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[ClownDogs]

Brady

Peyton Manning

Roethlisbeger

Rivers

Rodgers

Stafford

Brees

Newton

8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

But Newton and Stafford with 1 good year under their belts are no doubters

One good year does NOT make a franchise QB imo. On the verge? sure, but by no means are they "no doubters"

 

[stugnut]

I wonder if, 25 years from now, we look back and count the number of QB's that passed for 5,000 yards and 40+ TD's, how many of those QB's did not make the ProBowl? I would not be shocked if Stafford is the only one on that list.

 

[shadyridr]

I wonder if, 25 years from now, we look back and count the number of QB's that passed for 5,000 yards and 40+ TD's, how many of those QB's did not make the ProBowl? I would not be shocked if Stafford is the only one on that list.

you guys realize QBs will bow out either due to injuries or QBs making the Super Bowl. Id be stunned if Stafford doesnt eventually get names

 

[cstu]

Brady

Peyton Manning

Roethlisbeger

Rivers

Rodgers

Stafford

Brees

Newton

8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

But Newton and Stafford with 1 good year under their belts are no doubters

One good year does NOT make a franchise QB imo. On the verge? sure, but by no means are they "no doubters"

I suppose Stafford could be another Culpepper, but this is a pretty good list to be on.

 

[gsmayes]

I wonder if, 25 years from now, we look back and count the number of QB's that passed for 5,000 yards and 40+ TD's, how many of those QB's did not make the ProBowl? I would not be shocked if Stafford is the only one on that list.

you guys realize QBs will bow out either due to injuries or QBs making the Super Bowl. Id be stunned if Stafford doesnt eventually get names

playing in the game is irrelevant. being named is what matters.

 

[Sabertooth]

Put Jay Cutler in that same system and he produces similar results.

 

[shadyridr]

I wonder if, 25 years from now, we look back and count the number of QB's that passed for 5,000 yards and 40+ TD's, how many of those QB's did not make the ProBowl? I would not be shocked if Stafford is the only one on that list.

you guys realize QBs will bow out either due to injuries or QBs making the Super Bowl. Id be stunned if Stafford doesnt eventually get names

playing in the game is irrelevant. being named is what matters.

umm if Stafford eventually plays in the Pro Bowl it will be considered the same designation so he wouldnt be eligible for "did not make the Pro Bowl"

 

[cstu]

Brady

Peyton Manning

Roethlisbeger

Rivers

Rodgers

Stafford

Brees

Newton

8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

But Newton and Stafford with 1 good year under their belts are no doubters

Eli is a good QB, hard to deny that about a guy who consistently puts up 24-31 TD's a year and has won a SB. However, he has a career interception percentage of 3.3% which is 50% higher than Brady's and higher that all the QB's listed above except Stafford and Newton (both have 3.3% but Stafford's is thrown off by his rookie year and of course Cam is a rookie). Personally, I consider Eli a franchise QB but he's not quite an elite one.

 

[beaux]

Agree with the OP that Stafford has had a remarkable season. 5000 Yards, 41 TDs (not to mention ten wins for the Lions and a playoff birth!) add up to an all time great season.

BERTH, not birth. The playoffs weren't born.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Put Jay Cutler in that same system and he produces similar results.

Your fishing trip is kind of stale.

 

[stugnut]

Brady

Peyton Manning

Roethlisbeger

Rivers

Rodgers

Stafford

Brees

Newton

8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

But Newton and Stafford with 1 good year under their belts are no doubters

One good year does NOT make a franchise QB imo. On the verge? sure, but by no means are they "no doubters"

I suppose Stafford could be another Culpepper, but this is a pretty good list to be on.

They got his TD total wrong...

 

[Sabertooth]

Put Jay Cutler in that same system and he produces similar results.

Your fishing trip is kind of stale.

How is that fishing? I don't like either team. I'm a Packer fan. Cutler is every bit the QB that Stafford is. I really respect his game. Stafford is very good as well but he seems to get a huge bonus from throwing to the best WR in the game. Who does Cutler have? Roy Williams?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Put Jay Cutler in that same system and he produces similar results.

Your fishing trip is kind of stale.

How is that fishing? I don't like either team. I'm a Packer fan. Cutler is every bit the QB that Stafford is. I really respect his game. Stafford is very good as well but he seems to get a huge bonus from throwing to the best WR in the game. Who does Cutler have? Roy Williams?

 

[Sabertooth]

Put Jay Cutler in that same system and he produces similar results.

Your fishing trip is kind of stale.

How is that fishing? I don't like either team. I'm a Packer fan. Cutler is every bit the QB that Stafford is. I really respect his game. Stafford is very good as well but he seems to get a huge bonus from throwing to the best WR in the game. Who does Cutler have? Roy Williams?

ok. It's a valid question.

