a Pacman trade? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../803080360/1027

On two separate occasions, suspended Titans cornerback Pacman Jones has said he'd like to play for the Dallas Cowboys.

Eventually, he might get his wish.

The Titans in recent weeks have talked to a number of teams about Jones, and so far the Cowboys have shown the most interest, sources familiar with the situation said. The Miami Dolphins and a few others also appear interested.

Detroit, Oakland, Kansas City, Houston, New Orleans and New England are among those to have expressed at least some level of interest.

At this point, however, the teams are reluctant to make a trade because of the uncertainty that surrounds Jones' future in the NFL. Agreeing on compensation is another hurdle. Teams don't appear willing to give a high draft pick for Jones, and the Titans are inclined to wait to see whether they can get a draft pick that meets their satisfaction.

**snip**

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The guy is talented, there's no doubt in my mind.

I guess we'll have to see what the Titans want for him. Young, talented but he's a major problem off the field.

Taking this guy on would be a high risk. I couldn't tell you one way or another from sitting in my shoes, I'd have to have some serious sit down time and talk to the guy and get an impression.

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble, let's pass without investigating while I don't think you can say, hey, the guy's got talent, bring him in.

Very delicate situation and I will say I'm intrigued by it.

 

[Max Power]

I would think the Titans would accept anything for Jones right now. What are they waiting for?

 

[Our Gang]

If he couldn't control himself in Tennesse, then South Beach isn't going to help his cause.

 

[FUBAR]

If he couldn't control himself in Tennesse, then South Beach isn't going to help his cause.

New Orleans would be interesting.

 

[brednbuddah]

Could turn out to be a real "genius" like move by BB if NE got him. If he could keep Moss in check (and make it to the Super Bowl), he can keep anyone in check.

 

[Max Power]

Could turn out to be a real "genius" like move by BB if NE got him. If he could keep Moss in check (and make it to the Super Bowl), he can keep anyone in check.

I think Pacman brings a lot more baggage than Moss did.

 

[brednbuddah]

Could turn out to be a real "genius" like move by BB if NE got him. If he could keep Moss in check (and make it to the Super Bowl), he can keep anyone in check.

I think Pacman brings a lot more baggage than Moss did.

that may be true, but who else is out there to fill Asante Samuel's shoes? with the right motivation and confidence from the coaching staff and veterans, he could make people forget about Samuel.

 

[redman]

The guy is talented, there's no doubt in my mind.

I guess we'll have to see what the Titans want for him. Young, talented but he's a major problem off the field.

Taking this guy on would be a high risk. I couldn't tell you one way or another from sitting in my shoes, I'd have to have some serious sit down time and talk to the guy and get an impression.

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble, let's pass without investigating while I don't think you can say, hey, the guy's got talent, bring him in.

Very delicate situation and I will say I'm intrigued by it.

GB Cowboys fans. The classy days of Landry, Staubach and Schramm are most certainly dead.

 

[Brutis]

The guy is talented, there's no doubt in my mind.

I guess we'll have to see what the Titans want for him. Young, talented but he's a major problem off the field.

Taking this guy on would be a high risk. I couldn't tell you one way or another from sitting in my shoes, I'd have to have some serious sit down time and talk to the guy and get an impression.

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble, let's pass without investigating while I don't think you can say, hey, the guy's got talent, bring him in.

Very delicate situation and I will say I'm intrigued by it.

GB Cowboys fans. The classy days of Landry, Staubach and Schramm are most certainly dead.

I dont care much about "classy". Just win

 

[redman]

The guy is talented, there's no doubt in my mind.

I guess we'll have to see what the Titans want for him. Young, talented but he's a major problem off the field.

Taking this guy on would be a high risk. I couldn't tell you one way or another from sitting in my shoes, I'd have to have some serious sit down time and talk to the guy and get an impression.

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble, let's pass without investigating while I don't think you can say, hey, the guy's got talent, bring him in.

