A start 2 QB league (1 Viewer)

[After the Rain]

Our league has been toying with the idea of going to a start 2 QB format (10 teams). I did the VBD app for our scoring system and found that 4 of the top 6 players are QBs. Guys like Hasselbeck were top 30.

I don't know what to expect in the draft and I realize that every draft is unique. That said, there are probably a number of you with some experience and or insight about what may be typical. Any input would be much appreciated!

Here are a few specific questions:

--Is such a format as much fun or more fun?

--Does the draft become a QB frenzy or does it only differ a little from typical start 1 QB drafts? My guess is that it lies somewhere in between but where would it fall in that specturm?

 

[AllVolUT]

Our league has been toying with the idea of going to a start 2 QB format (10 teams). I did the VBD app for our scoring system and found that 4 of the top 6 players are QBs. Guys like Hasselbeck were top 30.I don't know what to expect in the draft and I realize that every draft is unique. That said, there are probably a number of you with some experience and or insight about what may be typical. Any input would be much appreciated!Here are a few specific questions:--Is such a format as much fun or more fun?--Does the draft become a QB frenzy or does it only differ a little from typical start 1 QB drafts? My guess is that it lies somewhere in between but where would it fall in that specturm?

I personally prefer 2QB leagues. IMO, it leads to more of a strategic draft. Do you use standard FBG scoring, or are all TDs 6 pts - I qualify this because I use the FBG scoring and only 4 of the top 30 players are QBs. Based on previous drafts, I would expect the top tier of QBs (this year being Brady, Manning, Romo, Brees) to be gone by the end of the second. From there on out, ~2 QBs go in the rest of the rounds. In my previous success, I would advise to either grab a top tiered QB or wait. If you can't grab a top guy, wait until guys start going after their QB2 before you grab your QB1. This allows you to stack the skilled positions, while also giving you a nice educated guess on where the QBs will go after everybody has grabbed their QB1. JMHO.

 

[pizzatyme]

Fantasy Jungle does QB as a Flex, so basically 2 QBs. They score less for passing TDs and I can tell you the QBs went early and often in a league I did last week.

 

[After the Rain]

our league has scored 3 for a td pass

 

[IndyHavoc]

AtR, it really depends on a few things. How many sharks/FBG's are in this league? I ask because first year one of my leagues switched to 2 QB's no one really had a clue to the true value shift; this is a casual league and was a long time ago, so information like the DD didn't exist.

Anyway, if the league isn't totally on the ball, the draft may go just like it was a 1 QB league. If it's very competitive, then yes it will be a QB frenzy for the first 2-3 rounds as everyone will feel the need to fill the QB1 slot right before/after RB1 slot. My advice; stay flexible and ready to respond to the QB runs as they come. Try to pick the last QB in each of the 1st 2 or 3 tiers.

 

[Jason Wood]

My oldest, highest stake and most competitive league is a 2QB league. When we started doing it (almost 15 years ago), there was really no one else that we knew of who did and I loved that it made QBs as valuable. We never had the classic RB/RB/RB runs that populated the lion's share of redrafts for years.

I would say that moving an existing league to a 2QB is going to take a season or two for VBD calculations to normalize. I suspect people's instincts will still be to wait on QBs, but they will also tend to overvalue the top guys.

My philosophy in 2QB leagues is to always try to grab a top tier guy. Remember, only 13 NFL QBs appeared in all 16 games last year. With byes and injuries, you really need 3 tried and true starters and will also probably need to find a 4th guy for a spot start or two. In 10-team leagues, that math just doesn't work unless you get started early.

12-team 2QB leagues are suboptimal IMHO. It's almost guaranteed that teams will have to take goose eggs or field awful bottom level starts just to have a live roster in a given week or two. If you're going to do a 12-team 2QB league, I HIGHLY recommend having fix rosters by position.

 

[ookook]

I agbree on fixing rosters and confess to being no fan of flex or PPR. It should all be about supply and demand to regulate value.