 

[jon_mx]

Put Jay Cutler in that same system and he produces similar results.

Your fishing trip is kind of stale.

How is that fishing? I don't like either team. I'm a Packer fan. Cutler is every bit the QB that Stafford is. I really respect his game. Stafford is very good as well but he seems to get a huge bonus from throwing to the best WR in the game. Who does Cutler have? Roy Williams?

Put Culter or Flynn in the Packers offense and they are MVP.

 

[Scooby1974]

Stafford had a tremendous year. I'm excited to see what will happen when Detroit finds a healthy RB to help sustain drives and make some catches out of the backfield. Brees benefits from Sproles. Brady benefits from BJGE and passing out of the backfield. Green Bay gives Rodgers about 15 seconds of protection per play to pick everyone apart.

 

[Sabertooth]

Stafford had a tremendous year. I'm excited to see what will happen when Detroit finds a healthy RB to help sustain drives and make some catches out of the backfield. Brees benefits from Sproles. Brady benefits from BJGE and passing out of the backfield. Green Bay gives Rodgers about 15 seconds of protection per play to pick everyone apart.

Detroit is a team that has been building the right way. No big flashy stuff. They may have whiffed on Fairley, but maybe not. Wasn't he hurt when they drafted him? If he can become 75% of Suh, they are going to have a fantastic base. They are moving forward incrementally, learning how to win one game at a time. Schwartz is good. But he isn't very mature yet and that may hurt him. He still acts like "one of the guys" a bit too much and familiarity breeds contempt sometimes so we'll have to see how that plays out. It didn't work for Raheem Morris. It did work for Mike Tomlin so that jury is out on Schwartz.Stafford has a #######g cannon though. I hope he continues to grow, they are my second favorite team living in Michigan (albeit 120 miles for Green Bay).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

pure lunacy

sorry eli ain't a franchise qb. If you define it as a guy you wanna build a franchise around. Eli is a shade higher than Trent Dilfer the list most effective average qbs who have super bowl rings when paired with menacing defenses.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Eli would be 2nd alternate if he weren't named "manning".

 

[Sabertooth]

Stafford not going to the Pro Bowl is a crime. A lot of things can be argued about Pro Bowl selections but that's ridiculous. Just let the coaches and GMs vote from now on.

Eli would be 2nd alternate if he weren't named "manning".

Once you get used to winning playoff games, these other awards won't bother you so much. Welcome to the dance Lion's fans. Been a long time.

 

[teh_jab]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, with the way Flynn lit it up yesterday, could/should that tarnish the view we have about Rodgers?

c'mon man, i know you included him in your list of top three franchise quarterbacks, and are only playing devil's advocate, but that's not fair. rodgers has proven himself last year and this year. there isn't a team outside of the saints, pats, and maybe colts who wouldn't want rodgers to be there quarterback.but continuing the game, with stafford also breaking the 5,000 yds barrier in his "first full" season, could/should that tarnish brees's or brady's accomplishments this year? in the same way that your question (many others ask the same question) asks if rodgers is over-rated or a system qb, stafford's accomplishments in his first "full" season could also put into question the significance of the single season yardage record. i would argue no, stafford is a special player and his stats backup the claim. ditto with rodgers.

 

[kolejo]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

Cutler no doubt made his way on to this list this year, him going down made the Bears go from team nobody wants to play to laughing stock of the league along with the Forte injury

 

[firstseason1988]

5038 passing yardsWith over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have neverhad that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

Glad I targeted him in later rounds of all 3 of my redrafts. I won 2 of them.

 

[Grahamburn]

Dead even in total interceptions - Manning and Stafford both had 16 - but on a percentage basis or Attempts per interception, Stafford leads.The one passing stat battle the Giants win are efficiency related (YPA, NYPA, QBR).

Stafford has a better QB Rating though.

And Calvin Johnson

Eli's targets aren't exactly lacking in talent.

 

[gmbacm]

5038 passing yardsWith over 500+ yards passing in yesterday's loss, Stafford went over 5000 on the year. Yet no one is talking about it because Brady and Brees did it, too.THIS is why the Lions drafted him (and proved people like me wrong). Keep him upright, and he has shown what he can do. 40 passing TDs?! We have neverhad that kind of production from a QB. Not even close.I'm not too optimistic about round 1 of the playoffs, but hey, we finally made it back in, and the future looks bright!

Yet not Pro Bowl worthy....

This is terrible IMO. There have been what - 4 people to ever pass for 5000 yards in NFL history, and its not probowl worthy?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Unless you think someone other than Green Bay or New Orleans or NYG are going to the super bowl he's pretty much a lock to be in the pro bowl.