Very delicate situation and I will say I'm intrigued by it.

GB Cowboys fans. The classy days of Landry, Staubach and Schramm are most certainly dead.

I dont care much about "classy". Just win

Exactly my point.

 

[Brutis]

The guy is talented, there's no doubt in my mind.

I guess we'll have to see what the Titans want for him. Young, talented but he's a major problem off the field.

Taking this guy on would be a high risk. I couldn't tell you one way or another from sitting in my shoes, I'd have to have some serious sit down time and talk to the guy and get an impression.

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble, let's pass without investigating while I don't think you can say, hey, the guy's got talent, bring him in.

Very delicate situation and I will say I'm intrigued by it.

GB Cowboys fans. The classy days of Landry, Staubach and Schramm are most certainly dead.

I dont care much about "classy". Just win

Exactly my point.

Works for me.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......

Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

Maybe an African-American coach like Tony Dungy could turn him around, or a European-American coach like Bill Belichick, but I don't think an African-American coach like Herm Edwards (or, frankly, ANY coach like Herm Edwards) can be trusted to turn this kid around.

 

[titanT]

Getting him further away from ATL would be a step in the right direction, regardless of where it was, IMO

 

[Bri]

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble,

IMO There's too many arrests for this generously kind attitude. Since you're a Cowboy fan maybe there's a sign that they'd be perfect for him.When he stops getting arrested, I'll believe he "learned his lesson" and "grew up".

 

[Mustang Man]

The guy is talented, there's no doubt in my mind.

I guess we'll have to see what the Titans want for him. Young, talented but he's a major problem off the field.

Taking this guy on would be a high risk. I couldn't tell you one way or another from sitting in my shoes, I'd have to have some serious sit down time and talk to the guy and get an impression.

I don't think you can just sit back from a distance and say he's trouble, let's pass without investigating while I don't think you can say, hey, the guy's got talent, bring him in.

Very delicate situation and I will say I'm intrigued by it.

GB Cowboys fans. The classy days of Landry, Staubach and Schramm are most certainly dead.

I dont care much about "classy". Just win

Exactly my point.

Just win, but to a point yeah, maybe take some guys with talent that have off the field issues. I do not want the Cowboys to cheat to win. Bring on the bad seeds ex- TO Tank Johnson to name the most recent, but lets stay away from cheating. That is not classy.

 

[brednbuddah]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......

Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

Maybe an African-American coach like Tony Dungy could turn him around, or a European-American coach like Bill Belichick, but I don't think an African-American coach like Herm Edwards (or, frankly, ANY coach like Herm Edwards) can be trusted to turn this kid around.

FTR, after John Abraham got busted for DUI, the NFL did NOT impose ANY suspension. It was Herm who suspended him for one game to let him know he screwed up. Say what you want about Herm, but he's the kind of guy who is built on ethics.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Could turn out to be a real "genius" like move by BB if NE got him. If he could keep Moss in check (and make it to the Super Bowl), he can keep anyone in check.

I think Pacman brings a lot more baggage than Moss did.

Comparing Pacman Jones to Moss is not exactly in the same ballpark.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......

Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

Maybe an African-American coach like Tony Dungy could turn him around, or a European-American coach like Bill Belichick, but I don't think an African-American coach like Herm Edwards (or, frankly, ANY coach like Herm Edwards) can be trusted to turn this kid around.

FTR, after John Abraham got busted for DUI, the NFL did NOT impose ANY suspension. It was Herm who suspended him for one game to let him know he screwed up. Say what you want about Herm, but he's the kind of guy who is built on ethics.

I'm aware. But pac-man doesn't seem to respond to sanctions. He responds to wins. I don't see a lot of that happening in KC.

 

[cobalt_27]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......

Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

Maybe an African-American coach like Tony Dungy could turn him around, or a European-American coach like Bill Belichick, but I don't think an African-American coach like Herm Edwards (or, frankly, ANY coach like Herm Edwards) can be trusted to turn this kid around.

