

Rivers has 3 seasons in the past 4 that are better than any season by Eli in his career. This has pretty well been the first season that Eli has played better than Rivers in his career. I'm not ready to say Eli is better on Rivers based on one year.

Eli has a Super Bowl ring

Indeed he does. That doesn't make him a better QB then Philip Rivers though.

 

[Fensalk]

The top five QB I would want as my starting QB BradyBreesRogersStaffordBig Ben

...and I really think it should end there. "Franchise" should be special and when you start listing more than 20% of the league's starting QBs, it really diminishes it...in fact, I think you could pare that list down to three (Rodgers, Brady and Brees) as I think there is enough of a differentiation between them and the other two. But would Ben and Stafford fit that "franchise" definition, yes they would.Playing Devil's Advocate here, with the way Flynn lit it up yesterday, could/should that tarnish the view we have about Rodgers?

I don't think there is a set number of franchise QBs at any one time.There's quite a few at the moment but in 2-3 more years, Peyton Manning and Brady will drop off list. Maybe Roethlisberger too if the injuries and concussions pile up.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

No Alex Smith?

 

[ClownDogs]

The top five QB I would want as my starting QB BradyBreesRogersStaffordBig Ben

...and I really think it should end there. "Franchise" should be special and when you start listing more than 20% of the league's starting QBs, it really diminishes it...in fact, I think you could pare that list down to three (Rodgers, Brady and Brees) as I think there is enough of a differentiation between them and the other two. But would Ben and Stafford fit that "franchise" definition, yes they would.Playing Devil's Advocate here, with the way Flynn lit it up yesterday, could/should that tarnish the view we have about Rodgers?

I agree that the list should be short. Some people tend to let fantasy football stats get in the way of a true franchise QB. Brady is a no brainer. Peyton is a no brainer after indy's year. Ben is a no brainer, 2 sb wins and 3 appearances. Brees/Rodgers would be the last two i would put in that tier. Rivers just doesn't have the "it" factor imo to win. Newton could join this group, but anointing him franchise after one season might be a tad premature, although i can understand the argument. Stafford had an absolute amazing year, but just would like to see him do it more than just one year and see how he does when playoff time rolls around.

 

[ConfusedRealist]

It helps when defenses aren't allowed to play defense and literally every single offensive number gets inflated, especially the passing numbers.

 

[ckalltheway]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

 

[Sinrman]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

 

[Disc Shark]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Whose Pro Bowl spot does Stafford take? Rogers'? Brees'?I love Stafford. He's a special player on an exciting team, but he was 3d best in the NFC this year, and he was closely followed by Newton.

 

[ClownDogs]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Whose Pro Bowl spot does Stafford take? Rogers'? Brees'?I love Stafford. He's a special player on an exciting team, but he was 3d best in the NFC this year, and he was closely followed by Newton.

I would put stafford over eli or let him play on the AFC side.

 

[Disc Shark]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Whose Pro Bowl spot does Stafford take? Rogers'? Brees'?I love Stafford. He's a special player on an exciting team, but he was 3d best in the NFC this year, and he was closely followed by Newton.

I would put stafford over eli or let him play on the AFC side.

I'd also put him in over Eli, and the AFC does need some help.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Whose Pro Bowl spot does Stafford take? Rogers'? Brees'?I love Stafford. He's a special player on an exciting team, but he was 3d best in the NFC this year, and he was closely followed by Newton.

Over Eli Manning and over Cam Newton (3rd QB and 1st Alternate).Today a staff member rated all twelve playoff teams, and in the group that included both the Giants and Lions, stated New York had the best passing team. When I put up the numbers, his rebuttal was congrats on making the playoffs.

 

[jon_mx]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Whose Pro Bowl spot does Stafford take? Rogers'? Brees'?I love Stafford. He's a special player on an exciting team, but he was 3d best in the NFC this year, and he was closely followed by Newton.

Over Eli Manning and over Cam Newton (3rd QB and 1st Alternate).Today a staff member rated all twelve playoff teams, and in the group that included both the Giants and Lions, stated New York had the best passing team. When I put up the numbers, his rebuttal was congrats on making the playoffs.

The only passing category the Giants exceed or tie the Lions on is throwing interceptions.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dead even in total interceptions - Manning and Stafford both had 16 - but on a percentage basis or Attempts per interception, Stafford leads.

The one passing stat battle the Giants win are efficiency related (YPA, NYPA, QBR).

 

[shadyridr]

The top five QB I would want as my starting QB BradyBreesRogersStaffordBig Ben

...and I really think it should end there. "Franchise" should be special and when you start listing more than 20% of the league's starting QBs, it really diminishes it...in fact, I think you could pare that list down to three (Rodgers, Brady and Brees) as I think there is enough of a differentiation between them and the other two. But would Ben and Stafford fit that "franchise" definition, yes they would.Playing Devil's Advocate here, with the way Flynn lit it up yesterday, could/should that tarnish the view we have about Rodgers?

what youre describing is elite... ie hof qbs. the range of franchise qbs is broader imo

 

[jon_mx]

Dead even in total interceptions - Manning and Stafford both had 16 - but on a percentage basis or Attempts per interception, Stafford leads.The one passing stat battle the Giants win are efficiency related (YPA, NYPA, QBR).

Stafford has a better QB Rating though.

 

[shadyridr]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Whose Pro Bowl spot does Stafford take? Rogers'? Brees'?I love Stafford. He's a special player on an exciting team, but he was 3d best in the NFC this year, and he was closely followed by Newton.

I would put stafford over eli or let him play on the AFC side.

when pro bowl voting closed eli and stafford were neck and neck in stats. since then stafford had three monster games and eli had two duds.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dead even in total interceptions - Manning and Stafford both had 16 - but on a percentage basis or Attempts per interception, Stafford leads.The one passing stat battle the Giants win are efficiency related (YPA, NYPA, QBR).

Stafford has a better QB Rating though.

Dude, Passing Rating is so 1971. Did you not get the preseason memo from Bristol?QBR is the new thing, dude.

 

[jon_mx]

Most TDs in a Season

1 Tom Brady New England Patriots 50 2007

2 Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts 49 2004

3 Dan Marino Miami Dolphins 48 1984

4 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers 45 2011

5 Dan Marino Miami Dolphins 44 1986

6 Drew Brees New Orleans Saints 42 2011

7 Kurt Warner St. Louis Rams 41 1999

8 Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions 40 2011

 

[BobbyLayne]

Pretty sure it's 41 TDs, but how do like that...4th most passing yards ever, 8th most TDs ever (92 years of NFL history)

2nd Alternate to the Pro Bowl, e.g., your peers and the fans think you're the 5th best QB in the NFC.

 

[cstu]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

The great thing about Stafford is his age (24 next year) - only a year older than Cam (23).

 

[qimqam]

Brady

Peyton Manning

Roethlisbeger

Rivers

Rodgers

Stafford

Brees

Newton

8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

But Newton and Stafford with 1 good year under their belts are no doubters

 

[qimqam]

Dead even in total interceptions - Manning and Stafford both had 16 - but on a percentage basis or Attempts per interception, Stafford leads.The one passing stat battle the Giants win are efficiency related (YPA, NYPA, QBR).

Stafford has a better QB Rating though.

And Calvin Johnson