A league I run starts 2 QBs. It raises their value losts but people still overvalue them IMHO. That is, tehy still get drafted too early with the exception of the Brady, Mannning types whi go where they should (mid to late first round after the top-tier RBs).

If I cannot get a stud RB, I wait until other people all have their first then grab two quick.

I good ADP heuristic migh tbe to subtract 2 rounds from normal.

BTW, that league starts: 2QB, 2RB, 4WR, 2TE, 2DEF, 2 K.

So it is much like a 24 team league in some respects. Drop offs come in unexpected places, where value can then be found. Think about how much the average top 5 WR drops to the 48th or so.

And I will tell you what, people hustle for TEs a bit even without PPR.

OOKOOK!

 

[Nate]

I'm in 3 2QB leagues, two 10 team, one 12 team.

I find it much more fun because it allows much more freedom in how you build your team. In an auction, I've ended up building a team with two top 5 QBs and two RB2s and still have a strong team. RBs aren't the only players going for top dollar anymore.

In my 12 team leagues ANY starting QB has value. There aren't enough starters to go around if everyone wants a backup so the bottom-tier QBs are overvalued. There's nothing that can be done about this, really. Rookie QBs that don't yet have a job are drafted in the hopes that they'll be starting by the time the bye weeks hit, etc.

Oddly enough, in my 10 team league, QBs are drastically overvalued. This is my strongest league GM-wise and I still can't figure it out. We have 2 keepers in that league and there are more QBs kept than RBs. It all depends on who you're drafting with. Statistically, middle-tier QBs still score far more than middle-tier RBs, so the tier 1 RBs should still be much more valuable than all but the top 2 or 3 QBs.

In my 12 team leagues the QB value is about right. They're worth just slightly below an equivalent RB in general, but QB 25-30 is worth more than RB 25-30.

 

[finnref]

Hi Rain. Go with the 2qb league. You will enjoy it. The values of qb,rb, and wr change and the draft strategy is variable and more interesting. I tried a one qb league after several years of 2qb and did not enjoy it. It was so easy to pick up a qb off the waiver wire that a great amount of thought and strategy was eliminated.

We use 6 pts for all tds and 1 pt for all receptions. This equalizes the value of qb,rb,and wr. Thus you can build your team in different ways and still compete. The qbs definitely go earlier in the draft.

 

[burd]

we've been drafting 2QB for years and the one thing that i notice every year is that even though QBs hold more value in a 2QB format vs starting 1 QB, people still focus on getting RBs early. Maybe it's force of habit or they're afraid of not securing the RB position.

you'll end up seeing Brady, Manning and probably Romo going in the 1st round, w/ Brees and Palmer going in the 2nd round. There's usually a run on QBs in the 3rd through 5th rounds as teams try to get one of the last few good QBs.

my advice, draft a RB in the 1st and then go back-to-back QBs in the 2nd and 3rd. While the others are scrammbling for QBs, you can swoop in and pick up your remaining RBs/WRs.

 

[Katism]

we've been drafting 2QB for years and the one thing that i notice every year is that even though QBs hold more value in a 2QB format vs starting 1 QB, people still focus on getting RBs early. Maybe it's force of habit or they're afraid of not securing the RB position. you'll end up seeing Brady, Manning and probably Romo going in the 1st round, w/ Brees and Palmer going in the 2nd round. There's usually a run on QBs in the 3rd through 5th rounds as teams try to get one of the last few good QBs. my advice, draft a RB in the 1st and then go back-to-back QBs in the 2nd and 3rd. While the others are scrammbling for QBs, you can swoop in and pick up your remaining RBs/WRs.

In my 2nd year of a 12-team 2 QB league. 6 pts for passing TDS. everything else standard. let's say I grab brady in the middle of the 1st round. Do then grab another QB in the 2nd round or does that weaken my team?

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I am in my 3rd year of a 12 team 2 qb league and love it. I would say qb's go where they should go all leagues because rb's are extremely over valued most drafts. I proved it last year in my draftmaster preimier expert 1 qb league dominating takeing Manning 3rd instead of a RB and reeling off 12 or 13 straight wins against only experts.