FTR, after John Abraham got busted for DUI, the NFL did NOT impose ANY suspension. It was Herm who suspended him for one game to let him know he screwed up. Say what you want about Herm, but he's the kind of guy who is built on ethics.

I'm aware. But pac-man doesn't seem to respond to sanctions. He responds to wins. I don't see a lot of that happening in KC.

Pacman responds to what?

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I think this happens, but not until some assurances that Pacman will be able to play 2008 barring further actions (not same as Goody Goodell removing the suspension).

Once teams have that glimmer of hope, I think the Titans get a conditional 3rd round pick in next year's draft. If he has no further complications it goes to a 2, if he makes the pro-bowl (or some other top performing status) it goes to a 1.

 

[Tyrion]

I think this happens, but not until some assurances that Pacman will be able to play 2008 barring further actions (not same as Goody Goodell removing the suspension).Once teams have that glimmer of hope, I think the Titans get a conditional 3rd round pick in next year's draft. If he has no further complications it goes to a 2, if he makes the pro-bowl (or some other top performing status) it goes to a 1.

One thing people are leaving out is this guy has not played in a year. Also doesn't he still have charges in Vegas to take care of or have those already been settled? I bet they don't see more than a 5th.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I think this happens, but not until some assurances that Pacman will be able to play 2008 barring further actions (not same as Goody Goodell removing the suspension).Once teams have that glimmer of hope, I think the Titans get a conditional 3rd round pick in next year's draft. If he has no further complications it goes to a 2, if he makes the pro-bowl (or some other top performing status) it goes to a 1.

I don't see any way possible that Tennessee gets a conditional first for Pacman, even if he is league MVP. He is too much risk, not just for this season, but for all seasons going forward. One year of on the field performance won't change that risk significantly.

 

[Phurfur]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......

Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

Maybe an African-American coach like Tony Dungy could turn him around, or a European-American coach like Bill Belichick, but I don't think an African-American coach like Herm Edwards (or, frankly, ANY coach like Herm Edwards) can be trusted to turn this kid around.

FTR, after John Abraham got busted for DUI, the NFL did NOT impose ANY suspension. It was Herm who suspended him for one game to let him know he screwed up. Say what you want about Herm, but he's the kind of guy who is built on ethics.

I'm aware. But pac-man doesn't seem to respond to sanctions. He responds to wins. I don't see a lot of that happening in KC.

What makes you say this? His actions have nothing to do with winning or losing football games.

 

[Tyrion]

What follows is not a politically correct thought, so please be advised......

Anyone think he would clean up his act playing for an African-American coach like Herman Edwards, who also happens to be a great coach for young DBs to learn from? KC has had guys like Dale Carter, etc and won, so why not go after Pacman?

Maybe an African-American coach like Tony Dungy could turn him around, or a European-American coach like Bill Belichick, but I don't think an African-American coach like Herm Edwards (or, frankly, ANY coach like Herm Edwards) can be trusted to turn this kid around.

FTR, after John Abraham got busted for DUI, the NFL did NOT impose ANY suspension. It was Herm who suspended him for one game to let him know he screwed up. Say what you want about Herm, but he's the kind of guy who is built on ethics.

I'm aware. But pac-man doesn't seem to respond to sanctions. He responds to wins. I don't see a lot of that happening in KC.

What makes you say this? His actions have nothing to do with winning or losing football games.

Considering his attraction to topless clubs I would say that pac-man responds to boobs.

 

[Bri]

I think this happens, but not until some assurances that Pacman will be able to play 2008 barring further actions (not same as Goody Goodell removing the suspension).Once teams have that glimmer of hope, I think the Titans get a conditional 3rd round pick in next year's draft. If he has no further complications it goes to a 2, if he makes the pro-bowl (or some other top performing status) it goes to a 1.

