A Prayer Of Salvation (7 Viewers)

[Paddington]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

I also find it a little alarming that people can look at others with differing beliefs with such disdain that they believe they should be punished for an eternity (as in forever, which is a concept in its own that's hard to fully grasp) not because they're bad people, but simply for disagreeing.

It's hate and for all the good the gets pointed out regarding religion it's a concept I find ugly, believe what i believe or suffer the ultimate torture. Great way to create a less than outgroup.

It's not because we look at them with disdain. It's because we believe God's Word the Bible. You obviously believe that the God of the Bible is hateful after He sent His only Son to Die, so that you wouldn't have to go there. That's not hate, it's love. If it were hate, God would have already sent His enemies there. But He wants to save them and is giving them a huge chance at Salvation. Why would anyone say no?

 

[Captain Cranks]

Why would anyone say no?

For the same reason you say no to Ahura Mazda and Vishnu.

 

[Northern Voice]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

How does God commune with you? Be specific please.

 

[dkp993]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

How does God commune with you? Be specific please.

He’s mentioned it many times before. He believes he’s had direct conversations with God.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

But He wants to save them

Then let him just save them! Have some faith that God's love, his forgiveness, his grave is just that.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Here's an open ended question. Is Apocalypticism, defined as a religious belief system centered on the idea that the world as we know it will soon come to a decisive end, healthy for society?

I'd argue that it is not as it makes it easier for adherents to settle on inaction of real world problems and can help justify passivity. It also fosters an us vs them, good vs evil mindset.

Apocalypticism was the answer to how God's chosen people could still suffer even when they keep to God's laws. It made sense during the times of the prophets for Jews to suffer because they kept turning their back to God, but not in this age. So, a century or two before Jesus the idea that forces of evil had taken control of earth, but sometime soon God would re-exert himself and take control back. In a not so pleasant cosmic event for the enemies of God. With someone called "Son of Man".

This is what John the Baptists ran around preaching. It is what Paul writes. It is what Jesus, the real historical one preached. It is why that, despite what I might want you cannot call Jesus a social reformer. There was no time for that. Before this generation pass this will happen. So repent, start living according to God's will today so you're ready for God's kingdom. Whether Jesus thought of himself as the "Son of Man" is debatable, but the "second coming" establishes it for Paul and beyond.

And then it didn't happen. So, by the time we get the Gospel of John almost all of this is scrubbed. And we get 2nd Thessalonians which was written largely to address the very kinds of issues you're asking about. Basically, the letter more or less copies 1st Thessalonians greeting. Warns that there is a forged letter in Paul's name in circulation (1st Thessalonians?) and then contradicts the "like a thief in the night" of 1st Thessalonians for this by saying that we can know that the ends not coming yet because these other things need to happen.

Now 2nd Thessalonians was most likely written in Paul's name after Paul was dead to address how this community was not functional due to these beliefs. But let allow those that want to insist on this being coauthored by Paul and Timothy have their way to squash the inaction.

 

[fatness]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

I was hoping for something better than just a condescending pat on the head and a "you aren't capable of understanding this", but alas. You believe you're in direct contact with god, and that gives you the right to be demeaning. I don't believe you will convince many people to believe as you do with an attitude like that. You're not discussing things respectfully with others with different beliefs. You're talking down to them, and not listening, and as I said before I believe that's sad. You're missing out on communicating with fellow humans.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

I also find it a little alarming that people can look at others with differing beliefs with such disdain that they believe they should be punished for an eternity (as in forever, which is a concept in its own that's hard to fully grasp) not because they're bad people, but simply for disagreeing.

It's hate and for all the good the gets pointed out regarding religion it's a concept I find ugly, believe what i believe or suffer the ultimate torture. Great way to create a less than outgroup.

It's not because we look at them with disdain. It's because we believe God's Word the Bible. You obviously believe that the God of the Bible is hateful after He sent His only Son to Die, so that you wouldn't have to go there. That's not hate, it's love. If it were hate, God would have already sent His enemies there. But He wants to save them and is giving them a huge chance at Salvation. Why would anyone say no?

I can't/shouldn't say gods or individuals are hateful, but i can say the notion that people employing critical thought and not having blind faith as the ultimate and most serious of offenses is. To me it isn't a very loving message, "conform or face the ultimate eternal torture".