(Only wish it was Brady) haha

I also dominated my two qb league with Big Ben and Campbell and waiver qbs after campbell went down.

It definatly throws a curve in the draft and Manning definatly goes fast. First half of first round! At least did the 2 years I have played. With the 8th pick this year in my 2 qb redraft brady wont be there and Manning will be mine if he makes it that far.

NO KATISIM.. No way would I take qb's first two rounds. You fall two far behind in other areas. Just be happy to have one of the big 5. You can use fillers for your second one just as I had to do second half of last year when Campbell got hurt.

 

[burd]

we've been drafting 2QB for years and the one thing that i notice every year is that even though QBs hold more value in a 2QB format vs starting 1 QB, people still focus on getting RBs early. Maybe it's force of habit or they're afraid of not securing the RB position. you'll end up seeing Brady, Manning and probably Romo going in the 1st round, w/ Brees and Palmer going in the 2nd round. There's usually a run on QBs in the 3rd through 5th rounds as teams try to get one of the last few good QBs. my advice, draft a RB in the 1st and then go back-to-back QBs in the 2nd and 3rd. While the others are scrammbling for QBs, you can swoop in and pick up your remaining RBs/WRs.

In my 2nd year of a 12-team 2 QB league. 6 pts for passing TDS. everything else standard. let's say I grab brady in the middle of the 1st round. Do then grab another QB in the 2nd round or does that weaken my team?

in a 12-team league, i'd definitely go for QBs in the first two rounds. A friend of mine is in a 12 team league w/ 2 starting QBs, and the QBs were being scooped up and horded by a few people. People were forced into lopsided trades because there were no options in FA .... every QB was on someone's roster.I commish a 10-team league, so for the most part, every team can muster up some combo of 2QBs. 12-team leagues are a different story.... the fact that there aren't enough QBs to go around makes them very valuable.

 

[Cajun Heat]

I've been in a ten team, start 2 QB league since 2001 (that was around for years before) with the following QB scoring: 1 pt/20 yds pass, 4 pts/TD, 5 pt bonus over 300 yds, -1 (or -2; it has changed) for an INT. We haven't had our 2008 draft yet. For what it's worth, here's how the past six years have gone in terms of cumulative number of players taken by the end of each of the first five rounds:

2007

8 RB, 2 QB (Round 1)

14 RB, 5 QB, 1 WR (Round 2)

15 RB, 8 QB, 7 WR (Round 3)

17 RB, 14 QB, 9 WR (Round 4)

19 RB, 15 QB, 16 WR (Round 5)

2006

9 RB, 1 QB

14 RB, 3 QB, 3 WR

16 RB, 5 QB, 9 WR

18 RB, 9 QB, 13 WR

19 RB, 15 QB, 16 WR

2005

8 RB, 2 QB

15 RB, 3 QB, 2 WR

17 RB, 7 QB, 6 WR

19 RB, 11 QB, 10 WR

22 RB, 14 QB, 14 WR

2004

7 RB, 3 QB

12 RB, 4 QB, 4 WR

16 RB, 9 QB, 5 WR

18 RB, 14 QB, 8 WR

19 RB, 15 QB, 16 WR

2003

10 RB

14 RB, 3 QB, 3 WR

18 RB, 7 QB, 5 WR

18 RB, 13 QB, 9 WR

20 RB, 15 QB, 15 WR

2002

4 RB, 4 QB, 2 WR

12 RB, 5 QB, 3 WR

13 RB, 11 QB, 6 WR

17 RB, 12 QB, 11 WR

20 RB, 15 QB, 15 WR

Average (02-07)

Round 1: 7.7 RB, 2 QB, 0.3 WR

Round 2: 13.5 RB, 3.8 QB, 2.7 WR

Round 3: 15.8 RB, 7.8 QB, 6.3 WR

Round 4: 17.8 RB, 12.2 QB, 10 WR

Round 5: 19.8 RB, 14.8 QB, 15.3 WR

Overall, it's still pretty imperative that you get the stud RBs early, but you also don't want to let the QB run pass you by. You can still do well getting your QBs in Round 4 or later (I did two years ago), but it's a lot riskier to wait that long. Given the lack of stud RBs and the relative "safeness" of the top QBs, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Brady, Manning, and Romo (I'm in Dallas) go in the first round, along with possibly Moss.