I don't see any way possible that Tennessee gets a conditional first for Pacman, even if he is league MVP. He is too much risk, not just for this season, but for all seasons going forward. One year of on the field performance won't change that risk significantly.

you're probably right, otherwise I agree with WMI that it would be an 09 pick and conditional. Only thing that could make it go to a 1 or the current draft would be competition. If those several teams all become very interested, that could drive up the price.I was concerned about Dillon. I was concerned about Moss. Even though they worked out well, I'd still be concerned if the Pats landed Pacman. I think, however, he's one of the most talented young CBs in the game. Going from Fish to BB, he'd be an especially well coached player and I might be pretty excited if they pulled off a deal with the Pats

 

[Kai's Hero]

There's the chance that the guy could sit out the entire 2008 season. Why would anyone take that risk?

 

[phthalatemagic]

I think it makes alot of sense from him to go to New England

 

[Tyrion]

I think it makes alot of sense from him to go to New England

I would trade him out of the AFC if I was the Titans.

 

[Bri]

'Pacman' agent: 'Boys, Pats, Lions show interest

Daily News Wire Services

The Cowboys have held preliminary discussions with the Tennessee Titans about trading for suspended cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, multiple sources told the Dallas Morning News.

Manny Arora, Jones' agent, said he has talked to the Cowboys, Lions and Patriots about Jones and would like a trade to occur before the draft on April 26-27. An NFL spokesman said Jones, suspended since April for violations of the conduct policy, can still be traded to another team.

The Cowboys are $3.9 million under the salary cap, and Jones is scheduled to earn a base salary of $1.292 million when he returns to the field. Jones, 24, is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2009 season. A source said Jones would renegotiate his contract at a lower salary to accommodate a team willing to sign him.

Commissioner Roger Goodell said he will review Jones' suspension before camps open in July.

 

[Bri]

Millen says Lions not interested

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../803220369/1126

 

[Bri]

'Pacman' agent: 'Boys, Pats, Lions show interest

Daily News Wire Services

The Cowboys have held preliminary discussions with the Tennessee Titans about trading for suspended cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones, multiple sources told the Dallas Morning News.

Manny Arora, Jones' agent, said he has talked to the Cowboys, Lions and Patriots about Jones and would like a trade to occur before the draft on April 26-27. An NFL spokesman said Jones, suspended since April for violations of the conduct policy, can still be traded to another team.

The Cowboys are $3.9 million under the salary cap, and Jones is scheduled to earn a base salary of $1.292 million when he returns to the field. Jones, 24, is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2009 season. A source said Jones would renegotiate his contract at a lower salary to accommodate a team willing to sign him.

Commissioner Roger Goodell said he will review Jones' suspension before camps open in July.

here http://www.charlotte.com/panthers/story/547610.html" The Cowboys would likely give up a late-round pick to acquire Jones."

OK by the NFL to trade

Jones willing to redo what is "just" a 1.29 mil contract

late round pick

I think it's happenin'. What needed to happen has happenned, just matter of time IMO

 

[brednbuddah]

Millen says Lions not interested

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../803220369/1126

well there you have it, if Millen is NOT interested you can bet PacMan will miraculously turn his life around, have a pro-bowl season, win comeback player of the year, build and donate a library to inner-city youth, etc...

 

[Polyethylene Bag]

Millen says Lions not interested

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../803220369/1126

well there you have it, if Millen is NOT interested you can bet PacMan will miraculously turn his life around, have a pro-bowl season, win comeback player of the year, build and donate a library to inner-city youth, etc...

It's funny 'cause it's true.

 

[mjohnell]

Millen says Lions not interested

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../803220369/1126

well there you have it, if Millen is NOT interested you can bet PacMan will miraculously turn his life around, have a pro-bowl season, win comeback player of the year, build and donate a library to inner-city youth, etc...

So funny!