 

[Reepicheep]

Stafford had a phenominal year. It's a shame he had a bum hand in the Packers' first meeting and Rodgers' didn't play in the second - looking forward to watching these two ball for years to come.

The Pro Bowl is a joke as usual - you're always going to end up with situations like this. Pro Bowl voting is all about the first 2/3 of the season plus seniority/reputation. Just the way it goes. Rodgers' didn't make the pro bowl last year.

 

[ConfusedRealist]

The Pro Bowl is a joke as usual - you're always going to end up with situations like this. Pro Bowl voting is all about the first 2/3 of the season plus seniority/reputation. Just the way it goes. Rodgers' didn't make the pro bowl last year.

You want them to issue the ability to see into the future along with the ballots next year or....?

 

[Ilov80s]

Stafford had a tremendous year. I'm excited to see what will happen when Detroit finds a healthy RB to help sustain drives and make some catches out of the backfield. Brees benefits from Sproles. Brady benefits from BJGE and passing out of the backfield. Green Bay gives Rodgers about 15 seconds of protection per play to pick everyone apart.

Detroit is a team that has been building the right way. No big flashy stuff. They may have whiffed on Fairley, but maybe not. Wasn't he hurt when they drafted him? If he can become 75% of Suh, they are going to have a fantastic base. They are moving forward incrementally, learning how to win one game at a time. Schwartz is good. But he isn't very mature yet and that may hurt him. He still acts like "one of the guys" a bit too much and familiarity breeds contempt sometimes so we'll have to see how that plays out. It didn't work for Raheem Morris. It did work for Mike Tomlin so that jury is out on Schwartz.Stafford has a #######g cannon though. I hope he continues to grow, they are my second favorite team living in Michigan (albeit 120 miles for Green Bay).

No way Fairley is a whiff. He has battled injury, but the few times he has been healthy this year, he has been good. He was on the verge of taking over the Saints game before he re-hurt his foot.

 

[Reepicheep]

The Pro Bowl is a joke as usual - you're always going to end up with situations like this. Pro Bowl voting is all about the first 2/3 of the season plus seniority/reputation. Just the way it goes. Rodgers' didn't make the pro bowl last year.

You want them to issue the ability to see into the future along with the ballots next year or....?

Or maybe just move the voting until after week 17 so such fantastic measures aren't necessary. Whichever the NFL finds more convenient. But honestly if they canned the whole thing I wouldn't miss it.

 

[babydemon90]

It helps when defenses aren't allowed to play defense and literally every single offensive number gets inflated, especially the passing numbers.

"NFL Single-Season Longest Pass Leaders" doesn't seem to be inflated too much.

 

[Yenrub]

Timing is everything. Didn’t Pro Bowl voting close about 3 weeks ago?

Stafford put up insane numbers over the last 3 weeks 12 TD’s and 1,284 yards

Three weeks ago Eli and Stafford’s numbers looked like this

Eli – 4,105 yards and 25 TD’s

Stafford – 3,754 yards and 29 TD’s

 

[shadyridr]

Timing is everything. Didn’t Pro Bowl voting close about 3 weeks ago?Stafford put up insane numbers over the last 3 weeks 12 TD’s and 1,284 yardsThree weeks ago Eli and Stafford’s numbers looked like thisEli – 4,105 yards and 25 TD’sStafford – 3,754 yards and 29 TD’s

Plus Eli was in the MVP running most of the season before fizzling out.

 

[Shutout]

BradyPeyton ManningRoethlisbegerRiversRodgersStaffordBreesNewton8 franchise QBs in the NFL. Lucky to have one, no question about it.

eli?

Personally, I don't rank him as a franchise QB. I go with the rule of, "If there's any doubt, then no." But I won't question it if you do.

wait, what?you HAVE to explain this, because my brain has no ability to comprehend.Eli is NOT a franchise QB, but stafford, newton and rivers are?please. please, kind sir... defend thyself

Eli doesn't have the regular reason numbers, which is obvious.Eli also does not have the postseason numbers. His record is 4-3, 58% completion percentage, 8 TDs to 7 INTs. Everyone else has either significant regular season numbers, sterling postseason record, or both.

But eli does have something on that list that three don't: A championship. I admit its like a nit pick arguing this type of list, but for the past two seasons, I definitely think Eli is in this conversation. Statistically, Tony Romo probably is too.

 

[Sweetsie]

Stafford had a tremendous year. I'm excited to see what will happen when Detroit finds a healthy RB to help sustain drives and make some catches out of the backfield. Brees benefits from Sproles. Brady benefits from BJGE and passing out of the backfield. Green Bay gives Rodgers about 15 seconds of protection per play to pick everyone apart.

Brady benefits from Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez. Not BJGE.