Also, as you can see, there's fantastic WR value in the second-fourth rounds, so putting off your second RB or QB for a stud WR in the third is probably a smart play, since the 2nd and 3rd tier RBs/QBs are a pretty mixed bag this year, IMO.

 

[After the Rain]

Thanks for the input guys, I will definitely be pushing for a two QB league in light of the input!

 

[Wally Cleaver]

2 qb leagues are worth it, simply for the draft alone... Much more strategy and very hard to predict compared to 1 qb leagues...

 

[Chairshot]

I'm in a superflex league and I love it.

I've been in 2QB leagues before and I think it's a ton of fun. It definitely evens out the depth at all positions.

I still think people for RBs early, but you will see more QBs mixed in. RB is still the most scare position. Even in a 2QB league, you know at any starting QB for the week will likely see all the snaps for his team, baring injury or horrible performance. Most RBs in the league aren't that way.

In a 2 QB league, I basically draft RBs the same way but focus on quality QBs more then WRs.

Like anything else, it's all about value at your draft spot. Follow that rule and you will be fine.

 

[Childress]

Does anyone have a link to a recent 2 QB draft they are in? I would be very interested to see how things went.

 

[Childress]

Please please please

Has anyone completed a 10 team 2 QB league that would like to share their draft results?

 

[void]

if anyone is looking to do one i can set it up

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

in a 12-team league, i'd definitely go for QBs in the first two rounds. A friend of mine is in a 12 team league w/ 2 starting QBs, and the QBs were being scooped up and horded by a few people. People were forced into lopsided trades because there were no options in FA .... every QB was on someone's roster.

I commish a 10-team league, so for the most part, every team can muster up some combo of 2QBs.

12-team leagues are a different story.... the fact that there aren't enough QBs to go around makes them very valuable.

burd,

I dissagree with you entirely. Come play in my 2 qb league dude! A opening is advertised on the fbg boards. Hell freezez over! 200 redraft. We draft every year last Friday night of August live.

I scared em all off because I absolutly dominate it! haha

I took Big Ben in 5th, Campbell well after that. Didn't even have a back up when Cambell went down. Had plenty to chose from in waivers. I went Collins and Redmen off waivers if I recall but had others to chose from too. I still absolutely dominated even with Redmen my second qb or Collins and even played the wrong one most weeks. And it is a 12 team league. Put your $$$ where your mouth is. We would love to have you. It's ran by FFL and it's very good well ran leagues.

 

[kremenull]

I was part of a 2-QB (flex option) league last season. It was pretty fun and something different than the usual. I ended up winning the league and didn't even look to draft top-end QBs.....actually, my QB play sucked all year.......go figure.

Anyway, here is the link to the draft as QBs certainly get bumped up a few notches.

http://football25.myfantasyleague.com/2007...=79847&O=17

 

[finnref]

Is there any site that offers 2 QB mock drafts??

I would be interested if someone sets one up as well.

 

[GregR_2]

Thanks for the input guys, I will definitely be pushing for a two QB league in light of the input!

If it's an 8 or 10 team league, 2 mandatory QBs is probably ok. If larger, you might want to consider making it a flex. Since most of the 13-24 QBs outscore the 25th RB and the 37th WR, etc... it essentially becomes a 2nd QB slot. But teams who don't manage to get a backup QB will still be able to start a player on a bye week.Pretty much all the benefits of using 2 QBs, while avoiding the biggest problem with the setup, not enough to have backups all the way around.In my league, I'd say QB and RB are about equal in value with a slight edge to QB. I expect them to go at fairly similar rates. Maybe 12 QBs gone by the time 10 RBs are.