 

[Bri]

Millen says Lions not interested

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../803220369/1126

well there you have it, if Millen is NOT interested you can bet PacMan will miraculously turn his life around, have a pro-bowl season, win comeback player of the year, build and donate a library to inner-city youth, etc...

lolhe'll never get comeback player of the year though.

IIRC I saw somewhere he has been suspended the longest of anyone. That really drums home Goodell's point about being stricter on player's conduct. Not in a judgemental comparative way but more like, he's the commish and he's enforcing these rules so they'd better behave kind of way

 

[massraider]

Was he reinstated and I missed it?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Was he reinstated and I missed it?

No. Other than this trade talk the most current news was another altercation in a strip club. He supposedly, allegedly, reportedly sucker punched some gal in an argument about his missing bling and rain. This was January 08. The woman rumored to be assaulted dropped the charges in what smelled like a quick payoff, but Goodall announced a couple weeks later than he was and remained "disappointed" in Pacman. And I'm pretty sure I read he wasn't revisiting re-instatement until late this summer. I also think he has to screw up again for him not to be eligible next season.He has 4 interceptions and 6 arrests.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Pacman and the *Patriots deserve each other. They are just sooooo alike in so many ways.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

What are the chances that he stays a Titan? There has to be a scenario where nobody wants to touch him, if so will he play for the Titans or have bridges been burned too badly?

 

[Bri]

What are the chances that he stays a Titan? There has to be a scenario where nobody wants to touch him, if so will he play for the Titans or have bridges been burned too badly?

Tone(and just tone) from the GM and the Coach seem to indicate not much chance.They have to be(as humans) disgusted with his behavior so it's a bit hard to tell.

 

[Bri]

David Yudkin has told us the Pats aren't interested in the Titans anymore and every link that followed seemed to support that. That means it's just the Cowboys as the Lions backed off earlier.

The Titans want a 4th and a conditional pick next year. The Cowboys feel the market has all but washed away since they're the only team left and want that trade value to go down.

The Cowboys say they're not talking anymore and waiting for the Titans to lower their "demands". Pacman says the talks are still on and he expects to be a Cowboy soon.

The conditional pick being part of it, I think, is expected. If they get a pro bowl player, they should have to give up a decent pick. However, I imagine the Boys think they're taking a signicant risk with this cancer and the risk should cancel out the conditional pick. So if my guesses are right, I can see the point of both sides.

Earlier this offseason, both Fisher and the GM said they wanted to move on or move forward. I don't think waiting to see how he does(conditional pick) does that, so I think they'll budge. I can't imagine they want this to drag out.

A month ago, the rumored amount was a 5th and a conditional. I think it'll be the 4th or a conditional when all's said and done, not both.

 

[Bri]

What are the chances that he stays a Titan? There has to be a scenario where nobody wants to touch him, if so will he play for the Titans or have bridges been burned too badly?

Tone(and just tone) from the GM and the Coach seem to indicate not much chance.They have to be(as humans) disgusted with his behavior so it's a bit hard to tell.

Here's a link for youhttp://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../803280409/1027

 

[Bri]

Well, here is fact you can count on concerning Pacman Jones: Exactly what Goodell had to say about him on Monday, the first official day of the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Fla.:

"In my last correspondence with Adam I told him I would make my decision prior to the start of training camp. I've seen some of his recent comments that he made on the Michael Irvin radio show; I think some of those comments are encouraging. I've always said that he has to accept responsibility for his actions and that when he does I would reconsider his status."

When asked if clubs interested in possibly trading for Jones know something about his potential reinstatement no one else knows (insert Cowboys here), Goodell was very clear, saying, "The clubs that have contacted us, I have made no commitments about his availability. I've said that I would make an evaluation and decision prior to the training camp, but there have been no promises made by me about what the outcome of that is because I've been very clear - I would like to see how Pacman does and how he responds.