The idea that a good person who doesn't have the required information to accept any one religion or any at all is somehow worse than someone that commits <insert horrible crime> in this life, but accepts Jesus and will be "saved" while the other is "damned" somehow doesn't feel loving.

i keep going to the concept of eternity, you might live 70-80 years here, but eternity in the afterlife. Eternal torture for not believing PEOPLE and often people with agendas since no all powerful being is talking to most of us. Why the ETERNAL torture for incomplete information? Why not just a cut to black for those people?

I never said no to god because i was never asked and suspect god probably isn't going to. People no different than me have asked, but they don't have anymore information than i do. Trust me isn't good enough.

 

[Joe Bryant]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

I was hoping for something better than just a condescending pat on the head and a "you aren't capable of understanding this", but alas. You believe you're in direct contact with god, and that gives you the right to be demeaning. I don't believe you will convince many people to believe as you do with an attitude like that. You're not discussing things respectfully with others with different beliefs. You're talking down to them, and not listening, and as I said before I believe that's sad. You're missing out on communicating with fellow humans.

We've done a decent job of discussion here. And let's continue if possible.

Let's dial back anything that might be seen as demeaning, and also get a little thicker skin on being sensitive to what's demeaning. And drop calling one another's beliefs "sad".

 

[Navin Johnson]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

I was hoping for something better than just a condescending pat on the head and a "you aren't capable of understanding this", but alas. You believe you're in direct contact with god, and that gives you the right to be demeaning. I don't believe you will convince many people to believe as you do with an attitude like that. You're not discussing things respectfully with others with different beliefs. You're talking down to them, and not listening, and as I said before I believe that's sad. You're missing out on communicating with fellow humans.

Let's dial back anything that might be seen as demeaning, and also get a little thicker skin on being sensitive to what's demeaning.

 

[Joe Bryant]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

I was hoping for something better than just a condescending pat on the head and a "you aren't capable of understanding this", but alas. You believe you're in direct contact with god, and that gives you the right to be demeaning. I don't believe you will convince many people to believe as you do with an attitude like that. You're not discussing things respectfully with others with different beliefs. You're talking down to them, and not listening, and as I said before I believe that's sad. You're missing out on communicating with fellow humans.

Let's dial back anything that might be seen as demeaning, and also get a little thicker skin on being sensitive to what's demeaning.

Yes. Less of this please.

 

[Navin Johnson]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

I was hoping for something better than just a condescending pat on the head and a "you aren't capable of understanding this", but alas. You believe you're in direct contact with god, and that gives you the right to be demeaning. I don't believe you will convince many people to believe as you do with an attitude like that. You're not discussing things respectfully with others with different beliefs. You're talking down to them, and not listening, and as I said before I believe that's sad. You're missing out on communicating with fellow humans.

Let's dial back anything that might be seen as demeaning, and also get a little thicker skin on being sensitive to what's demeaning.

Yes. Less of this please.

I honestly don't see the difference and, if anything, the poster that you admonished was the far less offensive in the exchange. They poster he was responding to is perpetually enabled to repeat the same condescending tone. Thread after thread after thread. This is just the same thread as the others with slightly different branding

 

[Joe Bryant]

God intends for us all to have a puropse, but those who don't know Christ, won't have any purpose once they are dead because they have rejected God and therefore rejected His purpose for them. They end up in eternal punishment.

I believe they, and believers, end up dead, then gradually decomposing and disappearing.
I believe your need to believe in eternal punishment for those who do not believe as you do is kind of sad.

It's not need I have. It's a truth I know. I know God because when I placed my Faith in Christ and His death and resurrection to save me, I was born again in the Spirit. God communes with those in Christ in a way that Non belivers can't understand.

I was hoping for something better than just a condescending pat on the head and a "you aren't capable of understanding this", but alas. You believe you're in direct contact with god, and that gives you the right to be demeaning. I don't believe you will convince many people to believe as you do with an attitude like that. You're not discussing things respectfully with others with different beliefs. You're talking down to them, and not listening, and as I said before I believe that's sad. You're missing out on communicating with fellow humans.

Let's dial back anything that might be seen as demeaning, and also get a little thicker skin on being sensitive to what's demeaning.

Yes. Less of this please.

I honestly don't see the difference and, if anything, the poster that you admonished was the far less offensive in the exchange. They poster he was responding to is perpetually enabled to repeat the same condescending tone. Thread after thread after thread. This is just the same thread as the others with slightly different branding

I'm talking to everyone.

No one is getting "admonished".