 

[finnref]

I've been in a ten team, start 2 QB league since 2001 (that was around for years before) with the following QB scoring: 1 pt/20 yds pass, 4 pts/TD, 5 pt bonus over 300 yds, -1 (or -2; it has changed) for an INT. We haven't had our 2008 draft yet. For what it's worth, here's how the past six years have gone in terms of cumulative number of players taken by the end of each of the first five rounds:20078 RB, 2 QB (Round 1)14 RB, 5 QB, 1 WR (Round 2)15 RB, 8 QB, 7 WR (Round 3)17 RB, 14 QB, 9 WR (Round 4)19 RB, 15 QB, 16 WR (Round 5)20069 RB, 1 QB 14 RB, 3 QB, 3 WR 16 RB, 5 QB, 9 WR 18 RB, 9 QB, 13 WR 19 RB, 15 QB, 16 WR 20058 RB, 2 QB15 RB, 3 QB, 2 WR17 RB, 7 QB, 6 WR19 RB, 11 QB, 10 WR22 RB, 14 QB, 14 WR20047 RB, 3 QB12 RB, 4 QB, 4 WR16 RB, 9 QB, 5 WR18 RB, 14 QB, 8 WR19 RB, 15 QB, 16 WR200310 RB14 RB, 3 QB, 3 WR18 RB, 7 QB, 5 WR18 RB, 13 QB, 9 WR20 RB, 15 QB, 15 WR20024 RB, 4 QB, 2 WR12 RB, 5 QB, 3 WR13 RB, 11 QB, 6 WR17 RB, 12 QB, 11 WR20 RB, 15 QB, 15 WRAverage (02-07)Round 1: 7.7 RB, 2 QB, 0.3 WRRound 2: 13.5 RB, 3.8 QB, 2.7 WRRound 3: 15.8 RB, 7.8 QB, 6.3 WRRound 4: 17.8 RB, 12.2 QB, 10 WRRound 5: 19.8 RB, 14.8 QB, 15.3 WROverall, it's still pretty imperative that you get the stud RBs early, but you also don't want to let the QB run pass you by. You can still do well getting your QBs in Round 4 or later (I did two years ago), but it's a lot riskier to wait that long. Given the lack of stud RBs and the relative "safeness" of the top QBs, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Brady, Manning, and Romo (I'm in Dallas) go in the first round, along with possibly Moss. Also, as you can see, there's fantastic WR value in the second-fourth rounds, so putting off your second RB or QB for a stud WR in the third is probably a smart play, since the 2nd and 3rd tier RBs/QBs are a pretty mixed bag this year, IMO.

I have also kept stats for the last 5 years of our 2QB league. 6 pt per td and 1 pt ppr. I will just post my 5 year averages since my stats essentially confirm Cajun's. Rd RB........QB........WR 1 8.2........1.6.......0.22 14.6.......2.8......2.63 16.8.......6.........74 19.4.......8.4......11.25 21.2.......11.......15.6

 

[shader]

I have done 2 QB leagues for about 5 years now.

In honesty, you can't really say what your league will do, especially if it's the first year.

It really didn't change things too much in the early rounds for us. Our drafts remained RB and stud WR focused the first two rounds.

However, usually someone can take a huge gamble and get a Brady/Manning combo at the end of the 1st/start of the 2nd. That's a big risk, but you'll blow the other owners out of the water from the QB spot.

Anyway, use your best judgment and draft the best value. If you have an early pick in the first, don't blow it on a QB, get a top RB. Conversely if your league goes crazy and starts taking QB's all throughout the first round, don't jump on the bandwagon and get the 6th best QB. Grab a top RB. It's all about best value, but you can't go into a new format with a set strategy, because you have no idea how the rest of your league will react.

Have a couple different scenarios, play it out a few different ways and be as prepared as possible.