"I think (teams possibly trading for him) know the consequences, they know the status of the player, (so) I assume there will be consideration for that and I don't feel any obligation to do any more than I've said, which is to reconsider his status

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=0...5A411596229AE0A

 

[Bri]

Titans Coach Jeff Fisher left a window cracked for Pacman Jones on Tuesday, but reiterated that chances are better the suspended cornerback will be traded or released.

For now, a trade with the Cowboys seems most likely. They haven't hidden their interest in Jones, who's been suspended for almost a year, and talks with the Titans are to continue.

"When and if he's reinstated, (one option) is to come back on our roster and play," Fisher told reporters at the NFL meetings in Palm Beach, Fla. "And the others are a potential trade or to outright release him. We've got three options.

Jones, who was at a charity event Tuesday in Atlanta, told the Associated Press that the Detroit Lions, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots were interested in him.

With owners, general managers and coaches gathered in Florida through Wednesday, the best time for the Titans to find a trade partner would appear to be this week. The Cowboys agreed.

"It's probable, if we're going to get something done, we'll do it while we're here at these meetings," Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "We've got some more talks we've got to do with the Titans, and we will do that while we're here."

There were indications Tuesday, however, that the two sides remained apart and could leave Florida without a deal.

Compensation has kept the two sides apart for more than a month.

The Titans are believed to be asking for a fourth-round pick in the 2008 draft and either a fifth- or sixth-rounder in the 2009 draft. So far, the Cowboys have been unwilling to give that much.

Jones repeatedly has expressed his desire to play for the Cowboys and on Saturday night said, "I just think my days as a Titan is over with."

Fisher wouldn't discuss the status of trade talks.

"We have an organizational policy — most people do — not to discuss those kinds of things,'' Fisher said. "Yeah, there's been some discussion, but nothing more than that. He has not been reinstated yet."

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said on Monday that a decision on reinstatement might not come before training camps start in late July.

The Titans responded to not having Jones last season and would adjust again if he winds up on their roster this fall, Fisher said.

"We found, as a result of this, a good young player in Cortland Finnegan, who got a chance to play. He's our starting corner right now, so is Nick Harper. If (Jones is) reinstated and he comes back on our roster, then we'll adjust," Fisher said. "There are a lot of hypotheticals. Until he's reinstated, there's not much to talk about."

 

[Bri]

The Titans and Cowboys left the NFL owners meetings in Palm Beach, Fla., on Wednesday without a deal for suspended cornerback Pacman Jones but with a new wrinkle to discuss.

While the two sides remained close to agreeing on the draft picks the Titans would receive from the Cowboys, another hurdle must be cleared: The Titans want to be reimbursed some of the bonus money they've already paid Jones.

The issue could keep the deal from being reached soon, if at all, though indications are both teams remain interested in making the trade before the April 26-27 NFL Draft.

Titans General Manager Mike Reinfeldt and Cowboys Vice President Stephen Jones met on Tuesday night, continuing trade talks that have lasted more than a month.

"I don't think we can get frustrated because it is completely out of our control," said Manny Arora, one of Pacman Jones' agents.

In addition to several million dollars, the Titans are seeking a fourth-round pick this year and a fifth-round pick in 2009 from the Cowboys.

Pacman Jones is owed several million dollars in prorated bonuses the Titans have not paid since he was suspended last April. The Titans could opt to file a grievance, however, to recoup some of what they've already paid Jones.

Since they signed Jones to a five-year contract in 2005, the Titans have paid him more than $11.7 million in salaries and bonuses. Jones is scheduled to make $1.29 million in 2008 if he's reinstated.

Jones repeatedly has expressed a desire to play for the Cowboys. It's unclear whether Dallas would be

willing to pay Jones enough, even with a reworked contract, to cover what the Titans are seeking.

"It doesn't make any sense," Arora said. "They are going to take the risk of not trading him and take that massive salary cap hit over bonus money after we have offered to rework our contract? If they end up holding on to him and get nothing, it just doesn't make sense. If they want to trade him, we just need to make a clean break and let us relocate and part ways amicably."

If the Titans release or trade Jones, they'd take a salary cap hit of roughly $5.4 million spread over the next three years, the time left on his contract.

It's unclear if or when Jones would be reinstated. Commissioner Roger Goodell said a decision might not be announced until close to the start of training camps in July.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones had expressed his desire to complete the trade during the NFL meetings, which concluded Wednesday. Attempts to reach Titans officials for comment were unsuccessful.

"We haven't done anything yet," Cowboys Coach Wade Phillips said. "There have been a lot of rumors certainly, and we have talked. We'll just wait and see what happens and then we'll comment on it.''

 

[BigTex]

I didn't see this posted anywhere but PacMan was on the Michael Irvin show yesterday. He said that the Boyz and Titans have an agreed deal in place but that the Titan told him that if he drops the Grievence (sp?) against them, that they (Titans) would pull the trigger on the deal.

He says that the Titans still owe him money from 2005.

 

[Bri]

I didn't see this posted anywhere but PacMan was on the Michael Irvin show yesterday. He said that the Boyz and Titans have an agreed deal in place but that the Titan told him that if he drops the Grievence (sp?) against them, that they (Titans) would pull the trigger on the deal.

He says that the Titans still owe him money from 2005.

It's mentioned as something they could do in the article above. The Bucs or Broncos filed a grievance to get some money back from Jake. The Fins did with Ricky. Whether the Titans did seems to be a point of contention. Even though you say Pacman said it, I'm leaning toward believing the Titans on this one.

The Titans are trying to get the Boys to pay some of the $ already given to him, as if you take on this small contract so take on some of his old signing bonus too. The Cowboys want them to just file a grievance and sorta get it from him themselves. All that debate wouldn't come up if Pacman was truthful and they had already filed a grievance.

The people hurt in that strip club shooting sued Pacman and the Titans, and the NFL. That clutters the search results when trying to find out if they did already or not.

 

[Bri]

While Pacman Jones trade discussions remain stalemated, sources tell ESPN that the Cowboys are convinced that the more than $6 million in guaranteed base salary the Titans are obligated to pay the suspended cornerback over the next three years virtually assures that an eventual trade is Tennessee's only inexpensive solution.

To stimulate a deal, according to sources, Jones has offered to forego money he has earned from and is owed by the Titans if the team drops its insistence he repay a similar amount of signing bonus.

Jones is expected to apply for reinstatement next week following a one-year suspension. Even though Jones had behavioral issues before coming to the NFL that caused some teams to downgrade him or to take him completely off their draft boards, the Titans took him sixth overall in 2005 and agreed to guarantee base salaries of more than $1.2 million for the upcoming season, $1.7 million in 2009 and in excess of $2 million in the final year. The Titans will be responsible for those amounts if Jones is released or kept on the Titans roster. Trading Jones and his contract to another team is the only way to avoid it.

Still, Titans coach Jeff Fisher, in an interview at the NFL owners meetings, told ESPN he has not eliminated the possibility of keeping Jones. That seems unlikely and contradicts other comments he has made about the Titans moving forward without the player arrested six times since beginning his NFL career.

To facilitate a trade to Dallas -- where Jones says he prefers to resume his career -- the player has offered to forego the $1.2 million performance bonus he earned for playing at least 25 percent of the Titans' defensive plays in an attempt to offset the $1.275 million signing bonus the Titans are currently demanding he repay before completing any trade. According to sources, Jones is willing to call it even and walk away. The Titans have not made that compromise.

There remains a less serious difference of opinion between the Cowboys and Titans over draft-pick compensation. The Titans want a fourth-round pick in this month's draft and another pick in 2009. Believing they have leverage, the Cowboys are unwilling to offer two picks.

"If they are serious about what they are asking from us, that's what they should do is keep him," a Cowboys source said.